"Kill the Indian, Save the Man" - Carlisle Boarding School - US History - Extra History

[@extrahistory]

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[@malaksafa4074]

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[@alicerivierre]

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[@Direblade11]

Maybe do a proper series on Canadian Residential Schools. This is not just some little American problem, it was so much bigger and so much worse.

[@WhyGodby]

The Canadian system of catholic church run residential schools did not end until the late 90s Every single Canadian of aboriginal heritage I know, has had their entire family scarred by this system

[@nicholaspoling9691]

When they use Toxic, Abusive, Cultish practices nothing good could ever come from it. In this video we see at least 2: Isolation (removal of support networks) and dependency ("where are you going to go?") If you want I suggest watching TheraminTrees or Prophet of Zod on KZbin. Or cover Steven Hassan. A Cult is just a Toxic, Abusive relationship taken to an extreme. There are institutions that can be Cults without having anything to do with Religion. Watch and find the patterns.

[@leonhardeuler7647]

I like how Pratt was an amazing humanitarian for his time but his biases regarding cultural integration, especially linguistic and social, still caused harm to the very people he wanted to "save". It shows how even arguably good intentions can still lead to horrible consequences due to misunderstanding and single mindedness on the part of the "saviours".

[@TheRmbomo]

And then others mimic the same actions with or without the same 'good intentions' and it gets corrupted like a tragic game of telephone by exploitation.

[@jose.lfurtado6245]

That would've explained his Megalomania

[@ramenbomberdeluxe4958]

It’s a common delusion by the colonizers and their modern day sympathizers. People will whine that empires like Rome and Britain were “civilizing the savages” and “did good things and gave you [insert technological or other modern thing here]”, as if that justifies their superiority complex and years of oppression and senseless torment they brought on the peoples they conquered. As if the natives were savages to begin with…

[@TheKersey475]

It's scary how he was seen as a bleeding heart philanthropist in his own time because the other option of literal physical genocide was considered an acceptable (even encouraged) option at the time.

[@cabellones]

"hell is full of good intentions"

[@NicoBabyman1]

“Congratulations! You are being rescued. Please do not resist.”

[@bbirda1287]

My Grandmother was sent to Indian boarding school. She dealt with mental problems her whole life, and had several nervous breakdowns. She forced my mother as a child to scrub the floors of the entire house on her hands and knees every day just like she did at the boarding school, or my mother was severely punished. There is a split with her family that remains to this day. 3 generations suffered trauma because of it.

[@Praisethesunson]

Well as long as that keeps you all from organizing in mass to fight for equality or power with your economic masters. Your intergenerational hardship is the price your masters willingly pay.

[@-sannest.italian.ever-]

I'm sorry for what happened to your family for those things that Canada did to the american native...i'm studying right now Canada and i wanted to talk about this topic...i hope your're doing well now...and love from Italy 🇮🇹♥️ to you and your family...i'm very sorry about this...

[@patriotadam4091]

Im so sorry

[@Hamster_Hanger]

🧢

[@reemsaif3105]

I'm so sorry that happened to her. Sending love n light and blessings your family ✨️

[@Munchkin.Of.Pern09]

I did a project about residential schools in my ninth grade Canadian History class. That summer, I visited my grandparents in Alberta, and I was sitting in my grandpa’s car waiting for him to come back out of the convenience store with the bread and milk when I realized that I had never actually processed up until that point that he’s indigenous. Their house was filled with indigenous art, and he gave me a dreamcatcher when I had night terrors as a small child - a dreamcatcher I still keep in my room to this day - and I had never questioned it. I was suddenly so afraid to ask him what his childhood was like. When I finally managed to ask, he told me that he was one of the children taken during the Sixties Scoop. He was from the Sawridge First Nation.

[@lindenshepherd6085]

Wow. That's intense. I'm glad you did ask him, though. These stories are as hard to share as they are necessary.

[@bonefetcherbrimley7740]

That's cool he gave you a dream catcher. I hope you and him had a good friendship.

[@nathanlandry1016]

From Pikwakanagan in Ontario. There are still lasting issues from the residential school program that permeate every aspect of the community. Constantly have to remind people that the last one in Canada closed in ‘96

[@LovelyBreadLoaf21000]

When you mentioned dreamcatcher I remember my grandma used to have one when I was a kid and it was in the doorway of her bedroom

[@Eosinophyllis]

I’ve a similar story. My Red River Métis grandfather basically never talked about his school experience or his childhood in general. I only recently learnt that he’d gone to a catholic school on a teenager, and it doesn’t take a genius to realize the implications of that.

[@connorhilchie2779]

As someone who has a grandmother who was almost shipped off to a residential school in Canada, thank you guys for doing this video. I hope people can see that the scars we bear are still very fresh and very real

[@iulaihe51299]

how'd she get out of it you said almost what happened to stop it

[@connorhilchie2779]

@@iulaihe51299 She had to hide her Mi'kmaq heritage. If she hadnt she would have been dragged off, and most likely wouldn't have survived

[@iulaihe51299]

@@connorhilchie2779 she sounds like a brave woman I heard some schools had secret meetings where they kept thrir native language and traditions alive

[@Bluedog92403]

I'm Navajo and I'm fully aware of this ugly system that has affected all native american cultures and to this day as a result of this system our cultures are at the risk of dying out, because the only people left practicing our cultures are the elderly but they're starting to die out especially thanks to the covid-19 pandemic. But there are a few members of the younger generation who are trying to learn about their heritage so they can practice their traditions themselves including me. At a young age I was unaware of my tribe's culture and traditions I didn't even know I was Navajo until I was 10 but since those years since I found out that I was a Navajo I decated the last 8 years of my life into learning more about my culture and heritage. And to this day I still have a lot to learn, I'm passionate about it even if it comes at a cost for example the first thing I did after learning about my heritage is to stop cutting my hair as it was tradition for men to have long hair but now that I have long hair as a result I suffered discrimination in school I even got it trouble with the teachers because of it and I only got away with it when I told them I was protected by the 1st amendment of the U.S. constitution. I just graduated a week ago and even though I'll have a long and difficult path ahead me I'll be proud of it no matter what.

