Brad Wilcox: What we get WRONG about grace & ordinances

[@kheori]

I stuck it out to the end. I would say that every Latter-day Saint needs to hear this message.

[@SavedNDForgiven]

YES DEFINITELY 🎉🎉🎉

[@unholywarrior9007]

Revelation 20 12 kjv and I saw the dead small and great stand before God and the books were opened and another book was opened wich is the book of life and the dead were judged out of those things wich were written in the books according to their WORKS.... not according to their WORKS... Revelation 22 12 kjv for behold I come quickly and my reward is with me to give every man according to their WORKS.... I got more if you like

[@barryburton5885]

​@@unholywarrior9007That was a bit confusing...

[@unholywarrior9007]

@barryburton5885 well i had to type it not paste

[@chapmanchaps]

@@unholywarrior9007 I believe this whole conversation didn’t abandon the importance of works, but clarified the WHY we do good works. When we are in a relationship with Christ, we must show it with our heart, mind and body, in all we think and do. It is the same as the marriage comparison. When we are in a loving covenant relationship, it changes how we act and who we become.

[@josephspratling3511]

I hope to meet this man one day! I served in his mission but I arrived right after he left Chile as mission President. I heard all about him from the members and missionaries who loved him. I also found out recently his Dad is one the Elders who taught and baptized my Grandma in Tahiti when she was a teenager!

[@patriciadumont7059]

That is fantastic! I hope you reach out to him so you can meet

[@SavedNDForgiven]

He's awesome.. praise the Lord for men who press forward in and for Truth!

[@FaithofAbinadi]

“We are learning heaven, not earning heaven.” Brad is great!

[@michaellocke628]

Then why if you don't do the ordinance you don't get the level up??

[@FaithofAbinadi]

@ We do ordinances because God has asked us to.

[@Don-JDominicCauilan]

@@michaellocke628 what level up?

[@reppi8742]

@@Don-JDominicCauilancelestial.

[@FaithofAbinadi]

@ Nobody is forcing you. We believe in a relationship with our Savior which includes ordinances. Our daily lives should show that we want to be His disciples. What sort of life do you live?

[@jackwhitaker2207]

I have always loved Brother Wilcox. When I was on my mission in Mongolia, I was going through some tough trials. I kept slipping up and feeling guilty. I came across his talk “His Grace is Sufficient” and it gave me hope. About a month later, he came to my mission and did a special meeting with all the missionaries. After the meeting, he shook everyone’s hand, except for me. He gave me a large hug like he knew how much he meant to me. I will always love his words and his spirit.

[@jb512]

I never took “after all we can do” to mean a perfect effort. As imperfect people, the best we can do will be imperfect. The best you can do means you never gave up.

[@chapmanchaps]

Same. It never felt discouraging, but rather an encouragement to not give up.

[@perryewell5395]

Still, it is not our effort that saves us - at all. It is Christ. We just have to accept it and allow Him to change us.

[@MarioMaster305]

@@perryewell5395 celestial does take some effort . Salvation does not take as much effort . That goes to all. Exaltation has high requirements like it or not . All are resurrected . That’s salvation . But all are not resurrected in the same degree of glory in their bodies either . Surely you understand that . The other two degrees of glory do not even require baptism . We are thinking celestial. Looking to exaltation not just salvation .

[@georgemataele9271]

The effort and the works is ALLOWING Jesus to take over. Giving Him PERMISSION to be our Savior. The main difference between the righteous and the wicked is that the righteous ALLOW Jesus to change our poopy diapers of sin. The unrighteous go around w diaper rashes and infections of the soul(story of my life 😂) The work and the effort is LETTING Him craft and shape our lives for HIS glory and for OUR best benefit #MortalityWorks

[@mrbrian87]

Also I’d add “all we can do do” does require us to do something. It requires us to accept it.

[@crabtreecreates]

Grace gives us space. Space to learn, to grow, to become. Christ’s Grace-his invitation to LOVE him by being WILLING to keep his commandments-gives us a firm spiritual, psychological, emotional, and physical foundation upon which we can build our lives. We don’t build our lives and character to earn our way to heaven. We build our lives and character to show appreciation for His matchless gift of Grace-to show our love for him. And living in his grace means we allow him to help us build. Also, I loved the articulation of the difference in the preposition “after” to specify separation, rather than time. An understanding and acceptance of his grace transforms our relationship with God. Thank you for the interview!

