KICKED OUT of Fishing Tournaments for WINNING TO MUCH

[@frankgilroy3189]

Steve, wow what a topic!! I joined a local club to hopefully learn about bass fishing, I’ve boated and fished my whole life, just not bass specific with lures. I know our local waters probably better than anyone boating wise. I fished the first 3 derbs, and won all three . I’m not sure how or why, KZbin research and etc! I’m an old guy, 57, and not a scoper. I was really happy for myself but no one else really was. The crybabies ended up finding some rule violation like did not attend a meeting and voted me out!!! I had to let it all go and went back to my true love, saltwater. It’s a much longer story but that’s the short version!

[@txhuntsman]

I really loathe how soft our society has become. Everybody was given participation trophies all through school and now they think they should still get trophies they did not earn by limiting the best players. This smells of jealousy and HOA type BS.

[@cerebraltackle]

In this case though, it's the older anglers complaining.

[@GetUrFishOn]

Couldn’t agree more!! Cheers!!

[@adamschronk3620]

I agree 100%!

[@FishOutLoud]

I miss my ol friend Dee. The founder of Flippin and Dippin. This is a great video on the history of the 8 foot rule and how it became. The wining has been going on since the late 60's when our sport kinda got started! ;) kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqmwcp1_gdiDarM

[@F.Ronnie]

It just sucks. Happens everywhere. They either ask someone not to come back or treat them so poorly they don’t feel welcome and don’t come back. Thanks Steve.

[@GetUrFishOn]

Yeah and it stinks!! Cheers!!

[@wildfishwildplaces5079]

Absolutely Ridiculous! 100 percent agree with all of your points!!!! This is crazy

[@brianlee9074]

Another example of why I only fish for fun. From pros down to the locals, this kind of BS only hurts the industry. Great video Steve. 🍻✌️🎣

[@lroyson]

What the heck are you really winning if you don't compete against the best? That's lame. And you do have a great channel and a place where all opinions are respected and people who comment respect each other. That is hard to find on youtube these days. Thanks.

[@joshuagreene9976]

Tournament fishing is about rewarding the one that wins no matter what. Then after you win too much you are followed, named a cheater, and/or banned. Not really much fun in it other than the first few times you win and you have a whimsical sense of hope that one day you'll be the next KVD and not have to work a dead end job. The whimsical sense of hope phase varies for everyone, but it is the best part of the tournament chase.

[@neiljohnsen276]

Sounds like Las Vegas. " i' m sorry sir. We are going to ask you to leave. Your strong game is making us uncomfortable..."

[@Hussman-n7h]

Hey Steve. To be honest, I have fished a tournament since the eighties, lol, so I am a little out of touch with what is happening today at the local level. Back then I fished with a partner out if his boat. But I remember the dock talk about certain individuals cheating because no way they were that much better than the rest of us. And there was complaining to officials to try and have teams removed. My partner who was 10 years my senior at the time told guys were just butt hurt about being beat. And I think that still holds true today because people are just people in the end. I remember heading these young bucks called the Johnsons fishing the Ontario circuits long before being in the elites or maybe even the FLW. But if guys head they signed up others would not bother to enroll in the tournament. Some guys are just skilled and that's all. In the end you should not be banded from an open tournament just because you are good at what you do. You just need to step up your game. Ok tight lines. Regards, Steven.

[@nichardenfishing]

You can definitely argue fairness and unfairness on both sides, regardless of your own opinion. I personally would want the guy to fish, but I understand also that it will lead people away from entering those tournaments. There used to be a local club where I live that the same guy won every single tournament. Entries went from 20-25 boats, to only 5 or 6 boats, to having tournaments canceled for only 2 boats showing up, to the whole club disbanding. 2nd place was all over the board and there could have been multiple winners, so it could lead you to think, well if the one guy was told he couldn’t compete, would there still be a club? Still doesn’t change my opinion on allowing the man to fish, but the closest tournaments to this area are a ways off, and the lakes this club fished were within a few miles from my house so I could practice and my work schedule worked perfectly for them.

[@cuivre2004]

The club closing up is likely what they were thinking. They have the right to refuse and entry-it is a privilege-not a "right". Piss one guy off and keep the rest of the membership happy? Nor really a hard decision, regardless of how it looks. Many of these winners aren't really social and helpful people, in my experience-they are money grabbers. Period.