[@Bluedog92403]

Ahéhee (thank you in Navajo) for your support I really appreciate it. May the holy people (Navajo gods) watch over your souls.

[@spartanx9293]

I hate to say this but most of the younger generation probably isn't going to adopt those customs like it or not the most dominant culture in the areas they live is still going to be mainstream American culture and there are few people who will learn such a complicated language when it doesn't serve much in terms of practicality this is true of the Irish

[@spartanx9293]

@@Bluedog92403 most Navajo don't worship those gods to my knowledge

[@Bluedog92403]

@@spartanx9293 I'm fully aware of that and it's true that learning about Native American culture is mostly non existent depending on access and opportunity but what I'm trying to say is that our cultures are dying out and if immediate action isn't taken then it'll go extinct and the Native American identity will be gone forever and there's only a specific few who actually and truly want to learn more about their heritage so they can try to revive it. And it's true that most Navajo don't practice the tribal religion anymore thanks to the Indian boarding schools converting them to Christianity and as a result today only a fifth of the Navajo population practice the tribal religion.

[@spartanx9293]

@@Bluedog92403 then there's nothing much that can be done if someone does not want to practice the culture you can't exactly force them at least not today

[@GILGATRAX-DestroyerOfWorlds]

I’m glad this touched on residential schools in Canada, although the way it’s framed in the video is misleading. Residential schools already existed in Canada by 1867 and the last school didn’t close until 1997. Though as the video noted, we are still grappling with the horrendous and shameful legacy of residential schools.

[@WhyGodby]

Honestly it needs it's own video The Canadian residential schools institutions were a whole different level of barbarity

[@WhyGodby]

Oh and truth and reconciliation is a farse and more needs to be done

[@matrinoxtm]

Maple washing. When Canadians think they don’t have a racism problem because we’re too polite and say sorry all the time

[@Direblade11]

Not a video, a series. Through the generations. I remain in my opinion that this subject is over-taught in Canadian schools nowadays, but more people need to understand. As well, their series should have links at the end of their videos to The Story of Hiawatha, which is a cultural tale about 5 aboriginal tribes. We all need more stories about aboriginal culture for the purpose of restoring it. Every other ethnicity in North America could theoretically travel home to their ancestral homeland and reintegrate into that culture. The Canadian government literally respects the French language more than the languages endemic to this land for at least over 1000 years.

[@Montork]

it didnt close.. but parents had the right to refuse to send their children in 1980...

[@Amantducafe]

The amount of human suffering that native americans experienced and still experience is unprecedented (Not only in the north but also central and south american natives), It even inspired Stephen Hawking to warn about NOT contacting Advance alien civilization because of what they can do to us just like Europeans did to the natives.

[@necromanticer169]

I don't believe you've read much of history if you think any kind of modern human suffering is "unprecedented"...

[@Amantducafe]

@@necromanticer169 Well if you want to turn human suffering into a dick waving contest then suit yourself.

[@exeggcutertimur6091]

I'm pretty sure large scale cultural re education like this was a first though. I don't think the romans did it this way. The gauls would have run them out of town quick. Also the fact 90% of native americans died to disease was also unprecedended. Also your paragraph was rude and dismissive while providing exactly zero examples to back up your claim.

[@yumasdikalianputra7415]

It is an ironic that, the americans was actually the outsider, and the indian was the natives, and now this program wanted to destroy the native, and to replace them with outsiders.

[@jacksonbowns1087]

@@exeggcutertimur6091 Are you familiar with the concept of Sinicization? It's an ancient Chinese practice of turning everyone who isn't Han Chinese into Han Chinese, and it has been very effective historically. For example, the indigenous people of Taiwan were dark skinned islanders who migrated across the Pacific and Southeast Asian islands, all the way to Madagascar, and are the genetic ancestors of the people of Madagascar. You will barely find any of them in Taiwan today, though many of their cultural practices managed to survive to the modern day.

[@mrmeglomania]

In a Disabled History of The United States they discuss how this was especially harmful to deaf native children. Sign Language was seen as "primitive", and they were forbidden from using it in particular because it was a language that crossed tribal boundaries & promoted solidarity.

[@RealityInk]

Canada has gone through a painful evolution in the past couple of years. Children's bones have been dug up and returned to their home tribal lands. Its still being done and will have to continue to be done for some time. For anyone who still thinks these places were just boarding schools there to try and bring the indigenous people into the modern day think about this; real schools don't have cemeteries. Legitimate cemeteries don't have unmarked unrecorded graves.

[@friedkeenan]

We're finding the same in the US. Horrifying and devastating.

[@RealityInk]

@@friedkeenan I think you would find something similar in a lot of places where Europeans moved in on a native populous. The trick as I see it is not to look away. Its to bring the babies home and to do the work to reconcile with the past. That will create a country that both sides will want to be a part of.

[@venuasaur560]

@@RealityInk ya up in Northern eourope they natives were still being sterilized up tell the 60s

[@Tatianna1143]

I am Canadian and i live in the same province where the first mass grave was discovered. Seeing everything unfold right in front of me has been an eye opener

[@Okuni_]

Canadians talking about racism in America: 🤣🤣🤣 Canadians seeing a Native American: 👁️👄👁️

[@igiem368]

An episode I hope Extra History will make is about Canada’s Sled Dog Genocide. From the 1950s to the 1970s, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and other government officials killed thousands of sled dogs, rendering the breed extinct. For hundreds of years, these dogs were used by the Inuit and their ancestors to pull sleds as a means of transportation. Despite being one of the brutal periods in Canadian history, it has been swept under the rug so completely as to be functionally nonexistent. Please, as a Canadian citizen this issue has disgusted me for years!

