Rattling Stabilizer - Is GREASE the ONLY fix? Try this instead! Epsi, Holee, Band-aid Wrap!

Welcome to Keybored! Today, we're going to fix a Rattling Stabilizer! We're not going to load it up with Grease, but using an alternative method such as the Epsi, Holee and even the Band-Aid Wrap mod!
NOTE: I ended up taking down the original and uploading a new version! I stated that Holee mod was similar to the Epsi and just skipped over the tutorial... but they really aren't the same... so I added in footage for the Holee to do it justice! Also, added in the credits to the originators in the video itself :)
Over the course to time, the one keyboard mod that was always a pain to me was getting the stabilizer done correctly. Once done correct, it was a thing of beauty, but when not, it was a rattling mess.
Typically, us in the keyboard world take bunch of Krytox or Permatex dielectric grease, and load up the stem insides to prevent the stem from rattling inside it. This might work for a while, but requires regular maintenance to have it function right, and more often times than not, end up with a sticky, messy goop on your keyboard.
So, try something different, and actually better!
Full disclaimer, I am not the originator of these mods. See below for credits to the originators!
Epsi - Credit to Epsilon
• Guide and Explanation ...
Holee - Credit to Tet
• Holee bandaid stab mod...
Timeline
Stock Stabilizer Sound Test - 2:20
Epsi-Mod Tutorial - 2:45
Epsi-Mod Sound Test - 10:19
Holee-Mod Tutorial - 11:12
Holee-Mod Sound Test - 14:31
Command Mod Sound Test - 15:15
Bar End Wrap Mod Tutorial - 15:52
Bar End Wrap Mod Sound Test - 17:40
Conclusion - 18:18
Keyboard in the video
KBDFANS D65 - E-White / Brass Plate
Durock POM Switches - Lubed Krytox 205G0
Durock V2 Stabilizers - Holee Mod
GMK Hennessey Keycaps with Yellow Accents
Links to products used in video
Durock V2 Stabilizers
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Tweezers
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Prong Tool / Holder
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Krytox Lube
cannonkeys.com...
Shot on Sony A7 III + Sony FE35mm F1.8 and Fifine Condenser Mic
Sony A7 III
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Sony FE35mm F1.8
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Fifine Condenser Mic
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A Quick Disclaimer - The Amazon links I have provided are affiliate links that generate a small commission to support this channel. It helps me buy more stuff to create content if you shop through those links at no cost to you! Thanks for the support! :)

[@Keybored]

Hi Everyone! I had to re-upload this tutorial to provide some more detail as well as provide credits! Hope V2 is better!

[@weplaydrunkyeah8772]

oooh! thanks for clarifying. Holee-mod looks like it will last longer however lower half has no band-aid? hybrid holee and epsi perhaps?

[@AwsBadr]

I thought this was the other video mentioned in the end 🙃

[@zeonic_keys6375]

Very cool of you, tbh!

[@yowazzupboy]

Cant get the spacebar to be straight ugh!!

[@mattpom9693]

love it love it

[@JaeyouPark]

Reuploading to provide more detail and proper credit to other creators. Now that’s a reupload I’m happy to watch again 💛

[@Keybored]

Thanks Jaeyou! I appreciate the sentiment and support... I should have done it from the start to avoid the re-upload... :( lesson learned for next time!

[@krytox993]

@@Keybored out of all of this, which one is your favourite?

[@thewafen763]

Why do the smallest creators always have the best content? you deserve way more subs.

[@ninjabieber7695]

Bc they care about getting new people to watch their vids more than the amount of views a clickbait title can get

[@Keybored]

Thank you for the comments Thewafen! I really appreciate it!

[@alemdevp2048]

@@ninjabieber7695 true

[@ploaiepluvo933]

Because thry haven't used up their creativity yet

[@pilipinongdugo]

@@ninjabieber7695 AMEN!

[@obanr]

For holee mod, to make it a little less painful, stick one end of the tweezer through the stem and then apply the bandaid to it. It’s easier to pull it through the stem rather than pushing it through.

[@Keybored]

That's a great idea! Def will try that out in the future!

[@techalex1992]

stock keychron stabs sound like this hahahaha

[@frnono]

@@techalex1992 no

[@EnglandPJ]

2:17 - Stock sound test 2:45 - Epsi Mod 10:20 - Epsi Mod Sound Test 11:11 - Holee Mod 14:30 - Holee Mod Sound Test 15:10 - Command Strip Sound Test 15:50 - Bar End Wrap 17:40 - Bar End Wrap Sound Test 18:20 - Final Thoughts Hope this helps :D

[@Keybored]

Thank you England PJ! I appreciate it!

