Uncommitted: How the mental health care system is failing people with serious mental illness

[@JulieAnn87]

A few years back in my town in Wisconsin, a domestic violence situation happened, and the man who was the abuser was having a violent mental health crisis and was taken to an area hospital. The woman, his wife, thought that he was going to be held for 72 hours, so she believed she had enough time to go home and get her belongings and leave to safety. They released him without even letting her know and he came home and killed her and killed himself. I blame the hospital for releasing him.

[@syzygy808]

Outstanding Doc. This topic should be front and center on a national level right now. It’s disheartening to see only 4300+ views. Deserves 4M.

[@mgibson7659]

They get billions fir calling if a hospital. But it's not. No therapist in there. It's a pridon😅

[@DaRk-rc7gf]

Oregon is the fifth most expensive state to live in in the united states. We pay huge amount of taxes to the government. They have no excuse for this at all.

[@michelleayres5608]

Mental health treatment is very expensive. In California, you can't get it unless you 1) Have money or 2) Break the law. California spends billion$ on criminal mental health. Community mental health? 72 hour hold.

[@myvoice31]

How are the police officers the first person to recognize the problem. It should be the family but the system failed them. The family probably tried and failed over and over again. Clearly it’s not working.

[@alialialeea]

god I am so torn on this. as someone who has been institutionalized against my will for 13 months (I was a minor and was forced into the troubled teen industry) I can honestly say that I would be dead if I was not committed. however this was the most traumatic experience of my life. horrible horrible things happened to us there. no one was there voluntarily and it just crushed your soul to be so powerless and dehumanized. I feel like there has to be some type of middle ground. these hospitals and institutions have the power to help but they also have the power to do so much more damage. I will suffer with complex PTSD for the rest of my life as a result of my time at that facility. I don't know what the appropriate answers are but this is truly a crisis.

[@DemureDarlings]

I’m so sorry, how are you doing and feeling now🙏🏼❤️

[@terirobinson3616]

I appreciate you for letting others know. Hopefully legislators will listen and make many many changes to better Oregon's MH system! It's unbelievable how such an important issue as MH keeps getting pushed to the back of the line.

[@alialialeea]

@@DemureDarlings I know this is a very late response but honestly life is really hard. to be fair that's nothing new but the PTSD from my experiences absolutely haunts me. I'm working really hard to overcome the hurt but it's really difficult. I appreciate your care and concern 💕

[@alialialeea]

@@terirobinson3616 absolutely agreed! the mental health systems in the country need to make massive changes! after my time at the institution I found out several of the girls I was close with had taken their own life. it is absolutely devastating to know the damage that those places can cause when they are not under proper regulations and protocols. mental health care should never make someone want to end everything more than they did before they sought help. my heart breaks for their families who were truly trying to do their best to help their kids ❤️

[@DemureDarlings]

@@alialialeea kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKC9hWtjfdZ8bJY

[@robinpowell2712]

Can't they help the homeless with the GIANT TAX THEY ARE TAKING FROM RESIDENTS AND NON RESIDENTS OF PORTLAND? Yep the City of Portland has a new tax that even non residents of Portland have to pay. The Metro Supporting Housing Services (SHS) Personal Income Tax fund. Portland will have millions to work with.

[@kahlodiego5299]

Big pharma needs lots of money. That's the bottom line.

[@OnlyOneTruth25]

When you have a physical illness it mainly effects you and possibly some close to you if it’s bad enough. When someone has a mental illness it can effect the entire society around them and their family as well. We have a HUGE disconnect with helping these people because if the mental illness is severe enough they just cannot help themselves. This is a truly societal problem that needs the utmost attention and usually it’s needed immediately. With all of the taxes we all pay, it could be used to help others in need to help our society as a whole especially those who cannot help themselves.

[@avg1712]

WHere would I find the Part 2 that discusses Rural communities?