[@موسى_7]

I'm here to explain to confused people that the bigger problem isn't killing the dogs per se, but that the Inuit lifestyle was destroyed.

[@jennifervan75]

Omg, I've never heard of this

[@jennifervan75]

@@موسى_7 yeah, obviously

[@Direblade11]

Worst part is, I went all through school exclusively learning about how Colonizers fucked over Aboriginals ever single year. We were even taught about the same events twice, as per curriculum. Never did we cover this atrocity.

[@darlhiatt8136]

@@موسى_7 I assume that's because crippling the inuit was probably the intended goal, and the dogs were just a means. I don't know why they would hate dogs enough to drive a breed to extinction.

[@ChrMuslimThor]

Something very similar was done in Scandinavia, Sami, Roma and other minorities were forced to send their children to "civilizing" schools. Many lost their culture and language, and there were similar abuses as described in the video, there were however very few deaths. A small conciliation.

[@GallowglassVT]

Same thing happened in Aus and Aotearoa (New Zealand) to Aboriginal people and Maori people. It's part of the coloniser handbook: take their future away from them by beating the culture, language, values and religion from the kids. It didn't work, but it left enough scars for trauma to be carried down the generations.

[@teslashark]

Sami were seen as "forest Norse" instead of their own people, like Kurds were seen as "mountain Turks" and Crimeans "swamp Russians"

[@spartanx9293]

There's a key difference the Romani are still despised

[@yitzhakkornbluth2554]

It's been done (or already-existing schools forced to be "civilizing") to the Jews often enough that even today it drives opposition to government involvement with schooling...

[@spartanx9293]

@@yitzhakkornbluth2554 no there are other things that drive opposition take for example ridiculously crappy curriculums and low standards I once ran into a teacher who believed that Austria was still a monarchy in the 1930s

[@AncientAmericas]

This is one of the most tragic and inhumane episodes of US and Canadian history that does not get enough attention. Thank you.

[@alexs-fo6jz]

I'm a bit surprised you didn't mention all of the unmarked Graves at these sites that are being found in Canada. It has been big news the past few years and feels like many people are finally understanding just how bad these places were.

[@crinkly.love-stick]

My parents are in their 50s. They never knew about residential schools, until the Kamloops(?) Mass grave made the news. Schools never taught about it, until around '99-2000. In stark contrast, my sister and I were pretty matter-of-factly taught about the Rez school atrocities from around grade 3 on. I've been told that they finally stopped making kids watch "the Indian in the cupboard" around 5ish years ago.

[@mansamusa1743]

probably because they weren't unmarked. They just never bothered to file paperwork and used wooden markers which decayed due to poor maintenance. Besides the point is how abusive and immoral the schools were, not the fact some gravesites didn't have a marker.

[@theotherohlourdespadua1131]

Or maybe, just maybe they were talking this in the American context. Canada was sparingly mentioned...

[@jacobschofield7133]

A shocking number of people have no idea that residential schools even existed let alone the atrocities that occurred there and I have found that many people also miss how recent these atrocities are. Simply assuming that these things are ancient history, despite the large number of residential school survivors around today. At 8:18 you mentioned that the residential school system remained in place in Canada until the 80s. Which may be when schools began to close (it's been a while since I've studied the topic so I'm not sure) but Gordon's Indian Residential School, the last federally run residential school, did not close until 1996 and the last private residential school, Grollier Hall closed in 1997. 35-36 years isn't that long ago historically speaking and the impact of these schools can still be felt both in generational trauma and lived experience. All in all I really appreciate you covering the topic since education is one of the best tools we have to help those impacted.

[@bthsr7113]

I didn't realize just how recently this ended before this video, and I'm a history nerd.

[@leirumf5476]

I had no idea about it until 11 minutes ago, and now I'm crying

[@derrickoil-md3xr]

I don’t really think it’s ended at all while it’s true that boarding schools with the explicit goal of assimilation or religious conversion are less common( although they certainly do still exist especially among devout religious communities) in recent decades a for profit model has become horribly common I could go on for hours about my personal experience with them but fueled by parents fear about troublesome youth and especially the perceived threat of drug use no matter how minor allows the types of abusive institutions described in this video to not survive but thrive in the modern day as an industry valued in the billions and well practiced in surviving the bad press that eventually led to the shut down of their earlier facilities if you wish to learn more I’d recommend visiting the website unsilenced or just typing troubled teen industry into any large social media site

[@Daemonworks]

The video, understandably, downplays precisely how brutal these schools often were. In Canada, they could often see mortality rates from 30 to 60 percent, and that may still be a lowball estimate. And while later on the death rates dropped, all the other horrible things continued. They were far closer to concentration camps than schools.

[@MD.Akib_Al_Azad]

So i althistory i read about concentration camps to kill people of colour in america wasn’t so farfetched

[@Greggah]

Where do you get that from?

[@Daemonworks]

@@Greggah it's public record. There's reports from inspections, the mass graves being found at site after site, interviews with survivors. Even the heavily sanitized official records paint a grim picture. It's incredibly dark rabbit hole of terrible stuff.

[@Windona]

Food aid was insidious too- I remember as a kid my mom telling me about how the extreme amount of corn compared to other items in the diet resulted in greatly increased rates of diabetes. Never over how these boarding schools were seen as the 'humanitarian' option or how late it was before they were closed down.

[@yumasdikalianputra7415]

They even go as far as threatening to stop food aid, that it so 'humanitarian'.

[@spartanx9293]

It wasn't insidious it was cheap corn has always been relatively cheap as a grain so would make sense to give it away as food aid but yes this is going to cause diet problems

[@Greggah]

Honestly would be good to keep it in context with the time. In scandinavia there were similar programs in a time that the regular citicens also were starving in the poorer stratas of society- ANY free food was a luxury until about the 1960s.

