Kia Telluride - Oil Requirements and GDI Engine Concerns

This video is about Kia Telluride - Oil Requirements and GDI Engine Concerns. Keeping it simple: Use Quality Oils that meet the engine's oil requirements. Change the oil at a frequency directly aligned with the way you drive.

[@christhomas7951]

Thank you for sharing this. I just ordered my gravity gray SX three weeks ago so I’m taking down information concerning maintenance so thank you for sharing this

[@camilo8cheryl]

When i first got my Telli, i immediately did same pennzoil full synth and kia OEM oil filter at 2k miles..just making sure the break in oil is replaced before i follow the recommended oil change regular maintenance..

[@adammorton9311]

The oil you chose is the best you can get for the $. I’ve tried many others and the ultra platinum burns off less and keeps my engines cleaner longer than any others. I use it in all 4 of my vehicles. If you have higher milage I would suggest putting 1qt of some type of high mileage oil to conditions the seals to avoid leaks. The ultra platinum doesn’t have seal conditioners added like high mileage oils do. Just FYI to anyone who reads this.

[@TheFranknica]

can you do a video when you do a front and rear differential as well as transfer case fluid change? but thank you! this video is very helpful

[@jsmith6589]

The carbon build-up on the intake valve or in the combustion chamber that is being talked about is caused by the type of gas and the lean conditions the epa requires to pass emissions requirements not as much the oil being used. First of all, if the engine is functioning properly and is not a high mileage motor, the combustion chamber should be almost completely oil free when the cylinder fires. So there shouldn't be enough oil burned to cause any carbon deposits. The valve seals keep oil from entering the chamber between the valve stems and the valve guides and the compression rings on the piston keeps the thin film of oil on the cylinder, put there by the oil ring, from entering and being burned. The main causes of carbon is because engines run so lean, which causes excessive heat in the combustion process and the fuel ,again caused by the epa, is poor quality, no matter what brand, that it doesn't burn completely and you get carbon. The excessive heat and lean conditions can cause the spark plug electrodes to partially burn away sometimes. The best thing you can do to prevent build-up is to make sure your plugs are replaced and gap set to specs, always double check, don't just rely the gap that came from the box. Some engines now call for plugs to be changed 40,000 miles or less and some at 100,000 or more. Always read the owners manual and follow instructions. Also check when coil packs and plug wires if it has them need replaced . If check engine light is on, find out the cause immediately and repair. Some sensor failing can cause carbon build-up. The main thing different oil can cause is sludge build-up in other parts of engine, than combustion chamber. This is from cheap oil without proper detergents. The argument between synthetic, blend and fossil has endless arguments, opinions and facts for all sides. Just make sure to use recommendations from factory on weight and a trusted brand. If the manual calls for a specific brand or blend use that if not use what brand makes you happy. Just don't compromise on weight, follow manual and you'll be fine. One last thing, when you start using one brand don't switch unless absolutely necessary. From years of experience, some engines get set in their ways and they don't like change. Good luck and enjoy your Kia. It is a fine looking vehicle

[@koreymayo8884]

All engines have blow by which on a GDI engine can cause intake valves to carbon up unless using a duel port and direct injection system like Toyota or Ford. The only solution is and oil catch can or every once in a while doing an expensive valve cleaning, but with an oil catch can you will never have to clean the intake valves!

[@scorpiojuan1966]

Sorry but you not completely right... problem is the oil. Heres why: One of the most efficient ways for a gasoline engine to operate is to use direct injection. LSPI can only happen in engines using gasoline direct injection technology. So, what is LSPI and why does it happen? When the fuel is injected in the combustion chamber it may form a liquified solution with the thin residual layer of oil that sits on the cylinder wall. This fuel-oil solution is then pushed upwards by the piston during the compression stroke and the pressure may cause it to ignite, thus resulting in an unplanned combustion pressure wave. This is the LSPI event. Afterwards, the spark plug ignites the remaining fuel-air mixture that results in a second combustion shockwave. The combined force of the shockwaves is enough, in the long run, to create cracks in the piston and eventually to cause sections of the piston to break away completely. Realizing this problem, engine manufacturers turned to oil companies for help. Oil companies changed their additive packages in such a way that would prevent the fuel-oil mixture from combusting and thus preventing the uncontrolled combustion. The American Petroleum Institute introduced a supplement to their API SN specification - called API SN Plus - that also includes tests to verify that the oil protects against LSPI. And as someone earlier mentioned, the catch-can will help too..