[@fishinganddishingwithdavid]

I fish a local weekly fishing tournament, and there are 2 young studs that fish it as well. You know, the Phoenix boat, live scope and all that. And people joke, there are the guys you got to beat. We have not beat them yet, but we came darn close, we lost the fish that would have won it. Now these guys put the time on the water during the week as well. They are just good anglers. I figure I am donating to the cause, but I enjoy the competition. We have won big bass which is nice as well and generally pays pretty good.

[@martyaustin6545]

If he is not cheating, then he should be able to fish the tournament

[@GetUrFishOn]

He is not cheating just crushing people!! Cheers!!

[@mattthomen1608]

G-man shared a story like this, he went to win on a local club home lake tournament. He intended to win this for a $ he needed to use for an expense.he was denied to compete and was upset.

[@TheSleepyApe]

I played professional golf on a regional level. A majority of my fellow golfers used the same TYPE of equipment as the elite golfers. So we enjoyed the competition. It came down to the persons skill level and technique. In bass fishing, not everyone has the same equipment, and that can be the decider. BUT the rules should be changed if there is a problem. I'm sure the director received a lot of calls from not happy club members.

[@DaTGuY2HoLLyWooD]

Sounds like Bobby Bakewell on the Harris Chain especially now after the classic birth!

[@lancefontenot9448]

This happens all over the place. Fishing against someone really good is part of the competitive challenge and excitement!

[@davidgarner2170]

In our weekly tournament there are 4 to 6 guys that win most of the time and to me that is expected, I have fished with these guys for 35 years and usually place last at the end of the year ( this year was different) I have beat them every once in a while and that is great for me but the main thing is FUN and I enjoy the guys and the friends we have become and yes if I ask questions they respond in a positive manor, it isn't the money for us and yes I am the only one with a 17 ft aluminum boat with a 50 hp and 2 humming bird depth finders ( out of date )

[@herbsteiner1013]

This video takes me down a rabbit hole of questions: is the club tournament one for the official members of the club; i.e. 30 or 40 local guys who fish amongst themselves and their tournament is for them only? Or, is it a tournament open to the general population of anglers? Different situation between the "North Austin Basswhackers" and "Central Texas Bass Tourneys, Inc." Just looking at the first example, I'd say the club president (or secretary or whoever chairs the meetings) should throw the idea open to the club general membership with a secret ballot vote. If it's the second example, I'd want the CEO to talk to an attorney to look at the bylaws. Bottom Line is: Is this about money? Or hurt feelings? Jes' askin', is all... 😅

[@GetUrFishOn]

I think it's about hurt feelings in this case. I think the trail is open to anyone who pays. Herb, this was going to be the video for yesterday, but the angler doesn't want this to be a big deal and I am not sure I should post this. What do you think? Honestly? Thank you!!

[@herbsteiner1013]

@@GetUrFishOn The angler wasn't mentioned by name, so no harm done. You can simply delete the thread and all will dissolve like rings on the water.

[@13thworker45]

When I fished small club tournaments we paid for 12 tournaments up front. We had some good sticks in it , but they slipped from time to time which let other members win. I like the fact that we fished for the same money each month even if anglers were absent. I always strive to be better so when somebody is on a winning streak I want to beat him. It just makes you a better fisherman weather you win or loose. So if you are a member of the organization in good standing you should be able to fish. Thank You

[@dankardash324]

I had the same thing happen to me many years ago when I was guiding full time. My partner and I would win at least 3-4 tournaments a year and the director decided that we were no longer aloud to fish because as a guide we had an unfair advantage. It sucks

[@lightningmusky5286]

Do they suspect he is doing something not legal? Is it just a small local tourney of weekend guys versus maybe a guide or tourney angler that’s on the water far more than they can be? Reduce the $ maybe and see if $25 or $30 tourneys are the way to go. Make more about fun and less about $ so if he wins he wins not that much guys would miss. If one guy is destroying a league you got to make some sort of change before banning a guy.

[@GetUrFishOn]

Think some anglers are just jealous of his success. Cheers!!

[@Steve13lb12oz]

I’ve been on both sides of this situation. Fishing tourneys often and winning with regularity, I was asked not to return. Kinda sucked since I was an average working Joe but I went elsewhere. I’ve been in tourneys where people worked in the industry while I worked my desk job 70 hrs a week. Everyone was about the same but eventually had a few guides on a specific lake start competing when we went to that lake, no other lake. They won with great regularity as you would expect. It pretty much took the fun away from 95% of the people in the tourney and I don’t think the guides were there for the fun….it was just a money grab. No social input at all. I left that group and I heard they asked the guides to stop shortly afterwards but come to other lakes…..they didn’t. Even beyond that, when growing up I used to be in local tourneys from my John boat. I competed but eventually everyone was getting blown away. I grew up in Gainesville and The guy that won it was named Shaw 😂.