[@Windona]

@@Greggah True, but the point is that they were often moved off land they cultivated and harvest food from only for the replacement food to be so nutritionally imbalanced it caused a lot of disease. There was also the purposeful culling of the buffalo, and other such tactics going on.

[@Gildedmuse]

@@spartanx9293 If this food was given simply out of concern for the communities, you may have a point, but seeing as the government supplied this food aid only after it had already forced tribes off the lands where they historically resided and had cultivated in order to feed their communities (mostly independently, with trade of course making up a variable part of their food supply), restricting them to *usually* unfamiliar but *always* resource limited locals (land reserved for relocating tribes typically had little potential value for the expanding United States; they weren't exactly handing out lush fields ripe for sewing) without concern for their traditional way of life - nevermind if a tribe may have been primarily fishermen, they should be able to make a living on this well water supplied area of virtual desert - that severely limited many communities ability to provide basic necessities for their own people. And that was just the more purposeful and direct ways that the US impacted potential food sources for these tribes. Westward expansion, urbanization, and founding large communities in essentially desserts all resulted in a loss of habitat for native wildlife, which still suffers today from these same forces even in places like Yellowstone where eventually they would end up importing wolves and beavers to try and bring the natural ecosystem back into balance. Unchecked hunting meant many species were no longer a viable source of food they once had been as they were driven close to extinction. The US also allocated, reserved and rerouted many of the major water sources out West without consideration for the native tribes they had placed there. Oh, and, of course, the attempts to "civilized" often meant banning traditional native practices, including those related to farming, hunting, and food preparation. Basically, the United States took communities that were used to providing for themselves and made it near impossible for them to do so, which in turn meant that the food aid given to these tribes was an important lifeline the government could leverage as it pleased. Corn may be cheap, but the US created the situation and now - having removed most communities ability to be mostly self sustained -had the responsibility of providing the basic necessities that it had taken from these communities. Perhaps it's better not to think of it as food AID but food REPLACEMENT/REPAYMENT. This is not a case of someone down on their luck coming into a soup kitchen in need of a warm meal. Here, the person in question was living comfortably in their house when suddenly law enforcement broke in and locked the person in the small spare bedroom with no access to their groceries or a water source. At which point they turned around and PROMISED that while the individual was no longer going to be allowed into their own kitchen and bathroom, the new occupants would make sure to supply all the water and meals the prisoner needs. That is effectively what US food aid was in this case.

[@Tyler-sy7jo]

I remember hearing in the news a year ago-ish that, at least here in Canada, the people in charge of the residential schools at a federal level (back then) acknowledged that students lived in awful conditions, mortality was high and that tuberculosis was running rampant. Their response was that it was a "necessary evil" to ensure a future for the children. To them, allowing the children to live in their own culture was seen as a worse fate than the lives they had in residential schools.

[@sabotabby3372]

The US, France, and Commonwealth protested the definition of Genocide originally proposed for the Nuremburg trials because they themselves were guilty of it

[@stansman5461]

@@sabotabby3372 I remember in the genocide in Rwanda, the US said that they heard reports that there were "acts of genocide" in Rwanda, but refused to call it as genocide. Someone even asked, "how many acts of genocide does it take to call it genocide?"

[@safe-keeper1042]

"Today, of course, we can see that..." Sorry, but I really dislike it when people say that. There were of course plenty back then too who saw this for the horror it was, just like there were plenty abolitionists as far back as America's founding. "It was a different time" lets terrible people off the hook and diminishes efforts of contemporary good people.

[@cremacat518]

thank you!

[@Alusnovalotus]

Content like this is always hard to watch but I’m very grateful someone had the 🏀 ⚽️ s to do it. Thank you for your honest take on history.

[@scarletletter4900]

This topic should be a series and not a one shot. The victims and thier families deserve that much.

[@techcomments7348]

What exactly will they gain from remembring a painful pass? Or What exactly will a youtube video do to help them in anyway? Just goes to show pple are making money from what they endured(yes the youtube video is monetized)

[@Skar12121]

@@techcomments7348 and it should be. spreading awareness to prevent something similar, to what I just watched, happen somewhere else is a solid reason for them to earn payment from this. As long as schools still practice similar draconian methods like this, I will support anything that brings up this kind of painful past.

[@techcomments7348]

@@Skar12121 i get what you're saying but shitty youtube channels should never use pple suffering for thier own gain. With all the money this channel generates they couldn't bare to not monetize this video.

[@monkeymike900000]

@@techcomments7348 Extra Credits didn't choose to do this topic, they were specifically asked/told to cover it by the sponsor. You can hear him say it right after 1:00 .

[@techcomments7348]

@@monkeymike900000 so we throw away morals for some cash? Your justification just made it worse...they weren't going to talk about such a thing(which they shouldn't) till it was profitable to them?

[@zinganeatsr4011]

Dude imagine being taken away from your family and culture just to be named Humphrey

[@itscrajesh]

Imagine being taken away from your family and culture just to be named Arminius, and then ambushing your captors with some friends at forest called Teutoberg.

[@itscrajesh]

And then your captors’ empire finally disappearing.

[@jonasthusgaard8658]

Denmark did about the same in 1950. Young children from Greenland was sent to Denmark and lived in boarding schools. They were forbidden to speak their native language and educated in danish culture and Christianity. They were supposed to be a new upper class of Greenland and “better” Greenland. Only this year an official apology was made to the affected. But sadly most are dead.

[@Vanic00]

My maternal great grandmother, who was full Cherokee, was forced to go to one of these schools. The institution was so bad, that I only recently learned of my lost heritage. Even though I'm primarily of Scottish decent, I'm still proud to know that even distantly, I'm part of that great culture.

