Kiara Explains Why Hololive Censors Hands

[@hellogaming9107]

when she said "im white" it just reminded me of calli getting a comment that said "why do you say sharingan like a white woman" or something like that, and she was like "whos gonna tell them?"

[@unpopularweeb8535]

I think Kiara was the third one who admitted that she's white, after Calli and Nerissa. Very shocking, I know.

[@OuroborosGhoul]

Plus we all secretly know what caili look like **wink wink**

[@Daktangle]

Calli with the very American pronunciation. Wonder if she says "Sasookay" too >.>

[@unpopularweeb8535]

@@Daktangle Just when he's really cool. And Sakura, the beautiful.

[@diegoandonizubietagarcia5104]

@@OuroborosGhoul she looks like a dice

[@HodgePodgeProducts]

Kiara always keeps it real with her audience and thats why we love her.

[@shadowlink3]

Kiara is EN's Public relations manager, Ame is technology director and Bigfish is #1 therapy companion.

[@sekaihunter9378]

Calli is music director and Ina is art director. The entire gen of Myth feels more like a secret society than actual HoloX lol

[@h1jklmn0p]

​@@sekaihunter9378 Gura just a

[@CallMeConCon]

such a professional

[@TheModdedwarfare3]

​@@shadowlink3Ame is the EN recruiter

[@haydarinna631]

Comments: "Why are you censoring hands?" Kiara: "There are weird people who count moles and stuff" Comments: "Yeah me uncensor them"

[@heroicxidiot]

Yoshikage Kira has entered the chat

[@khoaphan202]

there an incident a guy on 4chan doxxed someone just base on their shoes/feet

[@sboinkthelegday3892]

This culture couldn't even handle phone books anymore, because it's the culture being bad. Tacit allowance that normal people SHOULD just hope to not get attacked in their homes, if the "public" goes after them. You're gonna pretend it's about propriety when it's only about puritanism that extends even in here. In reality, most violence and doxxing is between randos, like a coworker knwoing where you live. Same spaghetti over the fact why JAV is censored. And that EXACT reasoning still expands to some labor force BS, non-competition clauses, that eromanga needs to be censored, because it's not fair to hard-working JAV girls if there's that, I guess competition in the market. And don't blame me, they DO expand those CENSURE laws, so THEY make the connection, not me. The way I see it it's not "privacy" of your genitals when you literally monetize and publicize a work ABOUT your genitals. Why the hell are you producing any material at all if the point is then to illegalize it? CS LEwis, a christian, already made this point long time ago, that if a salivating crowd is gathering over a burlesque show around a roasted chicken, it's not a healthy way or healthy OPPORTUINTY to think about chicken. It's an addicted culture with not enough maturity IN IT to carry on an adult APPROACH to these things. No adult should be suffered to lower that bar so low, as to be so incapable of handling adult topics. Creating the continutity where you don't HAVE means of passing the same strength to your children either, like the adult ALSO needs to be kept away from the cookie jar.

[@0d0gn]

@@khoaphan202 someone doxxed ironmouse by tracking sounds around her and plasma shipments

[@UltimateGattai]

​@@0d0gnthat is crazy dedicated, creepy too.

[@TheFranquito20]

I can't believe Kiara is white. I'm literally shaking and crying right now. I was expecting a hand drawn animated hand under the gloves. I can't watch holo anymore.

[@treyrex5987]

IKR! So unwatchable now! Literally can't even. 😭😭😭

[@iiNJOKER]

This is so sad, My immersion....

[@moonyamoonya997]

We know it's your alt Uki

[@MooshyM2727]

@@moonyamoonya997 BAHHAHAHHAHA

[@TheBlackSheepBoy]

@@moonyamoonya997 LMAOOOO

[@CrumbMuffins]

I will point out that while Kiara says she doesn’t really go for immersion I will point out when she did her first(?) handcam stream she had sleeves that matched her outfit. But everything she said is reasonable and true.

