Kill Team Moroch! Worth the Price?

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[@The_MightyJingles]

Most expensive Kill Team box ever, doesn't even come with enough terrain for a proper match. Games Workshop, classy as ever.

[@thedurpytenk456]

Did not expect to find our gnome overlord here

[@bogatyr2473]

...the crossover I never expected.

[@pavma7]

The funniest thing is the first killteam box in 2018, is still the best according to value. The terrain alone cost around 130 bucks and the box cost 130 bucks so pretty much all the units and books were free at that point.

[@quickdiy8127]

One 3d printer or one box of figures hmm

[@vothbetilia4862]

@@quickdiy8127 the purpose to have a printer is to constantly print shit, not only that, resin is dangerous to handle and a single mess up can be pretty bad. That being said the price value is entirely different for different countries, so the saying the printer is cheap is a absolute fucking lie. I'm not saying the box is any better. But both are pricey as shit.

[@lippalappa3189]

Waiting for the blooded kill team to be sold separately.

[@shadowofhawk55]

Laughs in Starstriders and Gellarpox

[@jc7997aj]

There may be some pirates sailing the digital sea that could help out. 😉

[@kglguy]

I'm still waiting for the corsairs to release separately.

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

Guys the vetern Guadrdsmen/ TaciOrks are sold seperatly so why not this?

[@skazkatzroy3444]

Kill Team is great, played more of it than 40k in the last couple months.

[@Questioningbasics]

I've played 15 Kill Team games this year. Barely played 5 games of 40k.

[@yourwebsitesucks8601]

For those wondering/unaware, you CAN take Reivers in a Phobos Kill Team, but they're not included in the box

[@macras3887]

I can't wait to see what you do with Heresy my guy

[@axcel9128]

He already said he wont play it

[@gimli2642]

@@axcel9128 why?

[@AcornPlays]

@@axcel9128 that will last about 7 mins, man also said he wanted to play every tabletop game in the world

[@TheKingsPride]

It’s funny because I was disappointed in the Phobos Strike Team from all the promo material until I started building them. I kind of fell in love with the bits from the upgrade sprue and I had personally never built the Infiltrator/Incursor set and that’s honestly a great kit. I had a ton of fun building them.

[@kengeerts1406]

I always said the best fix for SM would be a white dwarf team. The WD teams have a habit of "pick several from this list"

[@senti5468]

It feels like that buiilding and fence belong with the old Sector Fronteris Terrain and that new bunker belongs with some nice trenchline and other terrain that's not itself vantaga points.

[@greymoonz1]

Jay : says the words "Games Workshop" Auto subtitles : fuck this shit i'm out

[@Hobby_Technology]

I really like the terrain, while it should not be seen as a complete board it adds a really nice variance to a pre-existing board with a vantage point that isn't as high as others, creating a kind of 3-stage height system. I hope I can find someone selling the terrain as I don't really care for the minis in this one

[@themightylebeau]

The old school traitor guardsman have reappeared in the new 40k Darktide videogame, I used to have those models from Forge World,kinda wish I never sold them now because I'd love them in Kill Team

[@Thoadin]

hope u gonna make a battle report with that starship trooper game :p

[@beng6149]

I hope to see a whole box that I find worth buying. All I have is a box of Ork Kommandos. I need the books and other supplies needed to play though lol. Might end up being more expensive than buying the Octarius box huh?

[@TheKingsPride]

You actually can mix and match with Incursors, Infiltrators, and Reivers.

[@Mensch777]

Here is my conundrum with kill team. The "old" kill team was amazing for building fluffy interesting lists while the gameplay was rather unfriendly to "lore". The new kill team seems to have great rules to represent different units in the game (havn't played myself but I watched some battle reports) but the list building is somewhat flat. They changed it with the kill team boxes and white dwarf articles (mostly those imo) to some degree and I hope more articles and rules for more mixed kill teams (like the genestealer cults one) will come out but right now I am still sad about my Black Templar crusader squat (first born) with scouts being unplayable.