[@edwardcowan7012]

When Bass Pro Shops had that million dollar tournament a couple years ago I was not eligible to fish since there rules declared that I was a “pro”! I haven’t fished a pro level event since 2007. In 1991 I was the Federation National Champion. The following year there was talk about not letting “pro” anglers fish the Federation. I didn’t think it was fair in either case. My present club holds some opens and Mike Iocanelli shows up once or twice a year and we are thrilled to have him! If a skilled angler thinks that the event you are putting on is worth fishing you should let him fish!

[@binkwood]

Unless someone is caught cheating, I think it's BS to ban people from fishing. That being said, this kind of thing has been going on as long as I've been fishing local tournaments and I'm 63. Personally it means a lot more to me to do well against someone I know is a great stick. I'm not looking for a participation trophy and/or fishing against anglers that are less experienced... but there are a lot of people that fish tournaments that want exactly that; and easy field to compete against. I don't have any problems with limitations on equipment; i.e. boats, motor size, electronics, or even lures because everyone has the same rules but just banning someone because they are more accomplished is downright babyish.

[@kerryschallon8879]

Question! What if an angler joins a club that is based in a major city. That major city is far away from the lakes the club tournament's are held. Now this angler lives near or on the lakes the tournament's are held? Seems like an unfair edge? Imo

[@Budget_bassin]

Absolutely happened to me. Twice! I never got my membership fee back either.

[@timgallagher6529]

There are so many questions to be asked that can change things around a bit. I think it if pretty fair if the tournament has a "No FFS" rule if thats what they want. Also a "only tin rig" rules. We have an Eletric boat only tournament trail here in NC. I just don't agree with banning people for no real reason other than they are winning? Maybe then up your game. Hopefully this angler finds a better place to compete. I have heard numerous Pros talk about anglers who could dominate the trail but either financially or for other reasons never compete.

[@GetUrFishOn]

Yeah lots of amazing anglers out there. I think the anglers he competes against are jealous.

[@Bretgraves-lx5xs]

Now days the amount you’re able to equip your boat means more than it did 10 or 15 years ago. But if you want to fish to compete you need to understand you have work harder than all the others and going up against fishermen that are better should be the drive to keeps you improving.

[@krum81]

It’s not fair at all , there will Always be one that is better yet that person can be beat . Our best guy dominated all year but got beat in the TOC . Also tournaments are about consistency and collective points I think our 3rd place guy is a non boater but he’s a good fisherman and consistent. As a new tournament fisherman you need to set realistic expectations with the understanding you need to get better. Last year was my first and I had a goal to be top 15 yet I ended up 19th. This year I’ll push for top 10. It’s time to get better not bitch that others are better than me.

[@randymcgee9176]

This happened to Christan Olstrander in a Wednesday night tournament in Modesto California on the Delta nothing but a bunch of whiners. Thanks for sharing

[@1980chardison]

That’s discrimination and game and fish dnr need to be contacted about it. You pay taxes and deserve every right to fish the locals

[@ChrisHenderson-by8lj]

We have grown up fishing against "home water" locals, DFW and East tx Lakes. 100s of Texas guys gone pro. There is printed lingo, verbage in alot of Tournament run trails. Ie....Not eligible to fish this trail if you have fished trails with $350.00 entry fees or above. In Tx, at that time, BFL and BASS opens cost about 350.op, which is what we call semi-pro.. i welcome the competion. Austin, we had mr Leander pro who fished on Travis on his off time. We didnt mind seeing Alton or Clark on the Cen tx local holes in the winter.

[@Propdodgerkayakfishing]

This happened in other sports. For example, during Saban’s Bama great days, a lot of college football felt that way. There have been baseball players that dealt with the samething. Suck it up princess!

[@cerebraltackle]

I should have went with this story more than a month ago when it came up... NEVER AGAIN! 🤣🤣

[@J.L.ScottFishing]

😂😂😂

[@GetUrFishOn]

I expect a much better video from you! Cheers!!

[@cerebraltackle]

@@GetUrFishOn I don't know about "better"... Maybe not as nice. 🤣

[@GetUrFishOn]

@ it’ll be great let’s agree on that bro

[@cerebraltackle]

@GetUrFishOn you're alright! I appreciate you!

[@livingmissourisoutdoor6815]

Money does make a difference but the fishermen catches the fish. I won a tournament out of a 85 bass tracker bought the night before. Anglers choice first tournament ever on Wappapello Lake.