[@HodgePodgeProducts]

Cosplaying yourself is just a power flex

[@wargodlazer3184]

I think that wasn't for immersion, moreso cause she can? that's just my opinion knowing that cosplay is her thing. But iirc she didn't have gloves that go over elbow length and her camera setup shows her hands and forearm hence the selfmade sleeves.

[@Wolf-fighter]

if its reasonable and true you destroy the point completly by showing your face straight up and posting that on a roomate acc that is known by enough people already and posts it anyways publicly for everyone to see

[@AATproducer]

Don't forget her birthday stream paragliding. The hand! that was really well done

[@nawu2024]

I mean.. hands are lewd.. Especially if they hold each other... Its understandable...

[@Sapizanza]

Unwanted pregnancy

[@blip_qild]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@lionelk.y7233]

Alright Kira calm down

[@dalriada7554]

And now I need a cold shower just imagining that

[@Oruta563]

Premarital hand holding is out of the line

[@yunelurking]

Never underestimate the sheer tenacity people have for finding a vtuber's IRL content. Something simple as showing a hand is innocent but people can pull some wild nonsense with very little info

[@Matunex13]

thats BS, if someone is obsessed with a vtuber to the point of know the identity trhough a mole or tatto....they could just search for the PL and watch them there. ¨what about those who dont show skin neither on the PL?¨ they can use gloves

[@newmoonshadow3038]

Seeing their hands is irrelevant when everyone knows who they are anyway. Their real identities are pretty open secrets if you do 10 seconds of research, even the KZbin algorithm can spoil it if you watch one VTuber too much and it starts "randomly" recommending another KZbinr with a very familiar voice.

[@harryhanddrawn]

​@@Matunex13 Not everyone has a PL and not everyone is public/comfortable being public in their PL like kiwawa. If you are an indie then sure you should do what you feel best, but they are active as a collective group in a corpo so naturally anything they do they have to take into consideration of all other talents (current and future). It doesn't even have to be a written corpo rules, at least for me, I would've done the same in the consideration of my colleagues (not only the talents, but also for the staff members like mane-chan's hand in this case)

[@Matunex13]

@@harryhanddrawn The thing is, is not an option. If kiara or other member want to show skin they can not bc other members don't want to

[@harryhanddrawn]

@@Matunex13 yes, like I said, they have to take into consideration of other talents (current or future) that would prefer to not show or not be public with their PL. And at the end of the day we are here for their vtubing, so its not like we are missing any major content by not seeing their skin lol!

[@infinite4035]

Kiara isn't my oshi, but it's being open and having the confidence to talk about stuff like this that really impresses me about her. She isn't afraid to point at the big elephant in the room and explain wtf. It really feels like she holds a lot of empathy and understanding for what seems like a bunch of weirdos at first impression.

[@josephkim007]

love kiara for her transparency and letting us know exactly what's up. i know sometimes, there are these unspoken rules that many new people may not understand, so clarifying it like this is something i really appreciate kiara doing. also, that outro is bangin'

[@aserta]

What wawa doesn't say is this: uniformity enforces the standard and in this case, the standard is the safety of the persons working for the company. Given previous events such as: Grimmie's horrific death, as an indicator of sanity in the world, KyoAni's 36 souls and 33 injured, and on the very other end of the spectrum, Mighty Car Mods from Australia having someone drop at their mum's place or the thefts or the incessant fans who don't understand that being public doesn't mean one doesn't want privacy and so on and so fort with a sheet list long enough to span the distance from the Moon to Earth...given all that, i think it's perfectly reasonable. I think it's more than reasonable, i think it's required and i think Cover did the right thing. We've seen people found from very little details. All it takes is a single detail to click with one person. And while yes, (as coined) "forbidden knowledge" does exist and is public to some extent, we circle back to goal. To protect the employees. And to do that, you need uniformity across the board, because there's nutters who will stalk and bypass these safeties through "the weakest link" (used as an expression). TLDR: not everyone understands privacy and not everyone takes their meds. Imagine what someone would feel if they found out that through proxy (their proxy) one of their friends was hurt. So blurry hands it is and stop flapping about it.

[@Dracobyte]

So true!