[@justacinnamonbun8658]

Was at a Kia dealership today looking for an alternative to the old minivan. Came across a Telluride on the sales floor. I was impressed by the amount of 2nd AND 3rd row space in the vehicle. Then I opened the hood and saw the dreaded three letters no car enthusiast who likes to keep his cars forever wants to see... GDI. That was a deal breaker. This is the epitome of planned obsolescence engineering. If I'm buying internal combustion it's MPI all day. I was hoping this had a low power stage MPI setup to keep the valves clean but no dice. Also no sale. I keep looking.

[@Will-qj1oo]

Thank you so much for the much needed info. Are you going to do a video on DIY oil change?

[@ManicMarkets]

Yes - when the time comes. Still have a bit of time yet before that day.

[@hientruong4074]

I use the Walmart brand full synthetic oil in my ford Ecoboosts for 5 years now, I change the oil every 5k miles. No problems whatsoever with the engine.

[@tonymngia1763]

Second day with my telluride. I will change my oil and take your recomendations. I dont trust or believe in kia dealership staff members. My last car was a 3.0 avalon and it live for 25 years on 91 octane and mobile 1 synthetic. It never returned to the dealer mechanics after, I drove off. Lets see how we do?

[@DoubleURamirez]

Was your Telluride right on the line (bottom near mid way Full) I just checked my oil after 3k miles I’m afraid I’m already burning oil!! I didn’t check it when I first received it I should have!

[@johnmoore1495]

Do you potentially know how much trip lengths affect carbon buildup for a GDI? My mom is looking at getting a Telluride but she also only travels a mile back and forth for work. Currently she drives an older highlander and hasn’t had problems, but that’s a simple port injected V6.

[@freebehindbars8654]

Carbon starts building mile one. I’ve seen a 6k mile engine with obvious buildup on the intake valves. A catch can from new and you’ll be fine. It’s actually a good engine, if not for that design flaw.

[@kunalmj]

How often do you suggest oil change with the full synthetic oil on the Telluride to avoid build up?

[@koreymayo8884]

Full synthetic every 5 to 6k, maybe 8k at the most, but if you are concerned about GDI causing carbon build up on intake valves then all you have to do is install an oil catch can in the vacuum line after the PCV valve and drain the oil catch can every time you change the oil! Using a good oil will not stop blow by and carbon deposits, but an oil catch can will!

[@batero4life]

I use Castrol GTX for hyundai GDI vehicles. Very good oil.

[@ManicMarkets]

Yep - I panned to go with Pennzoil or Castrol. Just happened that I can easily get the specific Pennzoil I wanted pretty easy.

[@salimss489]

Use API SN PLUS oil for Kia/Hyundai with GDI engine to protect the engine of LSPI problems

[@pmtips4482]

What about the new SP designation? Do you know how that compares to SN Plus? I just bought a 2020 Sorento with 2.4L GDI. Thanks 👍

[@arielnyc2005]

I think the carbon buildup issue also depends on the engine design, some engines get very bad buildup even with frequent quality oils changes and fuels, the VW 2.0T, Hyundai 2.0T and 2.4 for example. Car makers are starting to realize that dual injection is the way to go, and Nissan, Ford, Hyundai (2020 Sonata and Venue), Audi have all recently introduced models that have both direct and port injection.

[@koreymayo8884]

Duel injection is one way to go, but if you are concerned about GDI causing carbon build up on intake valves then all you have to do is install an oil catch can in the vacuum line after the PCV valve and drain the oil catch can every time you change the oil! Using a good oil will not stop blow by and carbon deposits, but an oil catch can will! I really don't understand why there are no oil catch cans from manufactuers or maybe an oil drain back system!

[@michealterhune1200]

Gdi are not bad engines the trouble is you have to do a GDI fuel cleaner it has to go through the actual engine not the gas tank like regular engines because it does the Pistons don't go in and out on a GDI engine so those cleaners will not go in and work on a gdi engine. Oil change and a gdi dealer cleaning will keep the carbon whare down

[@xandercage5792]

which castrol type didn't meet the standard? I use edge and megatec.

