Sequences and series (part 2)

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Finding the sum of an infinite geometric series.

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@jellie1443
@jellie1443 8 жыл бұрын
You thoroughly taught me Sequences and series in just 20 mins while I took 6 hours in Math Training and didn't fully get it.
@mokshshah9305
@mokshshah9305 5 жыл бұрын
Same
@khanacademy
@khanacademy 17 жыл бұрын
You're right. Thanks for noticing. Seems like my brain malfunctions once every 3 videos or so. I guess my mistakes keep people on their toes.
@novaastronomia8720
@novaastronomia8720 3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha, I knew it.
@nineironshore
@nineironshore Жыл бұрын
pls don't do that on purpose
@honeywhisker
@honeywhisker 12 жыл бұрын
I find this guy's commentary so enthusiastic. Im here because my class is annoying (its full of class clowns) and I have a test tomorrow. It's easier to learn from here than trying to understand verbal concepts and straight-on paper
@hmdlamin93
@hmdlamin93 14 жыл бұрын
dude, u simply dominate math!! you are the chuck norris of mathematics! :)
@jarrasoma
@jarrasoma 15 жыл бұрын
WOW! I am totally amaized with this infinity to finite number! Watching those videos is much more interesting than anything I ever watched. Makes me want to buy a pentablet for this dude. Hes doing amaizing work!!!! Thank you so much. Alot of good karma for you!!!!
@fspopshovit
@fspopshovit 12 жыл бұрын
It only applies to numbers between -1 and 1 (but not -1, 0 or 1). If you apply the infinite geometric sequence to a number higher than 1, your answer will just be infinity itself. Taking the infinite geometric sequence of a negative number below -1 (including -1) is undefined. Because -x^∞ has no answer. The obvious answer would be -∞ or +∞, but infinity itself is not even nor odd. Hope this helped and that last bit wasn't too confusing..
@runningmarvel
@runningmarvel 17 жыл бұрын
i like your teaching style, and the odd mistake is good, because it keeps people thinking. keep it up, i like it!
@Ankur11ify
@Ankur11ify 11 жыл бұрын
Sal, you really need to put up videos on testing a series' convergence or divergence through Integral Test, Comparison Test, Ratio and Root Test.
@CynicalApple
@CynicalApple 13 жыл бұрын
that is the most mind-blow-iest thing I've heard all year.
@tlsauer
@tlsauer 17 жыл бұрын
Isn't the first term in the series 1/2^K equal to 1 and not zero? Thanks for the video and thanks for all the answers to the SAT test problems!
@TareqKhan0
@TareqKhan0 5 ай бұрын
Yes, it should be 1.
@imegatrone
@imegatrone 13 жыл бұрын
I Really Like The Video From Your Finding the sum of an infinite geometric series.
@tska84
@tska84 13 жыл бұрын
lol i love how he always catches his mistakes and is like wtf was i thinking.
@vashfish
@vashfish 15 жыл бұрын
I got some intuition on that last example for you from working with binary. What you're basically doing with the sum of 2^N is building the binary number 1.1111111111..... The decimal equivalent would be 9.999999999999...., which we know approaches 10. 10 in binary is 2.
@GenericCoder
@GenericCoder 13 жыл бұрын
This video is mind blowing thanks alot :D.
@kypronite
@kypronite 16 жыл бұрын
great job sal,I really like the way you use the box "1" to cover the mistake you made throughout the video.
@waterbot
@waterbot 8 жыл бұрын
Sal is loving this stuff
@scorpionboy3
@scorpionboy3 13 жыл бұрын
That makes sense, because when you´re mutliplying (1/2) times itself, your basicly dividing it by 2 every time. So if you do this infinite times, you would be dividing the original (1/2) infinite times, making it smaller and smaller ,which then goes to zero.
@elimayfield8689
@elimayfield8689 5 жыл бұрын
6:15 Memorize your exponent tables? I call it a calculator
@sean9878
@sean9878 6 жыл бұрын
Shouldn't it be a^n-1 then a^n??? Or a^n-2, a^n-1, a^n?