[@darkwar232100]

Preach it! Some people shown against company decisions on this thing in commentary are very sus.

[@Ausdrake]

That's a fair assessment about uniformity which I didn't consider. Everything Kiara said is what I think most of us already assumed, but my real gripe is how it's enforced on everyone. Not everyone has identifying features on their hands and not everyone cares about "muh immershun," and now it ends up impacting on the creativity and options of some members. On the other hand (pun not intended) if it was mandatory back when Ollie did her hand stream, she wouldn't have been harassed. That said I still think it should be optional, and they should all be trained on the reasons they should _consider_ using gloves. Unfortunately we're just going the Japanese route: the rules are for everyone, deal with it.

[@CBRN-115]

Yeah. As silly this may sound, there are A LOT OF legitimately crazy people around the world

[@RrahmynNoodles]

Never thought I would see someone mention Grimmie in a hololive vid but it is a solemn feeling to know that even now people still remember her and take that tragedy to heart. She was the first artist I ever really followed and it wasn't until hololive came to be till I felt a connection with both the artist and their music again.

[@pyroronpa]

For some reason Kiara saying "I'm white" and then the gasp and fainting clip hit me pretty hard. I bursted out in laughter.

[@jswagburg]

Only 4 minutes long and right to the point! Having watched Kiara's tangent about this topic while she was building her Yakuza Crossing resort, I really respect the editing from Kowkarot in this video. Immersion and safety stuff is always full of nuance that I think is really hard to convey over clips and shortform social posts.

[@hibikiholmes2867]

1:50 Definitely the most shocking news of all time.

[@nessesaryschoolthing]

A white Austrian? Now I've seen everything

[@cerdaspediaindonesia8926]

​@@nessesaryschoolthingi had to googled it as i though they were extinct.

[@gavinmagness9009]

Also incredibly wrong, lol. Girl is most definitely NOT Caucasian.

[@lautlos3]

​@@gavinmagness9009 She's still white tho? Very much so even, if memory serves me right.

[@gavinmagness9009]

@@lautlos3 If your definition of white is "lacks melanin" than yeah. But to most Americans, you wouldn't call a pale-skinned Asian woman "white."

[@syzygy9260]

At 1:24 I think Kiara said "Live2D avatar" instead of "lives to the avatar"

[@Kowkarot]

Forgive me, I am stupid.

[@Dankimus3607]

@@Kowkarot Forgiven

[@KeebeThePlush]

At least algorithm is being nice to Kiara

[@J5Aolurus]

I love how she can be so goofy and fun sometimes but also so mature when talking about something or explaining 🧡

[@Draka10.]

2:16 seanyboi: "Don't tell Uki Violeta" lmao

[@OuroborosGhoul]

I think it’s mostly white men.

[@faidzeelhisyamhattar2133]

Uki sounds like a monkey.

[@juampisito]

To be honest Uki is white xd, he is Asian but his skin is more white than yellow, so it is funny XD

[@kristophesiem5336]

​@@juampisito you do know asians don't look like the simpsons irl right?

[@Hkt1kTurnie]

​@@kristophesiem5336You're telling me that all Asians do not have a healthy #FFD90F coloured complexion?

[@Ballistic477]

Something I really appreciate of Kiara must be how she’s always so open with this kind of topic as an agency vtuber

[@EcoJakk]

They used their hand allowance on that nail stream. Never again~

[@niconojuegos]

It’s crazy that I think that was actually the last hand cam stream in hololive (or maybe just EN and I’m unaware of a JP or ID member doing something)

[@Micheldied]

​@@niconojuegos I think that was the last, but there were a bunch around that time too (Nene had a bunch of hand cam streams).

[@niconojuegos]

@@Micheldied yeah, it’s kinda funny that both of Oriends enjoyed content that involved showing their hands/skin lol

[@Polymathically]

1:50 That made me laugh. Aside from Calli, Kiara's real life identity is probably the worst-kept secret in Hololive. Nerissa is also up there. If Coco and Magni were still in the company, they'd round out the top 5.

[@Oswald-hb2mj]

Nah, I have zero idea who Nerrisa was. AFAIK she doesn't keep an alt so your point is wrong there.

