If you have a self image you are going to be hurt | J. Krishnamurti

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If you have a self image you are going to be hurt | J. Krishnamurti
Extract from the second dialogue in Ojai, 1977.
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[@omanirudh3010]

"when there is an experiencing, in that second there is no thought. Then thought comes along, says how marvelous that was. It captures it and then wants repetition"

[@iulian9072]

This man is The Most important thing that happens to me. It didn't happened, it won't happen; It's a on going Happening.

[@TG4653]

K might say go into it, it's not the speaker, it's the message. Very much agree the messages from this speaker are, what we in human form must spend all of time understanding and doing. This chaotic society, each person so needs this, the truly smart know that they do not know.

[@lynnkidd080]

"Don't theorize about it - unless you are speaking from *fact* [actuality], everything else is meaningless." 04:51

[@lynnkidd080]

"You can only go into it if you have *no* ideas about it." 02:14

[@tedwallace9828]

He got me towards the end! When we experience something we often start to cling to it. We want to cherish it, or we want or need it to continue, that's the problem. We should rather enjoy the experience in the moment, and as soon as it ends, we need to LET IT GO! As someone who has experienced detachment for a brief 1.5 year, I can say the lving in the moment and letting go of the moment is the KEY!!

[@NondualityChannel]

Centerless...living without images...and vulnerable. 🙏

[@johnbarron681]

We believe there's security in our relationships, it's all untrue because it's based on belief. The definition of belief is, concluding that you know something, that you do not know the truth of it. When you believe everything, it means you have concluded that you know,which kills the possibility of every knowing the truth. So ones experience of life will be very small, and you will only be half alive,which is most of the population, so you think your living a full life,when in reality your killing your aliveness, nothing of great joy or happiness or ecstasy or excitement will happen more then a few major moments in your life. Every single day will be exactly the same as the day before, because when we draw conclusions about life we are telling the universe, I don't want to know anymore then I already know and your life will always reflect that. If I'm honest with myself I truly do not know anything, because I realize this the wanting to know has grown within me, the universe will not denie where I put my absolute awareness on somthing,something, has to reveal what you are focused on. Try this with a tree give the same tree everyday your absolute awareness and attention for 1hour a day. You will discover there more to the material world then meets the eye.

[@magnamia]

Wow, John, what a powerful comment! Thank you! For a long time, I wanted the security of each day being the same. It is scary to NOT KNOW. But you are right..it is really such a poor message to send to the universe and to underestimate its sheer brilliance. :)

[@Rareme530]

Found a Budha in comments section 🙏

[@ZenTradeGame]

Just stop interrupting him please ! 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@devarakondajayanth0681]

He is dead

[@mofazzalhossain2944]

❤His wisdom reigns.

[@CM-do2mc]

I love the way he says find out 💙

[@williamcitan]

Omg this is such a precious gem! I don’t think (🤔 there is thought again 😊) anything deeper than this. Thank you 🙏 ❤

[@gameofthrones5655]

He is like a radical Zen Master...❤

[@Tharealsolomon]

How lucky to receive teaching from emanation of Maitreya himself

[@aravinraj9477]

I love Jiddu Krishnamurti ❤️❤️❤️

[@bhupendratomar4575]

Thank you so much for your affection and lovely expression ❤️🙏

[@omanirudh3010]

"that image which is the centre of your being, as long as the image is there, it must register. which means, conflict"

[@mrra70]

When he says you have a image,or thoughts create a image is it a mental picture? Like when someone says think of a apple and you see it in your mind ?or is the image about how we see are self ?

[@wandanevada4287]

It's fact that image is hurted. Children don't have images so they don't get hurted for psychological reasons., whoever get hurted are adults with solidified images.

[@danp6820]

Children get hurt and have images the same as anyone else .,

[@Montserrat-al-cor]

I love it so much when he begs please not to answer inmediately. At first I got tensed but now I can't stand laughing and has the opposite relief effect on me ;)

[@viveksanyal2773]

Thank you

[@omanirudh3010]

"experiencing it and then not carrying it along demands tremendous attention and attention is not possible when there is a centre which says I must attend this I must that etc"

[@raksha6057]

I never seen a human being like this human... It's really something high dimensional

[@drtiwari4407]

It is a tiresome activity for the brain to be attentive all the time especially if it is not used to it and may be that is why it makes images...image making is like knowing little bit of everything but going through nothing to solve the daily chores...K always gives a new dimension to thinking...🙏

[@bobsarfatty4673]

The best of the best for self help.