[@BillPowers-qy8bp]

What a great discussion. I have suffered enough from mental issues like panics attacks, and depression and this helps me know that God truly loves me and can heal me through his grace because of Jesus and his Atonement. I appreciate your words dear brothers.

[@kyles.9653]

Beautifully said! His BYU address in 2011 has propelled my spiritual understanding of Grace. One key factor I have truly come to know is that we have covenants to help us continually receive heavenly experiences as we deepen our relationship. We are ALL saved by Grace saved..from a physical and spiritual death. When we stand before our Father in Heaven, despite our imperfections, we will either feel comfortable in his presence or we won’t. The 3 degrees of glory are just that, GLORY! It will be where we feel the most comfortable in His glory.

[@seekeroftruth3656]

God bless Brad Wilcox! Your explanation of grace and works has been blessing my life for all these years now! Your further teaching today is further evidence of this most important gift the Savior proffers us! I am enlivened to continue on in trying to become a daughter who holds on to the promise of eternal life! ❤

[@joeshawcroft7121]

I love Brother Wilcox. He has meant so much to me in my walk with Christ.

[@CONDACOCLIPS]

Read some papal encyclicals too...for real depth....

[@Nvrbakdwn2009]

14:31 "I will be loyal, even when I fall." I will NOT give up. Love that quote from Brother Wilcox. That hit me hard.

[@itsgoodforthesoul9749]

Your comment made me weep and thr quote hit me even harder than when I first heard it. Thanks for sharing ❤

[@Nvrbakdwn2009]

@itsgoodforthesoul9749 of course! Thank you for saying that. That made my day.

[@joshua.snyder]

The only failure that has any bearing on someone claiming to be Christian, is to reject Jesus. Watching Mormons constantly worry about being in or out of salvation is sad and totally unwarranted.

[@timalger8496]

Thank you for talking about the temple here and in general conference Brother Wilcox! It makes sense that we want to hold on to Christ tighter and closer just like the Iron Rod. Covenants are not transactional but transformational. A covenant relationship is more intimate than any personal relationship we can form and more binding than any legal contract we can enter into.

[@itsgoodforthesoul9749]

Beautiful comments ❤

[@harmonillustration]

I like to think about Faith and Works like this: Ask a married person: Does your spouse love you? Hopefully they say yes. haha Then ask: How do you know that they love you? They'll proceed to give you all of these examples like, they kiss me, they hug me, they do the dishes, they keep the house clean, they buy me things, and all the other parts of the 5 Love Languages, right? They just gave a list of things that they DO, right? Well, those are works. Their love for their spouse isn't some separate, nebulous thing apart from what they do. They're the SAME. Their love IS what they do. Their love IS their actions; their works. If you say that you love your spouse, but then completely ignore them in every way, then do you actually love your spouse? Love without works is dead. Now, just replace "Love" with "Faith" and you'll understand.

[@davidfrey5654]

An excellent way to look at faith and works. Thank you for sharing that with us.

[@mrbrian87]

Agreed. I think God’s greatest gift is children and families because it gives us a perfect example of how He feels towards us. We would give our kids anything. Also we have to be fair with the kids and merciful. If we have 4 kids and some are disobedient and others are obedient we have to treat them differently to show justice and fairness even though we love them. We also give them a way to make it right… time out, or apologize, etc etc. God’s gift of families wasn’t just to experience making a family, but it was a witness to us on earth to help understand how God sees us, and how he balances justice and mercy.

[@ventureswild1228]

I can’t believe I’ve never heard that analogy. It’s great. Love without works is not love. Faith without works is not faith. Incredible. Thank you.

[@harmonillustration]

@@ventureswild1228 - No, thank YOU! "Love without works is not love. Faith without works is not faith." That was AWESOME! Those two sentences summed it all up perfectly!

[@LisaPFrampton]

My only issue with this is that there are many who CANNOT DO things to show love for someone. Handicapped/disabled people, the elderly that are too sick to do anything for us much less themselves, our pets, and so on. We CAN feel deep love for someone because of what *they do for us*. Because of *who they are*. We're arrogant to believe we do enough FOR God in order to be enough for Him to love us! He l loves us no matter what we can do or cannot do or will not do! We EARN blessings by our making and keeping Covenants with Him, but we do not need to do this for Him to love us, or what about those who cannot do this? Does He not love children, or the severely disabled or sick or cannot get to a temple because of a myriad of reasons? We are shallow mortal beings who measure the level of the love of others by how much, how frequently, how well they do things for us, and we sadly believe we have to DO things to prove our love to God and others by how much we can DO for them.