[@Polymathically]

@@Oswald-hb2mj I'm not sure if you're trying to troll me, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt once. This site's algorithm spoiled her alternate identity when she debuted. _Literally_ the very next video that played in the queue after her debut was one of her old songs. And yes, she absolutely keeps an alt. She posts on it almost daily. Her professional website and discography are very easy to find as well.

[@Oswald-hb2mj]

@@Polymathically Nope, i'm not trolling you. I legit don't know what her alt account is and was kind of baiting you to say it. Admittedly though, I wasn't there when Nerissa debut.

[@Rokomarn]

a quick google search points to Caitlin Myers@@Oswald-hb2mj

[@Pride__]

I think maybe many of those comments are probably more used to the western/twitch style of vtubing where most of the talents there have little issue with body/hand/facemasks cam streams regularly or maybe just normies in the shorts section. I completely agree with Kiara on the skin color thing tho, for a long time there were many popular CCs that used avatars or no face cams at all because they weren't white. Lirik on Twitch is a biggest example that I can think of although I feel like it's more excepted now.

[@primecoconut4204]

true if one is accustomed to the western-style VTubing (I prefer calling Twitch VTubers) including Hollywood celebrities, this sort of thing wont matter. However, it is a whole different story when it comes to Asian/JP VTubing (corporate VTubers) and other celebrities on the region esp KPoppers. It all boils down on culture difference as well as social media behaviors.

[@NousagiCaptain]

Yea and what's crazy is those guys literally do have people popping up. COUGH COUGH SNIPERWOLF

[@OutruntheWind]

There are some people organizing a Black Vtuber's award show, and when they announced it there were a ton of really vile racist remarks in the comments. Thankfully they were a noisy minority, but they were certainly there. There's definitely a rotten undercurrent in vtuber fandoms (and also anime fandom in general) of people that are attracted to the percieved racial homogeniety of anime and "Japanese culture", and it can be dangerous for people that threaten their fantasy.

[@NousagiCaptain]

@@OutruntheWind True very true, Like if ANY of the current talents showed that they were dark skinned, it would "Ruin it" for some people. So some will probably never show skin, because of possible fan rejection.

[@GraceOfJarvis]

@@NousagiCaptainAt the same time, plenty of people would probably lose it if it were revealed that Flare had light skin in reality ;)

[@unbiasedfanboy5792]

It’s probably the increased comments about the hand censorship that boosted the short in the algorithm

[@remforrest]

Yoshikage Kira hates hololive for this....

[@hoodiesticks]

What a divine, exquisite duwang...

[@bruchett4799]

Yeah I agree a lot with kiara. At the same time I know how obsessed and stalkerish people can get. For me it never does break the immersion even if it does not match the skin color etc. But saftey is really important, especially within a Idols (just watch Perfect Blue anime).

[@twistedjoke6636]

I feel like having a big censored blur instead of a regular hand is more immersion breaking but I do like the point she makes about how if gloves weren’t normalized it would be more weird when someone who doesn’t match up with their avatar uses them

[@stikyfinkaz183]

She having fun with her manager is more wholesome than anything else.

[@Salvador-312]

It’s sad that they do it, I liked seeing laplus hands though, and her cute nails. idk why sometimes they’re censored and sometimes they’re not.

[@Jutastre]

The no hands rule is quite recent. Think any you might have seen must've been from before the rule was implemented.

[@KP0719x]

@@Jutastreit happened when they did the nail stream with irys. It broke the rules bc people were weird with it bc it was irys. I mean nenechi did it, laplus, cali, Kiara etc but when irys did it that’s when it happened.

[@Salvador-312]

@@Jutastre damn I didn’t know there was a new no hands rule. Thought it was the same gloves shit we’ve always had. I get that skin tone not matching vtuber avatar dilemma tho but still sad.