[@NITESHKUMAR-is2gr]

When you see whole structure of conflict, pain and division the image creates, the centre as 'me' becomes unimportant. The ego will submit only when there is higher understanding!

[@Himanshu_Upadhyay_]

Thank you...🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@RamKumar-ks8nu]

Great

[@omanirudh3010]

"I have an image of myself and that image does not correspond to that of an idion "

[@DS-gu4oi]

i see that those things are facts. everything starts from that observation.

[@krrankkustom9675]

Looks like psychlogists call this projection. And fixed self image would be persona in jungian terms

[@regentogrin518]

I see both perspectives as compatible. What K says as a way of escaping from oneself for fear to be (with) oneself.

[@krrankkustom9675]

@@regentogrin518 seems like there's just different wording, perspectives ain't differ much

[@malcolmnicoll1165]

Krishnamurti was the closest incarnation of the Buddha (IMHO).

[@greenbrightlightawakening252]

dear friend but this is also an image.

[@stayhappylittlemermaid]

Tough times are a blessing in disguise, it always reveals the true color of the people around us.

[@ankit_s]

Why u want to know the true colours of the other people ? Hard times reveals us how capable we can be .

[@kiwikim5163]

The Self is revealing more of the little me during these days of isolation.

[@lynnkidd080]

More importantly, what are *my* true colors in tough times? How am I showing up in the experience?

[@silverkungfu]

People just blurting out non stop let the man speak

[@radsun12]

Brain can’t give up self image with out a return. Due to its conditioning.

[@MbMb-et6sf]

When i see a child, suffers from the pain not be loved rrom his mother, i feel that pain and it has nothing to do with a self Image. But imagine it is "youre" child, this wound not stop bleeding for years oder years. You can stop every pain out of the past, out of thinking, but there is pain wo comes from outside, i see no possibility to overcome this, more learn to stay in it because to see it and to feel it means that youre heart has not closed his eyes.

[@oddcalm]

halo on fire

[@1life_Only]

Capitalism is based on self and image

[@omanirudh3010]

Why does thought make images ? security. but when thought looks into it it sees it, it finds no security

[@addapavan5200]

Helpful

[@jonathanb.6926]

Thought has no will. It’s not an individual. Thought is not looking for security, for thought is nobody, nothing, just _this_ present thought I am having while writing this stupid comment, etc.

[@nobodyreally]

The choice of this title. 🧡

[@ankit_s]

If I don't have a positive self image how can I move forward ? It's like you throw your map and compass and sailing in a vast ocean . Please anybody respond if you have same or different thought

[@juliahunsinger3070]

Realize that you are the ocean so toss away the rutter that steers you along and the boat holding you in a box of separation and even toss away the flesh (fat, skinny, dark, light) ....and see how suffering ceases. I Am That.

[@juliahunsinger3070]

The title "if you have a self image you are going to be hurt" For me my self image can shift from one thought to the next. I have a thought be it good or bad and I can dwell on it or allow it to pass. I am still moving forward. I still have to do all that is needed to survive. We can't all live in caves in the Himalayas. So we find means to keeping going. Yet at the same time I find bliss in not being placed in a box of good or bad.

[@jsivakumar]

It is only the SELF which creates fear in you that 'You will not move forward in life without positive self image'. In order to move forward in life, we need skills and definitely not the self image. If you notice, self image distract us in lot many ways from developing our skills. So, it actually limits us from moving forward.

[@Patrx999]

Hi! I understand you. The answer lies in answering the question for yourself 'Why do you need a positive image of yourself?' Once you have seen and stayed with all the reasons, you will see why it is better to stop cultivating such desires when you see the effect of all those reasons in your life and other's lives... And you will know what to do.

