Kid Buu Vs. Buuhan | The FINAL Deep Dive

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@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

take a shot everytime you hear me say the word outright😭

@StummyTicklePickle 2 ай бұрын

Toriama said buuhan is stronger

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

@@StummyTicklePickle show me

@ketchupchugger 2 ай бұрын

@@StummyTicklePickle Where

@Zakurai-m1z 2 ай бұрын

@@StummyTicklePickle when did he said that?

@kl300s 2 ай бұрын

@@StummyTicklePickle he NEVER said that😭😭🙏

@stoptoxicity2222 25 күн бұрын

1.Super Buu has memories of Kid buu because remember, Super Buu has memories of Fat Buu and Fat Buu remembers being sealed by Bibidi which was why Fat Buu was following Babidi's orders. So Buutenk's statement about him being the strongest would definitely take Kid Buu into account. 2. Goku didn't even realize that he was weaker inside buu's body until after he made the statement of them being killed by Super buu if they left his body because when Super buu appears in front of goku and vegeta inside his body, Goku tries to blow a hole through Super Buu's body to try and escape and was surprised that it didn't work. Why would Goku be surprised if he had already known that they were weaker due to their size? 3. The El Manga Legendario states that Kid Buu returned to his most violent but not so strong form and that Gohan and Gotenks could beat Kid Buu 4. Buutenks was trying to kill Goku sure, but you can see in their fight that he wasn't even taking Goku seriously while Goku was completely scared. Also how exactly does goku being disappointed that Gohan could defeat Buucolo prove that he's stronger than Gohan? He was probably disappointed due to them no longer needing fusion to defeat Buu. 5. Koyama never said that Kid Buu was stronger than Buuhan he literally said the opposite that Buuhan was stronger. 6. You didn't mention this in your video but I've heard people say that Goku and Vegeta got stronger throughout the Buu arc due to them fighting Gohan and Gotenks inside Buu's body. That scene doesn't really prove anything because the same Goku that fought Ultimate Gohan said that they'd be killed by Super Buu if they left his body unless Super buu is somehow stronger than Gohan and gotenks now. I can definitely see why you think Kid buu is stronger but there are arguements for Super buu as well which is why this debate has gone on for so long. Maybe Db Daima can clear this up since its directly after the Buu arc but who knows.

@LeKidderface 2 ай бұрын

Mfs talking about kid buu fighting equally with ssj3 goku, like Buu wasn’t emoting the whole time

@deaddead2783 Ай бұрын

Fr and this goku not only had a zeanki but is literally in the kaioshin realm meaning ssj3 doesn't have the serious drawbacks

@blueblob8630 Ай бұрын

@@deaddead2783 Goku literally stated SSJ3 was draining his stamina because he wasn’t dead…. Not because of the realm he’s in. Yet he was still fighting evenly with Buu despite having a drawback and still afterwards saying “Yeah if I go full power SSJ3 I can destroy him”. He gauged his strength fatigued and said “easy money”.

@kl300s Ай бұрын

@@blueblob8630 "“Yeah if I go full power SSJ3 I can destroy him”", he never said that, wrong.

@blueblob8630 Ай бұрын

@ Dragon ball Vol. 42 Ch. 510 Vegeta: if you build up your ki while you are a super Saiyan 3 you can destroy him in an instant Goku: Yeah that’s what I’m trying to do but I haven’t had a chance to do it yet. I’ll need to POWER UP FOR A MINUTE TO DEFEAT HIM Goku then finds out because he’s alive he loses ki because of the drain on SSJ3 when not dead. Loud and wrong please go reread

@deaddead2783 Ай бұрын

@blueblob8630 and yet he was literally proven wrong and stated at the start of dbs he couldn't beat buu alone which already shuts down that statement

@spookydookie4059 2 ай бұрын

This doesn't make any sense though. For Kid Buu to be stronger than Buuhan, that means whenever buu absorbs someone he gets weaker. When we know for a fact that Kid Buu gets stronger when absorbing someone that's why he was feared, because if Kid Buu meant someone stronger than him he would absorb them. Think about it logically, if Kid Buu absorbs Ultimate Gohan is Kid Buu now weaker?

@LeKidderface 2 ай бұрын

The first person buu absorbed was the kai

@om9959 Ай бұрын

You really didnt read it properly.Kid buu was nerfed when he absorbed the kaioshin.The same kid buu who pushed a spirit which every single z fighters combined.Spirit bomb by itself stated be strongest energy ever and a krytonite for kid buu.Stronger than fodder buuhan who only absorbed half as much people.Kid buu is a deity with god ki who was sealed away by grand kai absorbtion and cheap personality without god ki took over called super buu.Super buu has nothing to do with kid by stated by superbuu himself other both sharing same body similar too kurama and naruto.

@blueblob8630 Ай бұрын

@@om9959 1.) Kid Buu does not have access to his god kai lol it is an active nerf to him but fat buu was only removed later in the battle. He wasn't nerfed Goku was stalemating him but couldn't get passed the regeneration. Vegeta even says in order to do lasting damage against Buu you would need another Buu. Goku also says "I thought I was close to full ki but it's actually getting SMALLER" and then notes later SSJ3 is too much drain on him hence where the complication came from. 2.) Majiin Buu can scream holes in dimensions, Buuhan got so mad he almost destroyed the universe with his anger alone, but then you see Kid Buu yell and slightly shake the ground yet he's the strongest..????? Where's the logic. You said Vegito never needed to go SSJ then you see him transform SSJ when Buuhan gets mad enough to destory the universe and get visibly pushed back well into their fight. Kid Buu struggles against SSJ3 not at full power. Even worse when in the manga Vegito went into SSJ IMMEDIATELY proving even further that the fusion was the upper limits in power when it came to the Buu saga. Are we saying SSJ3 Goku is stronger than Super Vegito now?!! Gets even funnier when SSJ3 Goku in the manga literally screams "N-Noooo!" as Buutenks charges at him. He was about to get killed mercilessly if Buutenks didn't adopt Gotenks personality and he knew it 😆 3.) Buutenks was stated to be the strongest majiin both PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE by multiple guides and by himself. He absorbs A SSJ3 + fusion then Ultimate Gohan who Goku admits inferiority to MULTIPLE TIMES as well as Buuhan himself saying he's EVEN STRONGER than Buutenks and mind you Gohan is stronger than this SSJ3 Gotenks who Majin Buu was losing against when serious and had formed a plan to wait for Gohan and stall for absorption as he "could not let a being stronger than him exist". Goku inside Majin Buu said himself they need potara for MAJIN BUU because if they left him AND Vegeta would die immediately. But then after SSJ2 Vegeta can just stall Kid Buu? SSJ3 Goku said he could outright just kill him if he was back at full power the only reason the genkidama was used was because Vegeta SUGGESTED that they use the people of the Earth's energy. 4.)No...simply no in the manga it's made clear that the genkidama needs to be DETONATED. Goku did not have the energy to detonate it hence why Buu was able to catch it. Once his energy is restored and he goes ssj he puts his hand up to blow it up! This is what killed Kid Buu. The genkidama only takes fractions of peoples energy not "Oh if it was just all of Gohans ki in that genkidama why didn't Kid Buu get instantly deleted if he's stronger?". 4.) Super Buu literally has knowledge of both past, present, and future as he's the amalgamation of Fat Buu, The kaioshin, and the Malicious Buu. He even said "if you remove the Fat Buu I won't be MYSELF anymore" So saying they're seperate is plain ignorance when he himself says otherwise. 5.) Goku is not stronger than Gohan. He says Buucollo can be handled by Gohan... That's it. He says that because what can Buu do to him? Gohan is RIGHT there and Goku himself saw Gohan whoop Majin Buu earlier so he relaxed and said "Imma let my mans handle this" NOT "oh he's too weak for me now Gohan step up". 6.) The reason they call it the "battle of the strongest" is because it is a battle FOR the sake of the Universe it is a title they gave him after being the one who vanquished Kid Buu who terrorized everybody else. They also gave Gohan "Mightiest Warrior Gohan" in Daizenshuu 2 so like does that title mean anything? No not really.

@om9959 Ай бұрын

@@blueblob8630GOKU NEVER EVER STALEMATED KID BUU AT ALL!!!.GOKU NEVER REALIZED KID BUU TRUE POWER UNTIL SPIRIT BOMB. BUTENKS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH KID BUU.KID IS NOT MAGIN BUU.HE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PERSON.SUPER BUU DIED WHEN KID BUU ARRIVED.

@blueblob8630 Ай бұрын

@ He realized his true power during the fight then tagged Vegeta in and said he could instantly destroy Kid Buu if he charges up to full power🤦🏾‍♂️. Vegeta said if Majin Buu was removed from Super Buu regardless of what would happen after he’d be weaker. But anyways then when Goku realized “oh shoot ssj3 drains my ki and it’s lowering” he resorted to the spirit bomb and Shenron wish. He was fatigued because of Buus regeneration but he was still confident he could blow Kid Buu away. But then Super Buu is a problem and has him scared enough to want to fuse with Hercule or Dende? When in the databooks supposedly “Buutenks is on the same level as SSJ3” but then Goku runs from him and is BEGGING Gohan to get the potato’s before he’s brutally killed? Sometimes we have to read the source material gang.

@Rika-sensei 2 ай бұрын

Kid Buu doing a better job at Destruction than Beerus lol

@metal87power 2 ай бұрын

Actually, Beerus role isn't mindless destruction of the universe, but keeping balance and eliminating unworthy planets. GofD tests mortals.

@Rika-sensei 2 ай бұрын

@metal87power I love not being able to make a joke without someone correcting me

@Rararere12-t2x 27 күн бұрын

Bro, try not to destroy planets carelessly because there are rules, when he destroyed a planet he only destroyed half of it.😅

@randomguyz8784 Күн бұрын

kid buu should be the next god of destruction but he got reincarnated.

@BasedKuuTooGourmet 2 ай бұрын

My Arguments for Kid Buu First , Kid Buu vs Super Buu. In the manga and the manga data books, SS3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan were capable of utterly foddering Super Buu with ease, this meaning that Super Buu doesn’t scale to any of the new generation. (Excluding Goten and Trunks) In the El Manga Legendario (A official Spanish guide for Dragon ball that was released by Toei) its stated and narratively implied that none of the Z Fighters could defeat Kid Buu one on one, saying that it would require teamwork to do so. And Teamwork in Dragon Ball makes the characters stronger as stated by Belmod. In the Anime and Anime Databooks, Goku states that Kid Buu is the strongest person he’s ever fought. In the anime. Goku fought fake Warrior Gohan who was stated to be equal to the true Gohan by Goku himself. Goku also fought the likes of Buutenks and Buuhan. Considering Gohan was bopping Super Buu in the anime and that Buutenks and Buuhan are logically above Super Buu as they are literally treated to be massive amps, it’s safe to say that Kid Buu comfortably scales above that of Base Super Buu. “GOKU WAS AFRAID OF SUPER BUU BUT NOT KID BUU!” Goku said that if him and vegeta went out “Like this” they would be killed, Goku was referring to the weaker state that both him and Vegeta were in due to being forcefully shrunk in size. It was stated in Daizenshuu 10 that Goku and Vegeta were lowered to 1/100th of their true strength and it was stated in Daizenshuu 7 that Vegito is the only character that can’t be weakened by being shrunk. To say that Goku knew he would return to his original size would require more evidence considering that there is no indication that he had such knowledge. “SUPER BUU IS A FUSION” Buu’s absorption’s are not linear as he they can also make him weaker, Fat Buu is a fusion yet he was getting his ass beat by Kid Buu. Your point? Now that I’ve established Kid Buu being greater than Super Buu. I’ll explain Buuhan. On numerous occasions, over and over, stated in numerous guides and said numerous times in the Anime. Kid Buu is the ultimate Majin and the strongest opponent yet. There’s hardly any statements for Buuhan being the strongest opponent in Z besides to 2 random ones which pale in comparison to the evidence supporting Kid Buu on being the strongest. Kid Buu Statements Dende from the DBS Manga states that Kid Buu was the strongest opponent they faced in Z. Old Kai stating Buu is the most dangerous which is referring to his power, as Kibito states that Kid Buu lost power by absorbing power then the Old Kai states “the small one over there… is the first, most dangerous one.” Goku had said a lot things about Kid Buu they fought. “You sure are strong. Huh? More than I imagined.” “If I had known it would’ve been like this, I would have put you away for when we were Vegito.” “Damnit not even Super Saiyan 3 can keep up.” “If only we had the potara.” DBZ KAl Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous, and powerful version of himself? Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form." This is all in reference to a suppressed Kid Buu before he grew stronger by spitting out Fat Buu who wasn’t trying at all with Goku or Vegeta until the Spirit Bomb. Dragon Ball Z Fact Files dictate that even though Kid Buu is the smallest and most childlike of all of the Buu's, he possesses the most power and ability in comparison to the previous versions of Buu. Koyama might have said that he thinks Buuhan is stronger but he has no actual say in the Buu Saga part of the anime and that’s just his opinion of it. Agreeing with him on this is simply an appeal to false authority. (He later admitted to Kid Buu being stronger as well) in the Manga Vegeta says that no one else in the entire Universe could fight Kid Buu. (This is him being aware of Gohan and Gotenks btw) this is further backed by multiple guidebooks claiming Kid Buu and Goku to be the strongest. Kid Buu has better feats, more statements and more creditability to him being the strongest Majin. The anime CONSTANTLY pushes the idea of Kid Buu being the strongest, even verbatim explaining that it’s “absolute” that he’s the most powerful Majin? Sounds like to me that they’re telling Buuhan supporters that he’s not the strongest, it’s not debatable. Even with the absence of the anime we can turn to the guides and we get the same results. V-Jump even explains that Buuhan is actually relative to SS3 Goku. In comparison a full power SS3 Goku is incapable of defeating Kid Buu. This paired with the fact that Kid Buu was trolling Goku the entire time throughout their fight should comfortably place him above SS3 Goku, leading us to Kid Buu > SS3 Goku ~ Buuhan.