[@Munchkin.Of.Pern09]

I didn’t fully internalize that my grandfather is indigenous until the ninth grade, because that was the first time indigenous people were actually brought up in school. He and I aren’t related by blood, but it was still incredibly jarring when I finally realized that all of those horrible things I had learned in my history class could have happened to him and I’d had no idea. When I worked up the courage to ask, he told me he was one of the children taken in the sixties scoop.

[@darknessunknown4384]

My maternal great great grandmother was also Cherokee, and my grandfather spent at least part of his childhood in a reservation. Outside of that, I know very little of my Native American heritage.

[@yumasdikalianputra7415]

Please keep those tradition and heritage alive. Those were the gift God send, and what make an american, an american. Although i life far away from america, at Indonesia. I love american indian heritage and their art, is so unique and interesting. Just like the multi tradition of my people of Indonesia. Be safe and keep strong.

[@spartanx9293]

This is not at all surprising a large amount of Americans have some degree of amerindian

[@saber2802]

The Scottish, Irish, and Welsh also went through some similar stuff with the English, look up the Highland Clearances, lad, it's sad.

[@parotman101]

Correction for 8:25. The last school to close in Canada operated until [edit: 1997]. The last school open was The Gordon Residential School in Punnichy, Saskatchewan. As of April 2022, there are 14 suspected unmarked graves at this site which are in addition to the marked graves. We are still learning of the extent of these atrocities.

[@GiordanDiodato]

the worst part is that some still deny that the graves exist

[@thekinginyellow7777]

Good catch

[@saw7191]

Didn’t one in Nunavut close in 97?

[@someguy7723]

@@GiordanDiodato beacuse the media for whatever reason tryed to paint them as "mass graves" when they were in no way that

[@parotman101]

@@saw7191 I stand corrected. As of a 2019 ruling Kivalliq Hall is now classified as a residential school until 1997. There appear to be a couple of different sources claiming different closure dates ranging from 95-97.

[@TwoBears3]

Oh this one is going to make some people angry, but I applaud EC for not shying away from history.

[@spartanx9293]

How

[@TwoBears3]

@@spartanx9293 Certain people get pretty angry when it is pointed out that history is not altogether proud.

[@ramenbomberdeluxe4958]

@@spartanx9293 yeah, people nowadays get angry when you point out that, no, racism and other forms of oppression aren’t actually myths and that they did, in fact, really happen and still have lingering effects to this day.

[@spartanx9293]

@@TwoBears3 events like these are to be taken as lessons that we might prevent future wrongs

[@Gencrossbones]

Especially some Americans with those supremacist attitude

[@nervachadikus]

This is just so infuriating. The fact that this happened and was actually seen as humane just makes me boil (I really don't know how to describe it). It's so unimaginable to me (coming from a country where people really don't give a damn for your race because we're all equally fucked)

[@spartanx9293]

It is considered humane when you consider the context a lot of people wanted to straight up exterminate them

[@Kaiserboo1871]

It’s actually not that unimaginable. Once you consider: 1. How slow information traveled 2. How Americans paid little, if any, attention to Natives Americans (most Americans would live and die never having met a single Native American) 3. General apathy from the American People regarding the plight of minorities (not hatred, just a majority consensus of “It doesn’t effect me, so why should I care” mixed with “I’m glad it’s not me”) 4. How the idea sounded good on paper (one paper they sounded like a place that taught natives how to integrate into American society, and this sounded similar to the schools set up in cities that taught immigrants from Europe how to be American and those turned out great) The average American worker, upon hearing about these places from the bias newspaper, would have, at best, thought to himself “Good for them.” And then would have gone back to work and daily routine.

[@jsmoothd654]

This moment in history ( Along with the Nanking Massacre) was one of the few things in history class that made me want to stand up and leave class because I was angry and upset about it.

[@scarletkingdom2359]

Wait till you hear about the Congo free state

[@jsmoothd654]

@@scarletkingdom2359 I've heard about it, but not in the classes I've taken in school. I took a Native American history course and a Modern Asian history course. That's the classes I was talking about.

[@scarletkingdom2359]

@@jsmoothd654 ok, but that event will forever haunt me, despite it taking place 100 hundred years ago (and the photos 😰)

[@misterwheatley1386]

Stunning and brave

[@jsmoothd654]

@@misterwheatley1386 *Neckbeard has entered the chat*

[@MauriceBear]

Canada’s last Residential School closed as recent as 1996 in Saskatchewan and it wasn’t just America, England also benefited from Indian Boarding Schools with Queen Victoria herself.

[@cjthebeesknees]

Who has an *cough cough* active warrant out for this

[@bobs_toys]

A reminder that this and worse is going on in Xinjiang, Tibet and Outer Mongolia at the moment. It's not a historical source of current trauma for people in these places, it's something that's going on right at this moment.

[@joythought]

Yes and the whole point of "Russification" is the same thing inside Russia and on its borders. Tens of thousands of Ukrainian children were and are being kidnapped now. Similar things are occurring. If you read the Russian press you could have read that Putin promised that these kids will be raised to return to Ukraine to fight and kill Ukrainians. So in some countries new horrors are being perpetrated right now.

[@joythought]

Same in Russia to Ukrainian children.

[@UrpleSquirrel]

Some of the worst atrocities in history were committed by people who genuinely believed they were doing it "for the best." That's something I think we all need to learn about and to remember.

[@bthsr7113]

There's a reason why, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions," is such a popular phrase.

[@epicshadowdemon1211]

Also when you believe you're doing the right thing in a position of power you're more likely to keep going instead of stopping until either it's too late or you're killed for it. "History may not exactly Repeat itself but it sure as hell does Rhyme".

[@blenderbanana]

Child Rapists commit the same contortions.