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

...Yeah how did they come to $210 again? Each team is like $50-$60 and their is 2 teams... you get a card board, terain and a thin book... How is this More expensive then octarus which was fairly priced if not even a good deal compaired to other TT wragames? Like what was GW thinking with that price?

[@TheRealKoltoroc]

this box was totally worth it for me. It had 75% of the big sector fronteris terrain box including all the new pieces, 2 kill teams with one having the traitor command models from blackstone fortress that go for stupid prices on ebay and the new book for less than the standalone terrain box. I wanted to get the new fronteris terrain regardless and was contemplating to get the traitor command minis for ebay prices even so yes, totally worth it. To be fair, the terrain might not be ideal for kill team but simply for the savings this box is great

[@elzordack4589]

40k Shades of tan sand

[@BigFrenchNose]

Kill team newbie here. I have the starter kill team box (krieg, Kommandos + a terrain covers). With this terrain, would it be enough to build a good battlefield? Cheers!

[@matthewjohnson1415]

Probably not. You probably need at least double what you get in one of these kill team boxes for a full 40k game.

[@ivansmirnov7342]

If you’re talking Kill Team - most likely. The basic starter (it’s the one you’ve got, right?) provides a decent amount of scatter terrain. These terrain sets are quite different in terms of the visual style though and will clash heavily. A set of GW containers will fit this box much better both in terms of gameplay (better obscuring, possible vantage points, barrels and boxes can be stacked together to serve as a decent light cover) and visuals. There’s also that old killzone box with four containers and a crane. Though both kits are a bit pricey for my taste.

[@aerouge4492]

Squad-Killteam when?

[@BB-pn2qv]

Just to let you know, most competitive players have been loving the Phobos team and shocked how deep it is.

[@michaeltunnicliffe4935]

I think Kill Team is missing a massive trick. What made the first Kill Team 21 set so appealing was the addition of affordable, plastic Krieg to Kill team and by extension, to 40K. As well as some much needed new Ork Commando models. They could have so easily made a box with just ordinary Cadians, but no. It was new, it was fresh, it was bringing something different. And then the game excelled with Nachmund. Aeldari Corsairs were not only new and fresh, but unlike Krieg, these were new models which were previously unavailable. It introduced something completely new and unique. And the new box is similar with Traitor Guard. But standard Chaos Space Marines were cool but not exciting in the Nachmund box. And I'd argue these Phobos are neither cool nor exciting. Same with the Tau Pathfinders in Chalnath. I wish both sides of the box were brand new models for either old, resin forge world, or never seen before units. Like when we know that the World Eaters are returning, they could have held off and released new Khorne Beserkers for a different box instead of old tired Chaos Marines. And instead of Phobos Space Marines, maybe they could have used a Forge World Horus Heresy unit, brought to GW in Plastic rather than resin. Something which ties into the new Horus Heresy release, gives us something for 40K AND Kill team AND Horus Heresy. Or if you want to go the Space Marine route but need something a bit more unique, Primaris Sanguinary Guards or Tyranic War Veterans (although they would have been an even more awesome team to stick in a box with some new Tyranids.) Or maybe, they could have had a more even match up and had Traitor Guard vs Imperial Guard Penal Legions, Which have been in the IG codex for years, but have never had a dedicated model. These would all be something uniquely new and exciting for Kill team, playable in 40K and more enticing than just releasing some standard Marines with an upgrade sprue. And taking Kill Team even further. Why is there not kill team rules for Gaunts Ghosts. It feels like Gaunts Ghosts would be a perfect kill team. How about tying in kill team to the videos games and having a Blood Raven Dawn of War inspired Kill team or a Space Marine kill team with Captain Titus. Kill Team could be awesome for bringing famous characters and teams from the Black Library or from other medias to the table top. They don't need to be in big boxsets, just release more single squad boxes for unique kill teams, like they did with all the big box teams after the release of the big boxes. And whilst we are on this subject of single team boxes dedicated to Kill Team. Why not make some boxes of Kill Teams for the Inquisition, or the Imperial Assassins. Again, units like this would be great. Tau & Kroot can make a kill team but they forgot about Vespids. What about a brand new sculpt for some plastic Vespids in some awesome dynamic poses. And rogue trader units. I'm amazed they are bringing Squats back, but I somewhat miss the dorky looking design. I'm happy with starting an army of the Leagues of Votaan but some original style Squats with their biker look released as a Kill Team would be awesome. And maybe bring back the Beastmen or the Zoats or some units I cannot remember the name of but they were like frog men. They don't need full armys to return like Squats, but certainly some Kill Team exclusive teams of Beastmen or Zoats would be awesome. And taking it one, even bigger step further. I would suggest they release a book, with a small spin off. No need for new models, just an expansion. Why do they not have a kill team game, in which you can field 5 Horus Heresy era Space Marines and a Primarch against other Primarchs/ 5 Space Marines. To keep it all fair, limit it to just the 18 Space Marine Legions and keep the rules for all the Primarchs balanced. It could be a great little side expansion game. No need to release box sets for it. The models are already out their. And I know they are on the expensive side, but it might encourage a few more people to pick up a Horus or Rogal Dorn model. And all they would have to do is release 1 expansion book. Kill Team can be so much more. And whilst it is great as it is, I just feel like having some real new and exciting models and bringing new stuff to the table top would make it even more exciting and awesome.