[@hazelsyoutube]

@@Keybored You better have typed with this keyboard.

[@Lilyium]

Yes, this is exactly what everyone needs! 🖤

[@jirattikans]

Thanks for the time stamp!

[@ilikecheesejgvugv]

thx man

[@KarnakOvy8]

The first brand that will factory cover the inside of stab stems with something similar to epsi-mod will make a ton of $ !

[@Keybored]

I was thinking the same! With a little silicone foot inside the stem itself :)

[@KarnakOvy8]

@@Keybored I'd buy a pallet

[@crushfire2004]

@@KarnakOvy8 yet not a single company do the right thing about prelube switch in the eyes of enthusiast

[@kokumosu]

@@crushfire2004 "Stabilizers are pre-lubed" What do you mean. you literally dipped the tip of the wire in then spread it. its not even 1 micron thick

[@crushfire2004]

@@kokumosu not sure, but seems you tagged me wrong :)

[@leem0401]

Thanks for spending time to test out various methods and showing us how to do it in such detail! I'm definitely going to refer back to this video when I'm building a new keyboard! Learning so much from this channel.

[@Keybored]

No problem Matt! I hope the content is helpful and the information can make your next build even better!

[@aghostofthepast]

Just did holee mod on a £30 board with terrible stabs. Through a lot of pain (no tweaser) I got it working. It makes my space bar actually bearable! Didn't do it well but it's already such an improvement.

[@Keybored]

Yup these mods work so well! When I feel a bit lazy but need to improve the stab, I really have been enjoying the bar end wrap. You don't have to go crazy with cleaning the stem and pushing a tiny bandaid through the hole :)

[@ultra4372]

For the 4:15 epsi mod, if you do this without dielectric grease, the foam will wear down and the tape that is left will start making a squeaking noise. The wear down time is also very short considering it started squeaking in about a day

[@Keybored]

Great advice! I ended up using Krytox 205 for everything!

[@solsonjp]

I had almost gave up on my spacebar. It had a ticking that I just couldnt get rid of. It was driving me insane. I had tried, clipping, greasing, wire balancing, etc. And the holee mod finally did the trick. thank you so so much. youve earned a loyal subscriber

[@Keybored]

Thank you so much for the sub Soistice Jp! I really appreciate it, and I'm glad to hear that one of the mods helped out! I haven't been able to find enough to pump out as much videos as possible, but I do have some additional helpful hints and tips I hope I can share with you in the future!

[@solsonjp]

@@Keybored you vids are really high quality and I cant wait to watch more! keep pumping out that content!!

[@roopalvegad3177]

this exact feeling. captured so perfectly. the spacebar ugh.

[@boom506]

One other method I've found to work is if you wrap the band aid cutout to the wire itself if you don't have translucent stab housings, or you lubed the housing beforehand and the band aid won't stick, even after cleaning. The only thing you gotta watch out for is when you insert the wire back to the housing is to slide it gently so as to avoid peeling off the band aid off of the wire. Also, don't overdo it with the lubing since this could strip the band aid as well. If you put small or moderate amount of it on the wire, the band aid won't fall off and it will dampen the sound and ease the rattle. Furthermore, make sure that you don't put too much of the band aid as it may become too thick, so the amount has to be enough to cover the wire a single time, no more, no less if you don't want to impede the movement of the stabilizer.

[@hwt9075]

Cool that the bar end mod gave it a slightly different sound signature

[@Keybored]

All these different mods yield such unique results! It's an interesting hobby indeed!

[@eliasvaly2273]

I have tried the Epsi mod now on some leftover durock stabs, and it works super good! One IMPORTANT thing is that the 2.5 mm pad can't be sticking out of the stab. If it does it is going to interfere with the stab and make a bad bump.

[@Keybored]

Hi Elias! Glad it worked out! You are very correct! If it's sticking out, it'll get snagged on the housing :) will need to adjust the length lite bit depending on the different stabs!

[@pedrocaricchio]

That's a really thorough comparison! The tutorial turned out great, I really appreciate in-depth content like this.

[@Keybored]

Glad it was helpful!

[@jonathansallows836]

Uses my exact PCB and screw-in stabs as an example. This is fate.

[@Keybored]

:) funny how things work out

[@toecurlersupreme]

bandaid wrap is my go to when i really dont feel like soaking and scrubbing inserts clean with dish soap for 30 minutes, only to put the bandaids in them to find out they wont stick

[@Keybored]

Yup! It's so much easier!