[@ceecee-differentinhappyway6228]

His Grace is Sufficient is my favourite talk - just beautiful. ❤

[@dotmother]

I not only stuck it out - I listened to it again, stopping and starting it to take notes! Thank you!!!

[@jmhatutube]

I absolutely love Bro. Wilcox. I met him when he came to a woman's stake event I was tasked to manage the A/V for and he is simply beyond description. He's so kind and loving and full of the spirit that it is beyond my ability to describe. I would love to sit down with him so I could pick his brain a bit. I used to work at BYU but don't anymore and never took advantage of going to his office to chat, I wish I had. His talk on "His Grace is Sufficient" completely turned around my understanding of grace, and for that I'm grateful. This interview helped even more, for which I'm also thankful.

[@confusedwhynot]

Without Christ I can do nothing. His Atonement, grace, and mercy helps me know him and be like him. He is my Rock and through him I can be forgiven and be exalted.

[@naturefleur2062]

Amen ❤

[@natedawg2020]

The scholarship analogy for grace is wonderful

[@pvtpaulafmj]

I love Bro Wilcox. He's just so genuine and you can really tell, he's all in about what he's saying.

[@11of13]

I am a charismatic, evangelical, born again member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Thank you for your explanation of grace and ordinances. I finally understand better what “proffer” means. It is only through Messiah that we have any hope.

[@reppi8742]

Hewlet?

[@11of13]

@@reppi8742 it’s where I got the idea and I used it while on a trip the past spring to the UK. That was a very interesting conversation with a believer. I used Old and New Testament verses with some D&C thrown in.

[@MrSeanVideos]

So utterly profound and I am only like a third of the way through. I think I really needed to hear this. It popped up on my suggested videos right at the time when we are studying the sacrament and the atonement in my institute class. I keep going back over each word that is said and it has opened my mind to all of it.

[@anichols2760]

I love this. Thank you Brad so much for teaching the doctrine of grace so beautifully. Unfortunately, on occasion, there are a few bishops who treat mistakes as rebellion and treat the congregant harshly. And seem to never apologize. And the effect can send a congregant into further isolation, sin, and despair. Concerning his leaders, the Lord said many are called but few are chosen. I wish it was said that many were called but most are chosen. It is essential that bishops and leaders (as the Lords servants) seek the will of the Lord in their callings so that they do it by the Spirit in a Christ-like way. Not doing so can prove destructive to the faith of the vulnerable who come to confess freely, having been moved upon by the Lord to do so. And then find that their repentance experience was painful and harsh instead of joyful and full of love. If the confession to a leader is a negative experience then those seeking forgiveness are inadvertently taught to hide, not confess, and not work through weakness because if they do then they may feel it will not be a safe environment and possibly lose faith in the repentance process. But im optimistic most who work through repentance are treated well and feel the atonement to be a positive doctrine as they work through the repentance process in their lives. Repentance is suppose to be merciful and joyful when we realize the Lords patience with us. Then we can feel that grace that he so fully proffers us. I love Christs Church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

[@tonimartinowen]

2 Nephi 25:23 The phrase “after all we can do” when used in the early 1800’s meant “despite all we can do,” so despite all we can do, it is by the grace of God that we are saved.

[@keystonelds]

Agreed! Dan McLellan published a great paper on this through BYU.

[@sterlingsainsbury83]

The phrase you mention is contained in the new temple ceremony and is not altered to reflect the alleged 19th century interpretation. We try too hard to be Protestants at times.

[@CuriousThinker1776]

All prophets and leaders have not taught Elder Wilcox's new interpretation. Just listen to President Kimball. Read The Miracle of Forgiveness. It was always after all we can do, not this new in spite of. They are trying to soften it and make it sound like the church doesn't teach what it has always taught.

[@ryansmith6610]

Yes but what is the 600 bc context of "after all we can do"?

[@Melissa_ann972]

@@CuriousThinker1776 We have been told many times that this is a continuing restoration. All the laws that God gave the Israelites who were traveling to the promised land were true and faithful, but Jesus came and brought more full interpretations of what those laws meant. After all we can do could very easily mean both of those things.