[@jc7997aj]

Awwww mom ! Tan sand again ! Yuck !

[@happyhunter]

NO

[@benlewton3526]

biggest shame with the marines team is that they dont have access to eliminators.... those guys could fit the sniper archetype perfectly (and most importantly they are phobos team

[@bagel_guy9495]

Eliminators have 40mm bases compared to the 32 of all other phobos units so you can't even just put it down as a proxy

[@benlewton3526]

@@bagel_guy9495 Try me XD

[@bauguilhugo9037]

@@bagel_guy9495 That's exactly what i did for the Incursor Sniper !

[@dnaseb9214]

Maybe they too strong

[@drrhino_]

Every time you say "tan sand" I keep expecting Dana Howl to pop up and say " nono it's called PALE sand" hahaha great video as always Jay

[@jc7997aj]

Every painter (even bad ones) needs to have some pale sand. I think a good argument could be made that it may be the most versatile paint out there.

[@jeffreygeorge8884]

GW missed a huge opportunity to lure Kill Team players into trying big 40K, and 40K players into buying the Kill Team boxes, by mis-matching the tan sand. I'd have been more than happy if one side of each Kill Team board in a given year was 1/4 of a single, large, semi-generic 40K board, and each reverse side was some very different terrain, appropriate to the teams and the terrain in its particular box. To give us tan sand after tan sand, and *not* have it match up into a larger board wasn't even the kind of shady, exploitive stuff GW usually does. It was just a careless oversight, resulting in a lost opportunity. Sigh.

[@pavma7]

This is way to smart for GW

[@jeffreygeorge8884]

@@pavma7 GW never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

[@CMTechnica]

@@jeffreygeorge8884 I hate how accurate that is But it’s unsurprising and true

[@thephoenixstudio]

I doubt many kill team players want to play 40k.... We play Kill Team to avoid alpha strikes tabling us turn 1...

[@shrike2598]

The most expensive kill team box YET!

[@leiziru9642]

There's always a bigger fish

[@carlostapia4523]

Jay if you're reading the comments sometime could you make a video about the starship troopers game?

[@ParkerPG]

210 Dollar?! I feel sorry for you Guys over there. I bought mine on Saturday and paid 136€ at my local Gamingstore. Even at the GW Store its "only" 160€ here.