[@aplelde]

omg finally someone who has popular stabilizers, and actually fixes a problem without just saying "add more lube"

[@MewoFPV]

THANK YOU SO MUCH! I have been dealing with the annoying tapping rattle for ages and have asked around on forums but never found a good solution. Did the Holee mod and my keyboard sounds AMAAAAZING now! Fantastic video

[@Keybored]

:) I'm so glad it worked out!

[@abdulalsherif8211]

I loved the Bar-End method dude!

[@Keybored]

It takes a few tries to get the thickness perfect, but I feel like once you do, it'll be the longest lasting one. Once I had the bandaid on there, it was a huge pain to rip it off, since it was wound so tight around it :)

[@MaxC_1]

@@Keybored I personally do the bar end method and then wrap it with some teflon tape/plumber's tape and then a thick layer of grease. Works great for me and the teflon works surprisingly well.

[@QuickE23]

@@Keybored if u use medical tape or cloth bandaid wraping it once will make a perfect fit

[@brocky]

Stock spacebar: 2:30 Epsi mod spacebar: 10:29 Holee mod spacebar: 14:43 Bar end wrap spacebar: 17:49

[@csikenpoxgaming5413]

Holee mod is the best

[@wi3476]

Thanks for that. Your links go DIRECTLY to the parts we want to hear, not to the delicate tapping. Allows immediate back-and-forth comparison of all four sounds! 👍

[@DudeMcGuybro]

Woah, bro, are we cousins?

[@brocky]

@@DudeMcGuybro bro lol

[@theodorosanastasioy8846]

Meticulous work, thanks for your help. Apart from lubing, I applied the band aid wrap using simple scotch tape in Costar stabs which are stubborn like ticking forever and the results are promising. I wonder why such mods are not pre applied by manufacturers or vendors. It would save a lot of time for end users while it's much easier for them in a lab equipped with tools than for home users. To be honest, the stabs' wires should be sold coated with silicone, tape or similar. That would be an important step forward.

[@oskarwittje8348]

Honestly I think you deserve many more subscribers than you have. Your quality is really really good and you have interesting and helpful content. Just keep doing what you're doing and you'll be famous!

[@Keybored]

Thank you so much Oskar! I really appreciate it! I'll keep working at it!

[@oskarwittje8348]

@@Keybored I'll be taking a look at your progress later on !

[@fskate2]

One mod I've found that works wonders is applying micropore tan surgical tape on the ends of the stabilizer, like the band-aid mod here. All I do is apply a thin sheet of it, so it only covers the top of the bar. It has the perfect thickness for all of the stabs I've used. Alternatively, you could wrap the entire end - that was overkill for me, it made the stabs sluggish

[@phucth91]

Wdym the end of the stabilizer? You mean the end of the wire? Top of the bar? Like 2mm, 3mm?

[@thatUtsavRatti]

You always make it look so easy, Scott. Nicely done!

[@Tasty_sand]

Did a Holee mod on the stock stabs of my Akko 3068, but I used duct tape instead since that is what I have available. It is a way better method than overlubing the stem slots. You don't have to trial and error with the amount of lube to eliminate rattle. It just works!

[@Keybored]

You are right! The mod just gets very consistently good results! Glad it worked out for you!

[@fitchyyboi]

God this channel is criminally underrated

[@Keybored]

Thank you so much Andrew!

[@DefinitelyNotZixie]

Dude, I did the Band-aid wrap for now because I just ordered lube but it worked like magic, rattle is gone just like that. But I'll still be doing the Holee method once my Krytox arrives. This video really needs to get more views. Cheers mate!

[@Keybored]

Cheers! Glad it worked out!

[@siegekeebs]

In the future, when you're doing comparisons like this, if you can compile the sound tests at the end with quick swaps between them it makes it much easier for the viewer to make a decision about the sound.

[@Keybored]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@Liza.Wharton]

I think the issue with these methods is longevity. The metal bar is constantly in contact with the band-aid/fabric. Which means friction, fraying resulting in a hole. The fabric pads are very, very thin and aren't gonna last very long compared to lube, which you can just apply them when it dries out.

[@Keybored]

I agree with you xoox! I think for longevity, the bar end wrap will last longer

[@tobymarol7329]

@@Keybored it might be too thick, but have you considered a bit of thin heatshrink tube on the bar ends?

[@Liza.Wharton]

@@tobymarol7329 rama suggested that in one of their tutorials, but it fails miserably for a lot of people

[@oscarng3716]

Thanks a ton I spent months trying to fix the owl lab stabs that come with the QK65 with the holee mod not really working for me (too mush and reduced travel), then I discovered your vid covering the epsi mod that fixed the travel feel and rattle.