@BasedKuuTooGourmet 2 ай бұрын

My argument for Kid Buu vs Vegito (Theoretical) Kid Buu Vs Vegito Basically Elder Kai is not credible with how Potara Earrings work with mortal’s because he was pre judging it based on Gods, meaning he has no say in how it would work on mortal’s because he’s only seen it on gods. He doesn’t have full experience and knowledge of the Potara Earrings, evidence being his lack of knowledge of the Potara time limit, his assumption that they would never surpass Vegito but that’s incorrect because they surpass those levels when it comes to the spirit bomb. (If not there then in God form during B.O.G) Vegito’s only scaling to Kid Buu would be someone who’s completely inferior to him through Buuhan, scaling him to Kid Buu wouldn’t be credible due to Elder Kai’s inexperience and lack of knowledge of the Potara’s effect on mortals specifically. Kid Buu was not struggling with Pushing back a Universal Spirit Bomb, but Vegito was struggling with Buuhan’s Universal Shout. I’d say that Buuhan fight Vegito isn’t comparable to full power kid buu, but a hypothetical SS3 Buuhan fight Vegito could contend with him, or a Kid Buu fight Vegito could possibly contend.

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

the fact you had to do this when my vid covers all except kai is crazy. just goes to show how braindead and stubborn these buuhan fans TRULY are

@BasedKuuTooGourmet 2 ай бұрын

@@hystor1c NO LIE🙏🏾😂 Just gotta double down no matter what

@dolphin-studio 2 ай бұрын

fat buu is not a fusion when he drops kid buu and everyone else the only one that remains was the good guy but hence that is consifered the weakest version of buu. dude if ss3 goku was relative to buutenks he would of fought him. the statements about kid buu bring the strongest are marketing material and nothing more i can bring up prior examples were said about cell and frieza at their times, nothing special. i can keep going about those specific scan statements. nothing about the goku vs kid buu fight states that kid buu is that much stronger than him at all even if you say he was holding back that would make zero sense. there are instances where kid buuu gets extremly pissed and if he was that strong he would at least tap goku strong enough to amke him cough for air. dbz works by the numbers and you fail to understand hte basics the addition of kid buu fighters makes him stronger. also if super buu was afraid to not be himself how does he know that why is he afraid it means something happens that he wont be himself, but you dont just imply that out of nowehere. it means that either understands the naure of the problem or it has happened before. also super buu says the bnirth of the strongst majin period dude.

@BasedKuuTooGourmet 2 ай бұрын

@@dolphin-studio I would respond to this but this doesn’t refute anything, also how would you prove that every claim for Kid Buu being the strongest is “marketing material” when most of these references and guides were released years after the main anime and manga ended😂😂😂 ungodly amounts of cope.

@SonZackSSJ9k 24 күн бұрын

Tbf Me and the Might of Geburah have been debating Buuhan tards and it caused the writer of the thread not ONLY have the audacity to block me but make a 30 post thread on why Kid Buu is the strongest lmao.

@SSJRyu1 2 ай бұрын

Nah, sorry fam but gotta disagree with the Buutenks claim. He remembers Gohan from when he was fat Buu, and Vegeta as well. Also Fat Buu only listened to Babidi since he remembered being selaed and controlled by Bibidi back in the day when he was Kid Buu. Buutenks is objectively stronger than Kid Buu according to himself in the manga and anime. Also Koyama doesn't say Kid Buu is stronger, that is a misinterpretation, he was refering to the person asking the question having that stance. He in fact said twice Buuhan is stronger even when shown the kid buu screen caps. Also statements about being the strongest Buu can easily be explained as refering to the pure versions or Buu in general as a whole, as absorbtions can be considered outside power ups and majin Buu can denote any or all forms. The only way you dont contradict the statements in the anime or manga is to place Buutenks above Kid Buu, who he would have been refering to as one of his weaker forms. That way Kid Buu is the strongest pure version while Buutenks claim is still accurate surpassing Kid Buu with an external power up.

@ojpickle5923 2 ай бұрын

Yeah that's also why fat Buu (even after losing most his strength post split) was still doing about as well as Vegeta which wouldn't make sense if Goku and Vegeta got a power up in order to compete with a stronger kid Buu.

@SuperiorGokuGT 2 ай бұрын

Buutenks’ statement is very contradictory and arrogant to the point where it shouldn’t be used. That would mean that he is stronger than Buuhan which we all know is not true. There’s other statements from Koyama who said that Kid Buu is the strongest version of Majin Buu. And Koyama literally went back on that Buuhan statement, and said that he was only referring to the transformation forms.

@BasedKuuTooGourmet 2 ай бұрын

He spoke about this comment in the live stream.

@rubbergod3052 2 ай бұрын

Bro what ? Fat doesn't renember when he was Kid Buu, and Kid buu wasn't manipulated by Babidi at all. Kid buu was doing destroying everything before badidi was born. So Super Buu doesn't renember when he was Kid Buu. The fact you believe that Buutenks and Buuhan are stronger than Kid Buu in anime just shown how Buuhantards are delusional as hell when Goku himself and the narrator stated multiple time that Kid Buu is the strongest forms.. You can still cope harder buddy. Goku literally said if Mr Satan and Fat buu didn't help us. Kid Buu was going to kill us all, including Gohan and Gotenks. Ssj1 Goku literally beat clone of Ultimate Gohan who has the same strength as the true ultimate Gohan bruh.

@mattcoorey2580 2 ай бұрын

@@BasedKuuTooGourmet what live stream? I’m curious to what he said

@RedMoonLoop 2 ай бұрын

I mean the core of this argument all actually comes down to goku vs gohan. Too many people believe gohan is stronger than ssj3 goku and in turn apply that to buuhan. In their mind how can buuhan be weaker than kid buu when gohan is stronger than goku who fought evenly with kid kid buu.

@ohhellwhereami2574 2 ай бұрын

@@RedMoonLoop movie goku washes ultimatehan like a scrub but anime HIM han is goated

@aka-fusion8909 2 ай бұрын

Me watching this video made me rmb how clean the ssj2 goku vs kid buu fight is

@usuario15965 2 ай бұрын

Lil bro has never watched any official db material What's clear: 1)Mystic Gohan is stronger than Super Buu. 2)SSJ3 Goku is about as strong as Kid Buu. Ways I can prove Gohan's superiority: Prove Super Buu is stronger than SSJ3 Goku: While inside Buuhan, Goku and Vegeta detach Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo from their pods and Buu reverts to Super Buu: Evidence 1. Goku says: "Even though he's back to normal, he's far too strong for us!". Goku admits Super Buu is superior to the combined efforts of unfused Goku and Vegeta. 2) Prove Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu: Once Goku and Vegeta escape from Buu as he's transforming to Kid Buu, it is true they see a bulked-up Buu and Goku comments that Buu's ki is rising. After his transformation is completed: Evidence 2. Goku says they can handle Kid Buu. After Goku just confidently claimed they could not defeat Super Buu, Goku and Vegeta laugh at Kid Buu's abilities. It's true they haven't seen his abilities yet, but later during combat: Evidence 3. Vegeta says "While SS3 at full power, you can destroy him in an instant". Even if Vegeta isn't quite right, it's clear Goku is close to Kid Buu's strength despite being clearly outmatched by Super Buu. Proving either of these would be sufficient to show Mystic Gohan is superior, but there is clear evidence for both. I invite discussion/rebuttal, but IMO it's very clear

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

@@usuario15965 are you talkin bout yourself? cus we can debate. Hystor1c is my discord

@delix787 2 ай бұрын

I never understood how this could be a long debate. It was stated so many times that kid Buu was on other levels from so many episodes like how many times does the show have to keep reminding you that he’s above all the other villains as well? 😂

@Chris_HT 2 ай бұрын

Maybe because some DB watchers think that absorbing = getting stronger, which is valid, and the fact that if your not as detail oriented on quotes, it’s easy to misunderstand how Buuhan (who needed fusion to beat) is stronger than Kid Buu (who we see fight SSJ3) ^Im not saying Kid Buu < Buuhan, I’m saying that on a face value someone can make this assumption easily

@Pack52022 2 ай бұрын

Anime dubs has many contradictions so we can't take everything face value while the manga is blatantly obvious buuhans stronger

@teezy786 2 ай бұрын

Because it's totally illogical. How did Goku get thousands of times stronger between his fight with Fat Buu and his fight with Kid Buu?

@Chris_HT 2 ай бұрын

@@teezy786 I mean, fusion, fighting in general, narrative implications, the fact Goku wanted Gohan to handle Buu knowing he could full well beat Buu on his own, if it truly was a threat beyond him, being relaxed like that just for the future gen to handle it makes sense. But he only reacts when Gohan is absorbed, in which he needs fusion. Goku has the same statements or more in favor for Kid Buu as he does for Buuhan, he wished he fused against Kid Buu, and it’s made clear that Kid Buu was toying with everyone.

@teezy786 2 ай бұрын

@@Chris_HT So: Ultimate Gohan was absolutely washing Super Buu. Buu then absorbs Gotenks and begins to beat the piss out of Gohan. He straight up says hes the strongest Majinn ever. Goku appears and is telling Gohan to fuse so they can beat Buutenks. He knew how strong he himself was and somehow you think he got thousands of times stronger with a zenkai of some kind? Zenkais are only from near death experiences. Vegeta straight up said that the ones on Namek were unusual and even then Goku only went from 90k - 3mil. Are you saying Goku got a huge zenkai even bigger than the unusual ones on Namek? from just the fusion? If so why didn't Vegeta do better against Kid Buu if he got it too? Goku also said he can't hold SSJ3 because he doesn't have a dead body so the fusion thing isn't the smoking gun you think it is. Goku has said multiple times SSJ3 drains his stamina too much. He was about to finish Buu before he dropped the form.

@afro025 2 ай бұрын

16:26 Where did this "majority" even come from? There's only one confirmed case of Buu becoming weaker by absorbing someone, and that's from absorbing the Grand Supreme Kai. Every other time we see Buu absorb someone, he becomes stronger. Super Buu is stronger than Buu, Buutenks is stronger than Super Buu, and Buuhan is stronger than Buutenks. All Kibito Kai says is that Buu's power was reduced by obtaining a *heart* from absorbing the Grand Supreme Kai. He doesn't gain a "heart" by absorbing Gohan or Gotenks or anyone else, nor do we know just how much weaker Buu is by absorbing the South Supreme Kai (is it half of his power? a tiny fraction? this nerf could've been neutralized when Evil Buu ate Majin Buu for all we know), so how is this proof that "as a matter of fact, a majority of them made him weaker"? That's just disingenuous.

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

@@afro025 what's disingenuous is you nitpicking my point and the pieces of evidence on screen bc NO. Kid Buu absorbed 2 kais both affected him. South Supreme Kai made him both stronger but also gave him a piece of his soul which made him weaker, then the Lord of Lords got absorbed and it made him MUCH weaker and changed him into a COMPLETELY different entity. that's a majority. no absorption of the Z fighters drastically changed Buu. just made him stronger.

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

@@afro025 you also didn't prove the nerf would be a "tiny fraction" and seeing as how he goes from being inferior to SSJ3 Goku until he absorbs gotenks to completely overpowering him and only allowing him to attack as kid buu, the nerf was pretty big.

@afro025 2 ай бұрын

@@hystor1c I didn't nitpick anything, that's literally your entire argument for why you think Buuhan absorbing characters like Gohan and Gotenks doesn't make him stronger than Kid Buu. And, no, that's wrong. The South Supreme Kai didn't make Buu turn into fat Buu like you claim in the video, that's just objectively wrong (I too made that mistake, which is why I edited the comment to fix it, but I should've double checked instead of listening to what you said in the video). In chapter 508 of the Dragon Ball manga, Kibito Kai says that absorbing the South Supreme Kai made him Super Buu, while absorbing the Grand Supreme Kai made him Fat Buu. They never once say that the South Supreme Kai made him any weaker, it's just the Grand Supreme Kai. So, no, that isn't a majority, that's a *minority.* Only ONE character Buu absorbed made him weaker, while everyone else, South Supreme Kai, Piccolo, Gotenks, and Gohan, all made him stronger. Reread my comment, because I never claimed the nerf was a "tiny fraction", I only questioned if it was. We literally don't know how big or small the nerf was, nor do we know when that nerf was neutralized. So using that as proof to argue that Kid Buu is stronger than Buuhan is disingenuous, we don't have enough information to make such a claim. If you want to continue this, then do it on discord. I sent a friend request.

@om9959 Ай бұрын

@@afro025it is specifially stated by vegeta that buu power is growing while turning into kid buu and also personality does cause a power decrease like ginyu unable to access kid buu true power.

@om9959 Ай бұрын

@@afro025 kid buu who pushed a spirit which every single z fighters combined.Spirit bomb by itself stated be strongest energy ever and a krytonite for kid buu.Stronger than fodder buuhan who only absorbed half as much people.Kid buu is a deity with god ki who was sealed away by grand kai absorbtion and cheap personality without god ki took over called super buu.Super buu has nothing to do with kid by stated by superbuu himself other both sharing same body similar too kurama and naruto.

@slickprince 2 ай бұрын

Literally so many people on my latest short have literally been saying "Kid Buu isn't the strongest, he's just destructive." The cope is insane.

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

@@slickprince FACTS

@ohhellwhereami2574 2 ай бұрын

Actually if you tranlate 90% of statement regarding him it's "troublesome " Or stuff

@SuperKamiGuruu 2 ай бұрын

@@ohhellwhereami2574 hahahahahahah DBZ Episode 278 15min18sec mark Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu." Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!" DBZ Episode 278 20min59sec mark Sub- "Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, powers of recovery are all incredible. You're on a whole dofferent level from all the Boos til now!" Dub- "Darn..you! Wheres your weak point? You're twice as strong as you were before ; your speed, your power..."⁴ DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

@SubversiveShekelMerchant 2 ай бұрын

Nah that’s the objective true take you just don’t know dbz

@usuario15965 2 ай бұрын

@@slickprince Read the manga lil bro

@rae5057 4 күн бұрын

I fw you bro, W video😂 Buuhan fans like to ignore every piece of evidence and statements

@MANIFESTEVIL666 2 ай бұрын

Kid Buu is his own character. Fat Buu turns into Super Buu. Not Kid Buu. Toriyama stated that they are both different entities.

@om9959 Ай бұрын

Finally

@MANIFESTEVIL666 Ай бұрын

@ It wouldn’t matter, honestly. A lot of people skipped past certain points of the story. Kid Buu is referenced to be worst than Beerus in DBZ. Elder Kai, in some translations say, “…long ago there was a strong and bad villain. Well, not as bad as Majin Buu, who sealed me away.” This is a direct nod to Beerus, so Buuhan doesn’t even fit in the conversation. Kid Buu spanked Fat Buu in such a way that you’d have to be smoking crack to believe that if Fat Buu absorbed Gohan that fight would’ve gone differently. In the anime, Fat Buu even says “me big Buu why little Buu stronger?”