[@ManicMarkets]

I believe the only Castrol that meets/exceeds ACEA A5 was the Titanium. Megatec meets the SN Plus standard: msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/FusionPDS.nsf/Files/4E042401C11971F980258297004677F3/$File/BPXE-9UE8M3.pdf ACEA is really a European standard and I anything SN Plus in the doughnut should be fine per the owners manual. But they do list that as a - will work if ACEA A5 is not available in your area. I'm sticking with oils, for my purposes, that meet ACEA A5.

[@seatime674]

I was thinking about getting a brand new '22 or 23 Kia Carnival with the 3.5 GDI I wonder if I should pass, anyone??? 🤔

[@brians761]

Hi , can you tell me if the amber daytime running lights are able to be turned off while the engine is running ? Thanks

[@ManicMarkets]

I'll have to double check and respond if I find out anything different. However, to my knowledge I haven't seen that option in any of the menus. Then again - I haven't wanted to do that so I could have glossed over the option.

[@JessAlekzandr]

@@ManicMarkets you can turn them off while the car is at idle just engage the electronic parking brake.

[@oldrudedog]

Funny how when I asked about which oil to use in mine they said Synthetic blend. I haven't found a blend that meets the ACEA rating of A5. They did the first oil change and told me they used Motorcraft. I found out later they used an oil called Total( Never heard of it). The highest rating that oil had is is A3. So they are going against their own warranty standards. I haven't found very many oil change places that carry blend so I'm going to full Synthetic. I will be using Pennzoil as I have been using that brand for over 40 years and have had no problems.

[@NimrodRodriguez]

On my Tucson 2020 it says that I have to use Quacker State oil. I think tha came synthetic blend.

[@soothsayer2406]

why doesn't KIA follow the expensive but wiser route of having both Port injection and direct injection such as the Toyota DS4 system? IN the long run it will save them from a lot of lawsuits.

[@savedby_grace6110]

Castrol GDI or Valvoline GDI...

[@renzo2131]

What type of oil should I use for a Optima 2.4 GDI engine? Change interval?

[@Vencarter]

I have a 2016 sxl, I want this gal to last so once that 4800 mile comes up I don't hesitate to begin gathering the oil and filter so that it will be done no later than 5k. I use either (5w30 full syn) penz, mobile, or cas. I'm at 44,200 miles, only things I've had to replace were the tires at 36k and the break pads around 41,500

[@lotsofthisandthat9791]

I have 2018 optima. I change oil at 3700 mi,es, which is the ‘ extreme’ service interval recommended by KIA. I use this interval so they can never use as an excuse to void the warranty, as I do drive in rust belt of USA. I use Penziol Platinum Plus full synthetic, as from my research, I do believe it is best for these gdi engines. I have used Mobil one full synthetic, but penzoil seems to appear cleaner longer than the Mobil. ALWAYS use KIA OEM filters! Any other filter will void the warranty! I know, total BS, but don’t take any chances, dealer holds all the cards in said situation!

[@Vencarter]

@@lotsofthisandthat9791 good info, ill keep that in mind. Good thing ive only ever used genuine kia filters.....*cough*......commin up on that 50k mark too

[@chucksherron]

You are correct. There is no port injection in the telluride.

[@ManicMarkets]

Chuck Sherron only thing I’m unsure of is what if any steps Hyundai has taken to reduce carbon buildup. I have ideas, but no verification.

[@ro0ster648]

The new 2.5L in the 2020 Sonata will have Port and Direct Injection, hopefully that will trickle down to the other Hyundai engines when they come out with a new version of it.

[@arielnyc2005]

Yep, the new 1.6 also has dual injection, I am glad automakers are going to the dual injection route.@@ro0ster648

[@smaranh]

Does Telluride come with memory seats?

[@ManicMarkets]

No - not on mine. I don't recall if the SX has memory seats.

[@user-uy4hr2gy2p]

I have dealer change oil/filter. In that way I get OEM filter & (hopefully Kia approved oil..They use Total.