[@supreetb6453]

What kind of forward? You need 'positive' things when you are filled with negative things, but why one has those negative things? Or why does one need to identify something as positive or negative? This is ALL the conditioning which has been put inside us since our childhood, I actually see no point at this stage.

[@prasadboddupalli]

Is it not in the nature of life to form images about people and things ? Can we separate that from living ? If I put my hand in fire, I get burnt, and I form the image that fire hurts. Similarly, when someone abuses us consistenly and we get hurt, we form an image about that person and automatically (without conscious choice) avoid that person the next time we encounter him. Of course, it is not all that black and white. For example, we are taught the image that those wearing religious robes are holy. That is an image that has no basis, unlike the fire or abusive person examples above. I guess we need to consider each case on its own merit and not say that 'image formation must be avoided'. Even non-human life forms form images. A dog has an image of its owner. So, some image formation is what distinguishes life from inanimate forms.

[@mrra70]

When he says you have a image,or thoughts create a image is it a mental picture? Like when someone says think of a apple and you see it in your mind ?or is the image about how we see are self ?

[@addapavan5200]

Correct

[@shawnhollahan590]

An audience of monkey minds !! This is so entertaining watching him get frustrated with the interruptions.

[@goodquestion8064]

The human heart and mind

[@anjezx8361]

my friend

[@senk2352]

There's an omission in the caption. "going to *be* hurt" has been given as "going be hurt". Do correct it.

[@lipingfeng]

This is pure sanity when the world is no longer comprehensible, when we are daily bombarded with tens of thousands of images. "...this image-making I see tremendous danger in it. ... the danger is more important than anything else. like a precipice, when you see the danger of it, you move away from it. when you see a rattler, you move away from it." ~ JK We upload and download so many images every day, without realizing how dangerous, life-threatening, life-corrupting, life-destroying they are.

[@MamonMazumder809]

🙏

[@preethikrao]

🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@surindersingh-uq4vl]

When the wife says you are an idiot, then husband, without forming an image must say her one sentence :"Mind your language, it does not beseem you to talk with disgrace" Ok

[@mrra70]

When he says you have a image,or thoughts create a image is it a mental picture? Like when someone says think of a apple and you see it in your mind ?or is the image about how we see are self ?

[@edu.monstrik]

You can see that the last person didn´t get the message just by the question he asked.

[@ThePavankpotharaju]

It seems neither you did nor did I... 🤣 as our thought is creating an image that someone hasn’t got it.. isn’t so ?? 😊 it needs tremendous amount of observation to end the experience without any thought to follow..

[@o.5548]

He was hurt too

[@oceanabc5169]

I'd he still alive

[@universe25-444]

无我相 人相 众生相 寿者相

[@neerajaggarwal4689]

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[@derekkase7884]

This video holds so much truth it requires many listenings to fully touch our consciousness

[@clacicle]

So true. I’ve been listening to the podcasts and have listened to the one on sorrow numerous times. Each time I feel I understand what he says just a little bit better.

[@manmathahaldar9221]

🙏🙏🙏

[@haric9458]

If you have self image, you are going to get hurt. How not to have self image? Experience. While experiencing, give your full attention and no thoughts.

[@Rareme530]

Another fellow comes and makes a formula out of it.. one of K's dialogues

[@ninoskaramosmiguel9704]

More Easy to say then done..

[@lipingfeng]

This crystal clarity is like a healing balm. Listening to JK when you are in pain heals it, instantly. It sweeps away all the pains, hurts and pettiness. now you can breathe, and live, fully.

[@leighcecil3322]

Spot on sir.., Buddha mind... the illusion of self is desolved... beautiful mind, this is the only way we can stop all the suffering & violence wisdom & peace to all... namista...

[@cecilmadrono]

GRACIAS , GRACIAS , gracias por habrir mis ojos a la verdad la realidad gracias por compartir .❤

[@phreeizi]

Understanding freedom is rare. Therefore, freedom is rare. 😊

[@Patrx999]

I like how succint and how accurate your insight is! :)

[@omanirudh3010]

"As long as there is a centre, it is impossible Not to register"

[@omanirudh3010]

Why does thought seek permanent security ? When thought clings to an image it is the very essense of neuroticism The whole mechanism of image making, When she calls you an idiot or if she calls you marvellous person immediate response is an image. Can I listen without storing an image ?