@STEVEJobs-l3o Ай бұрын

All the buu's are their own character Super buu is the only one that really stays as one person throughout the arc Even the gray evil buu is his own character

@kl300s Ай бұрын

Where and when toriyama's confirmed that Kid Buu was a different entity from Fat Buu or Super Buu? I really need to know

@usuario15965 2 ай бұрын

Buutenks said he was the strongest buu to exist when he fused with gotenks,absorbing others DOES make him stronger,he went from being destroyed by gohan to beating him,He did not want to fight buuhan because he had the powers of gohan who was stronger than him,super buu alone would wash him becuse he states that gotenks is stronger than him,you dont inderstand such simple concepts

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

@@usuario15965 ironic. This is pathetic. Buutenks doesn't have memory of a mindless entity. Also no, not every absorption makes his stronger. The grand supreme kai makes him weaker😭 which is stated if you ACTUALLY read. He didn't want to fight buuhan bc he was convinced by elder kai not to. Gohan is not stronger than Goku. Super Buu alone would die, same with Buuhan.

@usuario15965 2 ай бұрын

@@hystor1c @hystor1c No not every absrobtion makes him stronger,but pretty sure absorving someone stronger than you makes you stronger,to prove this to you its as simple as seeing that super buu was getting trashed by gohan,but then after absorbing gotenks and piccolo he trashed gohan,he undoubtedly got stronger,now its stated that gotenks after training was stronger than goku and vegeta,and gohan was stronger than gotenks because super buu was equeal to gotenks and gohan was superior to those ,and buu then absorved those two,and ssj 3 goku was equeal or a tad bit superior to kid buu,goku addmited he couldnt beat buu when he was about to fuse with mr satan,sayingthat hes power would barealy increase and he wouldnt win,so whats the logic

@metal87power 2 ай бұрын

It's also stated and shown that fused characters at their base are much stronger than their individual parts. Gotenks base was about SSJ 2 easily. Gotenks SSJ 3 was stronger than Goku's SSJ 3. Same goes for Vegito.

@kongzillatoho4558 2 ай бұрын

Highly doubt ssj3 Gotenks was stronger than ssj3 Goku. Literally nothing implying that.

@kl300s 2 ай бұрын

Goku(vs Fat Buu) is literally stated to be in the same level of Gohan Ultimate in V-Jump

@wdadwdwdwadw8604 9 күн бұрын

filler bruh same with Vegito in Base beating Superbuu Fusion dance is just a regular x10 boost to Base, so if Goten and Trunks Base is 6mil the fusee would be 60mil. with Potara using DBS Anime statement is at least x20 per Angel statement

@wdadwdwdwadw8604 9 күн бұрын

@kl300s Canon says otherwise, we know how strong Fat Buu actually is in the manga when SSJ2 Gohan had his energy absorbed Babidi was shown 40% in the Buu counter meaning Fat Buu is 2.5x stronger than a SSj2 which is why Goku said he could of killed Fat Buu using SSJ3 if he wanted .

@kl300s 9 күн бұрын

@wdadwdwdwadw8604 Vegito Base=Buuhan Base bro.

@NineNovem 2 ай бұрын

I mentioned this on another video I can't recall right now, but Kid Buu being stronger than *any* upgraded version of Super Buu doesn't make any sense regardless of what the anime says. If Kid Buu was stronger than Buuhan, Goku and Vegeta would've had to fuse again or they would've been slaughtered. Unless of course, Goku and Vegeta got a gigantic boost in power out of nowhere to get close enough to this hypothetical roided out Kid Buu to avoid getting killed in one shot. Or, absorbing Gohan and the others made Buu weaker somehow even though we're shown and told explicitly that isn't the case. The reason Buuhan being stronger than Kid Buu works is because you don't have to twist the story into a pretzel to make it make sense. "Oh, Buu doesn't have the power of Ultimate Gohan, Piccolo, or the kids anymore. And Goku can duel him alone again. He's clearly weaker now."

@ItsB1998 2 ай бұрын

Goku got a boost in strength from the extra fighting he does in the anime yes

@NineNovem 2 ай бұрын

@@ItsB1998 How? He wasn't continously breaking his limits T.O.P. style at the time and no training was done at any point. Hell, he didn't even really fight Buutenks so much as try to stall for a few seconds while Gohan was trying to fuse with him. If he *somehow* grew stronger from that little scrap (let alone enough to deal with the aforementioned hypothetical Kid Buu), then that section of the anime makes even less sense than I thought.

@ItsB1998 2 ай бұрын

@@NineNovem Goku and Vegeta rose to potara level within minutes just from getting their ass beat by merged zamasu. It's not really good writing but that type of quicker growth is something that has been established for the Saiyans

@NineNovem 2 ай бұрын

@@ItsB1998 Yes, but that was a Super era concept. Hell, you could even say it originated in the Battle of Gods movie since Goku and Vegeta grew a lot in that movie for different reasons (Godly power and extreme anger respectively). But trying to apply similar rules to DBZ retroactively doesn't work very well because the rules were very different then. I mean, Gohan had just been healed by Dende just minutes before Goku showed up to try and fuse with him and Buu straight up told Gohan that his power didn't increase at all despite how badly he was beaten. Yeah, if we followed Super rules, he he could've gone Beast if Buu tried to provoke him (say he kills Piccolo in front of him rather than absorbing him). But under the old rules, that wouldn't be possible. Incidentally, that's also why Buu having Godly ki was so weird to people when it was first mentioned. It brings up a long list of annoying questions that we're probably never gonna get answers to. Could Kid Buu use godly ki? Was he using it the whole time or was it just sitting there doing nothing? Do the other Buus have it too? Why did Shin, a god, not mention something so important?

@InfernoCleric384 2 ай бұрын

Okay, I'm just gonna take a big shot at that "Super Boo doesn't remember being Kid Boo" thing since that's the most glaring part: 8:30 Why is Piccolo considered a viable source on Kid Boo, someone he doesn't even know about? He has no reason to be aware of any form of Boo besides the Innocent, Pure Evil, and Super incarnations at that point. 8:50 Super Boo has no reason to mention or bring up Kid Boo's foes; they're either dead, absorbed, or not relevant to his fights. 9:10 Super Boo very clearly makes a distinction between Kid Boo and his other forms; he claims that Innocent Boo was him, as in his statement about fighting Gotenks, but he doesn't group Kid Boo in that same category. I don't know if he makes that note about Innocent Boo in Japanese, but I'm pretty sure he does indeed say that Kid Boo would be different. 9:31 I would be inclined to believe that Gotenks Boo was being arrogant if we actually saw his personality show more of Gotenks. Boo post-absorbing Piccolo just seems to be smarter Boo/Cell 2.0. Boo shows basically none of Gotenks's traits; no childish mannerisms, not even his Japanese speech style (His speech style doesn't even take from any of his components, showing just how unoriginal of a villain he became). Also, wasn't the statement about Kid Boo being the most formidable in the Moro arc, where he was definitely *not* the strongest enemy of Goku's?

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

1. The same reason whis considered him reliable and smart when he stated the attributes of god ki, even though he never encountered it. You are grasping at straws that arent there. The point of the statement is what happens when you become a beast of destruction, I never said he was talking about kid buu directly. 2. This is a blatant lie as Shin was present and even tried to intervene in the fights with fat buu and he never mentioned knowledge of knowing him. 3. Again another lie. Super Buu doesnt ever refer to kid buu. He simply says not himself. Not himself refers to loss of identity. He knows that fat buu made him. That doesn't prove he knows what will happen once he is removed and that's the point. All he knows is that he wont be himself and again that can be anything to him. 4. Again this is another lie. but even if it wasnt this doesnt defeat my point. I say this because we know that buu doesnt show all traits of the person he absorbed. He shows piccolo's smarts but not his brooding attitude or serious mindset. He has gohan's power and intelligence but doesnt let his guard down or sell fights due to new power like gohan did. Also yes buutenks does have enhanced cockiness and thats shown to us. Yea bro this was bad

@SuperKamiGuruu 2 ай бұрын

DBZ Episode 278 15min18sec mark Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu." Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!" DBZ Episode 278 20min59sec mark Sub- "Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, powers of recovery are all incredible. You're on a whole dofferent level from all the Boos til now!" Dub- "Darn..you! Wheres your weak point? You're twice as strong as you were before ; your speed, your power..."⁴ DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form." " *But But But tHeY cHoSe To fUsE aGaInSt Buuhan!* " (Even though Vegeta was very reluctant to do so mind you) *SSJ3 Goku fights Kid Buu* ↓↓↓ DBZ Episode 277 Sub " Maybe I've been trying too much to look cool. I thought things would go better than this!" DBZ Kai episode 160 "Shoot! Maybe ive been playing things too cool! I thought i could handle it better than this" DB Chapter 510 pg 12 Goku - "He'd be no problem if we used the potara! Guess I was a bit too cocky...I thought this would work!" Interviewer: In several parts of Dragon Ball, *THE MOST POWERFUL CHARACTER IS ACTUALLY THE SMALLEST, CUTEST, AND YOUNGEST LOOKING* For example young Goku, or Freeza, and Majin Boo in their FINAL TRANSFORMATIONS." Akira Toriyama: *I wanted to go against the expectations that the strong ones always get stronger and bigger*

@Oneshotmaster256 2 ай бұрын

@@SuperKamiGuruuthank you again

@Oneshotmaster256 2 ай бұрын

@@hystor1cthank this guy 👆🏻

@InfernoCleric384 2 ай бұрын

@@hystor1c "what happens when you become a beast of destruction" So a "beast of destruction" is a universal category that accurately describes every evil being? I fail to see why Piccolo would be able to exactly understand Boo's condition. It doesn't matter if he has god ki, since Kami had an understanding of god ki, as we saw with Piccolo's interaction with Shin. Of course he would know about that. We can't say the same for Boo's properties. "This is a blatant lie as Shin was present and even tried to intervene in the fights with fat buu" I would argue that Innocent Boo would be a different case since the Dai-Kaioshin is holding him back more, but I guess that was never stated anywhere. We are simply forced to assume that Super Boo has memories of Kid Boo, while his previous incarnation does not. "Super Buu doesnt ever refer to kid buu. He simply says not himself." If Super Boo had no idea what Kid Boo was, why would he have any reason to fear the removal of Innocent Boo? Remember, he was originally the Pure Evil Boo, who turned into Super Boo after absorbing his good half. If he didn't know about Kid Boo, he would have assumed he'd just turn into Pure Evil Boo, whom he definitely considers to be himself. "Also yes buutenks does have enhanced cockiness and thats shown to us." Could you give an example? "I say this because we know that buu doesnt show all traits of the person he absorbed." So are you conceding my point? Also, I'm going to be blunt, but you probably shouldn't call people liars and idiots simply for disagreeing with you.

@vegito6166 2 ай бұрын

Kid buu one shots buuhan . Litteraly stated in the anime 3 times and many guides that kid buu is the strongest . People respectfully are just biased and don’t pay attention to statements .

@deaddead2783 Ай бұрын

One shot is a stretch but he 100% beats lil bro

@STEVEJobs-l3o Ай бұрын

Agreed The statements arent exactly vague ether

@ohhellwhereami2574 2 ай бұрын

Vegeta when he sees super buu : shit should have fused didn't know Vegeta when he sees kid boo: shit he's strong welp our best team work can beat him tho lmao

@Mypic-isnot-what-it-looks-like 2 ай бұрын

Yea how did that go for them 😂 Anime gokussj3>gohan

@PiperAtDawn-r7i Ай бұрын

Vegeta when discussing breaking the first set of potara earrings. "Besides we don't need fusion anymore"

@YophiGames 4 күн бұрын

This has been going on for 20 some years. Take it from Stan Lee. Whoever wins the fight is who the writers WANT to win the fight. So many people who WANT Kid Buu to win are going to rehearse the same tired arguments which can be contradicted by so many things featured by Buuhan, and those who WANT Buuhan to win will feature the same tired arguments which can be contradicted by certain feats from Kid Buu. Where I stand? Personally, the arguments featured here are decent, but some of them are incorrect, and even if, Buuhan displays much more evidence to be a higher level of POWER than Kid Buu. However, if they were two different beings, I still think Kid Buu would win because Kid Buu is a psycho where as Buuhan has to think. The most dominant personality comes out when Buu absorbs someone, and Gohan's gi was displayed, meaning he was more dominant than even the Kai that made Buu weaker. Buuhan did not want to lose himself and become Kid Buu again, but why wouldn't he want this if it came with such a huge power amp? This is the same Buu who literally killed every human on Earth with ONE blast. He may not have been as psycho as Kid Buu by far, but it's not like he was "Good" all of a sudden. He LIKED having more power and more thought. Kid Buu is an incomplete mess and needed to be sealed away because there is no reasoning with a him. He is what happens if you give a baby universal level power. He wants a bottle? He blasts the whole shop. Zero restraint. Kid Buu even destroys himself over and over to get what he wants. Buuhan isn't willing to do that. He is influenced by Piccolo, Gotenks, Gohan ase well as a few others. How do you FIGHT a Kid Buu? A being who sticks his feet through the ground, wraps his body around itself laughing, blows up the Earth because reasons, and doesn't need to eat or sleep or stop (Even Super Buu got hungry!)? It's like getting all the training in the world for MMA, but having to fight a Chucky doll. It's not going to work against him. Does it mean that Chucky is stronger than Jason Vorhees? No! It means Chucky is more dangerous because normal moves don't work. Perhaps a better analogy. Robots don't have feelings. They are on a program like the Terminator is set to kill John Conner. There is no conversation with him! Vegito convinced Buuhan to turn him BACK from a jawbreaker because he tricked him into thinking he was faster as a jaw breaker. That wouldn't happen if it were a terminator. Kid Buu is like that Terminator-1000. Megaman X is another analogy. Even though X is stronger than many repoloids, his hesitancy in battle made him a B-Rank hunter where as Zero was an S-Rank. Zero just straight up killed who he needed to without conversation. X tried to reason. There are so many ways to relate this. I'd go over each point in the video, but let's be honest: what did you say that hasn't already been said for decades? It won't change anything. I just hope that people look at my freakishly long comment as REASONING why it is believed Buuhan is stronger...

@lazerbreaker4758 2 ай бұрын

Both stated by the narrator and goku that kid buu is the strongest buu

@clevercode30 2 ай бұрын

Bullshit. Ultimate Gohan destroys kid buu easily

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

goku LITERALLY says otherwise and the series shows us he is correct

@ohhellwhereami2574 2 ай бұрын

@GenkiSeven actually if you watch the fight again you would realize goku said they aren't getting any damage from their attack

@Johan1991100 2 ай бұрын

Buuhan is the strongest form however kid buu has better fighting tactics where as buuhan jokes around a lot. So Buuhan is stronger than kid buu but kid buu is a more tactical fighter.