@turbold1
@turbold1 17 жыл бұрын
great video thnx sal hope to see more interesting videos! keep it up
@professorlessor
@professorlessor 15 жыл бұрын
it may feel odd at first but it is a fundamental law of algebra... if a=b then multiplying both sides by of that equation by something else (like some number "c") is still a valid equation (a*c=b*c) even if one side is an infinitely long sum... pretty cool
@gsparkway324
@gsparkway324 15 жыл бұрын
the normal equations for a sum of a geometric series is S=a(1-r^n)/(1-r) where n = # of terms & r = multiplier this formula he uses does not involve a multiplier, so it's easier to use In the last example r=1/2 & n=infinity answers turn out the same =2
@xPloSiVgT
@xPloSiVgT 12 жыл бұрын
Your explanations are marvellous
@andreasggeorgiou000
@andreasggeorgiou000 13 жыл бұрын
SalMAN you 're the MAN!!!!!!!!!
@boeing747200lr
@boeing747200lr 14 жыл бұрын
Sal, I find you amazing. Man, I gotto worship u.
@lisinka3
@lisinka3 15 жыл бұрын
I think the formula S = (a^N+1)-1 / a-1 breaks down. Assume there's the same series where a = 2, k =1 and N = 3 That would equal 2^1 + 2^2 + 2^3 = 14 But with the formula it's: ((2^3+1)-1) / 2-1 = (2^4)-1/1= 16-1/1 = 15 That formula only works when k = 0.
@aldarie
@aldarie 16 жыл бұрын
Sweet! Tons of fun! Thanks Sal!
@andreasggeorgiou000
@andreasggeorgiou000 13 жыл бұрын
@supercalifragilismic It means that the sum of the series is a specific number (i.e. it's not equal to +∞ or -∞).
@WorldCollections
@WorldCollections 14 жыл бұрын
I trully admire you ! Anyways, I really had some trouble trying to understand (at about 3:10) how did the term a^(n-1) cancelled...it didn't even make it to the list!
@boredbigmac
@boredbigmac 13 жыл бұрын
who else is bothered by the undeleted DOT at 4:20?? anyway, thanks a lot sal!
@Addicti0nz1
@Addicti0nz1 14 жыл бұрын
my brain starts malfunctioning when i walk into a classroom
@dcourtn1
@dcourtn1 14 жыл бұрын
keep it up sal
@essammqottb3857
@essammqottb3857 7 жыл бұрын
This has been great thank you alot
@xToTaLBoReDoMx
@xToTaLBoReDoMx 12 жыл бұрын
technically since there's no bracket... 1^k=1 for all values of k... So 1^k/2=1/2 for all values of k.
@mechwarreir2
@mechwarreir2 15 жыл бұрын
when you were showing the infinite series, just wonderin, but what is elipson? My teacher mentioned something about a really small number about limits of sequences or something. I forgot though.
@johnson3741
@johnson3741 14 жыл бұрын
Its fun to try and follow his mouse with mine. Wait...I'm supposed to be studying...damnit.
@daawinkdoe9818
@daawinkdoe9818 7 жыл бұрын
This is very helpful thank you☺
@AssyrianKing4ever
@AssyrianKing4ever 13 жыл бұрын
My college teacher tells us stories and in the end of the class he gives us youtube videos to watch...Wattt a teacher ha?
@fspopshovit
@fspopshovit 12 жыл бұрын
That actually blew my mind..
@BradleyFMash1
@BradleyFMash1 12 жыл бұрын
1/2^infinity is so small its arbitrary and therefore in all sense of rationality, it is 0. So like he did, he just crossed it out and reduced to 2. Calculus is awesome!
@dedly13
@dedly13 13 жыл бұрын
draw it out? that would take a long time to draw an infinite number of terms!
@AlphaCrucis
@AlphaCrucis 15 жыл бұрын
Wow that's awesome. Seems strange multiplying .9R by 10 though. I'll remember this.