[@Salvador-312]

@@KP0719x they just be hating on en huh;(

[@lchn12345678]

this is probably the first time i see any clipper make a series out of clips, or at least the first time a clipper made a graphic for a series of clips, i think its a good idea

[@chapelknight951]

My favorite take on this is when they put their avatar in a real environment Roger Rabbit style. It just looks so cool

[@tomassmith2088]

Fuwamoco putting their reflections on their playbuttons 😂

[@vkarvanzer4243]

Immersion is not a big deal for me, but yeah the safety is concerning. Human ability shouldn't be underestimated

[@lyconxero457]

She mentioned this briefly before after her stream was privated that included her, iRyS, and Calli's hands but further context is always appreciated. From a company standpoint, it really makes the most sense as they do need to enforce uniformity in matters like this so that others aren't possibly put into uncomfortable situations. I think that most everyone at this point KNOWS what Kiara looks like as she's still very active on her PL which is NOT a Vtuber so it doesn't fall under their noncompete clause BUT most of the other talents in the agency don't do IRL PL stuff actively and, just like her manager, shouldn't have to possibly be put in a situation where things are revealed about them that might not only be compromising to "immersion" but more so for their physical safety.

[@bennydelon]

I agree with your comment, but just a correction, the nail painting stream wasn't privated, it's still available to watch. The new rule wasn't applied retroactively.

[@AJarOfYams]

Tangents! That's what I watch Wawa for

[@cej3940]

Man, I think youtube could benefit from people being able to further customize their recommendations, it generally seems that stuff on here either really blows up or it has a 10th if its normal viewership which is wild

[@DragonSamurai182]

I agree with you aomewhat. I would like to see more of what I actually WANT to see, but sometimes I come across some random old video that’s really entertaining, or a really good song from someone I’ve never heard of before. I mean if the algorithm wasn’t as loose as it is I would never have come across that one guy that did a 2-hour video essay on how M Night movies are actually pretty ok.

[@Pepso8P]

"Lets not break the immersion." I feel like any real life video kind of does that, be it with or without the person in it.

[@haringduga4026]

Kiara Protecs Jenma. Kronii Protecs Kroma. Enma protects EN with a Katana at 1HP. This is the Way.

[@RoyalOnion]

i love how honest tenchou is with the fans, she knows what she can and cant say and explains it calmly

[@kyledadragon]

It's not just moles or matching skin tone. What if someone has a sleeve or hand tattoo and it's quite unique/ visible? It makes a lot of sense you'd cover that as well.

[@jarno8608]

I liked it a lot when she did a handcam stream wearing simular sleeves as her model

[@werbearjack]

yeah, very understandable

[@MrMarnel]

Pretty much everything people already assumed. I wish it didn't have to be this way but eh, not a big deal really. We'll forever treasure the nails stream.

[@TownspersonB]

People have been tracked by the reflections in their eyes. There are a lot of crazies on the internet. I always saw vtubing in general as a way to get an audience while still remaining anonymous, so I don't blame any of them for taking precautions like gloves or censoring hands.

[@RickMoren477]

Agree one of my favorites example to use when discussing this is 4chan finding a flag in a middle of nowhere with nothing but an ambient sound and a Jetstream of a plane that happened to pass by. All to just ruin shia Labeouf day. Granted that was a group effort but it's still speaks how much they can do if it makes some good comedy when they have nothing to do.

[@Helmir]

The eye reflection thing is actually a myth.

[@AbadonXXX]

Yey, tenchou tangent

[@ryubasha]

2 videos de la jefa en 1 dia? 10/10

[@UnwrittenBirds]

On the other hand, Kiara's poofy sleeves she sometimes wears in handcam streams really dial up the immersion.

[@alexz825]

meanwhile nene showed her hands so she could play with clay

[@RollingBlocks]

That was before the new rule, or has she still continued doing that?

[@twistedjoke6636]

@@RollingBlockspretty sure it was before the new rule but I could be wrong

[@Micheldied]

​@@RollingBlocks it was before. She did a few hand streams right before the ban.