[@Pradoceleste]

Not many people notice the tremendous energy master Krishna uses when he speaks, especially when he mentions the word "fact".

[@lukaramljak8347]

K was really one in billion.83 years old and having sharp mind and iq 300 is beyond unique.

[@sathyamurthyb9262]

Beautiful backround nature is also listening him

[@lala6967]

Yes

[@geetsehgal5649]

Beautiful background nature is also listening him

[@robertbarbaradesouza1877]

It's a pity nature can't reply to ur comment, cause it has no hand and no computer to answer , but of course it has hears to hear what KJ says, can't you see it LOL at your comment?? Come on, keep your head in the clouds but keep your feet on the ground....

[@arlodante1163]

When he said he was getting bored I burst out laughing out loud 😂 Genius!

[@siderio3712]

What do you think he meant? Maybe he gets bored of these kind of repetitive and obvious specifications.

[@Patrx999]

I wonder whether he was frustrated due to pain in his body. I know him from other talks and he is unusually quicker here. I love every bit of him! He helped me change my life. Doesn't matter how such a novice I may stay, the impact of the order I have found thanks to him in my life is immense. I had been so lost for so many years, relentlessly in search of the right images and as he says: I found more and more confusion and dependence only. Incredible how the elimination of all conflicts in the mind leads to peace and unhurt states. Peace to all!

[@mkhululiaaron722]

@ Patrick Bodó Your words >> 🧡 I wish you all the best 🧡

[@Nicolas-ll3cz]

no, he is not. Read his diary.

[@patrickbinford590]

Non-clinging! Awareness: don't create images. Live in the present. All good stuff!! Thank you, JK. He was a man who I think did get frustrated at how people were following him for YEARS, who were "clinging."

[@anilkumarhalimani3204]

Thanks for J K Official channel all your vidios are really help mankind. If anyone follow J K teachings that man will definately transform

[@lalalavera]

So i listen to this video, i don't make an image of Krishna and I don't make an image about how i took another up step,i listen i understand and I will use it.there is no me,there is just experience,if i make an idol of Krishna then i made an image of him there should be no security there should be just experience and I have to fit it in to my intuition,i hope i am right

[@abhishubrahmecha720]

this was a great video. was able to apply to my life almost immediately.

[@ramongomez8849]

🙏🏻

[@Josephus_vanDenElzen]

2:14 "You can only go into it if you have no idea about it"

[@chrishouck2863]

I can't believe how many views.. What a relief.. the dream is almost over.

[@parthapratimdas6283]

Here it is. The end of your search.

[@raoplns]

Great talk....self image is the center of all problems...

[@alifboboy3395]

Thanks for adding auto translate

[@caramason56]

Thank you 😊👍

[@omanirudh3010]

"As long as that image,.which is.the centre of your being, there is registration"

[@bikram_jha]

6:06 it's a mutual interacting exploitation 👌😅

[@bandugupta58]

When you see the whole structure of relationship, the whole of it, then the center becomes unimportant.

[@inspiringmedia3716]

I was dying when the guy kept trying to answer lol 😂

[@gameofthrones5655]

Agree totally 2 create a I- dentification play with the Mindenergetic Matrix= insane ! Thx 4 Absolute Truth= prior and beyond Mayamind and all its plays and illussions...phenemonems.

[@solomontekleab4531]

The very first day I felt my real being after I listened this life changing discourse.

[@ajaymahankar1838]

31 Aug 2021

[@sumitbhardwaj5612]

Enlightenment men don't care about honour and dishonour.

[@ralf.starke]

Of course the word "idiot" is registered. He means there is no emotional response to that registration, because the self image is not hurt when there is no self image.

[@teachersamtravels4028]

Some rather annoying audience members at the start there 🤣

[@Shunya_Advait]

🙏

[@vimalcurio]

That was Hella deep

[@raviarya1563]

Gives full attention without motives

[@johnnoughty7944]

Wish the crowd had been silent.

[@a_se_ankur]

Absolute clarity!

[@nishantparihar8434]

10:45

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