@CarouselFlip
@CarouselFlip 15 жыл бұрын
Right; it is defined as the number of ways in which one can arrange 0 objects ;)
@wetim99
@wetim99 12 жыл бұрын
WTF that blows my mind man, so if we add infinite numbers to the exponent it adds up to 2?
@isorry4strokin
@isorry4strokin 13 жыл бұрын
@MilitaryMan006 thats the point of the formula... it takes a number that you would otherwise be unable to obtain, and it makes it into something tangible.
@turbold1
@turbold1 16 жыл бұрын
can you explain me the concept of what it means if a infinite geometric series whose absolute value r
@TheSadDuck
@TheSadDuck 12 жыл бұрын
You are the friggin man tho Sal
@alder7141
@alder7141 11 жыл бұрын
that is sooooo cool lol
@mahletissayas6199
@mahletissayas6199 4 жыл бұрын
That was helpful, thank you
@marckinio
@marckinio 13 жыл бұрын
you're wrong men, that series is a famus paradox and the infinite sum of (1/2^n) goes to 1 when n goes to infinity. Thats easy to see.
@plataoplomo9018
@plataoplomo9018 8 жыл бұрын
the difficulty from part one to part two is overwhelming.
@TrainPlaneBoat
@TrainPlaneBoat 6 жыл бұрын
yupp
@Jtking3000
@Jtking3000 15 жыл бұрын
how would you do the sum of the series 1+ 0.5 +0.333 +0.25 +0.2 .....1/infinity?
@jonathanaguilar2178
@jonathanaguilar2178 9 жыл бұрын
He totally ignored the negative sign in the numerator right at the end. Great Tutorial anyways!
@eiscube6232
@eiscube6232 9 жыл бұрын
+Jonathan Aguilar the negative sign cancelled out, he didn't ignore it.
@spacehooliganzack7429
@spacehooliganzack7429 10 жыл бұрын
Actually, 1/2^0 does equal 0! since 0!=1 :D
@alberteineshtain1644
@alberteineshtain1644 9 жыл бұрын
Zachary Leib-Perry can you explain ? I thought every number to the power 0 =1
@spacehooliganzack7429
@spacehooliganzack7429 9 жыл бұрын
ahmed alamassi Yes. Exactly
@Reydriel
@Reydriel 9 жыл бұрын
+ahmed alamassi Every number *(except 0) to the power 0 is 1. 0^0 is undefined :P
@alberteineshtain1644
@alberteineshtain1644 9 жыл бұрын
+Reydriel yes I know.. I just didn't pay attention to the factorial notation I thought he used the elimination mark because he is exited , I didn't know it's factorial when he said "1/2^0 does equal 0! " I thought its like one half to the power zero does equal zeeeero !! so I asked him.
@theartemys
@theartemys 8 жыл бұрын
Yup that made me laugh too XD
@E3tiger
@E3tiger 15 жыл бұрын
Just wondering. Why do you put your equals signs with one of the ends joining? Sort of like a c.
@drevil37373
@drevil37373 11 жыл бұрын
last one is a limit, you would never actually reach 2, what you can do though is get like 20 other peopel go to a bar, have the first person ask for half a beer, then the next person half as much as them so on and you would of never used a full beer cause of this.
@ninjajesus81
@ninjajesus81 13 жыл бұрын
So is this one of those things where it doesn't technically ever get to 2, but it's really just 1.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 with infinite 9's?
@ayesharulzz00
@ayesharulzz00 8 жыл бұрын
r there only two parts ???
@adam13579246
@adam13579246 14 жыл бұрын
In the annotation at 7:50 I couldn't help but think "but 0! does equal 1"
@Waranle
@Waranle 16 жыл бұрын
brco2003 you got some issues my friend. Sam nice video thank you
@hen555
@hen555 14 жыл бұрын
how come in first example (first video) you add the sums of the reverese and forward versions ... but in this example you subtracted the sum and did a*S. How do we know what to do ?