[@anotherzingbo]

You can include Reivers in a Phobos kill team, you just can't build them from the kits supplied in this box. Their rules are in the Moroch book, but they don't get mentioned in the build instructions. Also traitor guard were in Blackstone Fortress so this is not their first outing since Forge World discontinued their range, but the second. The Blackstone Fortress models even got 40k rules but only as part of a Servants of the Abyss force, not as a dedicated traitor guard one.

[@egnaroelprup]

you also can't use the grapple it's actually outrageous

[@henryrodriguez6260]

Yes, you can take grapnel launcher with Reivers

[@Questioningbasics]

@@egnaroelprup You can take the Grapnel but you have to pay 3EP for it now.

[@romanlizun5289]

@@Questioningbasics 3??? That slipped out of my eye Outrageous But still gonna get one for rieverserg

[@acererak_957]

It really does seem like the Traitor Guard left the space marines in the “Tan Sand” little disappointing but there’s only so much you can do with them.

[@daili4917]

Thanks for the review, I was almost tempted by The Blooded but the space marines really turned me off - I am glad I got Octarius, I have no FOMO over the rest of the boxes so far. ...that may change if a bespoke Necron kill team box is released however!

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

Oh you can buy the box conetnts in seperated so these boxs are more as a discount fun starter box then a limited edtion box.

[@daili4917]

@@GreenBlueWalkthrough True, if you're prepared to wait...which I am as I have only just yesterday fully painted my Kommandos! On top of which I still have 14 more Krieg veterans and all the Octarius terrain to paint...yeah no more big boxes for me for now (unless Necrons...maybe Leagues of Votann...).

[@jacket2848]

@@GreenBlueWalkthrough you currently can't buy the blooded from GW, and who knows how long it will take when there's only 4 KT squad boxes so far?

[@johnbeaudoin7820]

I might grab the Blooded when they come out separately, but if I wanted big, boxy terrain I would call upon the Adeptus Kleenexus.

[@mrwabbit9576]

Kill team always seemed like just a new way to charge more for fewer models. Over the last couple of years their price per model on boxed games has increased an unbelievable amount. Love the continuation of traitor guard though. Can't wait to add them to my display alongside my Blackstone fortress traitors

[@andydogdad4349]

New kill team is the best gw game currently supported!!!!

[@henryrodriguez6260]

Tied with Underworlds (WU) for me, but WU is a boardgame so it is comparing apples to pears.

[@andydogdad4349]

@@henryrodriguez6260 I've actually only heard good things about underworld! I might have to give it a try

[@dnaseb9214]

"Space marines not getting the game to evolve around the faction" A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

[@doctoradventure413]

I think a big missed opportunity for the space marines could’ve been a unique upgrade spru for a non ultramarine chapter to have the Phobos marines become a unique unit with its own flavor

[@gribblegreeble]

The starter set was far and away the best... both Ork and Krieg were awesome and the terrain was cool. All three subsequent sets had one cool team (Sisters, Eldar, Guard) and one meh. The terrain here will be cheaper than on its own, and for really wanting that and Guard, it may be better to get the box and save than separately since the Marine sprues are useless.

[@darkowl9]

One thing I did really like in the 2018 KT was that the books were for everyone, and they got you excited about trying a new faction. The problem with the books of course, was that they didn't properly mesh together (Commanders can't be used in Arena etc.). That aside though, Kill Team 2021 has the interesting factions initially wrapped up in expensive box sets. It's like... who _are_ these big boxes _for?_

[@JorgeLopez-iv4wh]

For people like me who just started the hobby

[@darkowl9]

@@JorgeLopez-iv4wh Yeah hmm. For someone just starting in the hobby, or let's say you were suggesting someone to start, telling them they have to buy a $350AUD box, plus another $84AUD book with the core rules in it, plus the $55AUD KT Essentials, plus tools and glue and likely paints... that's not exactly the easiest "in" to the tabletop wargaming hobby, right? It's a huge investment.