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

yea this is just cope can't lie.

@dolphin-studio 2 ай бұрын

@@hystor1c dude math doesnt add up kid buu is one of the weakest. who in the hell in the manga goku said he couldve taken kid buu yet base super buu he was scared of him also, ultimate gohan is comfirmed by toriyama to be the strongest unfused character, buuhan is composed of him plus goten trunks and piccolo dude you suck so hard at math and clear power level statements. then why was ssj3 goku competing against kid buu if he was that strong he would get one shot and no kid buu rarely holds back he blew up the earth. there are so many holes, dude how delusional can you be.

@Ace-bl1ks 2 ай бұрын

facts clear as day

@usuario15965 2 ай бұрын

No way mf just said kid buu is tactical

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

@@usuario15965 he is, Goku even highlights so and is impressed by how skillful he is

@simohayha4152 2 ай бұрын

“Buutenks wasn’t casually beating Goku” he did tho… and Vegeta too

@SuperiorGokuGT 2 ай бұрын

Goku was trying to hold off Buutenks so Gohan could put on the Potara, he was not trying to actually defeat him. It’s stated that after you’re revived, you don’t have full ki, so goku isn’t able to fight Buutenks at full power. (When did Vegeta fight Buutenks?)

@jacket8818 2 ай бұрын

@@SuperiorGokuGT He did surprisingly bad job at holding him back, like so bad even vegeta was batter at holding kid buu

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

@jacket8818 no he didn't😭 Buutenks knew that Goku was a challenge hence why he stopped fighting him to blast at gohan😭 keep in mind you are comparing two fights with two different versions of buu, that are fighting COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Buutenks is bloodlusted, Kid Buu is holding back😭😭😭god yall buuhan dick riders never cease to amaze me

@jacket8818 2 ай бұрын

@ Buutenke is bloodlusted and kid buu is holding back ☠️☠️, yeah definitely Hope you have a great day, go and drink some water no need to rise your blood pressure

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

@@jacket8818 uh oh another pea brain that doesn't know the material they are giving an opinion on😭

@xxitactical_8723 2 ай бұрын

I hate that people just think goku doesn’t get stronger AT ALL throughout the buu saga. Also goku said kid Buu was holding back against him and they should’ve used fusion. He’s stronger than gohan at the end, this is backed by statements, guidebooks and toriyama himself lmao

@usuario15965 2 ай бұрын

He doesnt,he does not train in the whole saga

@ItsB1998 2 ай бұрын

@@usuario15965He doesn't need to. He can get stronger from fighting. That's kind of the thing Saiyans are known for

@aka-fusion8909 2 ай бұрын

@@usuario15965ummm u realize saiyans get stronger thru FIGHTING?? The whole time Goku and vegeta have been fighting in the buu saga which is the same thing as training, how do u think vegeta and trunks and goku and gohan got stronger in the time chamber?? Also golden frieza was able to match up to post goku black arc ssb Goku without any physical training just mental training, and we see goku meditate in the buu saga which is what Frieza did in hell

@heroricspiritfreinen38 2 ай бұрын

"he can get stronger through fighting" Ah yes. The grand total of 2-3 fights in the buu saga that Goku had made him go from a super buu victim to a super buu- ultimate Gohan absorbed slayer

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

@heroricspiritfreinen38 you really need to start paying attention. Nobody is saying Ssj3 Goku is stronger than buuhan😭. Also again he isn't a super buu victim and the stronger the opponent the more potent the increase so yes😭

@lordpopo6817 2 ай бұрын

This video got to be a joke. 😂

@rafi_sensei5421 Ай бұрын

W Video! Im glad you presented that scan of the 1/100 of their power inside of buu. I'd heard it before but never found a scan.

@ryukopoolpeacemaker228hd9 2 ай бұрын

Facts that's what I've been saying lets not forget when super buu was turning into kid buu he was increasing in power. People fail to understand that. Honestly anyone who really thinks buuhan is stronger than kid buu is clearly a idiot or being fooled. Also Saying buuhan is the strongest and kid buu is the most dangerous also confirms kid buu is stronger because your not the most powerful if your not the most dangerous. But than again even tho you showed proof they won't accept the truth

@Zoro-pv9dc 2 ай бұрын

Buuhan is stronger, you fool

@Blitzhound764 2 ай бұрын

@@Zoro-pv9dc you clearly did not watch the video

@Popperdrop 2 ай бұрын

Nope, buuhan is stronger. But kid but is more dangerous. If you put an elephant and a lion in a room, 1 is more powerful and the other is more dangerous.

@Bloodhunt456 2 ай бұрын

@@Popperdrop real life and fiction are 2 different things you just de railed the argument

@Popperdrop 2 ай бұрын

@@Bloodhunt456nope, you just misinterpret the message. I was clearly referring to the fact that one does not need to be the strongest to be the most dangerous. Put 1 lion in an enclosed field with 10 people for a month. Then 1 elephant in an enclosed field with 10 people for a month. One will have significantly more casualties than the other due to their instinctive nature. Kid buu has a significantly more destructive nature without need for any reasoning.

@coredarkest67 2 ай бұрын

W video, keep up the good work

@CJ-111 2 ай бұрын

If absorbing people made him weaker, buu would not have absorbed Picollo. He wouldn't have absorbed Gotenks. Or Gohan. Why would he make himself weaker? The only one stated to nerf him was the Grand Supreme Kai

@KiyoGam1 2 ай бұрын

to get some IQ. have you seen kid buu? Buuhan was arguably the smartest version and a better fighter.

@ohhellwhereami2574 2 ай бұрын

@@KiyoGam1 don't make no sense lmao If iq was everything then how tf was he supposed to be boasting his power continuously

@philiwhop330 2 ай бұрын

@@KiyoGam1he’s gaining iq but making a idiotic decision? Seems like bs

@KiyoGam1 2 ай бұрын

@ i mean he is buu what do you expect

@CJ-111 2 ай бұрын

@@ohhellwhereami2574 exactly. Once he absorbed Picollo, his job would be done. No point absorbing Gotenks and Gohan

@DJBurns-jq8mn 4 күн бұрын

Mate, Buu repeatedly gets smarter and remembers past events. Super Buu obviously remembers that Fat buu contains the kais he has absorbed. Him saying he won't be him anymore literally confirms he knows that the reason he is like this now is because Fat buu has the kais and without the kais he would loose his intelligence and actual personality he gained when he was created by Evil Buu absorbing Goog Buu. And let's use the 2 times power = unaffected from attacks thing as that is undeniable. Kid buu is still affected and even blown apart many times against SSJ3. Even when he is suppressed his body being harmed and blown apart means that Kid Buu is at the very least less then 2 times SSJ3 Goku. Take that with Buutenks still needing SSJ3 Goku to fuse with Gohan means that Goku is more then 2 times weaker then Buutenks which proves Buutenks > KidBuu meaning Buutenk's statement is true. And before you say KidBuu was holding back, so was Goku since he needed to hold SSJ3 for as long as possible to even stand a chance. So Buuhan is the more powerful.

@cameronscott2938 2 ай бұрын

Buuhan would slaughter kid buu and I’d debate /argue with anybody about this in 2024 weeks shouldn’t still even be talking about kid buu be buuhan it’s not even close. Kid buu arguably couldn’t even beat base super buu and it’s ALOT of evidence for that also. Goku was literally scared of base super buu in the manga. And goku implies several times he does not want too fight super buu in the anime without some kind of fusion with wither vegeta or gohan. Buutenks also says he’s the strongest majin of all time and he knows about kid buu. Where as goku doesn’t want too fight super buu at all without fusion he’s perfectly confident against kid buu

@BasedKuuTooGourmet 2 ай бұрын

Buuhan doesn’t even scale to Vegito, he’s some nebulous level above SS3 Goku who would get washed by Kid Buu. Goku was only worried about Super Buu due to be shrunk inside of him and being drastically weakened. Buutenks is a cocky bastard and doesn’t display any memories of Kid Buu, and he contradicts a future statement after he absorbs Gohan. Goku was overconfident and admits it was a mistake to fight Kid Buu, Kid Buu was toying with them the whole fight and Vegeta says they were fighting on a whole different league compared to what came before. Kid Buu negs

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

yk what he had to do in order to see these arguments earlier? WATCH THE VIDEO😭😭😭

@BasedKuuTooGourmet 2 ай бұрын

@@hystor1c 😂😂😂😂🙏🏾 Leave to dragon ball fans to not read or watch their show and then not read or watch anything about their show

@cameronscott2938 2 ай бұрын

@@BasedKuuTooGourmet …… cope cope buu obviously remembers kid buu saying just because he’s cocky that means literally nothing prove he didn’t remember kid buus power ? Oh that’s right you can’t. And goku was not just worried because he was small where did you get that from 🤣wtf goku literally says even though he’s back too normal if we go back out we won’t have a chance the only reason they were small is because they were in buus body again this is why I don’t take these arguments seriously their so random and dumb you see the mental gymnastics your trying too pull rn 😂. And buuhan is way above ss3 goku it’s not even remotely close and ss3 goku and kid buu are relative but buu would just outlast him with regen ..

@BasedKuuTooGourmet 2 ай бұрын

@@cameronscott2938 It’s certified you didn’t watch the videos, or any of the videos covering this topic on this channel bro. It’s alright though I won’t argue with you forever because I don’t find paint drying too satisfying. I accept your concession, gg lil bro🙏🏾🙏🏾😂

@candytime-_- 2 ай бұрын

Ridiculous and it really push the statement" Don't mess with DB fans mentality" lmao

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

debate then discord is hystor1c

@KiyoGam1 2 ай бұрын

and yet there is not a single proof actually showing he is wrong there is actually more saying he is right Here a copy paste from someone else DBZ Episode 278 15min18sec mark Sub- "C-Can You beat Boo like that? He has gone back to the original, most difficult, powerful Majin Buu." Dub- "But how do you think you're going to defeat Majin Buu in his present state? This is his original form. He's more powerful than ever!" DBZ Episode 278 20min59sec mark Sub- "Majin Boo, you are one dense guy, but your power, speed, powers of recovery are all incredible. You're on a whole dofferent level from all the Boos til now!" Dub- "Darn..you! Wheres your weak point? You're twice as strong as you were before ; your speed, your power..."⁴ DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form." " But But But tHeY cHoSe To fUsE aGaInSt Buuhan! " (Even though Vegeta was very reluctant to do so mind you) SSJ3 Goku fights Kid Buu ↓↓↓ DBZ Episode 277 Sub " Maybe I've been trying too much to look cool. I thought things would go better than this!" DBZ Kai episode 160 "Shoot! Maybe ive been playing things too cool! I thought i could handle it better than this" DB Chapter 510 pg 12 Goku - "He'd be no problem if we used the potara! Guess I was a bit too cocky...I thought this would work!" Interviewer: In several parts of Dragon Ball, THE MOST POWERFUL CHARACTER IS ACTUALLY THE SMALLEST, CUTEST, AND YOUNGEST LOOKING For example young Goku, or Freeza, and Majin Boo in their FINAL TRANSFORMATIONS." Akira Toriyama: I wanted to go against the expectations that the strong ones always get stronger and bigger

@ketchupchugger 2 ай бұрын

Official source material > popular opinions among fans 🤷🏽‍♂️

@ojpickle5923 2 ай бұрын

@@KiyoGam1To be fair in that last quote, it was the interviewer who gave the examples, not Akira. The examples brought up don't even apply since Frieza has to get bigger in his buff form (both Frieza and frost refer to it as a transformation) So Akira is likely agreeing that the trend exists, not necessarily agreeing with the examples themselves. I'm not commenting on the entire Buu debate but that interview isn't the best evidence to use

@vegito6166 2 ай бұрын

@@ketchupchuggerso true

@SuperKamiGuruu 2 ай бұрын

@BasedKuuTooGourmet 2 ай бұрын

My favorite Copy pasta just got better

@ohhellwhereami2574 2 ай бұрын

Young goku, freeza were never strongest in their respective arcs 😂😂😂😂

@ohhellwhereami2574 2 ай бұрын

Actually these are all wrong, mind hearing the Japanese words? Instead of blatantly using subs like a casual😂😂😂

@BasedKuuTooGourmet 2 ай бұрын

@ His examples aren’t the problem here, his point is still confirmed by Toriyama. If Buu/and or Frieza hadn’t been their strongest in their FINAL FORMS then Toriyama could’ve easily countered the interviewers assertion

@ohhellwhereami2574 2 ай бұрын

@BasedKuuTooGourmet umm actually interviewer said kid goku who isn't strongest anywhere 🤓 ☝ Also freezee isn't strongest too, chad bulked up daddyku is strongest of the arc 😳☝

@metal87power 2 ай бұрын

Have you read the same manga??????????????? Gohan > Gotenks > Goku Buuhan is the strongest form of Buu.

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

debate it discord is hystor1c

@metal87power 2 ай бұрын

When Goku and Vegeta talked about using dragon balls, Goku thought WITH RELIEF they will let Gohan fight and it was said as if Gohan could do it easily. Saiyan duo didn't decide to fight Kid Buu themselves because it was last resort, no, they were fighting for themselves, to prove themselves, test their abilities and they KNEW their levels of power was approximate to Kid Buu's. Unlike Buuhan with whom they would NOT stand a chance without fusion.

@ohhellwhereami2574 2 ай бұрын

@@metal87power also gohan was still weakened as he died only few minutes prior to kid boo fight which goku backs up that being revive doesn't restore energy So gohan was at his weakest

@joshuameraz2826 2 ай бұрын

At 1:55 I do have one thing that may change this argument. You say in the manga base vegito>>>buuhan. However the claims you made especially the statements from vegito don’t really specifiy that he overdid it. Also old Kai was referring to the fact that Goku and gohan would not need to be ssj as gohan was stronger than at least vegeta

@yassinemaaroufi1529 2 ай бұрын

I would still argue that super Buu is stronger that kid Buu, not even Buuhan. If ultimate gohan fought kid Buu, he would wipe the floor with him

@jezkerjamez7110 2 ай бұрын

Then why not bring Gohan to Supreme Kai world instead of using the spirit bomb if he could kill Kid Buu so easily? They had already wished to revive everyone, use the next wish to bring Gohan there to mop the floor. I think it’s more likely Kid Buu = Ultimate Gohan, but would win due to Buu’s stamina being so high.