[@momo.ru-kun]

With my keyboard, I just used a drop of thick silicone shock oil that are commonly used on action figure joints, didn't have to do any hacks, no bandaids, etc. It made it completely silent, with zero rattle, and it only took like 5 seconds to drop and clean it. Silicone shock oil is commonly used for action figures for the squeking and overly tight joints, and because it is thick and isn't messy, it stays in place and the more friction it had, the more effective it becomes.

[@rann2300]

I tried Holee mod on my cheap a$$ keyboard, thought it won't change much, but boy.. I was so wrong, the rattle now completely gone just like in the vid. thx so much for the tutorial!

[@Keybored]

I'm glad it worked out great! :)

[@nikushanamgaladze4]

most underrated creator no cap

[@Keybored]

:) Thank you so much! I really appreciate the support!

[@sky2934]

This is great just in time for tuning stabs for my new builds. I was very annoyed with my Tofu since I've taken it apart and lubed and tuned it so many times but the space bar still ends up a bit rattly on one side.

[@zeonic_keys6375]

Spacebars are truly the most unruly and annoying part of any build!

[@Keybored]

Yup! It's always the right side for me for some reason...

[@TomTomDam]

@@Keybored Haha, for me it's the left!

[@sky2934]

@@Keybored Holee mod tutorial worked like a charm on my GMMK Pro Goat Stabs! Now to tune that rattly Tofu. Thanks again!

[@Keybored]

@@sky2934 Hi sky2934! That's great it worked out! I have 4 GMMK Pros torn apart in front of my right now as I type this :) I'll have a video out this week covering the GMMK Pro and some of the things I have tried to improve the feel and sound. This is an interesting keyboard...

[@Legchopper]

This is by far the best how-to keyboard stab video on KZbin!

[@Keybored]

Thank you Legchopper! I appreciate the comment! :)

[@Karknakkers]

Really appreciate this! Best video i have found on the Holee mod, so definitely trying it now that i know how it works

[@Keybored]

I'm glad it was helpful! I appreciate the comments!

[@DancinStyles]

great tricks. It's possible to improve even more in the Epsi one : you cut the whole strip from the leftover black pad, but you could leave it attached to the bigger piece and just cut slits and then only remove the black pads from them. That way you don't even have to bother with removing the 3M film from 1-2mm small pieces, you would just take the black bits, they would be the exact same size you made them here, but easier to detach grab.. faster job cleaner job ! btw I'm not really into keyboards, but this peaks my interest, made me realize my space bar is rattling (I use a cooler master mk750). if anyone have advices on how I could make it feel better, I'm all listening haha. Have a nice day

[@Keybored]

Thanks for the great advice DancinStyles! If your cooler master is soldered switch type, then without desoldering the entire thing, the easiest way to fix that rattle is by grabbing some dielectric grease, and shoving some into the stabilizer stem hole :)

[@ckchrisw]

This is quality. Thanks for doing a direct comparison of these stab mods!

[@Keybored]

You're very welcome Chris! Hope it was useful!

[@Mark-ck9yf]

same keyboard, same board, same stabs... you're a god sent... subscribed!

[@Keybored]

Thank you so much for the sub Mark! I appreciate the support!

[@alpenjon]

Really nice video - also love it when ppl give other creators credit. Subbed!

[@shadowkeys65]

Great video! I’ve been trying the holee mod for a little while and didn’t have a good video to go off of. Keep up the great work man!

[@Keybored]

Thank you so much ShadowKeys65! I appreciate the comments :) I hope the content was helpful!

[@TheCaptainJade]

Thank you so much for this video! I’m building my first keyboard and was so discouraged tonight when I tried to install my stabilizers and got some AWFUL rattle that ruined my space bar sound! Will pick up some bandages to holee mod tomorrow, and am feeling lots more confident after watching such a straightforward tutorial. Thanks again! 💖💖

[@Keybored]

I hope it works out! Make sure to really thoroughly clean the stems if they already have grease or lube in it! Otherwise the bandaid won't stick and/or will fall out very quickly!

[@PinePizza]

I modded my stabs for like 3 hours today, used multiple types even and my God. It just didn't stop with all the rattling. I even had to heat up my spacebar and straighten it a little more in the end. I am definitely done with custom keebs for a while now. It is absolutely painful every single time. I don't even get how some people online talk about keyboard modding as if it's some zen-like therapeutic thing to do. It drives me absolutely crazy every single time.