[@cosmicelectron]

The funny thing about bluring is it isn't destructive, so with it can be undone pretty simply, their are quite a few programs out their that let you unblur things

[@redakdal]

its more complex than that, its actual more harder than that, even with AI, you won'[t get it truly unblurred unless you have to source footage or know how it was done. it can be done, but would require someone with alot of skill to reverse engineer something like that. if there are programs out there claiming that, they are lying to you, this is not a simple "undo blur" button

[@Oficial_Mithin]

KIARA IS WHITE!?????

[@SuviTuuliAllan]

I thought she was American.

[@AlfredEiji]

@@SuviTuuliAllanShe’s Austrian.

[@baronvonbeandip]

​@@AlfredEijivibe check failed

[@Dominik-K]

I really love how you clipped this, you've improved so much Kowkarot. And it's always great to see Kiara talk about this topic🧡

[@abcde2325]

1:51 you need to put a trigger warning for Uki Violeta

[@rinnychor]

Screw Uki. Quit bringing up Nijisanji over these hololive clips just to start drama please. It's so unhealthy obsessing over their every minute like some internet personality creep. Go get a life by doing something healthier or just not stir the pot.

[@ronmastrio2798]

@@rinnychor Nijisister seething.

[@coolnightair4661]

So so true. Sometimes my immersion gets broken and I act out the deception scene in White Chicks where Terry Crews breaks down when he gets the face reveal treatment.

[@thatfly5360]

I love the Transparency Kiara showed, but I need that transparency to apply to hands for my special screenshots folder

[@jippenfaddoul]

Also something to consider - even phone cameras are REALLY good these days. And 1080p/4k youtube quality is definitely good enough to read fingerprints off a video stream. So, yeah, making that just "not a problem" would be very good practice.

[@gmenu8032]

I don't understand this at all. Even if with webcam video compressed through KZbin was high resolution enough quality to get their complete fingerprints what is someone going to do with that? Plant it at a crime scene or something? Fingerprints aren't public records, and why on earth would you choose to identify someone based on fingerprints rather than thousands of hours of their voice or even their face?

[@bruhtholemew]

​@@gmenu8032Something tells me he just thought it sounded reasonable. Nobody's tracing finger prints via KZbin videos.

[@TheCCBoi]

“Skin tones may not match” Gura, sassy black latina confirmed!!!

[@cernunnos8344]

Kiwawa "Yes I'm white" *Uki Violeta breathing loudly*

[@Johnnycpublic]

I appreciate her honesty with the vtubing behind the scenes.

[@MissingMew]

im pretty sure that it counts as having made a lasting impression if my mind went "blur is the cheap option vs accurate 3d model overlaying" because the discussion reminded me of the paragliding and the camping (definitely in the wilderness) videos

[@dankweaboo1105]

2:16 "Dont tell Uki Violeta" LMFAO

[@Crasuk]

Kiara's tangents are the best!

[@NightFlocke]

Kiara casually leaking that some Vtubers, she knows, have a different skin color than their avatars

[@prukutkin]

Cover should do a Hand avatar app so they can use their hands in streams but we see the hands avatar.

[@Temari_Virus]

A number of them have hand tracking already, the only problem is that we can only see their hands, not what they're interacting with

[@hewhoshallnotbenamed5168]

Kiara isn't among my favorite Hololive EN members but I do admire her openness and willingness to talk about touchy subjects within the vtubing culture.

[@captainbirch2.079]

Meanwhile, at IDOL... Rin: Hey chat check out how pale my arms are!

[@Ginfeldi]

Kiara explains hololive company policies while rubbing her face on barbed wire

[@GoatMan-dl5ds]

On the one hand it seems weird like whos gonna recognize a person theyve never mets hands right? But at the same time a group of 4channers found the location of a flag being livestreamed inside somebody's house. They used the light coming in from a window to get the time zone and figured out the country after identifying a type of bug that was seen on stream at one point.

[@Alchemistice]

It's privacy policies. Plain and simple.

[@TheAdmiral14]

I've never really been fond of "enforced privacy." I've seen VTubers say "I can't say this because of privacy" so they go to their alternate account and tell people there. It's possible that it's more about covering legal liability for the company. I'd prefer them being able to share things about themselves if they want to. Or at least if the "privacy" pretense was dropped and we could just start saying it's for legal reasons. I think people don't do that thought because "privacy" is a more defensible term but "legal" can easily have more nefarious implications.