[@MJ_Bass]

It’s a no win situation for the tournament director. You either appease the whiners and ban the dominant guy, or you watch participation drop. On the other hand if you enter a local Tuesday nighter and win the vast majority of the nights maybe it’s time to move up to the next level and let those guys have more balanced competition. It’d be like letting a touring pro golfer play in the local men’s league.

[@fisherman7275]

So some tournaments don't allow certain people who have won and competed on bigger events and will not let them enter and cherry pick their events for a payday. Some tournaments are 'Weekend guys" who can't afford to fish the bigger tournaments, but have moved past fishing just club level events. If an organization says sorry move on, it's time for you to move up and fish bigger events. But some wanna be a big fish in a small pond.

[@codythron5307]

Well you must support pro athletes competing with collage teams. You must also support guys competing against girls. That’s why there are different “ classes” in just about any sport.

[@cuivre2004]

They may realize that people will quietly quit participating in the tournaments-without bitching and whining. Then the tournament series will totally die. The guy who wins all the time should show better sportsmanship and impose his own "mercy rule". What good would it be if the series shuts down due to lack of participation? That is what has happened to many clubs-this club it just trying to prevent their club from becoming defunct.

[@johnm2617]

We had a dude that came into our club ! He won alot ! But not everyone! Certain guys didn't want him fishing! My buddy runs the club * and wouldn't do it < That guy makes you a better fisherman! Now go beat him ! He is good at FFS ! And were older dudes * But their lakes we all have fished forever! Here in PA ! Peace !

[@J.L.ScottFishing]

Keep in kind these clubs cannot do that in many states on public water. Most do t know but there is language in some states that dont recognize "private" events on public water 🤔

[@GetUrFishOn]

Great insight bro!! Ty Cheers!!

[@JeffFittsFishing-db8fc]

I know the feeling. But I want to beat the very best and cash checks.

[@GetUrFishOn]

Exactly you’re a pro!! Hope the wifey is doing good. Cheers!!

[@briananthony3221]

I agree to a point but when a man doesn’t have a job and can fish 4 or more days a week. It’s not fair to the guys that have to work 5 days a week and fish Saturday. If he’s that good he should move up a level. JMO.

[@ericsagel29]

There are two sides every story. It is possible that his winning is not the only factor. Getting both sides is a better way to fully form an opinion. However if it is solely because of winning then he should want to move on to a club with better people in it.

[@heinrichkellogg7563]

🍺👍🤠 Mike Brueggen.

[@j.t.h3091]

Just because you have an expensive boat and expensive electronics doesn't guarantee you can fish. I see people in small boats and older boats do well all the time. The fish don't sit around thinking..hmm maybe I'll take a ride in a new Skeeter today...maybe it's nicer than that basscat last Saturday..lol

[@russwilliams484]

You just talked about a guy that was cheating his ass off while telling everyone he was just better than the rest of the anglers. I just think there's more cheating going on in the local tournaments than people realize!!!!!

[@GetUrFishOn]

I don’t think I mentioned that he was caught cheating at all. People might have thought that but he didn’t. This angler wasn’t crushing other anglers and they wanted him out. So confused. Cheers!!

[@russwilliams484]

@GetUrFishOn I know you didn't mention he was cheating! We had a guy winning night tournaments every weekend for about 9 weeks straight on Tablerock and we all knew the sucker was cheating! Mill Creek tournaments on Tablerock has some hammers, so for him to win was more than suspicious! A lot of the guys were talking and getting really angry and he just disappeared all of a sudden! But they didn't want him back the following year either!

[@mikehiggins7392]

The magic word FAIR , my opinion it's based on every angler being able to compete and when certain technology is not considered fishing and or to expensive for most there has to be rules made for everyone to make it FAIR, club directors know by now that FFS is a big problem and needs to be addressed, just because you are allowed to use something doesn't make it right, that's what club meetings are for to discuss issues that comes up among anglers, l fish tournaments ,been doing them for 30 years , l am not a ffs fan but there should be some kind of agreement that makes it fair for all, not one scoper will help in th is matter, it's the non scopers trying to even the playing field, tells me the scopers are in it for the money and lost sight of what it's all about , l never hear a scoper try to help in this matter at any level of tournaments fishing

[@rockytopkg]

*too

[@matthewweimer42]

*Too

[@staceywarren2732]

Sounds like the losers are crying about not getting a trophy,everyone deserves a trophy,NO hard work pays off and the other anglers are not putting in the time or work.