[@MikkoRantalainen]

It seems that wrapping the bar method should be the best because it adds extra filling between the bar and the sidewalls of the stem. I think optimal material would be some kind of felt but I don't know any product that would be thin enough.

[@dgstowe4360]

I would just like to say that painters tape can also be used instead of a bandaid for the holee mod. You just need to put a little bit of lube on it because of the texture

[@Keybored]

Thank you for the great suggestion!

[@SHCTeva]

Appreciate the commitment to quality on this channel, Scott! I had the notification and was busy at the time, so I missed the original, but it sounds like you've done what you thought was best!

[@Keybored]

Thank you SHCTeva! I put the video up, and it didn't feel right with some information missing and making a wrong call out. I lost the views I received on the original, but at the end of the day, I think it was worth it to make sure that I feel good about the content that I am sharing :)

[@chrysobear]

Not me tapping ever so lightly on my spacebar to trick myself into believing it doesn't rattle

[@Keybored]

:) The spacebar... always a love and hate relationship

[@nidusa1]

when you heat up heatshrink tube you can pull it to stretch it thinner 20% or more. then complete heat shrinking, this might help you fit the hit shrink into the stab housing.

[@Keybored]

That's good advice! I haven't tried that so I should look into it in the future!

[@Sojuiu]

These intros are pure gold

[@wallthemart]

Hey guys. If you're new and dont't have hotswap or a solder iron, you can just use some cotton balls and chuck it in there with a tweezer. Its the same deal, but the cotton may take some finessing to get it to stay in place You just need to get some cushioning for the wire and the stem. It's not gonna look pretty but nobody's gonna peek at your stabs. Hope i helped. I got rid of the tick noises without desoldering a single switch. My stabs were cherry plate mounts

[@Keybored]

Definitely great advice! That sounds like it'll work great in a pinch!

[@abe5156]

I've heard about this, and apparently, the cotton balls will eventually slide off with repeated use. So, it's probably just a short term solution.

[@kreebz3113]

Bro you just nailed it. I think you need to make some commission build stream and VOD on youtube. So we have experience how to build board from the first step to the final step.

[@Keybored]

Hi Jeff's! Thank you for the comments and support! I will look into making a full start to finish keyboard build in the future!

[@midnightplue]

i just finish cliping and lubing them stabs before coming across this video of yours. crap, now i wanna redo them. gonna try out the bandaid wrap mod because that seem simple enough!

[@Keybored]

:) That is the simplest one! Make sure to grab really thin bandaids!

[@Layarion]

your hands are remarkably steady

[@Keybored]

Thank you Layarion! :) I guess a lot of practice!

[@uM4Dlele]

Thanks for reuploading this, i was wondering why the holee mod wasnt shown in detail lol. Gonna build my first keyboard really soon, an xd84 and the epsi or holee mod looks promising. Saving this video for when the build day comes!:D

[@Keybored]

No problem! I just kind of skipped over it saying it's similar to epsi... But didn't feel right about that afterwards... So decided to fix it

[@benjaminfecci6138]

you know what I realized, People who have great gaming keyboards and setups on youtube get free stuff from stores. so basically rich people get expensive things for free, I'm not trying to hate on tech Keybored because I love them but sometimes I wish companies would send me free stuff lol

[@Keybored]

:) it's an interesting world we live in lol

[@rizzy6087]

they have those cuz they worked for it lol don’t cry they earned it

[@RyanKhokon]

For the holee mod with me, once I did it all my 2u stab keys sounded amazing, but instead of tick at the end due to unbalanced wires, the left side was fine and the right had a bit of rattle becasue of the unbalanced wires. For anyone still looking on this video, if you want a truley crisp sound then you would still have to wire balance. (I didnt because I suck at wire balancing)

[@anti1337speak]

Instead of the bandaid for the wrapping the wire ends, I use thin plumbers tape since if it's too thin you can always wrap more.

[@Keybored]

Hi prilosecular! Another viewer mentioned that as well! I may give the teflon tape a try in the future!

[@VideoStalker00]

How does it hold against the lube over time? I assume it performs well since it's plumbers tape! Another good idea I might have to test out!

[@sheeeb7472]

the bar end method really saved me! thank you so much.

[@Keybored]

Not a problem! Glad it worked out!

[@jiaerui1680]

I bought my first mech keyboard because of your channel, and the only thing that disappointed me were the super rattily spacebar. I did the bar-end mod and its perfect!!!!