[@JorgeLopez-iv4wh]

@@darkowl9 I mean I have gotten the starter set and the past kill team boxes , I almost spent a lot of money on Age of sigmar or 40k but killteam was a better starter for me

[@kredelmann]

You can actually bring Reivers in the Killteam but they are not in the box

[@egnaroelprup]

biggest crime of all you can't use the grapple hook

[@Nonpain]

@@egnaroelprup you can its equipment : grapple launcher for 1ep

[@jack-a-lopium]

Kill Team: Great game, and great for reps! You could develop some serious muscles (or a joint strain) just lifting that box!

[@RetroFoamStudios]

Hi, I got the 40k starter recruit edition to see if the game(s) were something that I would like. I started putting the base paint on the marines and then just forgot about it. Do I need to paint them to play? That part kind of made me lose interest

[@eneaceribelli8023]

No, painted models are not necessary. It is recommended because a painted mini looks better than gray plastic but it is not mandatory to play, unless you want to play in competitive tournaments. In the end, it is a hobby and it is your journey, so you decide how to do it and what to skip.

[@RetroFoamStudios]

@@eneaceribelli8023 thanks!

[@odharrison23]

Well SIR! I guess I shall take my refined palate for earth tones of coarse fine rock to another channel!!! (I tip my top hat and bow out gracefully.)

[@micheal4526]

I bought the basic starter set and am waiting for one of the “next step” sets to catch my eye, none of them have checked all the boxes but this one gets close, probably still gonna wait but it’s definitely a good kit

[@daz4377]

Not a fan of the teams tbh. Nice terrain though

[@drigoleus1055]

I really hope to see my best friend in spain soon and get him to the warhammer store in madrid Althou hes playing dmc so he has a fair point Also I think they shoud paint the phobos marines as raven guard raptors or even the retributors from astartes

[@BigFrenchNose]

The GW shop in Madrid is very cool, but I would recommend buying stuff at any other Hobby Store, they usually have every GW products at 10 to 15% discount!

[@lucasfernandez5362]

I live close to madrid, and kingdom wargames is an awesome store

[@drigoleus1055]

@@lucasfernandez5362 sweet Il keep it in mind

[@robertmeade5562]

In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only sand.

[@maciekwilkosz6377]

Since when were Space Marines strong in current Kill Team? In my experience they are terrible...

[@ghostzone985]

I am new to kill team and Warhammer universe. I am able to buy moroch box for 102 EUR in my local store. I also still can buy Octarius for 105 EUR. I mean big bulky boxes with all the terrain etc. Do you think it is worth to grab both of them or is any of them better than another? I like commandos more though

[@kglguy]

Octarius has the better terrain, in my opinion.

[@ghostzone985]

@@kglguy yeah I also like that more. At least aesthetically

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

Ah yes the 40k points sytem like the unique no one else has 40k dice... That said on to my point the reason why most games have a points system is customiztion and flexablity which is why I have a points sytem in my Universal Wargame RPG... Which is oddly more like battle tech then 40k... I do use a dD6pool like 40k though, For Kill team it's importaint to be able to use any model in 40k so you can have a massive back log nnot the current drip feed and hope your favoite models get added... Like can you use Space marine supperessers/ the hundred speical luetents in Kill team 2? But I do agree on the rule should be differnt for the scale but I Woukd like to take any 40k model and use it on this scale.

[@chazwiseman5326]

Cheers for the vid, now hurry up and do a vid of you painting traitor guards, pretty please

[@rhystaylor-wallbank2402]

I dare you to build and paint the intire box in 7 days

[@hugheja89]

Sounds like you’d like more tan sand boards

[@JMcMillen]

Games Workshop did have a sprue of bunker ruins that came with the original Killzone Kill Team: Sector Fronteris box from a few years ago. Unfortunately, it was one of those kits that was produced in China, so they may not have made a mold for those ruins back in the UK. Which is a shame because 3-4 sprues of that would have been way more useful than the landing pad.