[@stansman5461]

This is why power corrupts. Even if your intentions are pure, when you're given such power, to the point you start forcing others, you're going to harm them.

[@Teramin1]

One detail on the Canadian front. Our system was even longer lasting than the video said, as the last residential school was only closed here in 1998.

[@alexcarew8650]

I am so proud of the EC crew that they are willing to speak about this form of cultural genocide.

[@ramenbomberdeluxe4958]

Like…the fact that some of us dare call these humble native peoples “savages” is just disgusting. I mean, I don’t believe in any culture being “barbarian/savage”, it implies there to be no culture, no decent values, no progress for themselves or others around them, just pain and brutality. Native tribes were never such a thing as barbarian, and if these colonizers were so civilized, they sure sucked at proving it.

[@zinzamoure]

my grandfather, born in 1940, attended an indian boarding school here in NYS. it's terrible the generational culture gaps it creates; neither me, my uncle, my aunt, or my mother speak our language because of my grandfather never teaching them. anything my mom knows was taught to her through friends on the reservation, even if she didn't live on it.

[@Goatcha_M]

Sadly it was a similar story in Australia. The Stolen Generations. But at least we did away with it by 1969, I can't believe it was still happening in the 1980s, so much for enlightened Canada.

[@neeneko]

One lesser problem we see today : I actually watch christian identity people citing these schools as 'this is what is being done to us with public school and child protective services!'. These are the same people that claim they are the _real_ slaves because of income tax.

[@vodyanoy2]

Dang. These are basically re-education camps. It's pretty horrific what this country did in the past, and how little people talk about it today.

[@gregrobinette8620]

Yep! Nihonjin internment is scrutinized and exagerated to be the American concentration camps, but this school system is truly the American holocaust.

[@JDoe-gf5oz]

It gets talked about all the time. You can't watch a news report or online video without tripping over someone crying about schools.

[@TheIceIvy]

Canada talks about it a lot. Well from my experience

[@MKPiatkowski]

​@@TheIceIvyThanks to the Truth and Reconciliation commission.

[@jennifervan75]

As a (half) indigenous person, I want to thank you for talking about this topic in an educational and fun way.

[@WhyGodby]

As "fun" as this archaic and evil institution can be

[@maxleroux]

Extra History has already done a ton of videos on African American hate crime history. Looks like they're crossing over into Native American history now.

[@jennifervan75]

@@maxleroux good

[@jennifervan75]

@@WhyGodby You know what I mean. I think I should maybe edit it and change it to entertaining?

[@hussienbintalal91]

I'm curious is there still a native culture among Indians in America? Or did people like the man in the video succeed in their goals?

[@beanieboi5477]

If you could please do an episode on Australia's stolen generation they have a similar story which should be heard

[@schicktmirkarakale1232]

Eerily similar things were done to Sámi people in Scandinavia. People were taken from their families, forced into similarly abusive residential schools, made to abandon their languages and culture and convert to Christianity. Not as many died thankfully, but the damage to Sámi culture is potentially irreversible. Although many Sámi are trying to reconnect now, to speak their own language and partake in their own culture, a lot of stuff is just lost forever because it was never written down before colonisation. It's horrific how common practices like this are as a part of colonisation, and yet some people still claim to this day that cultural genocide is "not that bad", or deny it's even a thing at all, despite the very visible damage it does to people and the generational trauma it causes to survivors and their descendants.

[@garyindiana2127]

Sámi people came to Standing Rock, Indigenous people all over are connecting as we face many of the same struggles

[@schicktmirkarakale1232]

@@garyindiana2127 Sámi even got screwed over by the American government too. They were invited to teach native people reindeer herding in alaska (I think?), and then the government suddenly made reindeer herding illegal, leaving a lot of sámi people suddenly stranded in a foreign country with no income or livelihood. I'd suppose native solidarity was probably extremely helpful to them then, in terms of helping them survive after that or returning home.

[@TheStackeddeck77]

A book recomendation that i give for this subject is: 'An American Betrayal: Cherokee Patriots and the Trail of Tears'. Admittedly parts can be a bit slow but it is very worth the read.

[@harryhaley1967]

My Great Grandfather was sent to Carlisle in 1916 and left 1918. He never returned home.

[@CodaMission]

The apology for the atrocity always comes long after everyone involved is dead. Then we move on to another atrocity

[@23Revan84]

I see these apologies as pointless as it is long over. Tbh I don’t care about what people do to try to correct the past, what matters is now.

[@DeadMech1]

@@23Revan84 The event itself might be over but the lasting repercussions echo forward in time. And given that some of these abuses lasted until the late 90's it's not really so far in the past as we'd like to imagine. These events destroyed the victims family structures leaving them isolated and broken. Of fucking course it's had negative impacts on their descendants.

[@GiordanDiodato]

@@23Revan84 your username says a lot about you.

[@23Revan84]

and?

[@23Revan84]

@@DeadMech1 and where it has got them hmmm? Broken and poor, where they can’t even help themselves. Let this go away so we can start anew, like my grandmother said, just leave it alone it is in the past.

[@West_Coast_Mainline]

Second least racist man in the 1800s

[@amdreallyfast]

"Are we the baddies?" comes to mind At times, yes. And I'm sorry for that.

[@23Revan84]

Everyone has done something bad, even the tribes.

[@FistoftheSnackBar]

@@23Revan84 that doesn't change anything. The crimes of others do not excuse our own.

[@monkeymode7529]

@@FistoftheSnackBar who’s own? Unless you ran one of these schools or supported them you’re not guilty of their sins

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

If it isn’t race, it’s culture.

[@silentdrew7636]

Not much of a difference.

[@nathanielbixby5733]

@@silentdrew7636 huge difference but ok

[@itscrajesh]

America will never succeed where Rome failed.

[@23centrifuge]

This is such an important topic for frank and honest discussion. Thank you for having the bravery to raise this issue for awareness.