@usuario15965 2 ай бұрын

@@jezkerjamez7110Becuase its more epic,by the time goku realized he cant keep the form he didnt have energy to teleport back

@jezkerjamez7110 2 ай бұрын

@ I’m talking about Gohan not Goku. Also they could teleport Gohan with the dragon balls. They didn’t need Goku to get him there

@ItsB1998 2 ай бұрын

Nope. It stated multiple times that if Goku was defeated the universe would be destroyed, meaning Gohan wouldn't be able to stand in his way

@aka-fusion8909 2 ай бұрын

Ultimate gohan would get embarrassed more than what happened against buutenks

@joshuameraz2826 2 ай бұрын

I would really like a manga version of this because both anime and manga are canon but I like to see more of what toriyama created. So you could prolly use Kai. But I do like you points. Also one thing. Vegito doesn’t have something unique to him that negates being shrunken. It’s just that he so vastly powerful. I’m not sure if you misworded that. But overall w vid

@SuperKamiGuruu 2 ай бұрын

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

the video talks about both. also no it's outright stated that his power didn't go down. it isn't that his power is so high that the nerf doesn't matter. Every Guide, even the manga tell you this

@joshuameraz2826 2 ай бұрын

@@hystor1c I used to tell ppl that that this was a power over hax feat DragonBall has. So if ppl were to the Goku into something it wouldn’t work because it didn’t work on vegito who was so powerful. So you think the candy beam would work on Goku in super?

@usuario15965 2 ай бұрын

@@joshuameraz2826 only manga is canon,although both have their own time line

@jackdemerritt5189 2 ай бұрын

Bro your just yapping here lemme debunk you rq, buuhan fought vegito game over argument over and goku wasnt even tryna fight buutenks let alone buuhan, he was confident against kid buu but terrified of buuhan theres also no evidence that kid buu was holding back and buutenks or buuhan wasnt your just giving him the benefit of doubt and downplaying them, enough said.

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

@@jackdemerritt5189 ts was ass and my entire vid debunks it

@deaddead2783 Ай бұрын

R u stupid? He didn't fight vegito he got his ass kicked by vegito he doesn't even scale to base vegito buuhan is literally ass

@deaddead2783 Ай бұрын

"There is no evidence of ki buu holding back" bro what💀🙏🏼

@STEVEJobs-l3o Ай бұрын

Ig perfect cell is weaker then his prior forms cause android 16 held him down and was gonna blow him up with a bomb Arguing contradictions proves nothing when the narrative is clear that kid buu is the strongest If you wanna argue contradictions Then semi perfect cell beats perfect cell

@genevievekampiire9002 Ай бұрын

Buuhan>>>Buutenks >>>kid buu >>>>> Buff buu >>> Super buu >>>>> Evil buu >>>>>>>> Fat buu

@francoisgarcia-vero5720 Ай бұрын

Goku > Gohan is Stated in the manga. Goku : I can kill Buu, need 1 min. Goku : That is Gohan's ki, it's not enough to kill Buu. According to Goku, Goku has more Ki than Gohan.

@MoeBogard 2 ай бұрын

wow..people still argue about this...damn Superbuu > kidbuu stop with this stupid debate

@BasedKuuTooGourmet 2 ай бұрын

Prove it

@MoeBogard 2 ай бұрын

@@BasedKuuTooGourmet watch the show...why would goku train gohan and go through all this if super buu is weaker than kidbuu then he should have been able to just go and finish the job instead ultimate gohan was required to beat super buu while kidbuu is just a weaker version and goku was confident against him even tho he would lose anyway the only majin SSJ3 can beat was fat buu.

@BasedKuuTooGourmet 2 ай бұрын

@@MoeBogard In the El Manga Legendario (A official Spanish guide for Dragon ball that was released by Toei) its stated and narratively implied that none of the Z Fighters could defeat Kid Buu one on one, saying that it would require teamwork to do so. And Teamwork in Dragon Ball makes the characters stronger as stated by Belmod. In the Anime and Anime Databooks, Goku states that Kid Buu is the strongest person he’s ever fought. In the anime. Goku fought fake Warrior Gohan who was stated to be equal to the true Gohan by Goku himself. Goku also fought the likes of Buutenks and Buuhan. Considering Gohan was bopping Super Buu in the anime and that Buutenks and Buuhan are logically above Super Buu as they are literally treated to be massive amps, it’s safe to say that Kid Buu comfortably scales above that of Base Super Buu. “GOKU WAS AFRAID OF SUPER BUU BUT NOT KID BUU!” Goku said that if him and vegeta went out “Like this” they would be killed, Goku was referring to the weaker state that both him and Vegeta were in due to being forcefully shrunk in size. It was stated in Daizenshuu 10 that Goku and Vegeta were lowered to 1/100th of their true strength and it was stated in Daizenshuu 7 that Vegito is the only character that can’t be weakened by being shrunk. To say that Goku knew he would return to his original size would require more evidence considering that there is no indication that he had such knowledge. “SUPER BUU IS A FUSION” Buu’s absorption’s are not linear as he they can also make him weaker, Fat Buu is a fusion yet he was getting his ass beat by Kid Buu. Your point? Now that I’ve established Kid Buu being greater than Super Buu. I’ll explain Buuhan. On numerous occasions, over and over, stated in numerous guides and said numerous times in the Anime. Kid Buu is the ultimate Majin and the strongest opponent yet. There’s hardly any statements for Buuhan being the strongest opponent in Z besides to 2 random ones which pale in comparison to the evidence supporting Kid Buu on being the strongest.

@MoeBogard 2 ай бұрын

@@BasedKuuTooGourmet the anime says it all also goku didn't fight buutenks...he was running away LOL and it was filler too if you believe kidbuu is stronger..good for u buddy but anyone with half a brain will see that superbuu is the strongest version anyway I am done arguing with this stupid ass debate have a nice day.

@BasedKuuTooGourmet 2 ай бұрын

@ Lol continue to cope lil bro I accept your concession, have a good day.🙏🏾😂😂

@Burhan-hv8uw 2 ай бұрын

Strength KID BUU Power BUHAN Endurance BUHAN Durability KID BUU Defense BUHAN Offense KID BUU DC KID BUU AC BUHAN Abilities BOTH HAX KID BUU IQ BUHAN KNOWLEDGE BUHAN BQ BUHAN Experience BUHAN STAMINA BUHAN SPEED BUHAN AGILITY KID BUU REFLEX KID BUU REACTION SPEED KID BUU FEAT BOTH

@MadaraUchiha-tx7pv 2 ай бұрын

The correct tier list goes as follows Ssj vegito >> base vegito >= buuhan >> buutenks >> ultimate gohan >> ssj3 Gotenks ~ base super buu >>> Ssj3 goku ~ kid buu If u disagree with this u need to go back and watch / read dragonball

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

@@MadaraUchiha-tx7pv or maybe you do.

@The-Imaginator 2 ай бұрын

That looks like an accurate list to me!

@Pack52022 2 ай бұрын

Seems pretty damn accurate

@om9959 Ай бұрын

kid buu who pushed a spirit which every single z fighters combined.Spirit bomb by itself stated be strongest energy ever and a krytonite for kid buu.Stronger than fodder buuhan who only absorbed half as much people.Kid buu is a deity with god ki who was sealed away by grand kai absorbtion and cheap personality without god ki took over called super buu.Super buu has nothing to do with kid by stated by superbuu himself other both sharing same body similar too kurama and naruto.

@Pack52022 Ай бұрын

@@om9959 (you don't have to read this if you don't want it's going to be a bit of stuff I'm covering) sure pushing back the spirit bomb is impressive but Gohan had the capability of killing super buu, buu that screamed open an entirely different plane of existence aka the time chamber. Vice shout by buuhan was able to shatter the fabric universe which also could have made it collide with another dimension, took super Vegito to actually put some actual effort in to break through that barrier from buuhan. So ultimate Gohan beat a guy Goku and Vegeta was worried about when they were in his body and didn't want to fight him. Even if smaller in buus body after they defused there is no statements for Goku and Vegeta getting any weaker in his body, they were trying to avoid fighting super buu but kid buu they actually played rock paper scissors and made fun of his size. Even though yes they underestimated kid buu the fact ssj3 Goku actually was capable of beating him if not for stamina drain/ki leakage of ssj3 because he's alive compared to having practically unlimited energy when he was dead was the main reason he couldn't beat him. Buuhan on the other hand Goku and Vegeta was terrified and needed to fuse, while they both broke the potera earrings before fighting kid buu. All these signs point to ultimate Gohan being the strongest non fused z fighter as he had super buu on the back foot while Goku and Vegeta was worried about him, buuhan being the strongest buu via feats and statements as well as he himself literally calling himself the strongest Majin Buu which is more valid then Goku/Vegeta or any of the kai's calling him that when he has the knowledge of his past (kid buu), and other of the strongest z Fighters including piccolo who has knowledge on the kai's too. One thing I'll give kid buu is for some reason it seemed his regeneration was Actually better then his other buu iterations.

@Azariah-Israel Ай бұрын

@hystor1c I’m dealing with the same Buuhan fanboys how can I Prove Goku was stronger than Ultimate Gohan

@dolphin-studio 2 ай бұрын

in fact here is one thing i thought about that can debunk this insanity. kid buu was decibated and cleaerly did not want to die so he would be using his full power to survive so with that said, kid buu was pushed back and killed by the sum of all of earths genki. buuhan power up was collapsing the macrocosm so by math and logic are you saying that the totality of earths life force far exceeds the power to collapse all dimensions at least in the mortal universe and possibly the macrocosm? ill leave you to answer that.

@tchrono12 2 ай бұрын

xept u realize...... that Earths Energy consisted of Gohan,Piccolo......so on so on........ >.> Macrocosm is a place..... that was getting tore open... not really destroyed, it was going to be like what happened with hyperbolic time chamber when buu screamed and opened a portal, Meanwhile Kid Buu was pushing back a Spirit Bomb that consisted of ALL of that Energy plus Goku's AND Fully Rejuvenated Goku by the Dragon Balls , So no, It was not going to be destroyed by Buuhans Own Strength, rather it was from the situation aka breaking the walls between dimensions and causing the dimensions to start to weighing down on the Universe and crushing it. Invalid Argument mate.

@ohhellwhereami2574 2 ай бұрын

@@tchrono12 umm actually 🤓 if you read or watch your will realize being revived doesn't refill your energy as goku said about vegeta. Piccolo, gohan, goten and trunks all died not a while ago so they were at bare minimum energy at the time 😭 Also pushing back SB isn't a feat, as vegeta quote "throwing is crucial for SB" All goku needed to throw it correctly

@tchrono12 2 ай бұрын

@@ohhellwhereami2574 ????? dude wth u smoking, dende literally asked shenron to refill goku's strength, aka his ki,stamina >.> why u think he suddenly easily went ssj to push the spirit bomb to kid buu? ...... DB Fans these days....

@SuperiorGokuGT 2 ай бұрын

@@ohhellwhereami2574it’s literally stated that he took energy from Gohan and the others 😂 he had took all of their energy, cope.

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

man DB fans finna never beat the allegations. Kid Buu is stated to make the universe go poof. Buuhan needed an amp in order to achieve an overtime destruction of the universe. Not only that but goku took the genki from earth, the universe, and hell. so that's 2 universal sized constructs imbuing the spirit bomb with power. So yes the super spirit bomb exceeds what Buuhan did😭

@TyzThePhoenix 2 ай бұрын

Goku was willing to do the fusion dance inside of buu’s body so it wasnt about the potara power drop nullification

@smeetjohnson2439 2 ай бұрын

You miss that in the beginning of super they call kid buu the mightest enemy of all time

@arkfounder7056 2 ай бұрын

Kid Buu actually shouldn't have died to the spirit bomb, not with how the lore handles him, and Shin not being stronger than any of the Z-Fighters never made sense, not with how strong a Supreme Kai can get.

@jordanglasper1064 2 ай бұрын

The Most Damaging Piece of Evidence u forgot to mention in favor of Kid Buu Being The Strongest, is this.. The Spirit Bomb. Goku collected “ki” energy from all the Z fighters. SSJ3 Gotenks & Gohan included. Goku stated, verbatim “Is this all there is? It’s not Strong enough to beat Buu!!!” What do we have here? Gotenks & Gohan’s “ki” energy did absolutely nothin, to make the Genki-Dama Stronger than Kid Buu. This facilitates why Vegeta turned down Goku’s request to bring the boys. Vegeta felt all of their power levels from Otherworld. In this moment, determined SSJ3 Goku is far Stronger than both SSJ3 Gotenks & Base Form Gohan Inner Potential Unlocked. That’s it, right there. Goku does not scale to Kid Buu, Buuhan & Buutenks. All of them are far beyond Goku. Kid Buu loves to fight. Evidence that shows Kid Buu greatly altering his power level is based on his fight with SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Majin Vegeta, Fat Buu & Mr. Satan. Kid Buu was heavily suppressed when he fought all of them, at different power levels. Also, I wanted to correct u on tidbit. When it came to The Frieza Arc. The Spirit Bomb (72 Mill or 75 Mill) was Stronger than Final Form Frieza 50% 60 Mill. The Spirit Bomb tells Goku when it is more Powerful than his Opponent. The only reason why Frieza survived is bcuz he was hiding far more power. Being suppressed is what saved Frieza. If all Final Form Frieza had was 60 Million. He would’ve died on the spot. He himself thought he was dead. If not for his inner power 120 million.. higher than The Spirit Bomb 72 mill or 75 mill. Essentially Frieza lucked out. Exceptionally Great Vid!!! Kid Buu For Da Win!!!

@SuperiorGokuGT 2 ай бұрын

And then they claim that it doesn’t take KI Energy 😂 it’s sad

@usuario15965 2 ай бұрын

The genkidama only takes a little bit of energy from the people not all

@SuperiorGokuGT 2 ай бұрын

@@usuario15965Goku literally said it was all of their energy 😑 the cope is immeasurable at this point

@arkfounder7056 2 ай бұрын

Not even the spirit bomb should kill Kid Buu, the Supreme Kais by lore should have been way above the Z-Fighters at this point, the best that can said about Kid Buu dying to it is how like Gohan, they got out of shape, with Kid Buu resting for a long time, but was way stronger back then.