[@friendlyneighborhoodclown7754]

Question. Currently all of the space marine kill teams that you can make using the compendium have 4-6 models but this team has 10, so are these marines half as strong? Or did they change all space marines to be weaker with new rules?

[@eneaceribelli8023]

Nope. To elaborate, each compendium astartes team gets 6 models, and thats it. Instead bespoken teams, such as the phobos, have a rooster of 20 models from which the operatives are selected before the battle, up to the maximum number of members and respecting the construction rules (no more than 1 specialist can be selected more than once except the basic warrior guys) Hope to have been of help

[@friendlyneighborhoodclown7754]

@@eneaceribelli8023 thanks a lot

[@mycatistypingthis5450]

"One of them is very interesting... and the other one is space marines". That's my usual sentiment with GW.

[@henryrodriguez6260]

To be fair, gameplay-wise, the Phobos team is quite interesting to play. Lots of deep decisions to make on team selection, ploy and ability choices.

[@goralein]

I will never ever again play a compendium team against a team from the boxes... :D

[@Materia-Hunter]

I love new Kill Team, the scale feels great.

[@supervike1]

You mentioned @9:50 how if this was your first entry into Kill Team, you're kinda stuck. Indeed this box was my first foray into KILL TEAM. Not only am I 'kind of stuck' but the game is unplayable, since you need the core rules to play. It doesn't seem to mention that fact ANYWHERE on the box. I guess you're just supposed to know that this is only an expansion, and you need rules, dice, and counters. Of course all the models and components are fantastic GW quality, like always, but I was a bit bummed on reading the MOROCH book that I'll need the 'Core rules' to play the game.

[@Benry87]

>Puts people on blast for bitching about the lack of variety for Space Marines in Killteam 2 >Proceeds to bitch about the lack of variety for Space Marines in Killteam 2 I like your content, but this was stupid. I'm obviously not the arbiter of knowledge for the GW community, but after everyone got over the way squads were constructed, the main complaint I've read about Space Marines in KT2 is that they have like, five squads that are basically one unique guy and five clones (if the Intercessors, Assault Intercessors, Reivers, Infiltrators, and Incursors all have five generic operatives, why can't you mix and match squad members?). As you noted, this box does nothing to remedy that and, to add insult to injury, chose the least popular Primaris models that have already oversaturated the Start Collecting and Combat Patrol Space Marines boxes. I honestly hate Phobos. I don't like their tacticool look, their lower legs make no sense, and the fact that they're more lightly armored yet have the same armor save as fully armored Space Marines is silly. If they were, say, the Primaris replacement for Scout Marines, then sure. But it just feels like another "let's make more bespoke shit so customers need to spend more" move by GW.

[@theeinqusition1]

Not even looking at the rest of the video after your intro. *NOTHING* directly from GW is worth the price. From over pricing and ruining content creators. *NOTHING* directly from GW is worth buying

[@TheStoicArmyPainter]

Yeah I'm kind of over buying new GW models. Walked in to lgs to pick up box of hh marines "oh that's maybe coming out in another month, but you can buy this big box!" ... 😐🤨

[@chrisshurtz5541]

Watching this after purchasing the box... As my first Kill Team experience. Thankfully I have a Resin Printer, so I'll just print some extra terrain. But it still stings a bit.

[@brickmanager2984]

Noob question: are datacards included in the individual kill team boxes? (E.G. Like if I had the core rules and picked up the Adepta Sororitas Novatiates, would I have all the rules needed to run that killteam?

[@boldfacedred1023]

Since this doesn’t have enough terrain. Can I use more? Like add terrain in the middle? Sorry if this might be a stupid question. I’m new to table top WH40k.

[@mopspear]

Jay what's your favorite part of making KZbin videos?

[@richardbradley2335]

I use the lid to put my army in before a game and use that fantastic black box for scenery.