@purpk86
@purpk86 11 жыл бұрын
Sal, can you please make videos involving elementary analysis? I can never find any videos :(
@Dentei3
@Dentei3 11 жыл бұрын
Beautiful
@bananaondrugs
@bananaondrugs 13 жыл бұрын
@ACfireandiceDC compared to some college/university/high school teachers/professors he's explaining it on a kindergarten level. Besides this stuff is kind of easy. I went through it a few years back and I'm 16 atm... Anyway you can always pause the video and go back. And Sal...nice job on finding your own mistakes(usually takes me hours to find that at the middle of a problem I've randomly inserted/removed bullshit/important stuff. Or occasionally trying to find out that 7=0 is wrong.
@jasonthomas9975
@jasonthomas9975 2 жыл бұрын
Hello..welcome back to this comment that u posted 11 yrs ago
@jasonthomas9975
@jasonthomas9975 2 жыл бұрын
How has ur life been
@valdas0
@valdas0 13 жыл бұрын
So where are the other sequences which were mentioned in the part 1?
@josefinej3921
@josefinej3921 10 жыл бұрын
But how is it that 1/2^infinite is 0? The number gets smaller and smaller, so it shouldn't reach exact 0 at all, should it? Or is it just because the last numbers get so small that we don't need to count them in at all? This reminds me of Zeno's paradox.
@j1george
@j1george 10 жыл бұрын
Watch the video on limits
@spacehooliganzack7429
@spacehooliganzack7429 10 жыл бұрын
When the denominator gets extremely large the number becomes so small we might as well call it zero. But infinity is a weird place. Infinity is so monumentally colossal that it actually does make the value of 1/2^infinite=0
@MsMarlinDash
@MsMarlinDash 11 жыл бұрын
7:34 and it actually c- adds up :) you were thinking converges, no? ;)
@niceperson2
@niceperson2 6 жыл бұрын
Need a video of cauchy sequence
@xnbentari
@xnbentari 12 жыл бұрын
It makes me sad that it only goes up to 2 :(
@yoshirochen112
@yoshirochen112 7 жыл бұрын
Please make some newer videos on this topic, that would help! The content is good though.
@Jjunior130
@Jjunior130 12 жыл бұрын
that is cool
@venomxheart
@venomxheart 14 жыл бұрын
@adam13579246 Actually, anything raised to the zeroth power is going to be 1. Regardless of it's .11115^0 or infinity^0 ...
@Mark6770
@Mark6770 13 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sal.... I've learn so many things about you.... But How can I have the equation of the sum of Consecutive Powers? in any S(k)?
@jmacena11
@jmacena11 8 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your work, you're really good at it but the geometric series was beyond confusing. You should have edited the video properly to make it more sensible and accurate.
@Notasthinkasudrunkim
@Notasthinkasudrunkim 13 жыл бұрын
@MilitaryMan006 You should look up the greek philosopher Zeno's paradox about Achilles and the tortoise. :-)
@mazhartejani
@mazhartejani 8 жыл бұрын
does this infinty degree only works for 1/2 or a fraction? what if i take 2 as a number "2^k" then what will be the answer?
@RansomUsername
@RansomUsername 8 жыл бұрын
It only works for numbers less than one. The infinite sum of 2^k would diverge, since it is greater than one.
@nineironshore
@nineironshore Жыл бұрын
Zeno really went twice the distance?
@nineironshore
@nineironshore Жыл бұрын
Looks like we shouldn't start at k equals zero if we want the zeno sum. We should start at one otherwise the series begins with a 1.But Sal was misleading us (hopefully not intentionally) by showing zero as the first element of the sum but 1/2 to the power of 0 equals 1.
@Alejandro-Te
@Alejandro-Te 10 жыл бұрын
At 3:30, should it be aS-S=(a^n+1) +1? (instead of aS-S=(a^n+1) -1)
@vu2171994
@vu2171994 9 жыл бұрын
Citriano Torres why? aS - S. what didn't get cancel out was a^n+1 and -1. so it can't be (a^n + 1) +1. think again
@GoodVolition
@GoodVolition 8 жыл бұрын
You subtract the a^0 from the a^N+1, thus the -1.