[@dearfinesoul]

No leadership in America

[@kimchaffee5397]

Vitamin IV treatment, not straight jackets. (Niacin Flush Free and B Complex)

[@maryjohnson1890]

My friend might have vitamin deficiencies. This is why she seems to be getting worse. She was overweight so they gave her that operation in the stomach to make her eat less. I'm not sure how much nutritious food she eats. She drinks a lot of those protein shakes which she gets in a local store. How nutritious are these shakes these stores are making for her? They might be also making them high in sugar, and that's no good. And my friend has diabetes too. It's a vicious cycle. My friend goes to doctors galore. Psychologist, diabetes Dr, she has a cancer that was treated in her skull, so she goes to those drs. Is it very good for her to be getting all these brain scans? I'm not sure if any of these drs are doing her much good.

[@myvoice31]

America should be ashamed. We have failed our people. My son is one step away but people that are not close to it and won’t fight for help. We are helpless. My heart breaks for the families, I’m with you, utterly alone. 😢

[@JasonJones-br3or]

I think KC needs to don a uniform, and get down there in the trenches of Portland, and experience what it's like to be a first-responder struggling daily to help these folks; I'm curious as to what sort of 'rapport' he would create with each unfortunate soul. And housing them?... where... in a $2000.00-3000.00 Portland 'studio-loft'? I don't think there's one agency in existence there in Portland or Seattle which is brimming with resources to submit to an incredibly lengthy process to get each of these individuals on the streets, sidewalks, and parks to voluntarily commit to anything. There HAS to be a legislative action on this, as there has been for the advocacy of many, many others with disabilities; KC is a lawyer, he should know this.

[@troleslayer7221]

Its not going to be pretty but we need to bring back asylums. Seeing all these people suffering on the streets has done a number on us as a society. It desensitized us to human suffering.

[@jenniferagey8867]

I agree with you 100%. They just need to be run completely different then in the past

[@maryjohnson1890]

Definitely the people with mental illness are not being helped properly. A lot of them are out on their own and fending for themselves just taking their meds or in worst case scenerios, don't take their meds regularly. I have a friend. Actually I knew her parents and they are deceased now. Her sister is also deceased. My friend has only one living relative or so she says. One nephew, her sisters son. I know she didn't have a large family to begin with. She hasn't been able to work for years. Lost her job on account of an anger mgmt issue. She lives alone but has a few close friends besides me. Ever since her nephew got engaged recently, she has done nothing but harass and badger him about his fiance, his wedding, can she dance with him in place of his Mom at his wedding, then she talks to him about when she travels to his wedding in another state where she's going to stay and who's going to pick her up at airport. It's all a crazy mixed up kind of argument going no where. My question is why leave these people to fend for themselves? Just drug 'em up. Drugging people is not a solution. The problem with my friend is she is imaging a very close relationship with her nephew that is just not there. This young fellow grew up away from my friend and her parents in a different state. He was raised mostly by his Dad and his Dad's family. He's close with them as we would all suspect. It's not that he doesn't like her as his relative and aunt, he just doesn't know her well like he knows these other people. She thinks well, we are blood relatives and he should love me. We can't compel someone to love us. And I told her that. And she says she knows this but it hurts. It just goes round and round. After early yesterday, after her manic episode, I asked her if she had taken her med and she said she did. Who knows? But she must have because she calmed down after a while and seemed to forget about what we talked about earlier. Because I texted her hours later to ask how she was feeling now. And she told me she had a nice day. She was out all day shopping. And she wasn't out shopping, I know. I was there when she was having her episode, crying jags and all. It's very sad

[@venusnightshade]

The penduluum has swung too far. Not enforcing treatment to those who are seriously mentally ill (no matter their risk level) creates a ridiculously high and unnecessary risk to the community. Committment is NOT the only option for enforcement. There are "IOPs" -- Intense Outpatient Programs that need more funding. Bottom line, "traumatizing" those who are seriously ill with enforced treatment is a lot better than the alternative: Suicide and/or Homocide. They closed state hospitals without ensuring and FUNDING all of the services these people need to be in the community SAFELY. Their civil rights do not trump our right to continue breathing.