[@ariadame102]

@@TheAdmiral14 What are you on about? Privacy is within the realm of legality. Privacy matter is legal matter. Using "legal" instead of "privacy" would only make it more vague. This "enforced privacy" you mentioned is just confidentiality. All of these are standard practices. They read the terms and signed the contract. These things have been agreed upon between employers and employees. What you prefer is really irrelevant, neither is your opinion on whether the rule is justified.

[@TheAdmiral14]

@@ariadame102 Well, as a customer of a company my opinion is relevant; this is why companies do market research, but anyways. Yes, using legal instead of privacy would make things more vague. That's part of why they do it. The other part is that privacy is easier to defend. It's hard to make an argument for people having less privacy and come out looking okay. That's why they say they do things for privacy reasons. If they say it's for legal reasons - even if it is - it looks like it's more open for debate. Legal does not necessarily mean ethical after all. And I know these are standard practices required by contract. That's the point. That's why I don't like them.

[@indcraft3454]

On the topic of shorts, pirate software has some amazing tips on how to make them appear in people's feeds more often: uncheck "notify subscriber" or something. The algorithm will then push that short to people who are actively watching shorts.

[@G3orge88]

Tenchou always keeping things REAL!

[@SpectrumAnalysis]

People on the internet used star maps, plane flight paths and ambient noise to locate a stream of a flag. They're capable of finding anything given nothing. It's terrifying

[@SenseofNoneYT]

Understandable. In the same vein of Cover terminating contracts with any talent who breaks NDA even when they were on good terms, Cover is also responsible for protecting their privacy. And so long as they're responsible, they're gonna be as strict as they can be. So far, the safest IRL content they can make under Hololive are pre-recorded ones. They even allow Vlogs (such as Bae's strawberry adventure with IRyS, Kiara's camping and paragliding, bungie jumping in Legend of Polka, HoloGamers onsen trip) albeit usually heavily-edited. But livestreams are a different story. I think just the potential to threaten privacy is reason enough for Cover to make a rule about it. It's not that something happened in those handcam streams. It's that nothing has happened yet and it's better to keep it that way.

[@DabbingTaco]

Kiara: “I’m white.” Uki: faints

[@rideronthedrumbeat]

I think she explained this really well. If Hololive didn't have these rules, people like Kiara and Calli (who have both said they're white, just like their models) could show their hands freely, but someone like Ollie (whose skin tone obviously wouldn't match her model) would be forced to wear gloves all the time. Having a standard makes it more fair for everyone.

[@7QWERTY13]

A long time ago, I think Ollie did actually have an accident showing more than she intended, and the reaction was incredibly mean spirited. The incident was painful for her, and every time people suggest that holomems should show more of themselves or "who cares if immersion is broken", I think about that incident. No, you don't want them to show anything, and you don't ever need to see anything. Let them stay safe, let the avatars do their jobs. Being able to stream without being judged for one's appearance is one of vtubing's greatest gifts, and we really need to appreciate what an equalizer it is. We DO NOT need to see anything.

[@zerevv]

@@7QWERTY13 "We DO NOT need to see anything." couldn't agree more

[@imperium35769]

That "we all have white" comment is hilarious tbh

[@embermankfp]

What I got from this tangent is that we were this 🤏close to seeing Jenma's hand.

[@neku2741]

So that's Jenma's hands????? I'm going to go count all the moless now!!!!!!🥵🥵🥵🥵

[@Idiot_Illuminati]

Probably not Jenma, or she would have said so. It's more likely the English new manager who was helping her out the last time she was in Japan.