[@Keybored]

So glad it worked out! Welcome to the hobby and the rabbit hole! Don't get sucked in too deep! :)

[@jiaerui1680]

@@Keybored i got sucked in too deep :((((((( lol just kidding i just bought a varmilo keyboard, solder iron and lube and did a few mods

[@Dinkin_Flicka]

Your content is incredible. It's nice to watch a video and not squint when looking at small intricate parts through my monitor. Your production is great! Now, my $0.02. I've never understood all of these crazy stab mods. I've always built with Durock V1/V2 and use strictly 205g0 and have never had rattle. On occasion, I'll use a syringe and inject some in trouble areas, but that's it. Any type of band aid mod always gives me a mushy feel. And holee modding leaves me wondering if there's going to be issues down the road. This Epsi mod is especially concerning due to the fact that grease will eventually get on or near that double sided tape, thus potentially causing it to shift and 'gunk' up the stab stems. I guess we'll see what happens in the coming months/years and see if these mods hold up. Just something that I've never really understood. Anyway, keep up the good work!

[@Keybored]

:) Thank you so much Phil! Yeah, with these new mods, longevity will be the big question. I guess time will tell!

[@alexp3577]

Oh, damn it, I've been trying to create timestamps because I didn't see chapters, but then I found the timestamps in the description :D

[@Keybored]

:) Thanks for helping out Alex!

[@TheCoolBea-n]

Holy mod with band aid wrap??

[@SamLoByLSH]

Very informative! Looking forward to that spacebar video!

[@Keybored]

Thank you Sam! Glad it was helpful!

[@LinhLinh-tu2br]

You can also use cooper tape instead of bandaid for the mod in the end of the video, i taped the wired with double layer of cooper and the thickness of the wired come from 1.6mm to 1.7mm and it pretty good for me though :D

[@Keybored]

I've never heard of Cooper tape, but I will look it up now!

[@LinhLinh-tu2br]

​@@Keybored i do know about that tape but i neva thinking about using it in this circumstances lol, i learned from this guy, but he used only 1 layer in his video, with 2 layer, the thickness will up to 1.7mm and it is more stable, just try out and you will see, it will be fun i think :D kzbin.info/www/bejne/sIKlqXpqibyDbtk

[@VideoStalker00]

That sounds like a good idea. Did you lube it as well? I think I want to try this mod in my future build!

[@raytsh]

Not sure if this was available when this video was released, but today, I would just use the C3 SouleMate modding kit.

[@antimeme5545]

thank you for the tutorial! I used the holee mod but with a cloth tape and it works pretty well too, now my cheap outemu spacebar doesn't sound so bad anymore

[@Keybored]

:) You're welcome! Glad it worked out!

[@Beanbean1313]

Haha I love the start! Wonderful video, by the way!

[@Keybored]

Thank you so much Binh! I'm glad the video was enjoyable!

[@abe5156]

I've been hearing people say holee has more longevity than epsi and vice versa. Regardless, I've decided that I'm gonna try both. I know it's not recommended to use dielectric or bdz for the holee mod, but what about epsi? I figure using thicker lube will have the same effect on epsi as well, but I'd like some clarification regardless. I think Epsilon doesn't lube the ends of the wires, what are your thoughts regarding that? Would you recommend lubing the ends just in case? Also, I still have no idea how to wire balance despite watching 3ildcat's videos. His videos show how to do it, but never really provide any in depth explanation on how to do it. Quite frankly, I've been wire balancing for hours and I feel like I've progressed nowhere. As always, thank you for these helpful and insightful videos.

[@Keybored]

Hi Abe! I believe the issue with both mods is that if Grease or lube gets under the bandaid or rubber, it'll start to remove it. So the recommendation is to go lighter with something like krytox to help the bar and stem move smoother, but not soo much that it is loaded in as usually to stop the rattle. The bandaid and rubber pads should help with that instead. For wire balancing, I usually take the wire and put it on a flat surface and check for movement when I press down on one side. Then I just slowly correct until it feels perfectly flat :)

[@samprasfoon06]

I've been watching so many stabilizer mod videos and I still couldn't grasp the idea of a stabilizer rattle until this video. Thank you for such an elaborated demonstration. Now that I applied the Holee mod to my stabilizers, everything is solved.

[@Keybored]

Glad it worked out! Such little tactics to improve our keyboards lol... Its an interesting hobby!

[@samprasfoon06]

@@Keybored It does...!!! LOL Again, thank you.

[@scott32801]

great looking keyboard!

[@ahsanejoyo]

Thanks so much! This vid helped my ticking stabs which were started to get on my nerves lol.

[@Keybored]

:) So glad to be of help!

[@hingekeebs]

I’m sure I’m not the only one hearing it, but the holee mod just sounds better as well. It’s not rattle, it’s just it has that thock to it.