@jordanglasper1064 2 ай бұрын

@arkfounder7056 Nope, it is told in the back story connecting in real time with Buu Arc events. The Supreme Kai was consistently baffled and surprised at how strong the Saiyan race is. This highlights that out of all the members of his race, from Strongest to Weakest, the Kaioshin are nothing compared to the Power Level of all The Z fighters who fought in The Cell Games. Shin constantly underestimated them but overestimated their opponents, and was proven wrong a plethora of times. So whenever one of the Z fighters specifically one of the Saiyans defeated one of the wizards minions. And they were extremely powerful. They were nothing compared to The Saiyans. This shocked and confused both The Kaioshin, The Wizard, and his Majin minions. Who were Powerful in their own right. But are ants compared to The Saiyan Z fighters. Unlike other race of Beings, The Kaioshin don’t digress in power even if they stop training. Bcuz they have Divine “ki”. This must be the case bcuz we never see any of the 12 G.O.D. train to get Stronger. Bcuz they are connected, Kaioshin to God Of Destruction, this inherent ability in Kaioshin must extend to The 12 G.O.D. God “ki” aka Divine “ki” is a special type of “ki” energy that all Divine Beings posses, it is exceptionally beyond mortal “ki” energy. The only person The supreme Kai was stronger than is Final Form Frieza from The Frieza Arc. This is not impressive To the Z fighters. Why? All of The Z fighters except Master Roshi & Chaotzu, are Eons Stronger than F.F.F & Super Saiyan Goku on Namek. This is narratively true when Krillin said about The Supreme Kai’s Power Level.. “Your not talkin about him are you? Even I could beat him.” Then he proceeded to laugh. Piccolo had the utmost respect for the supreme Kai because he could sense the divine power within him, as well as Shin’s Divine Hierarchy. This is due to the memories of Kami, within Piccolo. Piccolo is not marveling at Shin’s power level, he was shocked and surprised because he was in the presence of a Divine Being. In Daima, we learn Namekians are in fact Demons. Who else would be able to better sense the presence of a divine being? Kami was a Divine Demon. Piccolo inherited that divinity when he absorbed Kami. Anytime Krillin, Yamcha or Tienshinhan state somebody is weak. That is an understatement, because there are not many characters, currently, who can beat them. Since The supreme Kai was always the weakest, and we can say he scales to or is greater than Final Form Frieza and SSJ Goku on Namek. For the argument or at least for this conversation we’re going to place the supreme Kai stronger than Super Saiyan Goku on Namek. But still in the same realm of power. The Hundred Millions Place Value. So placing him anywhere between the range of 300 Million - 900 million is suitable. What about The rest of The Kaioshin? The weakest Androids, No 19. & No.20 (Dr. Gero) are Massively Stronger than Mecha Frieza. The Cell Arc starts the Androids win the High Tier Hundred Millions Place Value to The Ones, Billions Place Value. The Rest of The Kaioshin easily to or lesser than Androids 17 & 18 in the Cell Arc. Even Android 16. Who scales to an upgraded Imperfect Cell. Once we go into Semi-Perfect Cell territory. That is beyond all The Kaioshin’s Power. Remember, The Original & Most Powerful Majin Buu always suppressed his Power Level vs Fighters he scaled far beyond. We see this happen with Goku, Vegeta, Fat Buu & Mr. Satan. All of em have different power levels. Kid Buu greatly suppressed himself to their levels. Even if he was just a bit Stronger. The point is Kid Buu heavily suppressed himself to or around their power level.. But why? Being The Most Pure Evil Buu. Kid Buu is identical to Goku. He loves to fight. Goku doesn’t take pride in outright beating opponents he knows he’s Stronger than. Goku Loves the experience of fighting. Kid Buu shares this same Love for fighting. Kid Buu does it in a twisted way.. He lowers his power level just enough, to show his opponent, than he himself was always Stronger. He wants to drive it into his opponent, that they are an anti compared to them. He does this by givin them false hope that they can beat him. Then after they realize, they never stood a chance. He goes in for the kill. Kid Buu vs Vegeta & Mr. Satan is the perfect example. The Spirit Bomb/ Genki-Dama is a Godly Technique that communicates with the user when the “ki” ball or “ki” sphere is Stronger than the opponent. Good energy can communicate with good energy. Once that happens, Goku then launches the attack at said opponent. King Kai warned Goku not to collect more “ki” energy than necessary to defeat his opponent. 1) So Goku would not destroy the planet he is on in the process. 2) so Goku would not die in his own attack. When it comes to any villain in DBZ. The Power/ Strength of the “ki” wave or sphere is not always connected to the size of it. To Be Stronger than the opponent. By your logic Kid Buu is Stronger than all “ki” energy in existence on Earth, the entire universe and in Otherworld. That’s just not true. He’d be a God of Destruction at that point. We know they can destroy the universe as easily as The Z fighters could destroy planets when they were far weaker. He simpy chooses not to. Why? Kid Buu loves to fight. His entire life, he has been searching for a challenge. Kid Buu was afraid when Goku completed The Spirit Bomb. Showcasing fear is evident Kid Buu could be evaporated by that Massive Level of “ki.” Kid Buu was so Strong he could push it back. This is bcuz Goku literally had no Power to Push back. Goku is Pure Good, therefore his connection to the Spirit Bomb is higher than Kid Buu. Kid Buu has Evil “ki”, him pushing back the Spirit Bomb should not be possible bcuz it is evil “ki” vs good “ki”. Once Goku got his Power replenished, he was able to regain his special connection to the Genki-Dama and destroy Kid Buu.

@benevolence2926 2 ай бұрын

(possible,if kid buu were to absorb them, kidbuuhan>kidbuutenks>)Buuhan>buutenks>kid buu>super buu>fat buu

@Oneshotmaster256 2 ай бұрын

People can’t accept facts when presented to them they only wanna either dislike without any reasoning or logic

@ohhellwhereami2574 2 ай бұрын

@@Oneshotmaster256 i have reasoning which is NARRATIVE

@Oneshotmaster256 2 ай бұрын

@ love to see it because kid buu is clearly stronger

@ohhellwhereami2574 2 ай бұрын

@@Oneshotmaster256 love to what? You didn't see buu saga 💀

@SuperiorGokuGT 2 ай бұрын

@@ohhellwhereami2574you mean the narrative which has Kid Buu stronger?

@ohhellwhereami2574 2 ай бұрын

@SuperiorGokuGT lmao all those time narrator says only ONE time of book being best Or strongest but that doesn't equate to narrative watch the boo saga without thinking and see if you still come up with kid boo being stronger without external media

@Spydo_Uchiha_Comeback_Arc 2 ай бұрын

Make a very accurate video on gokus scaling We need a accurate one

@greatman5958 2 ай бұрын

There are two arguments worth mentioning in Kid Buu's favor as well Where Super Buu literally told Vegeta when he saw him about to separate the fat Buu from him that if he separated the fat Buu from him he would not remain the same Which means Super Buu does not see Kid Buu as the same person as him Which means all of Super Buu's statements that he is in his strongest state do not include Kid Buu + There is a guidebook saying that Bohan is the strongest Majin Buu The guidebook's name is Forever Guide But this is an argument against Bohan Because one of the arguments of Bohan fans is that Bohan is not Majin Buu but a fusion of several people which means that the anime's statements about Kid Buu being the strongest Majin Buu do not include Bohan But thanks to this statement from the guidebook it was confirmed that Bohan is Majin Buu As for Bohan being the strongest Majin Buu, this was only at that time because Kid Buu appeared after him and took the title from him in the anime

@lordraiden7397 2 ай бұрын

Do dragon ball fans not consider that if kid buu was that much weaker than ult gohan, goku wouldve just teleported him to kid buu to finish him? Why would there be an emphasis of the spirit bomb needing to kill buu if ult gohan is enough? Kid buu even pushed the same spirit bomb.

@ohhellwhereami2574 2 ай бұрын

@@lordraiden7397 because gohan wasn't at fp he was being revived like only minutes after his death in which he was considered unable to fight boo in the state (super boo)

@ItsB1998 2 ай бұрын

@@ohhellwhereami2574It was never established that being revived significantly nerfs your power. Vegeta nor Goku making a comments on Vegeta needing to eat a senzu bean or anything to recover his power after he revived for example. Gohan just wasn't strong enough to defeat Kid Buu in general

@ohhellwhereami2574 2 ай бұрын

@ItsB1998 what??? This is what lower attention span does to fckers Goku himself * said around kid boo fight that being revived didn't restore proud pince energy so should be the same case for Gohan as before being killed he was weak enough to not even being awake or fight super boo after their escape

@ohhellwhereami2574 2 ай бұрын

@@ItsB1998 ummmmm

@ohhellwhereami2574 2 ай бұрын

@@ItsB1998 goku : you haven't recover energy vegeta after being revived (during kid boo fight) 😭😭😭😭

@ryanbenedict2754 2 ай бұрын

671 views and 256 comments💀Ohh the Buuhan fans are mad💀

@usuario15965 2 ай бұрын

Bro who is a fan of buuhan

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

93% of this thread😭

@KenyionDouglas 25 күн бұрын

@@hystor1cYeah it's sad they can't accept Kid Buu is the strongest

@jaredbowen3527 2 ай бұрын

Oh shoot my guy is debating noodles right now!

@jaredbowen3527 2 ай бұрын

Bro at the beginning of the stream I was lowkey thinking of you and was about to ask him if he knew who you were and then you came into the stream

@darryltorres7302 25 күн бұрын

Normally, when I hear someone in a debate think one character is stronger than the other I tend to try and see if their arguments makes at least some kind of sense, if I can see a possibility if they can be right. However, in this debate and gohan vs ssj3 goku in particular, I honestly feel like this is either just cope or they have never read the manga before. I can kind of understand the confusion in the anime with thinking that kid buu is stronger if this debate was a decade earlier but it's 2024- 2025 and people are STILL blindly believing every single statement without proving they have some validation. The anime statements of kid buu being the most powerful are easily proven to be inconsistent with no feats to back them up. No offense but anyone with half a brain can see that Base Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu when Kid Buu is freaking struggling to fight Good Buu ( the weakest form of Buu by the way) where as freaking Evil Buu dogwalked that same buu with little difficulty. That alone debunks Kid Buu being the strongest yet it's always ignored by people who defend Kid Buu and watched the anime, which is ironic because Kid Buu struggles EVEN WORSE IN THE ANIME. But nope Kid Buu is still somehow stronger than the form whose got the power of Gotenks + Ultimate Gohan + Piccolo's intelligence, this form is stronger than the form that dogwalked ultimate gohan, and that form is stronger than the form that's stronger than the form that destroyed Good Buu. Buuhan > Buutenks > Super Buu > Evil Buu > Kid Buu > Good Buu

@hystor1c 25 күн бұрын

actually try watching the video pal

@midtop3394 2 ай бұрын

discord? lets debate this topic, i think its interesting

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

discord is hystor1c

@8thgod769 2 ай бұрын

What’s the discord

@midtop3394 2 ай бұрын

@@8thgod769 Midtop

@TyzThePhoenix 2 ай бұрын

Buuhan cant be reincarnated and isn’t an amalgamation. Kid buu is purely himself. The strongest he could be while without absorptions. Goku wants to fight that.

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

why can't he be reincarnated again? cus you jus randomly said that like it's fact

@TyzThePhoenix 2 ай бұрын

@hystor1c no, it’s because buuhan is an amalgamation of characters who are alive. There is no buuhan to reincarnate and even if he did die as buuhan, it still wouldnt be buuhan reincarnated. Kid buu is purely himself. So he could be reincarnated

@Popperdrop 2 ай бұрын

If superbuu but had to choose one of 2 paths, either buuhan or kid buu which is stronger. Buuhan has Gohan+ goten+ +trunks+ piccolo for a power boost. Or is the power boost from turning into kid buu higher. (Kid buu = ss3 goku) Gohan is at least equal but most likely stronger than ss3 goku. Fat buu was fighting ss3 goku evenly. Ss3 goku could do nothing to Buutenks. Read carefully; Ss3 gotenks is weaker than Gohan, so Buuhan is stronger than Buutenks. Buuhan is therefore significantly stronger than ss3 goku. Ss3 goku was evenly matched with kid buu, so ss3 goku would get destroyed by Buuhan. Buuhan is stronger (elephant(. Kid buu is more dangerous(lion).

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

god i wish yall would just watch the video instead of wasting everyone's time😭

@Tonitojohn89 25 күн бұрын

He made a blast strong enough to blow up the earth 10 times. Even fused they probably wouldve been screwed. Buu pissed to the max wouldve made a blast vegito probably couldnt stop. Buu doesn't need to absorb because your stronger, its so he has your power period. He changes but hes still mostly buu. Kid buu pretty much had all he needed. Hes meant to destroy shit with no return not turn shit into chocolate.

@Moai_Cook 2 ай бұрын

W vid. Btw, in episode 1 of Daima, it's verbatim stated that Goku is the strongest warrior. So you can use that considering the timeline

@ohhellwhereami2574 2 ай бұрын

@@Moai_Cook that's intro

@SuperiorGokuGT 2 ай бұрын

@@ohhellwhereami2574still reliable.