[@MCook013]

I love Brad Wilcox . He is my favorite . I love his love for the youth !

[@chriscrabtree1544]

Thanks!

[@itsgoodforthesoul9749]

An A+ for the teacher!!! And the show host! This was wonderful! Best A+ I have had in a long time! (I do need to listen to this several times tho because I had a different understanding and had been beating myself up forever till I heard Brother Wilcox first talk in Grace and it totally changed my thought process. Paradigm change. I have been keeping it in mind but this was a great deeper dive and I appreciate it so much. Not gonna lie the ole discouragement demon is sitting behind me mocking so I will be listening to this a few times to stomp that ole demon out and fix my eyes more firmly in Jesus with what I have learned here) God bless and thank you so very much! You are saving lives!

[@RJW2025]

This is the best “sermon” I’ve ever heard on grace. An answer to my prayer today. Just stumbled upon this. But I know I was let by the spirit. 🔥

[@Jade-eeee]

A thought came to my mind while listening our well loved Elder Wilcox talk about ordinances. It was the healing story of Naaman found in 2 Kings 5:10-15. The prophet Elisha gave the instruction to Naaman to bath 7 times in the Jordan river, when Naaman was expecting grand gestures and words from the prophet that would heal him instantly. Because the instructions seemed tao easy and silly to Naaman, he did not want to go bath 7 times. Fortunately, Naaman had good servants that helped him realized that if the prophet had asked him to do something harder, he would have done it. Why wouldn’t he do something so simple and symbolic? Aren’t we similar when we resist the need of obeying the simple yet profound doctrine of ordinances? Ordinances are truly a question of faith, obedience, opportunity to be taught and blessed, as to be grateful for our Savior Jesus Christ, the Savior of the World 🤍

[@oooee]

Naaman is such a great example, and brought to mind Christ's own example. Why was Christ baptized by water? Why did Christ suffer through a baptism of blood and fire? Why did He die and three days later quickened by a baptism of the Spirit arise from the tomb? Christ was obedient and endured these three very physical baptisms that He has asked that we do in similitude as ordinances, so He can at the last or seventh day, as we stand before Him in spirit, offer us all the blessings God promised, of water (resurrection salvation from physical death), blood (salvation from death of sin and hell) and Spirit (salvation from the second death through His sanctifying Spirit for those who would be transformed by Him and thus purified, can without spot enter into the presence of the Father). Born again, both body and Spirit, the dual temporal baptism and spiritual baptism required to receive the blessing of eternal life.

[@arthurjones9580]

The "after all we can do." Is a reassuring phrase for me. I know what I can do and so does God! I'm pretty imperfect and God knows it! He only expects me to do what I can do. His Grace is sufficient for me.

[@tomnoble229]

Gods grace comes as we humble ourselves and work to become like him. We cannot do it but his grace or power will change us as we change all our desires for his presence.

[@d-litefulloflife6757]

Boy do I enjoy learning more about 2 Nephi 25:23 whenever I can! Brother Wilcox here helps me realize that opponents of the church who criticize us because of this verse truly don’t understand the context at all.

[@IBNED]

All we can do is to accept His atoning sacrifice....put your trust in the ever living God....forever

[@kristaw2686]

I think a common misconception in the LDS community is that we evangelical Christians believe that because we have been forgiven, that our job is over. We (the overwhelming majority of us anyway) absolutely do not believe that. We believe that God's forgiveness and redemption transforms us into the people he wants us to be, and from that, it's our desire to obey Him and honor Him with our entire lives. It's no longer a struggle to live apart from sin, but rather our hearts are transformed and no longer desire that lifestyle of sin.

[@enochgoodfellow8972]

There is a lot of confusion out there in every group. The best thing we can do is love each other and have done with contention. The most disappointing thing for me is when our fellow Christians try to kick us out because we don't believe in the Trinitarian creeds. I think Christ will know His sheep in every group without our help.

[@kristaworth1066]

Good message I am LDS and often have thought that. Thank you for clarifying .

[@gwengold8154]

The problem is that there are so many different denominations of Christianity, and they differ on many things. It's hard to know what any particular Christian believes. Also, we get continuously bashed over the head by condemnations of our " works based" religion. It sure seems from that that any works are abominable to Christians. The Lord Jesus Christ Himself said that he or she who loved anyone more than Him was not worthy of Him. What does that mean? Not worthy of Grace? He further says, "IF you love me, keep my commandments. " In my mind, that means that it's the demonstration of love that makes the grace efficacious. Not the other way around.