[@Rhaenyssupporter]

As a Native American thank you for making this and for spreading awareness

[@12zxgglol]

Never ask: A woman: her age A men: his salary The US: what happened to the natives

[@garyindiana2127]

*happening

[@hizzousekakashi8836]

I feel like I have no connection to my race because of this exact point in history, My great grandpa was wanted my the American Government for war crimes after the American Indian war, he decided rather than send his kids to boarding schools and turn himself in he took his 8 kids and wife and moved NW, stopped using our last name and changed it to a Spanish one claiming themselves Mexican in the new state. Thank you for covering this topic, it's often overlooked by many.

[@levim9707]

My hometown in South Dakota had the Canton Indian Insane Asylum. It only recently, last 15 years, has been seriously discussed outside of my town. The site of much of the complex is now a hospital.....and golf course. In fact, the graveyard of asylum (which has no exact figure), is located in the middle of the course.

[@iamseamonkey6688]

This is terrifyingly similar to the stolen generations that happened in australia around the same time. truly horrible things.

[@brianneporchak3023]

I remember learning about residential schools and reservations in Grade 7 and 8. My teacher (same one both years) didn't mince words, and I'm pretty sure went against provincial guidelines with the angle he took. He told us that we need to learn just how awful the world was to each other, so we could be the ones to recognize our own biases before we did the same. I feel like this wasn't "approved" for the curriculum, as it was barely mentioned in any other grade, and this also happened near the 5 year anniversary of the murder of Dudley George. An event that occurred maybe a half hour from where I went to school.

[@koohikoo]

i think this has gotten better, in my education they spent an entire semester in one class teaching about this. this was in bc just a few years ago

[@Direblade11]

I grew up in Saskatchewan, attending school from 2005-2018. In a reverse to "right past wrongs," I was taught almost exclusively about many (not all) of the different ways Colomizers abused and destroyed Native culture every single year. By grade 12, every boy loudly opposed being taught things we had learned back in elementary school. While the focus on this was somewhat detrimental in regards to understanding the world, it at least taught about this horrible history that should never be repeated. My biggest issue with it, however, is aboriginal kids in public school never learn about their culture through their curriculum. They only learn that it was destroyed. How is awareness going to better the lives of First Nations people when there are no efforts to restore their culture and traditions? Canada sought to destroy "Indian" culture. Canada should work to reinstate aboriginal culture into our society, not just on a reserve away from the cities. Money and "sorry" means nothing.

[@vggeist644]

I barely heard of it til a college class after highschool! Maybe a small paragraph in years earlier, I’m glad it’s being taught now

[@l.psimer6124]

I swear some of the crap we put the native Americans through were parallel to the Holocaust, 6:55 replacing names with numbers is a decent example.

[@georgelane6350]

it's crazy to think that this form of genocide continued as far as 1978. That means that people who experienced these abductions could be as young as 50

[@RitcheyRich]

I grew up about 20 miles from Carlisle and I never knew the history until today. We need to teach these kinds of things in our schools! This history cannot and will not be erased

[@GiordanDiodato]

I grew up about 50 miles away. I never knew it either. the US Army War College is there now and they don't even acknowledge that the school existed afaik. I tried looking up a memorial and instead I found a plaque to Richard Henry Pratt. However, they are gonna disinter some of the Native American remains there, so that's good at least.

[@RitcheyRich]

@@GiordanDiodato oh my god that's where it was? I used to go to the war college with my dad when I was a kid. Disgusting

[@cdunnemt]

@@GiordanDiodato the graves are still visible from the road next to the war college

[@discountplaguedoctor88]

"He didn't believe in racial superiority, but in *cultural* superiority!" What's the difference besides the number of letters in the label?

[@FistoftheSnackBar]

Nothing really.

[@cookieofkhaine4904]

A lot, it means you can belong and thrive if you embrace the culture which is impossible with a racial superiority mindset

[@theotherohlourdespadua1131]

For one, they aren't killed off for being the "others"...

[@Thanatos562]

Not only that all cultures have issues and a cultural relativistic view can prevent them from being addressed

[@silentdrew7636]

@@theotherohlourdespadua1131 that depends

[@jacobalvarez2443]

Thank you for covering this. This horrific thing happened to my tribe and my family. So many non natives don't really know anything about this so it's good that your large platform will hopefully raise awareness of this issue among non natives.

[@West_Kagle]

"...he believed in 'cultural superiority'." ....yeah, because some cultures are better than others.

[@crazyasalways9272]

Something I wish the had been mentioned is the fact that many reservational schools now are relabled as regular schools, but many of the same practices have continued according to former students of those. And I'm talking about as recently as 2017. As well as the fact that the last residential school closed in 1996 a year prior to my birth. Now, this is mostly happening to do with US though. Which sadly we don't know if this policy really affected. Our family are not because of the fact that my great-grandmother did not really speak very much about her heritage. And that was mostly because of my great-great grandmother. And that was the due to my great-great-grandfather. From what I can understand he was an absolute piece of s*** You name it, he probably did that and I really do mean that. He was an absolutely horrible person. All that really has passed along through the years is a fact that my great-great grandmother was Cherokee. And that's as much as we know and Sally. I don't even know where the start when trying to track her down. Or any information about her

[@frankpratt529]

Very good and long overdue. I'm so glad that Canada (I'm Canadian and my last name is Pratt, but no relation) was included as a perpetrator of these atrocities. Coincidentally, I'm reading a non-fiction book by Tanya Talaga called All My Relations that deals with this issue and is difficult to read, but also very important to learn.

[@trishaellen7449]

The last canadian school didnt close until 1997.