[@bonimessner6360]

There has to be a Federal input in all facilities regarding holds on mental health crises decisions. We can not safely in in way have private for profit own this treatment but just for the fact of money. Regulations are a absolute nessesity. Sad to say institutions that were abolished as against human treatment fell on the system and instatutions themselves. We need new Hospital and at risk places. As the facts prove without a doubt some most vunerable and in need of this system are on the streets and suffering 1000× more than humanity should accept. The entire industry is multi billion dollar a year business economy. But without humanity admitting to greed over easy targets we will lose ten of thousands of Mother's Father's,Sons Daughter's Elders and Children that deserve to live and become able to contribute to all of our society. You defunded the wrong instatutions for society for political correctness.

[@karlabritfeld7104]

They started shutting down mental hospitals decades ago and threw the patients out on the streets and they are still on the streets today, worse than ever. I lived in Portland for 27 years, worked downtown and saw the same people down there every week.

[@mgibson7659]

Then why is it

[@mgibson7659]

Vivil commitment is wrknb. No.

[@victoriahope8371]

It's never a good idea to hold people involuntarily in a mental hospital. Have them in section 8 housing or prison. Mental hospitals can keep people locked up involuntarily for weeks to years without just cause. It's easier to get out of prison or jail than mental hospitals. Prisoners/people in jail at least have a set release date. Mental hospitals should be illegal because they strip you of your rights, hold you involuntarily, you have less rights than someone who has been arrested, and the risk of harming people whether it be yourself or others (recidivism) is much higher in acute time period than people who have committed crimes. Mental hospitals/psych wards change your voluntary status to involuntarily without due notice or process to the patient. If you're in favor of mental hospitals/psych wards you better sign yourself in voluntarily and tell me what you have to say and think about mental hospitals/psych wards. See how hard it is for you to get released.

[@mgibson7659]

Dont take plea deals

[@pp-qr3fl]

If somebody doesn't want to be committed, they shouldn't be committed. Being kidnapped, drugged, and assaulted isn't going to improve anybody's wellbeing.

[@allouttabubblegum1984]

They shouldn't get free handouts either.

[@pp-qr3fl]

@@allouttabubblegum1984 handouts? my brother in christ the "mentally ill" do not get handouts lmao

[@xenasbottombitch5328]

What’s the other option jail without any mental health care or medication, hurting themselves or another ? You don’t have solutions but seem to critique the one option that can at least prevent a crisis.

[@pp-qr3fl]

@@xenasbottombitch5328 ok first off imprisoning and drugging someone because they're a "danger to themself" is wrong, people have the right to make their own choices. second, I don't have to have alternatives to say this is garbage. it simply is.

[@ModeinPDX]

@@xenasbottombitch5328 just because you are incompetent along with most of the population in Portland and have totally been conned by the medical insurance Fraud that is mental healthcare, doesn't mean you should voice your opinion.

[@mgibson7659]

You dont let them put

[@mgibson7659]

Cant lock world up.

[@mertrel1]

Now you need the other side of the story and see what happens when the bar is set too low as in Minnesota kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZKbZ6t7oreDbpY

[@mgibson7659]

No its life. Not get out

[@mgibson7659]

Thats wrong. No its dcf They drsft people in thiete

[@mgibson7659]

They send bull hkme tk family

[@Scorch1028]

There will never be enough resources to hold "everyone" who needs to be involuntarily held in a psychiatric facility. So, the discussion about holding people for "too long", is rather moot. On the rare occasion when a person is in a facility against their will, they receive food, medical care, psych meds, and shelter -- resources that are hard to come by on the streets. Complaining about excessive involuntary commitment is like complaining about "free parking" in a crowded urban area. It isn't abundant enough to ever become a problem.