[@CatchTheBuzz1]

Thanks Kristaw

[@kendarcie6613]

@@enochgoodfellow8972 Mormons are not Christians. Jesus proclaimed a simple Gospel. Jesus said to come directly and personally to Himself so that He could help you, heal you and save you eternally. Mormons proclaim a complicated false gospel by which people must first perform kooky secret temple ceremonies with tummy slitting promises, and then bow to mormon church authority instead of Christ alone. Don't forget that Joseph Smith said you had to marry multiple wives to go to the highest heaven (DC132).

[@kellyworkman2558]

I loved it when he said "a contract is transactional and a covenant is transformative". Gave me a different perspective of how important covenants are.

[@mormonismwiththemurph]

I loved Brad Wilcoxs BYU talk, I first listened to it as a missionary and thought it was so inspiring. I think this was a good discussion, I too always viewed ordinances in a checklist way and our covenants as transactional. I love focusing on the spiritual symbolism and representation of the ordinances and the covenants are about our relationship with God. Not just transactional obligations

[@bradcoumbs3590]

“Loyalty not Perfection” is a great quote. We can be loyal!

[@natedawg2020]

I really like his connotations for the word “proffer.”

[@Whatiftheresmore1314]

👍🏻👍🏻❤️☀️

[@rebeccalarson7995]

This is true. I have come to know for myself the things that he is speaking of, because the last 10 years have taught me this. We need not be afraid of God only fear the Lord in the way of recognizing his love and his goodness along with that mercy of which we don't deserve but he lovingly gives us with his grace. We receive it line upon line and we learn precept upon precept until we are perfected in him through his power which I call the Holy Ghost and that is the gift or gifts we are given at baptism. I love all that he says here, it is good!

[@davidfrey5654]

Absolutely fantastic interview. Brother Wilcox has a special and unique way to talk about the atonement and the grace of Jesus that just resonates in my heart. Thank you for this interview. This is one to listen to many times.

[@webweaver3015]

This is hands down the best interview/discussion on this topic I've ever heard. Thank you!

[@RobertSmith-id1ov]

Beautiful! I think too often we misunderstand what the word ‘saved’ really means or implies. To be saved is to be preserved, or set aside, so as not to be lost. (eg., He ‘saved’ the best for last.) When we put it in that context, it’s easy to see that grace and covenants go hand in hand. We are saved, preserved by Christ because of His grace. That gives this entire conversation a whole new, beautiful meaning.

[@maxbarker1428]

I had a lesson from the spirit on this. As a scout master spending many hours a week. I fetl bad that i couldn't do more family history and service. Even temple attendance. The spirit said to me ' you are doing enough'. I only had this calling and my wife and family that were important at that time. Everything else could wait a season

[@CWReid]

Understanding what "season" we're in is key; from experience I can reiterate your point that the Holy Spirit can guide us in to & out of those seasons as well as verify for us when it's time for that transition or to answer what season we're currently in--or, should be in, if we're doing what we should be doing.

[@WinchesterRC5509]

I love Brother Wilcox. His messages are among my favorite

[@prandyclarkbanawan9988]

You are incredible Brother Wilcox.

[@davidgillis950]

Thank you so much for sharing grace is such an important topic that needs to be understood better. I agree with the doctoring Brother Wilcox shared. The one thing I would say is that I believe the Latter-day Saint understanding of what evangelicals believe is shallow at best. I really liked when Brother Wilcox mentioned that both sides feel misrepresented when it comes to Grace.

[@AndersenMusicPub]

I am reminded of a portion of the intro to the Old Testament "Come Follow Me" lesson in November (Hosea)..."Israel's covenant with the Lord was meant to be so deep and meaningful that the Lord compared it to a marriage. The covenant, like a marriage, included eternal commitment, shared experiences, building a life together, exclusive loyalty, and most of all, wholehearted love." Great stuff!

[@debbiecarlisle7406]

Such an important doctrine to know, learn and understand! ❤

[@deniseclaudio7121]

I love listening to brother Wilcox for so many years. I use to buy his talks on small tape cassettes. 😊

[@natedawg2020]

What a beautiful perspective on covenants. This made me feel things

[@ClawdaddyGaming]

You got THE GOAT, Brad Wilcox

[@joshua.snyder]

The Fred Flintstone maybe.