[@snipe4hireS4H]

It's EruMa's, the british manager lady

[@Mexikirb]

Why did i think this said jerma lmao

[@joeramsay6269]

When she gives an explanation that just as confusing as the hand censorship

[@gazztears2140]

Count moles? damn... Im lucky im just counting their Atoms 💀

[@witext]

I understand now that its more to protect the girls who cant show their hands than it is to protect Kiara in particular so im glad she explained With Kiara I never bought that it was for her protection since most already know how she looks

[@ScoutBostonAnonStuds]

Never under estimate the internet's ability to geo-locate your position based off of the wrinkles in your hand

[@tec5x5]

wawa spit facts

[@beast7842]

we all know the real reason... It's to keep them safe from Yoshikage Kira.

[@gabrielchayle2120]

>More than 100k views >The algorithm wasn't too nice to them

[@NeuronActivation]

The safety concern aspect is absolutely understandable. Theres a lot of crazy fans out there. Willing to take every little detail they see to use and potentially track talents. I remember hearing a story where someone was tracked by the reflection off their eyes.

[@OhGeeGanksta]

If that's the case, don't do any IRL streams. Unless you have some hand tattoo or something, this is absurdly excessive.

[@darkwar232100]

⁠@@OhGeeGankstaSounds more like you think IRL stream lost point if there is no skin exposed, do you even read what you wrote? They are entertainers, not your hand lover slaves.

[@TheStephaneAdam]

@@OhGeeGanksta You don't get to dictate what other people do for their own safety.

[@leadpaintchips9461]

@@OhGeeGanksta Ok, so no one should be filming or streaming anything online, because no one has control over what the unstable has access to or what they would attach their obsession to.

[@icebox1954]

@@leadpaintchips9461 I'd give the same advice to the streamer as I would the obsessed fan. Do what you want and damn the consequences. You only have one life, do whatever you want with it.

[@loserinasuit7880]

I think it was the happenstance of the Gacha. I dont follow Kiara or really any of Hololive recently but I remember getting that short.

[@chrisshorten4406]

Humans are good at spotting all the quartz flecks while missing the vein of gold.

[@Hinatari-chan]

Dang I love it when Kiara gives out talks like this. Hololive certainly cares for their talents so hand censorship is a must if they want to keep things under control. Great clip too capturing Kiwawa being a pro.

[@Dracobyte]

Kiara is so real!!

[@Sybato]

I appreciate that Kiara is willing to be so open with her audience on why certain things are how they are "behind the curtain"

[@arlynnecumberbatch1056]

even saw a video of how a girl taking selfies got her, from her eye reflections wild to think unicorns are real, theyre supposed to be left in the mythical world

[@lolkthnxbai]

Sadly, there are some real creeps and messed up people. For context in Japan (the country where kiara's company is) an idol was stalked and sexually assaulted, the guy was able to figure out where she lives based her twitter timeline about train stations, and the location of her apartment based on the the timestamps and light entering the window and even reflection in her eyes.

[@Helmir]

The eye thing is a myth.

[@blatantslander]

It's called cutting off a potential problematic culture shift (immersion shift), which is why Hololive is very good at managing their talents and knowing what they are doing. Understandable reasons too!

[@Sonicmaster2008]

Kiara's wings are probably too powerful for the human eyes to see. But on a serious note, I do find it understandable for safety reasons.

[@Thesinistereyes1]

2:22 Nagzz

[@igloo_igloo]

Thanks for the clip!

[@Handleoriginal12]

I got so confused when I heard the music. I thought my Spotify playlist started playing

[@olofskivarp]

I found it strange too, but don't really mind Though I'd argue that blurring makes that part more noticeable and brake the "immersion" even more 🤷

[@Katsunai]

One of the several reasons why vtubers should keep hands censored: *Chance of creeps like Kira yoshikage in the audience.*

[@Urkelfights]

Hands censored like a hentay work.

[@alinutzalin6346]

"partially" totally get it! I get it too honestly. Life is already stressful, why make it even more by not being able to go to the grocery store without being stopped every minute and prolly get stalked.

[@TristanDoingGood]

Hands have to be censored so that the hand bandits don't come to steal your hand... IN MARRIAGE!?!?!!?!?!? **Dramatic Lightning** **Shocked Gasp** **Glass Shatters** **More Overly Dramatic Lightning**

[@kamo7293]

0:52 same chicken, same. what does that mean 😂😂