00:00 - Intro 02:19 - Meet Gretchen Ronnevik 04:58 - Is our goal seeing Jesus? Or self-improvement? 07:14 - Gretchen's anger and God's response 8:59 - "I was trying to fix my heart for Him instead of giving Him my broken heart..." 09:57 - Gretchen on "the dark years" 13:25 - "Don't worry, God. I'm getting better." 15:28 - "Satan is the essence of self-righteousness in all of its fury." 17:42 - The toughest chapter for Gretchen to write 22:17 - The time Gretchen's football player / farmer husband did arts and crafts for Sunday School 30:04 - What ARE spiritual disciplines and how do they work? 36:22 - Gretchen previews her NEXT book... 37:38 - Steve's closing thoughts 40:14 - Next week's guest is...