[@RLDRemembrance]

This was such an amazing episode! Thank you for all that you do and all of my love your way!

[@stephanieargyle7328]

I love this. I so appreciate Bro. Wilcox and this channel. I shared this on Facebook and encouraged everyone to watch it

[@sunraysnrainbows]

Love this brother! This discussion has helped deepen my relationship with Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ even more. Thank you ❤

[@JimmyJBraddock]

Imagine you have a conversation with a friend that loves you and that friend lays out to you everything Jesus has done for him and you and the you have a profound realization that “after all” the least you can do is… He truly has done so much for us.

[@FlyWithTyson]

I clicked on this video so fast! These two are awesome!

[@JPShepard5]

4:00 Why did it strike a chord with Latter-day Saints? Because we don't generally define our terms with enough precision! Wicox was one of the first, in my experience, to really try to do this. Also, we have inadvertently bought into the worldly philosophy of shame, and not working hard and earning our own way is weak and weakness is shameful.

[@scottmitts6870]

Brother Wilcox has been so crucial to my testimony. Thanks for the "A"!

[@mnasella23]

It really saddens me that most Latter-day Saints get 2 Nephi 25:23 wrong. I love that Elder Wilcox clarifies it and explains it beautifully in this episode. I wish all members could understand this. It would solve alot of depression and despair that exists within the church

[@johnwgarrett1]

I love his describing the difference between contract and covenant.

[@gladheartful]

Thank you so much Brother Brad, this topic has been a huge blessing to me. I have got a clearer understanding of Grace and the Atonement of Jesus Christ now. God bless you both.

[@vintagevickie8225]

Riveting. Viewing this undeniably altered my mindset; thank you! ❤

[@Crissnikk]

We love brother Wilcox!!! He’s so awesome 😊

[@willis873]

Couldn't have had better timing!

[@Glissandola]

Such a good discussion. Yes, every Latter-day Saint should hear this, among everybody everywhere. Encouragement to listen all the way through! So good. 💚💙💚

[@ARKOFOURSAFETY]

I have been studying this verse of Scripture for the last few years. It is truly one of the most misunderstood topics in all the church. I remember someone going inactive from this verse in 2 NE 25:23. This verse was not designed to be read by itself. As I have pondered this scripture and studied all the scriptures combined I have a testimony of Elder Wilcox's interpretation. One scripture that expounds upon this beautifully is in the record of the Anti-Nephi Lehites where the king is speaking. This is what he says: Alma 24: 10 And I also thank my God, yea, my great God, that he hath granted unto us that we might repent of these things, and also that he hath forgiven us of those our many sins and murders which we have committed, and taken away the guilt from our hearts, through the merits of his Son. 11 And now behold, my brethren, since it has been all that we could do (as we were the most lost of all mankind) to repent of all our sins and the many murders which we have committed, and to get God to take them away from our hearts, for it was all we could do to repent sufficiently before God that he would take away our stain- 12 Now, my best beloved brethren, since God hath taken away our stains, and our swords have become bright, then let us stain our swords no more with the blood of our brethren.

[@Sablespartan]

This is the same connection I have made. All we can do is repent. It Christ who saves me.

[@MichaelBuhelt]

I love how these two gentlemen keep going back to the sacrament, the blessing of which is the clearest example of grace vs. works. Is it not interesting that blessing the water, we remember the blood of Christ, His eternal sacrifice by which we can be saved. Not merely a way out of sin, but the only way given to Man. There is no other way. Blessing the water there is no mentioning of law or eternity, we are saved from the second death, after this the sacrifice has worked its wonder, we are saved in Him. Blessing the bread we are reminded of His body; not His broken dead body, but His glorious exaltation. Now we hear of both eternity and the law. Grace is given by the sacrifice of Christ, exaltation and glory by us following His law becoming more like Him as we take upon ourselves His doctrine and character 🙏

[@DonBlum-pc2ju]

Need to share this with Jeff of Hello Saints

[@yellowhumpy14]

I would put this discussion right up there with his devotional “His Grace is Sufficient” in terms of impact on my understanding of the Plan of Salvation. This inspired me to do a deep study of covenants and of the etymology of the word “relationship.” Absolutely mind blowing when you consider the power of the origins of that word in the context of “covenant relationship.”