@heroricspiritfreinen38 2 ай бұрын

"it's stated" How mfers feel when they say "it's verbatim stated": 👋👋👋🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️😉😉🙏🙏💯💯🤗🤗😂😂

@blueblob8630 Ай бұрын

1.) Kid Buu does not have access to his god kai lol and it's not an active nerf to him but fat buu was only removed from him later in the battle. He wasn't nerfed as again stated by Elder Kai that is the ORIGINAL Buu meaning Fat Buu was not affecting him in any way otherwise he would have had a different transformation to him. Goku was stalemating him but couldn't get passed the regeneration. Vegeta even says in order to do lasting damage against Buu you would need another Buu. Goku also says "I thought I was close to full ki but it's actually getting SMALLER" and then notes later SSJ3 is too much drain on him hence where the complication came from. Let me reiterate a SSJ3 Goku that is EXHAUSTED with draining ki can stall Kid Buu and even outright says if he was at full power can destroy him in SSJ3. If you truly believe that a multiplier of both Goku and Vegeta's strength multiplied by SSJ is WEAKER than SSJ3 Goku you would have to prove that as well as prove that a fatigued Goku received a big enough zenkai boost to cliff Vegito in strength which isn't possible as if you like to use statements Vegito is stated the strongest in the universe and buu saga. Even got new potara earrings and said "no" because it'll be too easy to kill Kid Buu and literally proves Vegito was stronger than SSJ3 Goku and Buuhan can be comfortably scaled to relative to at least base Vegito OR Super Vegito depending on how strong angry Buuhan is to the reader. Goku chapter 509even states that it's possible because Buu isn't fused with anyone anymore. 2.) Majiin Buu can scream holes in dimensions, Buuhan got so mad he almost destroyed the universe with his anger alone, but then you see Kid Buu yell and slightly shake the ground yet he's the strongest..????? Where's the logic. Vegeta and Goku even said his ki was shrinking and getting smaller. You said Vegito never needed to go SSJ then you see him transform SSJ when Buuhan gets mad enough to destroy the universe and get visibly pushed back well into their fight. Kid Buu struggles against SSJ3 not at full power. Even worse when in the manga Vegito went into SSJ IMMEDIATELY proving even further that the fusion was the upper limits in power when it came to the Buu saga. Are we saying SSJ3 Goku is stronger than Super Vegito now?!! Gets even funnier when SSJ3 Goku in the manga literally screams "N-Noooo!" as Buutenks charges at him. He was about to get killed mercilessly if Buutenks didn't adopt Gotenks personality and he knew it 😆 3.) Buutenks was stated to be the strongest majiin both PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE by multiple guides and by himself. He absorbs A SSJ3 + fusion then Ultimate Gohan who Goku admits inferiority to MULTIPLE TIMES as well as Buuhan himself saying he's EVEN STRONGER than Buutenks and mind you Gohan is stronger than this SSJ3 Gotenks who Majin Buu was losing against when serious and had formed a plan to wait for Gohan and stall for absorption as he "could not let a being in this universe stronger than him exist". Super Buu literally has knowledge of both past, present, and future as he's the amalgamation of Fat Buu, The kaioshin, and the Malicious Buu. He even said "if you remove the Fat Buu I won't be MYSELF anymore" not to mention when Majin Buu SEES Ultimate Gohan he says "Oh I remember you, you're the one I SAT on", the only time Gohan ever saw Buu before having his potential unlocked was when he was fat so saying they're seperate is plain ignorance when he himself, the manga, and the anime says otherwise. Goku inside Majin Buu said himself they need potara for BASE MAJIN BUU because if they left him AND Vegeta would die immediately. Had nothing to do with ki shrinkage as the moment they leave they can just grow back to normal size??? But then after SSJ2 Vegeta can just stall Kid Buu? SSJ3 Goku said he could outright just kill him if he was back at full power the only reason the genkidama was used was because Vegeta SUGGESTED that they use the people of the Earth's energy to save themselves otherwise Buu would regenerate. 4.)No...simply no in the manga it's made clear that the genkidama needs to be DETONATED. Goku did not have the energy to detonate it hence why Buu was able to catch it. Once his energy is restored and he goes ssj he puts his hand up to blow it up! This is what killed Kid Buu. The genkidama only takes fractions of peoples POSITIVE energy not "Oh if it was just all of Gohans ki in that genkidama why didn't Kid Buu get instantly deleted if he's stronger?". 5.) Goku is not stronger than Gohan. He says Buucollo can be handled by Gohan... That's it. He says that because what can Buu do to him? Gohan is RIGHT there and Goku himself saw Gohan whoop Majin Buu earlier through the crystal ball so he relaxed and said "Imma let my mans handle this" NOT "oh he's too weak for me now Gohan step up". Goku admits inferiority to Gohan while he's watching the Majin Buu fight and even against Buuhan he almost crapped himself and tried to fuse with others who would make him NOTECABLY WEAKER. If Kid Buu is stronger than Buuhan then why didn't Goku just transform SSJ3 and obliterate him? Because it's not possible Goku is weaker than Buuhan and would be killed immediately if he tried to fight him. 6.) The reason they call it the "battle of the strongest" is because it is a battle FOR the sake of the Universe it is a title they gave him after being the one who vanquished Kid Buu who terrorized everybody else. Goku, Vegeta and Hercule were the only ones able to fight Kid Buu because everybody else either was dead or had no access to the kaioshin realm and he was exhausted so couldn't teleport anyone anywhere else. That's why when Kid Buu teleported to them the only people left were Vegeta, Goku, and Hercule (by accident). Goku and Vegeta admitted they were selfish in WANTING to be the ones to take Buu down. Not the only ones. 7.)They also gave Gohan "Mightiest Warrior Gohan" in Daizenshuu 2 so like does that title mean anything? No not really. The whole Kid Buu is stronger argument thrives off the idea that Kid Buu is somehow stronger being in his original form... despite them saying his ki shrunk and the idea that Goku is the strongest in the Buu saga when that couldn't be further from the case. He literally craps himself at the sight of Buutenks and Buuhan and even tells Majin Buu that in 3 days a fighter stronger than him will show up (Gotenks) and that fighter could've killed Majin Buu if the timer didn't run out. Gohan also easily overpowers Majin Buu but then you have Goku saying he could outright kill Kid Buu at full power but crapping himself against the base form and other forms of Majin Buu unless someone else is with him? Ye bruh you're tweaked... and you needa stop taking the statements so literally.

@hystor1c Ай бұрын

i was finna make a vid countering this but this isnt worth it. just debate me on discord. its my channel name

@juliomedina-pq2oi 2 ай бұрын

this is why youre washed bro

@TeamWhatvr 2 ай бұрын

Shut up.

@wcom9999 2 ай бұрын

Wdym

@SuperKamiGuruu 2 ай бұрын

@ohhellwhereami2574 2 ай бұрын

@@SuperKamiGuruuhomeless

@Oneshotmaster256 2 ай бұрын

Oh damn so you’re mad

@geoffreyhuysman3632 2 ай бұрын

lot of delusional dbz fans. Isn't even worth debating over. It's as clear as night and day

@Zeno1781 2 ай бұрын

Buuhan stans only argument is Goku saying he was scared of fighting super buu when 1) Goku had no idea if he would return back to his original size after leaving buu’s body 2) Goku was underestimating himself severely 😂 The most likely answer is (1) because Goku DE-TRANSFORM in front of buucollo, who is STRONGER than super buu. He also was confident that he was capable of holding off buutenks long enough for gohan to pick up that damn earring but he is suddenly scared of facing super buu alone???

@joshuameraz2826 2 ай бұрын

Actually you could possibly argue piccolo didn’t really give him power but more brains as that is why he wanted to absorb piccolo

@zaenem 2 ай бұрын

Super buu is still more powerful than ssj3 goku. That's why when buu changes back from gohan absorbed to base super buu goku argues to vegeta that he's more powerful than both of them. But regardless the only point that anyone can make about kid buu being stronger is only in the anime, where some lines contradict other statements and feats. In the manga there is no grey area between buuhan and kid buu, and they make it clear that buuhan is superior, but in the anime they call kid buu the strongest in multiple lines. Maybe we can assume its to emphasize or put more tension towards the final villain of the season, since dbz does that a lot. But there are also a lot of plot holes because of this. Like you stated, Goku outright refuses to even fight with Buuhan, even going as far as to almost fuse with Satan, but when it comes to kid buu, he's a lot more confident on his own abilities and crushes his potara. If kid buu were to be stronger than buuhan, what would make goku act the way that he did? How would he attain the power equal or greater than a fusion in an hour or so? Did he learn some new technique or transformation? No, since this is in the same arc that cant be possible. Did he get a zenkai boost? No, him and vegeta weren't in near death situations and weren't gravely injured, and a zenkai boost giving someone more strength than a fusion is impossible. So considering these common questions, its like they showed us that buuhan is stronger but going off exact statements, one can assume in the anime that kid buu is stronger. It looks like to me a lot of confusion from the anime not really the fans

@Zeno1781 2 ай бұрын

@ 1) Dragon book Z vol.7 calls kid buu the STRONGEST BUU 2) Toriyama interview about making his final and STRONGEST characters the smallest. Frieza was the strongest villain in namek Gohan was the strongest character in the cell saga Kid buu is the strongest in the buu saga 3) dragon ball super chapter 31 4) Anime statements 5) Dragon ball super chapter 1 summary of what has happened thus far. Again calling kid buu the STRONGEST MAJIN BUU 💀 The copium is insane but let’s keep going 6) The screen writer for dragon ball Z. 7) V-jump guide

@Zeno1781 2 ай бұрын

@ all sources that support kid buu is the strongest

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

@zaenem so you didn't watch the video? gotcha

@kbashley720 2 ай бұрын

You really don't need to say much...Buuhan absorbed people and got stronger, kid buu is the result of loosing all he absorbed, he literally would get weaker if he looses his absorbed strength. It's commen sense

@SuperiorGokuGT 2 ай бұрын

Here we go again, using these garbage and classic arguments 💀 Kid Buu is stated to have gotten stronger instead of weaker, and the absorptions were outright stated to have been making him weaker. Kai Debuff > Saiyan Buffs “Common sense” so the pink bubblegum monster who can turn you into candy, shoot lasers out of his hands, fly in the sky, and rip pieces of gum out of his body needs conventional logic? 😂 that’s an argument from incredulity

@UniVS427 2 ай бұрын

You Kid Buu fanboys can make a million videos explaining why you think he's stronger than Buuhan (even base Super Buu for that matter) and it still wouldn't convince me. 🤣🤣🤣And Vegito never stated he didn't need SSJ against Buu either.. no where on that scan did he say that. Even if you wanna go by the anime, Buuhan is much stronger than his manga counterpart due to that temper tantrum he threw when SSJ Vegito was whooping his ass. The ladder had to actually TRY in order to stop the dimensions from collapsing. Kid Buu never performed such a feat. Let's also not act like Buutenks didn't tell Gohan he was "the strongest majin born".

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

nga heard the first 30 secs of the vid and just ran to the comments. he literally says he thought he would be more powerful hence why he turned super saiyan BUT HE WAS WRONG. implying he didn't need it. ur also nitpicking and skipping over elder kai's confirmation. Vegito literally didn't need to try sped, watch the video. you see buuhan attack vegito with that power and vegito was effortlessly slamming still. As for "kid buu never performing such feat" he's stated to make the universe go poof. which implies all at once and sudden. So who scales higher? the guy who can wipe out the universe suddenly or the guy that needs a rage amp to destroy the universe piece by piece? ur pathetic either watch the video fully or debate me. discord is hystor1c.

@ketchupchugger 2 ай бұрын

Ok for starters, how would Super Buu be stronger than Kid Buu when he got molly whopped by Ultimate Gohan who is way weaker than Goku? Secondly, whether Its the anime or manga, Vegito didn't even need SSJ to rock Buuhan badly. Thirdly, the feat that you mentioned is a overtime chain reaction while it was preformed by him being EXTREMELY pissed off Meanwhile Kid Buu: Pushes back the Universal Spirit Bomb, implied that he's capable of blowing up the entire living world, making it gone in a poof if Goku loses against him, was even said that he'll destroy the Afterlife, threatens the Grand Kai's world which is calculated to be the equivalent to destroying the observable universe in octillions of times over, literally have a plethora of statements backing him up being the mightest one with Toriyama HIMSELF openly admits to this idea. Then when it couldn't be anymore clear- Koyama (the literal chief screen writer of the show) repeated himself NUMEOUS TIMES for this being the case all along. Its not about how many that one has absorbed. Its about which character is the most evil. THAT'S the true source of their power. Otherwise Vegeta would've never point out how Buu's power was actually increasing instead of decreasing after losing all the Z fighters in his body. Now why is that? Well there's another statement outside of anime & manga material that only further supports this (forgot where its from) But bear in mind that we're talking about demonic beings. Just have to put 2 n 2 together 👍🏼

@ketchupchugger 2 ай бұрын

He isn't deemed the most dangerous / purest form for nothing.

@ketchupchugger 2 ай бұрын

Oh, and not to mention "the strongest majin born" wouldn't be in reference to Kid Buu because 1. He doesn't have memory of him 2. This is coming from the same person who has two of the most arrogant saiyans with that being Gotenks & Gohan. Buuhan was pretty arrogant against Vegito and it hasn't gotten him anywhere. The series emphazied on this problem

@MadaraUchiha-tx7pv 2 ай бұрын

@@ketchupchuggergohan isn’t weaker then goku tho. Gohan >> base super buu >>> Ssj3 goku ~ kid buu

@chad22345 2 ай бұрын

Doesn’t make any sense to fuse if ss3 goku could have beaten buuhan by himself.

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

@@chad22345 bro please actually watch the video

@chad22345 2 ай бұрын

I watched the full video but please time stamp me where you show why goku is on par or can beat buuhan

@iicdx3475 2 ай бұрын

@@chad22345 Nowhere is that asserted in the video which also proves you didn't watch a singular minute of this video because he addresses as to why ssj3 goku could fight kid buu early on in the video.

@chad22345 2 ай бұрын

@ there is no proof that ss3 goku can beat buuhan or even buutenks lol

@om9959 Ай бұрын

@@chad22345it doesnt matter ,considering kid buu was toying with similarly beerus with ssg goku.Ssj3 being weaker does not affect kid buu scaling.

@SuperiorGokuGT 2 ай бұрын

THANK YOU!!! I’m so glad that there are dragon ball fans out there who have sense. Buuhan fans only think he is the strongest because they’re Gohan fanboys who believe ultimate gohan was the strongest thing ever. I myself have shown people the same evidence you have and they literally ignore it, double down, or try to hide behind the manga as if it negates everything. But when I show scans of Kid Buu’s power was increasing beyond what it was when he was Buuhan, they claim I’m taking it out of context or some other nonsense. I’ve actually seen these people try and deny author statements, attack Toriyama, and say DBS is non-canon because it called Goku and Kid Buu the strongest. It’s actually fascinating the mental gymnastics Buuhan fans suffer from. even the fact that the authors and writers of the show saying Kid Buu is the strongest is not enough for them is insane.

@usuario15965 2 ай бұрын

Dude relax hes wrong

@ohhellwhereami2574 2 ай бұрын

@@SuperiorGokuGT Gohan was strongest thing ever because of his contribution in boo, vegito base couldn't finish him off Nobody attacked Toriyama what?????????????????????? Dbs non canon what?????

@ItsB1998 2 ай бұрын

@@usuario15965Nope he's right

@Fierno0582 2 ай бұрын

Gt is for sure non canon cope hard

@SuperiorGokuGT 2 ай бұрын

@@Fierno0582GT is canon

@thefreestofspeech6951 2 ай бұрын

I've always looked at the argument if a kid was power from the standpoint of. Mr boo exists that's a massive chunk of his power that he doesn't have. To get a full powered Kid Buu you have to remove the impurity which is the former Supreme Court. Boohan in contrast is at his max power.