[@ManicMarkets]

@@user-uy4hr2gy2p it should be - but some dealers will do a “cheap” oil change because people don’t want to pay 100 for an oil change. In that case they may use an OEM filter, but will use a cheaper oil and then tell you to come back more frequently. In that sense you still pay the same money or more because of the number of oil changes you do a year.

[@jsmith6589]

Very funny, people think gdi engine is something rare or unusual because Kia gave it a fancy name. Any engine that has the fuel injector in the combustion chamber and not in the port is gdi.

[@JoshuaEXE18]

Pennzoil Plat meets / exceeds ACEA A5 / B5

[@jpmackin]

Will it give you more HP if you use high octane gas?

[@ManicMarkets]

no. just more resistant to knock. You should and can run 87 Octane in the telly. Just need to make sure it has top tier detergent additives in the gas you buy. If it doesn't then you'll want to add them during a fill up. Buy the bottle from Kia. However, I think most gas stations in the big cities and bigger brand names all sell quality gas with top tier additives.

[@MrImpalaracing]

I have a 2015 Mustang ecoboost. With 310 hp ford said that the cheap gas will lower the hp

[@TheJu2ber]

Do you recommend catch cans to help prevent carbon build up on GDI engines?

[@bob-pr8ye]

I have heard " no " from some pretty amazing mechanics ...

[@koreymayo8884]

If you are concerned about GDI causing carbon build up on intake valves then all you have to do is install an oil catch can in the vacuum line after the PCV valve and drain the oil catch can every time you change the oil! Using a good oil will not stop blow by and carbon deposits, but an oil catch can will! I really don't understand why there are no oil catch cans from manufactures or maybe an oil drain back system!

[@Maddog29]

I want to do so but I am having a hard time locating it(pcv) If you can describe the location I sure would appreciate it.

[@koreymayo8884]

@@Maddog29 Just google it, but there should be a vacuum line going from the crankcase to the intake that should be the PCV vacuum line.

[@mikeam3871]

CA smog rules prohibit a catch can. Messing with the emissions system in their opinion. Instant fail at smog station inspection. I have to remove mine before a smog test.

[@koreymayo8884]

@mikeam3871 California is so dumb! I would think a catch can would reduce emissions from making the engine burn cleaner. I could never live in California. Great place for a vacation, though!

[@davekrukraft9281]

Getting one of these in 2 weeks,yeah,never buy a blend oil,there is no industry standard on ratio of the different oils,so it could just have a drop of synthetic in it.

[@weimarutube]

Speak to the specs and why they are important for GDI enginees. Who cares about talking about a few brand oils; it doesn't matter. Its all about the oil spec listed in the car manual and the oil. GDI needs a specific oil grade for a reason. Why not focus on that versus talking about mobil or Pennzoil, etc......

[@pikapool8003]

Nooooooooo put engine wrong way why kia why

[@jeremyspigner1320]

Done many many many oil changes on gdi engines. I have see no difference in any oil used. Many have 2000k or more miles on them. Oil is oil only diff is you get 3 times the miles from synthetic vs conventional oil

[@Opalivian]

Wow 2 million miles! I dont believe you.

[@jeremyspigner1320]

@@Opalivian i meann 200k miles. Just over 223000 miles

[@johnmitchell8925]

in all my oil research dont ever waste your money on a synthetic blend.just buy full synthetic oil

[@ManicMarkets]

I’d agree.

[@scott4172]

It’s not weight, it’s viscosity.

[@lotsofthisandthat9791]

ATTENTION! Only use KIA OEM oil filters or KIA will void your engine warranty if problems develop!!!!

[@unleashedrider4309]

I would never buy a gdi motor. Oil has nothing to do with it or the frequency.

[@freddylongbow3421]

Don't be stupid. Of course it does.

[@Opalivian]

No one asked.

[@camilo8cheryl]

Get a diesel tractor engine kubota for your suv instead

[@xandercage5792]

I would never buy a Kia again my Optima burst in the flames like a Roman candle

[@camilo8cheryl]

Buy a Ford instead😂

[@SyphADL87]

I'm from Colorado, (KIA = Killed In Action) and I hate that they named another garbage vehicle after one of our fair towns. Hey KIA, how you stop making cars that blow up for once?