[@Keybored]

I believe the holee mod typically produces the most consistent results!

[@hingekeebs]

@@Keybored btw what board is it?

[@Keybored]

@@hingekeebs Hi hinge! The white keyboard that you see is the KBDFans D65 keyboard

[@hingekeebs]

@@Keybored Thanks!

[@TheOdsystem]

Dude, what an excellent video! Simple and objective.

[@Keybored]

Thank you so much Odnei! I appreciate it and hope it was helpful!

[@simozonelayer]

bar-end wrap actually works quite well..

[@andfromearth]

I have been filling my stabs with so much 205g0 and it's felt like such a waste! i got some plate mount durock stabs and am going to do the holee mod on them as well. Thanks for making this video!!

[@joeschmoe296]

Can you tell me how that feels? My PCB doesn't support screw-in stabs so I will probably end up doing this, too. I plan on buying Everglide Panda stabs.

[@andfromearth]

@@joeschmoe296 after some breaking in it feels great!! Hasn’t rattled since, and doesn’t feel mushy

[@joeschmoe296]

@@andfromearth Nice, would you reccomend I do it on my GK61x? I will be ordering Everglide Pandas to replace the stock stabs. Or should I get plate mount Durocks instead? This is my first build as well

[@andfromearth]

@@joeschmoe296 tbh I’ve never used the Everglides but I have heard good things! I’d say you can’t really go wrong with Durock though if you can get your hands on them

[@joeschmoe296]

@@andfromearth Ok, and you don't need to clip plate mount stabs do you?

[@dopamine2655]

Instead of using bandaid to wrap the bars, piping teflon tape could be a good alternative. You don't have to waste bandaids and you can wrap however many layers you want.

[@bren.r]

I wonder if it will unravel easily though

[@Keybored]

Many viewers actually recommended this! Will definitely be trying it out soon!

[@kyleseo2339]

Scott, great video. This video was the introduction for me to your channel and I love the content you have and so I have subscribed. If I may have a request, I would love to know more about the different mounting styles of keyboards. I have been looking for a new board but have been overwhelmed with the different keyboards that exist and I was wondering if you could do a compare and contrast video to help explain the different types. Thanks for your awesome work - keep it up!!!

[@Keybored]

Thabk you so much for the sub Kyle! I really appreciate it! In terms of the mounting styles, I'll look into what I can do! I may have most styles to leverage, but probably missing a few less utilized and more rare mounting types. Lately, it seems like most keyboard manufacturers are going with gasket mount. That tends to provide a more dampened typing experience and sound. However, most styles can feel and sound really nice, given the right type of mod for that mount style. For example, tray mount keyboards are considered "entry" but if you saw my tofu65 video, I with thr o-ring mount mod, it turns out phenomenal. :)

[@killianfitzgeraldkippler]

Holee mod in my opinion is a life saver, I have yet to have a keyboard that has bad stabs thanks to the holee mod

[@Keybored]

Yup! I go back and forth from Holee to bar end. Holee on fresh stabs and bar-end on used ones, since it's such a pain to get all the grease out of a used stem lol.

[@kiwiasian]

For the bar end wrap, I had trouble with the spacebar being stuck, even with 1 layer only. So for my smaller housing, I only wrapped half of the wire’s area, next to where the wire bends 90 degrees.

[@Keybored]

Great advice! Yeah for the bar end method, the type of bandaid really makes a big difference!

[@lucalorenzetti9905]

Thanks for this video. I have fixed my epomaker sk64s easily with last method, fast and simple, now sounds so good.

[@Keybored]

Yup! I have been experimenting with the bar end wrap method, and I feel it has good potential!

[@danielsilveriogil]

Bro se que posiblemente no sepas español pero me has salvado la vida con este video. compre un GK61s y la barra de espacio es un asco. trate con todo y na me dio el resultado que queria hasta que llegue a tu video. Dios el Cambio fue del Cielo a la tierra. Muchas gracias like y suscrito.

[@Keybored]

Muchas gracias por su apoyo amigo! Me alegra que el video ayudas, y yo aprecio el suscrito!

[@matik4605]

Do you have a link to the exact band-aids you used? It would be crazy if someone made a test video of the holy mod with different types/brands if they make much of a difference. Awesome video!

[@Keybored]

Hi Gags! This is it! www.amazon.com/Band-Aid-Brand-Skin-Flex-Adhesive-Bandages/dp/B075ZC6W51/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=bandaid+skin+flex&qid=1625863083&sr=8-3

[@matik4605]

Thank you!