@isaacperezt6574 2 ай бұрын

I stopped watching when he said buu was holding back having fun. Buu was destruction he had no thoughts past evil destruction. His absorptions gave him his personalities

@ApatheticEntity 2 ай бұрын

This is why i dont take Dragon Ball seriously when it comes to powerscaling. Anime contradicts the manga, vice versa & characters contradict themselves. Rip toriyama, but db can be a huge a mess. Buuhan > Kid buu tho. It narratively makes zero sense for Goku to go from having a panic attack and being so desperate that'd he be willing to fuse with Hercule against Buuhan, still being afraid to fight super buu, then trading blows with kid buu. How does losing all his absorptions, make Buu stronger? Everytime buu absorbed the z fighters, he gained more power. When gotenks defused inside him he lost power, when he lost the rest of the z fighters he lost power and reverted to super buu. See the theme? The only argument i could see is Kid buu possibly being stronger than regular super buu, but buuhan? No chance. Super buu clearly knew exactly what would happen if they ripped out fat buu. You're downplaying this like he is just stating he wouldn't be himself, but don't take into account how he knows that will happen. I believe its far more likely that he knows about Kid buu than you're downplaying

@usuario15965 2 ай бұрын

Yeah basically

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

just debate in the live today. this is simply cope. like all you did was go nuh uh and then give your interpretation😭

@adamt2564 2 ай бұрын

@@hystor1c Just a thought, why would a being have an ability that makes them weaker? It doesn't add up. You are clearly arguing for different sources that aren't consistent with each other and contradict each other constantly, making this video pointless.

@ApatheticEntity 2 ай бұрын

@hystor1c I'm not debating in your live when you clearly don't even read so I'll break it down for you a step further. Answer this question for me. How can you know about something you have no knowledge of to begin with? If I tell a blind man that apples are red, how can he possibly know what "red" looks like? Apply this same logic to buu warning Goku & Vegeta what would happen if they ripped out fat buu and it's pretty damn obvious that he knows exactly what Kid buu is. Takes 3 seconds

@white-vgh 2 ай бұрын

Notice how these two would still get slammed by Cabba 🗣🔥

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

all that for Cabba to lose to base gt goten

@Jajuan44 2 ай бұрын

Regular Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu.

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

come debate it

@ketchupchugger 2 ай бұрын

@@Jajuan44 *massive face palm* Like bro.. lmao💀

@benevolence2926 2 ай бұрын

Kid buu is stated to be the most dangerous buu which is equivalent to being the strongest.

@ketchupchugger 2 ай бұрын

@@benevolence2926 Give around of applause for someone who actually has basic knowledge on the topic they're speaking of 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

@Jajuan44 2 ай бұрын

@@benevolence2926 No it doesn't. It just means Kid Buu is the most unhinged. Super Buu is just as strong if not stronger than Kid Buu. Super Buu wasn't as unhinged. They was able to get Super Buu to wait a long time for Gotenks to get ready, Kid Buu isn't like that at all he appears and destroys the earth without playing around. That's what they mean by most dangerous. Goku frame 1 did not want to fight Super Buu without fusing, but with Kid Buu he's playing rock paper scissors with Vegeta to see who will fight him 1 on 1. If Kid Buu was stronger than Super Buu let alone Buuhan they would have taken Kid Buu more seriously.

@ohhellwhereami2574 2 ай бұрын

Im late gang but my reason for why buuhan solos kid boo in power: 1) Buuhan >super buu meta Super buu casually folded ssj 2 goku and vegeta to point he thinks they have no energy left , vegeta even states in shock he should have fused when he sees super buu from "inside " Negating any argument regarding that he was scared to face him out which isn't the case, doesn't make same fuss about kid boo Goku also says they can't beat him, clearance this is before super buu said they are small as fly here dampening thier power, ao goku wasn't aware about it 2) kid boo being "ichibai yakkai" Meta Which can mean top troublesome, he's stated as this both by narrator and kais both qhen he's first introduced implying he's actually supposed to be troublemsome from start, on later there's only one statement by narrator that may contradict this which is kid boo is most powerful /best enemy but regarding how much early emphasis is put onto his dangerous behavior ut might be a misleading narration as it would contradict itself, there's also kid boo being stated stronger than boo but y'all gotta remember this is during kid boo vs good boo flashack narration mostly declaring kid boo superior over good boo as a recap nothing else It's not most tough meta but it has its merit 3) Kid boo spirit bomb fearing early spirit bomb meta Kid boo actually reacts to early SB in anger and frustation which is powered up by gohan i might add now you can say that just shows that he is slightly intimate by gohan not really overclass *BUTT* goku did say about newly reborn vegeta that he still hasn't recovered energy after being revived which confirms that being revived doesn't really refill energy it only changes your soul location to exist on mortal realm we don't know how much it dampen his power but he was unable to go into ssj state so 50× or higher debuff makes sense which would applyfor gohan as well bear in mind that gohan dying is only a few minutes apart from kid boo fight so realistically he shouldn't have heal by now because we even see goten and trunks who should be more healthy or same as gohan can't go ssj or even fuse to provide fusion genki certainly soldifiying my thesis that gohan is indeed nerfed we can even say he wasn't in ultimate form as his hair seem to be a lot more unstick to each other, so inhindsight gohan donted energy while weakened was enough to outrage and make boo fear to not intervene in the SB directly weaker gohan by the way might even be base..... 4) goku suggests db usagae is early meta Goku suggest db usage a little too early despite being drained to his limit otherwise may be his intention to bring back gohan with restored power to fight boo now counter argument can be about he wants to recharge maybe himself but that would be contradictory itself since goku never seem to use db for himself till vegeta wishing for goku humse it would have crosses his mind but didn't so it's definitely gohan he's talking about since they cant fuse anymore 5) In verse contradiction meta (my final might update) Buuhan clearly remembers he doesn't have sentience when good boo is removed so he to some degree is awarw about kai absorption so if can't gauge his (kid boo) power than he can at least measure kai power boo fought who even forced boo into substituting in order to absorb them , so his being strongest boo makes sense otherwise how it would make sense that he's saying the obvious like we know boo gets stronger through absorption Also supreme kai mention his power was reduces in order to contain him with that addition of "heart " Of kai which may to some degree confirm previously to that he was getting stronger only got softer through good kai absorption which essentially made him weaker so power reduction really doesn't work to define the obvious kid boo>all boo meta Old kai mumbling that with combined effort of goku and vegeta they can beat kid boo he has seen ssj 3 so valid to some degree and he's one to state kid boo powers so unlike for buuhan he thinks they can probably best him without fusion (this anime only but)

@Genki.Z7 2 ай бұрын

Kid Buu>Buuhan has always been the case in EVERY version of the Buu saga. All the evidence shows this to being the case, Buuhan fans don't have any concrete evidence. W hystor1c.

@juliomedina-pq2oi 2 ай бұрын

yeah, goku competing with kid buu but being afraid of fighting base super buu makes sense retard

@Genki.Z7 2 ай бұрын

@@juliomedina-pq2oi Retard, you're bringing up regurgitated arguments that were addressed in the video you're commenting under. Timestamp: 10:50 They were SHRUNKEN to

@cameronscott2938 2 ай бұрын

You can’t be serious.. their only like 1 statement that you could even halfway argue where their is literally a dozen or more statements and feats for buuhan as well as implications

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

@cameronscott2938 no there aren't😭

@cameronscott2938 2 ай бұрын

@@hystor1c you really want me too go down the list? it may take a while

@mrheebee_jeebees2432 Ай бұрын

Yo G, where were you able to get the English translated daizensu scans? Been trying to look into that guide myself

@hystor1c Ай бұрын

chatgpt, deepl

@DfR464 2 ай бұрын

Kid buu solos

@STEVEJobs-l3o Ай бұрын

Kid buu directly stated above all other buu's In anime In guides In toriyama's own opinon Nothing evidence wise supports a buuhan over kid buu position Besides final villians are always the strongest Super perfect cell aint weaker then semi perfecr cell nor is third form freeza weaker then buff fourth form freeza The logic of the series also supports buuhan below kid buu

@oli.complex 2 ай бұрын

So SSJ3 Goku can beat Super Saiyan Vegito?

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

@@oli.complex pay attention to the vid

@oli.complex 2 ай бұрын

@ Please answer the question

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

@ the video answers it. would be redundant to restate something i've alr said

@oli.complex 2 ай бұрын

@@hystor1c You legit never talked abt this. Is he or isn't he?

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

@ yes i did. I said Goku is weaker than buuhan. Buuhan is weaker than vegito. 2+2=4 bro

@gundamfightergaming5364 Күн бұрын

Very obvious indeed. I complain on Quora and Steemit about that idiot Seth the progroomer I mean Programmer but, this is what we need. More of this and more people doing it until they're flooded with it. No more Geekdoms, no more Seths, no more Chucks, no more idiots molding the opinion of the Dragonball Community, most of them I despise to begin with.

@joshuameraz2826 2 ай бұрын

I saw your argument with someone and you said that Goku and vegeta still got zenkais throughout the buu saga. After fusion, and after being brought to life. How would this make sense when during the cell saga it is made abundantly clear that a lot of the sayians don’t recieve that boost in power after getting beat tf up. This is shown with super vegeta vs cell. Trunks vs cell. Some other moments. But it doesn’t make sense to bring zenkais into this

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

@@joshuameraz2826 yea no, you weren't paying attention. that's never said. Vegeta got a boost but it wasn't enough. That's all.

@joshuameraz2826 2 ай бұрын

@@hystor1cthe boost your talkin about is it from being brought to life or not? If so why did he get a power boost?

@suspectv322 2 ай бұрын

I think the only point you missed was the intelligence/strategy aspect (unless I got overloaded with facts), but other than that, bullet proof arguments.

@StummyTicklePickle 2 ай бұрын

the creator literally said buuhan was stronger

@ItsB1998 2 ай бұрын

Misinformation

@ketchupchugger 2 ай бұрын

A lying tongue is considered a sin fam. And not that I'm planning on doing it, (cause I'm not a petty nitpicking human being) but you could genuinely be reported for spreading misinformation across the internet, including here.😭

@StummyTicklePickle 2 ай бұрын

@@ketchupchugger bro i heard it from a video chill out. It's not that deep

@ketchupchugger 2 ай бұрын

@@StummyTicklePickle And you're right. Its not that serious, however to certain ppl it is.

@StummyTicklePickle 2 ай бұрын

@@ketchupchugger the only people who will find it serious are bums who spend their day powerscaling fictional characters instead of being productive in their lives

@oli.complex 2 ай бұрын

Does Kid Buu beat Vegito? 🤦🏾‍♂🤦🏾‍♂

@Ijnek901 Ай бұрын

Vegeto > Kid Buu > Buuhan

@edsongamingjr557 Ай бұрын

@@Ijnek901How so?

@KenyionDouglas 25 күн бұрын

@@Ijnek901Facts

@nickpickxd2138 2 ай бұрын

His is pretty much strictly anime only kid buu and buuhan. Nothing said really applies to the manga as Gohan wasn't cocky in the manga and he no diffed Super Buu but Gotenks cooked Every one. Also the kid buu kills everyone because Gohan already died when earth was destroyed. Manga and Toriyama interpretation has Gohan and Buuhan as the strongest while Anime heavily implies the reverse

@tommygreengus4595 2 ай бұрын

buuhan is clearly stronger... if buu who absorbed gohan and ssj3 gotenks and piccolo and fat buu isnt strong enough to beat vegito ssj2 you think kid buu is beating super saiyan vegito are you mad...

@ketchupchugger 2 ай бұрын

@@tommygreengus4595 You'd have to be the mad one for trying to insinuate something that he already openly disagrees with💀 also Vegito never used SSJ2

@tommygreengus4595 2 ай бұрын

@@ketchupchugger wait what are u saying

@ketchupchugger 2 ай бұрын

@@tommygreengus4595 He doesn't think Kid Buu can beat Vegito. No one in the show is stepping to him period.

@tommygreengus4595 2 ай бұрын

glad we can agree

@ketchupchugger 2 ай бұрын

@@tommygreengus4595 Yea, bro's a beast😭.

@Ijnek901 Ай бұрын

Kid buu is the strongest Buu.

@mufasa5288 2 ай бұрын

You cooked🔥

@JadoBouhzam 2 ай бұрын

Kid buu is stronger people cry about it people goku got a huge zenkai boost after splitimg from vegeta also inside buus body goku in just ssj was fighting and overwelming ultimate gohan the same ultimate gohan who was stated as strong as he was pre absorbed also kid buu was threatening the kai planet which was heaven with a simple ki blast the samw heaven which was as large as the living universe where it needed a buuhan showting and gettimg very angry and exerting actual effort to do it overtime

@Espurr.8 2 ай бұрын

This should be interesting because of how some people that buuhan is the strongest and some say kidbuu is the strongest

@Simo-d3t 2 ай бұрын

finally someone who speaks facts

@om9959 Ай бұрын

The same kid buu who pushed a spirit which every single z fighters combined.Spirit bomb by itself stated be strongest energy ever and a krytonite for kid buu.Stronger than fodder buuhan who only absorbed half as much people.Kid buu is a deity with god ki who was sealed away by grand kai absorbtion and cheap personality without god ki took over called super buu.Super buu has nothing to do with kid by stated by superbuu himself other both sharing same body similar too kurama and naruto.

@lordfingerman1 25 күн бұрын

Super buu is stronger ... is a fact nothing to talk more

@hystor1c 25 күн бұрын

@@lordfingerman1 you don't have proof.

@heroricspiritfreinen38 2 ай бұрын

This was a very bad video, this is why i only stick to Seth vids. He explained why kidd buu wins much better. Sorry man.

@hystor1c 2 ай бұрын

@@heroricspiritfreinen38 i really didn't ask

@mattcoorey2580 2 ай бұрын

Nah disagree ,This is an excellent video. Although I completely disagree with the points made, it presents the best argument I’ve heard so far for why Kid Buu could be considered stronger than Buuhan.

@Mypic-isnot-what-it-looks-like 2 ай бұрын

U probably a pedo like seth😂

@ItsB1998 2 ай бұрын

@@Mypic-isnot-what-it-looks-likechill bro 😭

@Mypic-isnot-what-it-looks-like 2 ай бұрын

@@ItsB1998 my comment got deleted bruh

@RandomName-xx9ls 2 ай бұрын

People that dont believe kid buu can hold back are weird, thats like saying him emoting on vegeta was a strategy and was important to their battle. The entire time he was messing around.

@ohhellwhereami2574 2 ай бұрын

Actually kid boo feeds of negative emotion him emoting to make them feel pathetic is a source to negative emotion buu desired as he's evil incarnate

@SuperKamiGuruu 2 ай бұрын

You outta see how they cope over pure buu striking hercule multiple times

@ohhellwhereami2574 2 ай бұрын

@@SuperKamiGuruu ☝🤓

@SuperiorGokuGT 2 ай бұрын

@@SuperKamiGuruutheir cope is worse when you use Vegeta as an example. Base Vegeta would be somewhat comparable to SSJ3 Goku if Kid Buu wasn’t holding back 😂 or SSJ2 Goku would be able to throw hands with his ascended form, SSJ3