[@edimusprime]

So I bought a big ol mierce miniatures demon and I was feeling all cool. Then I remembered, I can't paint. So yea if you could go ahead and start a khorne daemon army and make paint videos that would be great. Thank you

[@imperialjake114]

I don’t like the way the lists are built now. I like the old system. I have played new edition about ten times. It’s confusing to a 40K player. The old system in my opinion prepares someone to play 40K.

[@CMTechnica]

Dude I’d kill for anything other than the sand boards. It got old real quick. Hopefully the next rotation that leaked as Spacehulk has better boards

[@piotrjeske4599]

Cant bring Terminators , but custodes exist. And you should be happy you spent money on an army which became illegal.

[@anarcho-angron6297]

How does this cost 210 Dollars? I bought it for 130 Euros, why is that stuff so expensive in america

[@BauthorFowler]

Are you in the US or Canada? Because if the $200+ price tag was American, then... 😮

[@Isador911]

you mean they made squads of space marines act as squads. This makes perfect sense and gives the ability to make death watch unique and powerful again.

[@ironalex28]

I'm more upset it's phobos marines, it would've been much more interesting if it was a deathwatch killteam But what I was REALLY hoping for was a Legion of the damned killteam Still waiting for both a rogue trader and an Inquisitor killteam Let's hope it's better than these marines...

[@shadowofhawk55]

Wait, you can’t bring Old School Marines? What is this frelling dren?

[@nidhoggvomwalde2280]

I buyed a half box on eBay, because I didn't wanted the whole content... That was pricy...

[@lokalnyork]

10:50 my god, yes. Why GW? Have one side in tan sand, and have other sides with something different (those don't need to match).

[@ShadowCoH316]

Reivers actually are in the list of options. They're not included in the kill team box, but you can use them. The Reiver Sargent is my go-to leader.

[@heckinmemes6430]

Dude, squats came back. Nothing is off the table for coming back from the dead.

[@joesturn7740]

If you buy 1 set of Pegasus sandbag terrain to go with this terrain, you will have enough terrain to get you by.

[@bludragon77]

Why do we always get the scout marines in kill team box set. Or combat patrols and not primaris

[@ggadmire]

I have been wondering what they will do with necrons, im not sure what kind of new minis they could give other than like immortals or deathmarks

[@petrowegynyolc7108]

Naah Jay, this is the CHEAPEST KT starter box for the next decade!

[@maxxon99]

I almost bought this, but then I heard I'd also need to buy the basic rules separately...

[@waywardhero1177]

Honestly I’m ok with space marines not being an A tier army, it would feel mean spirited if they were always amazing. The only thing I want is to just fold the assault intercessors with the normal ones. Just so there is some flexibility, I didn’t think they needed a 6th model.

[@ttoo1830]

Meanwhile TT Combat has a similar terrain for quite less. Not that detailed but it is the same terrain

[@HuntingHeresy]

Boring? Just make them Deathwatch Phobos marines.

[@williamings773]

I really want the traitor guard to add to my Blackstone Fortress rabble.

[@Nonpain]

i just wish marines would be able to use melters and a plasma gun or at least a plasmapistol for the sargent .

[@neilandrews2995]

Star Command I see no sign of intelligent life anywhere, over.

[@magnusmillerwilson]

Dude your tan sand rant was so funny!!! Keep preaching, sir!

[@lordkoth6735]

I don't like the models in this kit however that's some cool terrain

[@croxley3000]

Well with tau u just get some pathfinders…..

[@bauguilhugo9037]

Phobos actually did a remarcable entrance this week-end in the tournaments, looks like a really great team ans people will need to adapt a lot to them

[@Scarfy397]

Yeah, they're a solid team if you know how to use them right. Each model is a nice mountain of wounds with some decent damage output. Just gotta remember they're not like other marines and deploy guerilla style.

[@bloop4754]

By god I just want a deathwatch box kill team

[@kiesarisunny13]

For some reason that rant about sand reminds me of Anikan

[@Prikelywombat]

I want the traitor guard just for the dude with sawed off shot gun

[@DonFrom013]

hahaha im laughing because of the tan sand rant :P