[@johnwgarrett1]

I would love to hear Brother Wilcox talk about what we are being saved from and what we are being saved for.

[@luisriquelme3044]

President Wilcox, you're the best, my love from Chile. 20 años y para siempre jamás.

[@LisaPFrampton]

My only issue with that our evidence of love is what we do for others or for God is that there are many who CANNOT DO things to show love for someone. Handicapped/disabled people, the elderly that are too sick to do anything for us much less themselves, our pets, and so on. We CAN feel deep love for someone because of what *they do for us*. Because of *who they are*. We're arrogant to believe we do enough FOR God in order to be enough for Him to love us! He l loves us no matter what we can do or cannot do or will not do! We EARN blessings by our making and keeping Covenants with Him, but we do not need to do this for Him to love us, or what about those who cannot do this? Does He not love children, or the severely disabled or sick or cannot get to a temple because of a myriad of reasons? We are shallow mortal beings who measure the level of the love of others by how much, how frequently, how well they do things for us, and we sadly believe we have to DO things to prove our love to God and others by how much we can DO for them.

[@carlosenriqueulloa]

10:45 King Lamoni answered this question in Alma 24: 11. "All we can do" is REPENT. We are forgiven on condition of repentance. And repentance means to confess and forsake sin.

[@Hettav_Blackwater]

Thank you. It is amazing how the simpleness of the way gets lost

[@Sablespartan]

This is how I have always viewed it as well.

[@mygreatestdayever]

I have been taught. I think I will never be the same. I'm seeing covenants in a new way

[@TheBlueridge5]

This was a brilliant discussion that blessed me very much! Thank you.

[@bannahhanover9673]

How simple! How beautifully explained. Thank you 😃

[@jorgemontano4969]

“Wherefore, how great the importance to make these things known (understood) unto the inhabitants of the earth” all of us member and non members! This was pretty amazing! Thank you!

[@kjeracarroll450]

This was an amazing video! So glad you had Brother Wilcox on here! Great topic we all needed to hear!

[@alexblake5743]

excellent. I watched till the end and will watch it again someday. This is one that needs to be watched again and again.

[@OlazaFamily-lq9pd]

Loved this video. Thank you for your continued efforts to educate us on deeper gospel truths. This information will continue to light the world 🌎 ❤️

[@MoreMac-gh6th]

Love this, thank you Brother Wilcox!

[@linksbardish]

thank you for the insight of loyalty vs perfection. deeply helpful to me today.

[@woodwarddlw]

Excellent. Thank you! I remember hearing him give his talk on grace originally, and it was life changing for me and so many

[@_SeeIt]

I came up with this "after all we can do" perspective before I heard any church leader say it. If someone outside of the church had never been told what that phrase means, and read the line with context, it makes the most sense. All being the good and bad, all. Brad is the only one I've heard talk about it this way.

[@frankcastle5513]

When Nephi wrote those words, "for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do." (2N25.23) He told us just before that what it is that when can do, "to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God". This is what is constantly and consistently taught in scripture. The higher law of the higher priesthood is the law of faith unto repentance. "All we can do" is exercise faith and offer a broken heart and contrite spirit. This is the promised new covenant (Deut.30; Jer.31; Ezk.11&36; Luke 24:49; 2 Cor. 3; Hebrews 9.1,8-12; etc. - these are about the new covenant and receiving a new heart). This is the Doctrine of Christ (2N30.2; 2N31.17-20; 2N32.3-6; Section 10.67-70; etc). This is “the law and the commandments of [His] Father” (3N12.19).

[@davidfrey5654]

beautifully put

[@lauraolsen9545]

All we can do = love God & our fellow beings, and keep His commandments as best we can.

[@emmaprice1282]

So cool you got one-on-one time with Brother Wilcox.

[@charlottjohnson5271]

I was so pleased when kamala said we need to expand mediocre so you could be home and taken care of. So many have paid everything they. Have to keep a love one in a home. When your out of money your told you have to take them home. My sister's and l was so blessed as we moved in with dad and then mom and experience the. Conversation she would have on the other side of the veil❤🎉

[@ivonnesmith1622]

Make this all over again but in Spanish please!! We love Bother Wilcox, excellent topic and interview.