[@jaredleicht1656]

Easy answer. Let the best kid on Toho go against the elite series in Florida. Let him enter the one event. Don't make him mortgage his house to travel the whole country doing 8 tournaments. Because he will never do that. So it's lost money to BASS and lost opportunity to him. And don't make him beat up on local guys who aren't that good. Allow him to showcase his talents what he knows about Florida bass. The best of the best on any lake should be the winner. Not the best of the traveling guys. Cody's money is green. Let him enter. Nobody knew who Brandon Palanick was when he was just a federation guy. There is untapped talent all over the country.

[@GetUrFishOn]

@@jaredleicht1656 this angler wasn’t Cody but another angler whom I don’t remember his name since im not at the house. Cody is fishing thr opens.

[@jaredleicht1656]

@GetUrFishOn Ya I know. You said his name was Matt. But you don't know him or if he is good or not so I used the other kid as an example. Let the boys fish. 100 extra boats at 5grand a pop is a half million dollars added to the prize money each event. These guys say pro fishing isn't profitable. Well, this is how it becomes profitable again. By paying 5grand entry fee and winning 300k in 4 days.

[@russwilliams484]

So here's my question. How is that when PROS come to your lake several times a year and don't win tournament after tournament, but you have a guy that fishes the local tournaments that's not a pro and yet he wins every tournament! Just makes me wanna cry cheater, but I could be wrong!

[@johnlantz7278]

Truthfully I enjoyed the fact they thought I was cheating even after they watched me all day .lack of skill on your part means get better or take up golf ⛳️

[@brianlee9074]

It happens in golf too. I've played for a long time and witnessed it there.

[@stephenbeaver2035]

In some sports they call that cherry picking. You don’t want to play the local basketball tournament against Michael Jordon. I was in sports all my life. The athletes that did not move up to the next level. To intentionally win every event. Have always been looked down upon. Like you mentioned. You always want to go against the best. If someone is winning every time. Then it is time for them to move up to prove themselves. However I do not think they should be kick out. Rather questioned why are they not moving up. Maybe add a repeat winner division. So they can still enjoy the local tournament. But fish against like skilled anglers.

[@davidgosper4517]

There's always, politics in clubs, regardless, if $ is involved. When tournaments are teams, there's always skill, equipment differences, that are judged by some founding members. Have seen it, many times, over many clubs, in several states, from 10 boats, to 40 boats. Some are money, and some were not. I'm as competitive, as anyone, even when my wife, and me fish. I tell where and what to use, and she beats me, from the back of the boat, sometimes, because her wiggle is better. Maybe, the bikini, and my rod choice.

[@chriscurtis8577]

I know it never happened to me I want to let you know who the young man is

[@DLPfishing]

Why join a club if you’re not planning to get better at what you do? Fishing is an expensive hobby, you’re better off calling a few buddies and meet up at the pond. Boats are $70,000 + trucks the same so clubs are definitely out the picture so even if you’re winning every tournament you’re still losing on the other end. It’s good for the industry but bad for the working individual who would like to travel and test your skills

[@russwilliams484]

Maybe he doesn't want it to be a big deal because he's not winning honestly and doesn't want attention drawn to him. Just saying!

[@robertavila4810]

I bet you that tournament Director voted for Kamala😂😂😂

[@OriginalTailhunter]

Too

[@kasenisfishing]

If u cant beat them kick them out… sounds like a great solution lol how embarrassing good video as always

[@kasenisfishing]

Oh also heres something u can cover if u think it has enough substance to do a video on a poacher shot 18 big-giant bass with a spear gun at a lake called lady bird here in austin. 76.05 pounds for 18 bass, thats an average of 4.22 pounds a fish the biggest look 7-9 pounds

[@Jbj1234n]

If hes not cheating who cares let him fish quit crying and step up your game

[@eugenefoster9120]

This guy might be not as good as they think he just my be to damn lucky if you know what I mean

[@1980chardison]

So if the local tournament director has kicked someone or any number of fishing league to fish. Then as that guy I’d go ripping around the lake and mess it up for the local tournament period

[@dann.294]

If it’s a guy with a 150,000$ bass boat , fishing against local guys in much lesser equipment, I think it’s fair to politely ask him to stop .

[@OptimisticFloppyDisc-bz6qi]

The dude you're talking about is considered a pro because he fishes the opens . I'm my opinion that's not technically a pro and should not keep him from fishing . Ac is his initials

[@1980chardison]

That’s discrimination and game and fish dnr need to be contacted about it. You pay taxes and deserve every right to fish the locals