[@mr.universe740]

I felt that intro lol

[@Keybored]

It's just too real :(

[@planarian1772]

i'm so much of a keyboard novice that i even made up a very tacky fix that i did to my keyboard. what i did was i put a shit ton of patafix / bluetack / tack all (basically like play dough, but much more dense and heavy. and is not greasy) i put so much on my backspace, enter and spacebar that i think it's too heavy for the rattle to have an effect on the keys. it's very easy. it works and my keyboard sound amazing, atleast for my newbie ears. it's enough for me i guess. but there's no such thing as enough bluetack. hope this helps.

[@Keybored]

Hey, if it works, it works!

[@alemdevp2048]

That intro is perfection

[@Keybored]

:) Thanks! I appreciate it!

[@chu732]

that film one is really smart

[@Keybored]

Thank you chu! I hope it was helpful!

[@anthonynguyen4735]

You have the best keyboard channel on KZbin. Thanks for the great content, keep it up.

[@Keybored]

Thank you Anthony! I really appreciate it! I'll keep up the grind!

[@MikkoRantalainen]

6:25 You can use old stem if you first de-grease it. Basically lots of pure enough alcohol is required so solvent the grease away.

[@rileyssofakingcool8875]

thank you so much i was just so frustrated and the bar mod worked so much

[@Keybored]

:) you're very welcome! Glad to hear it was helpful!

[@93ksj]

My man rocking the clean Hennesseys

[@Keybored]

Yup, so clean! Love it!

[@danielarroyo2952]

crystal clear. Thank you!

[@BarbellBinks]

I'm finding that holee mod works best typically, but even holee mod + xht bdz isn't saving me from some residual rattle/ticking on my mr suit spacebar. The only thing I can imagine is wire is unbalanced, so I'm going to try using the rubber wire wedge they included in the box (these are durock V2 stabs, not the owlab stabs)

[@christophersmith8028]

Another great video. Thanks for the help and ideas on different ways to achieve better sounding and feeling stabs. I know you mentioned using a waterproof bandaid for the holee mod. Do you have any idea on the longevity of the holee mod, as opposed to just using a lube or grease? Either way, great video and cheers!

[@Keybored]

Hi Christopher! I think the only worry with the holee or the epsi mod is the potential longevity of the mods. I know that epsi mod calls for no lube at all, but I feel that this makes the overall feel a bit stiff, and a tiny bit of the 205G0 did really help the movement. As long as we don't go overboard with the grease, I hope it helps to keep the adhesive intact! My feeling is that the bar end wrap with the right thickness may end up having the best long term reliability.

[@christophersmith8028]

@@Keybored gotcha man. I figure the only real way to find out is like everyone else in the hobby, and just give them a try and see what ends up best over time, and for me personally. I dig the insight and tips to make the process that much easier. Waiting on my tofu65 to get here towards the end of the week, so I’ll make sure and try to get back with you on how the build came out. Cheers, and thanks again!

[@S1ckbg]

I just got a brand new logitech keyboard and guess what? Yep the sound of space and shift is different -.-' It drives me crazy so ty very much for the helpful info on how to fix it

[@Keybored]

:) I'm glad it was helpful!

[@ralph17p]

If the stabs have grease on them, you can clean it off using rubbing alcohol ahead of doing the epsi mod.

[@pspspspspspspspspspspspspspsps]

One thing to do keep in mind after doing these mods and still hear rattle is acceptance lol. I feel like stabilizer tuning is either hit or miss regardless of how good you tune each and every stabilizer per key. Tuning stabs will drive you crazy (based on experience). I hope someone would make a stabilizer that would create little to no rattle/tick even with just lube alone.

[@Keybored]

Stabilizers are part art and science lol. I heard the Staebies ones are amazing and require no tuning at all!

[@m4nc1n1]

2:25 Ghost bar is all you need!

[@drakegostream]

Thank you for the video! What about that spacebar video tho? Right now I'm struggling with really loud spacebar. It has that loud, boomy sound on bottom out, which is considerably louder than all other keys. The problem goes away if using silent red switch, but I hate that dead, mushy feeling on keypress with it. I've been experimenting with putting different foams in the spacebar, but even with vibro-isolating material it doesn't really fix it, so I think this loud sound is combination of both keycap (thick ASA PBT doesn't help too), switch and keyboard case vibrations. And may be I need to vibro-isolate the bottom case better. Anyways, hopefully you'll release that video soon!

[@abusivetelevisioncool8305]

I had a heart attack after I saw your right index finger

[@Keybored]

Haha, yeah I hurt the finger some time ago and it's been healing... All the switch housing opening doesn't help it to heal though...