[@aBrewster29]

Love this topic. And I love Bro Wilcox’s take on it. 13:21 On the loyalty question, this is the elephant in the room that I just feel can’t be addressed in faithful spaces today. Loyalty to Christ cannot be swapped with absolute loyalty to the brethren because He was perfect and they are not. That is not an expression of will to rebel, but just to point out that at times personal conscience is at odds with the current teachings of the Church at a point in time, and that history shows a clear evolution in many critical doctrines over time. We casually throw around the recognition that prophets make mistakes, but no one is allowed to speak publicly as to what those might be or discuss ways to engage those matters that are both faithful and genuine. It’s a serious problem.

[@charcW8850]

This is so good. I love how Brad Wilcox explains grace

[@little-miss-happy]

Love is law, law is love. If we can as believing human beings all wrap our heads around this and believe it. We can put the long held debate to rest and accept his grace, repent and have faith try to keep our covenants and welcome and depend on his mercy and love.

[@SaraD_1111]

As a Protestant it’s interesting to see that changing the verbiage of doctrine (which shouldn’t have to be done if it’s the word of God) makes such a huge difference in the meaning of grace for LDS people and more closely aligns with Protestant beliefs. It’s certainly moving in the right direction, and that’s what matters.

[@LuckyMudenge]

Thanks so much for this edifying episode. I have learnt a lot about Grace that i previously were overlooking.

[@elizabethsetlhako1062]

Wow! This is beautifully explained. Thank you!

[@pinecone7562]

This discussion is something I needed to hear. I'm trying to be as obedient as possible. As someone who's become active again, I sometimes have over thought the sacrament, and have not taken it because of feelings of unworthiness, and it's uncomfortable sometimes. In my past I've been a bit "needy" and I don't want to be so needy, so I haven't bothered my Bishop too much about it. I hope and pray that I'll be able to let the Spirit teach me, because I don't want to leave the church, or quit going because I'm not sure I understand it completely. It's obviously way better to never leave the straight narrow path, but coming back and repenting is difficult yet glorious. I hope to figure this out. I've come a very long way and I'm working on being perfectly obedient to the word of wisdom, and not spending too much time scrolling which isn't conducive to keeping the Holy Spirit. Sometimes I honestly don't know whether or not to take the sacrament, and it's making me not want to attend church. Any thoughts or insights are welcome.

[@keystonelds]

As President Nelson has taught, "The Lord loves effort." Props to you for putting forth effort. I'm glad to hear you're striving to be active again. Regarding your sacrament question, I think this would be a great question to pray about -- and don't hesitate to talk to your bishop or elders quorum/relief society president about it (not sure if you are male or female). Talking about it with people might be helpful! (It has been for me when I've had questions in the past).

[@MichelleLinares-sn8ng]

Any inclination not to come and partake of what the Savior proffers you through His atonement and the sacrament isn't coming from the Lord. He loves you and wants you there where He can bless your life. Striving...trying...that is something He delights in. Just keep going.

[@Cassaronda]

You may want to check out Faith Matters podcasts where they talk about religious scrupulosity. The phrase “perfect obedience” is not helpful because it is not attainable in this life. The ancients understood the word “perfect” to mean “whole; complete” and not our modern definition of the word.

[@pinecone7562]

​@@keystoneldsthank you! I believe that the Lord has tried to help me understand this, and I really really appreciate your comments! I love y'all!

[@pinecone7562]

​@@MichelleLinares-sn8nggreat point, thank you so much!

[@WitnessJesustheChrist]

Top 10 Episode ever!! Thank you!

[@kochese75]

Brother Wilcox spoke at a youth conference I attended in ‘91 or ‘92. Great guy

[@frederikatenhoopen6112]

Being OF the world for 40+ years I can tell you the Gospel of Jesus Christ is the gospel of Saving Grace and Joy… as we do what we can! As a member the blessings during a terrific trial cannot compare to being in a trail without the gospel! I compare those trials to 1st degree, 2 nd degree and 3 rd degree burns!!

[@SamWoolfLifeofaMilitaryWife]

I really enjoyed this. It clarified thoughts I had already had bouncing around in my head and gave me new things to think about.

[@christhelin4529]

Is there any chance of creating a transcript of this conversation? This is one of the greatest treatments of covenants and grace I've ever heard, and I'd love to come back to it often

[@LilLithps]

Always great to hear from Brad! Makes me think of some of his youth firesides I attended as a kid. I loved those