@GoodVolition
@GoodVolition 8 жыл бұрын
Assuming a != 0.
@daniel2177
@daniel2177 15 жыл бұрын
That's the Harmonic series: E (from n=1 to infinity) 1/n... The Harmonic series diverges, therefore no Sn for you. :-)
@lamnguyentunglam585
@lamnguyentunglam585 5 жыл бұрын
and i was wondering why is n-2 what just happen , why ? who am i xD anyway good content
@blinkblink1358
@blinkblink1358 12 жыл бұрын
do infinite geometric sequences only apply to numbers below 1?
@awesomesoccerfan
@awesomesoccerfan 13 жыл бұрын
@supercalifragilismic The act of converging (coming closer).The approach of an infinite series to a finite limit.
@j1george
@j1george 10 жыл бұрын
I understand the math, but I'm having trouble visualizing it. I drew the pie, but that only adds up to 1.
@jisuahn6552
@jisuahn6552 9 жыл бұрын
that might be because the first term in the series should be 1, not 0.
@j1george
@j1george 9 жыл бұрын
ahh. thats what i get for turning off annotations
@SnipeSniperNEW
@SnipeSniperNEW 8 жыл бұрын
last question we can know the value of the sum by using limit as you showed but how can we know the term where the answer becomes 2?
@ZVPieGuy
@ZVPieGuy 8 жыл бұрын
Sniper The 0 should have been a 1. (1/2)^0=1. So 1+1/2+1/4...=2
@noblessus
@noblessus 15 жыл бұрын
lol my brain also starts malfunctioning when I'm running out of time in a test.
@wiiiissam
@wiiiissam 14 жыл бұрын
it won't give a clear number 2, it can never reach 2, it will be very close, but it can never reach 2, in the same way that ½^n+1 can never reach 0
@Bioquakee
@Bioquakee 13 жыл бұрын
@MrSnorkl Damn! you beat me to it! Good catch xD
@canliao1842
@canliao1842 14 жыл бұрын
is there a geometric sequence?
@matthewjames1378
@matthewjames1378 9 жыл бұрын
at 4:38 why did u use a-1?
@dennisdicicco6406
@dennisdicicco6406 10 жыл бұрын
thank you, KHANNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
@sophieoddling
@sophieoddling 10 жыл бұрын
So the series converges at 2?
@Layla7111
@Layla7111 12 жыл бұрын
Alright. Finals here I come :u
@zehramehdi4724
@zehramehdi4724 5 жыл бұрын
i stan one(1) man
@zguitarmaster
@zguitarmaster 16 жыл бұрын
I don't get it. On the other video you take S and sum it to another S that has the same sum inverted. On here you take the original sum and substract it to a*S. Why? What is the thought process when you derive an equation for a series?
@USMChiLD
@USMChiLD 15 жыл бұрын
I understand the math. But conceptually, I'm having trouble grasping the idea that I can sum up an infinite number of terms to end up with a finite number. How in the world does that happen? Is it cuz numbers get so small that they become irrelevant so that the terms become 0? But then again, for an infinite amount of time, all these lil tiny numbers eventually add up to create whole numbers...it is an infinite series. Reminds me of scientists saying the universe is infinite and growing...?
@toniikaialexis
@toniikaialexis 12 жыл бұрын
I really thought i got it in the firs video but this video i lost all confidence.
@annusolanki1031
@annusolanki1031 4 жыл бұрын
In (1/2) ^ k is written as 1^k/2
@mich3lleeee
@mich3lleeee 12 жыл бұрын
I don't get why you have to do a times S and all that. Why can't you just have S like the start...
@TheOwnerPO
@TheOwnerPO 12 жыл бұрын
where is part 3 and 4 ?
@microwavecoffee
@microwavecoffee 5 жыл бұрын
The first term in the final question is 1, not zero due to the fact that (1/2)^0 = 1 rather than 0. Wasted 5 minutes trying to figure this out haha.
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