[@BooBooBlueBerry]

I'm also a Ho-Chunk Decorah and I can not tell you how much it means to hear my tribe and family mentioned in this video. Thank you

[@CMB505]

Another part of the US' dark history. I understand the guy's good intentions, but his cultural views were horrific and just caused more damage. Truly tragic, but in order for us to be better, we can't look away and accept this horror that happened and strive for better.

[@Swordphobic]

There are no good intentions, there´s only bigotry.

[@jameskarg3240]

"Cant look away and accept" THATS the probldm: YOU CANT CHANGE THE PAST

[@spartanx9293]

@@Swordphobic that would be incorrect if he was purely a bigot he wouldn't have cared at all what happened to him

[@senorsombrero1275]

The more I learn about things like this, the more I realize people like Joaquin Murieta or Quana Park had a good reason for the things they did.

[@def3ndr887]

Geronimo

[@mythosandlogos]

“Listening to our Grandmothers’ Stories: The Bloomfield Academy for Chickasaw Females” by Amanda J Cobb is a great book about a school and it’s changes over a century.

[@paintbynumberartist]

So... About the under nourishment of the students... That's actually where we get those minimum recommended daily nutritional information on the back of your food packaging. In Canada they ran a study using native children to see how little you could feed them until they died.

[@CSGraves]

Yep. Pretty heinous experiments. It's like something you would have expected from Unit 731 in Japanese-occupied Harbin.

[@cesarpallincourt9987]

When i thought american history couldn’t get more fucked up

[@ryanoreilly9283]

Just a quick note for anyone interested. The last residential school in Canada was closed in...1996

[@JDoe-gf5oz]

Long time ago.

[@gregrobinette8620]

​@@JDoe-gf5oz the USA's founding is considered 'recent' in historical lense.

[@JDoe-gf5oz]

@@gregrobinette8620 Not by human standards. It was a very long time ago.

[@GallowglassVT]

Thank you for doing a video on this. The cultural genocide of indigenous people the world over rarely gets addressed and needs more attention.

[@skavenwarlock]

Thank you for talking about this it is important to teach people about this.

[@miketacos9034]

3:15 Important lesson for today for anyone who says they don't hate a certain group of people, but just think Western culture is better / needs to be kept pure.

[@safe-keeper1042]

Indeed, it's exactly the same mentality.

[@safe-keeper1042]

inb4 whining about 'wokeness'

[@jonasinsinga4309]

Australia has a history of this as well with indigenous families having their children abducted and sent to Christian boarding schools. The movie "Rabbit-Proof Fence" is about this.

[@PsychoSavager289]

Last year, several mass graves were discovered at former residential schools in Canada, and has forced Canadians to confront the oft-perpetuated notion that Canada has a 'clean' history when it comes to the treatment of minorities and indigenous peoples. I really hope the former residential schools are converted into museums, as with the former concentration camps in Germany, to make sure this cultural genocide is neither forgotten nor repeated.

[@thisrandomdude2880]

As a non-American and an Arab, I must confess that my already extremely low opinion of the United States and my great distaste for the Western world has only dropped lower after watching this. I knew of the boarding schools and how unjust they were, but I never anticipated just how horrendous they could be. Then again, when considering the atrocities, the death and the destruction spread by the US war machine, I shouldn't have been all that surprised.

[@cindywolz440]

Wow look. Finally! Canadian history

[@archmeasterjackimer6217]

Cultural racism. Racial racism. It's all still RACISM

[@cthulhucy]

Why is this not on nebula

[@johngoode3509]

I got an ad for fortnite it the middle of this. That sucked hard

[@ballenboy]

At least we now know that due to the past's child mortality and years of living at the schools, there are bound to be many children buried at them. Many who died of the causes that the average person back then also died of.

[@JDoe-gf5oz]

Yup. But they're still going to tell tales of mass genocide and thousands of bodies being buried in mass graves and nobody will ever call them out on it.

[@shin1300]

It just goes to shows that our biases and beliefs are a product on top of our predecessors. Their philosophy may be considered outdated today but we will not be able to see the scope and perception we see now if not for theirs. It shows that our past may not be perfect but we wont be able to create a better society over night it takes time and great amount of effort

[@f.w.3823]

A dark chapter of history too many would like to sweep under the carpet. Good on you to speak about it.

[@mikebauer6917]

Always beware of people doing things to “save” you.

[@Ursy]

Can you cover the magdaline laundries? I feel this goes on a similar vein of abuses by the church and (irish) government.

[@riopratamamartin7870]

One bad d3cisions can ruin everyone

[@bananapanda9805]

Must… resist… screaming… in… outrage… in..the….middle….of….night…

[@djmooncheeks1515]

The system continued in Canada until 1998, not the 80's. And the trauma is generational.

[@galenwrathweld]

I think that this is the first video that has genuinely made me nauseous. Not to say the other videos on racial policies, wars, individuals and the dark side of humanity weren't all disgusting and repulsive in uniquely horrible ways but that this kind of cultural punishment based reprogramming existed, that it was considered a GOOD thing / the good ending compared to being exterminated and that it continued until the late 1900's, very much living memory where individuals or the parents of individuals can honestly say they lived in a time where these sorts of 'schools' were around is stomach turning to the extreme. Thank you for covering this, because atrocities like this can never be allowed to fall by the wayside.

[@monferno1]

If you want to watch a movie that shows you the crushing reality that those in whitewashing schools experienced, watch “Rabbit-Proof Fence” while the movie takes place in Australia and features an Australian Aboriginal family they used basically the same model as in the US and Canada

[@The-Plaguefellow]

Pratt's views: "Fair for its times" encapsulated. And, considering the state of the U.S. today, I'm fairly sure this is how some states and peoples still want it to be. Looking at you, Rural America, and "The Great Replacement "Theory"" believers. EDIT: What I'm saying is that some people want these sort of schools and cultural imperialist practices to return.

[@safe-keeper1042]

No kidding. You don't even need to look further than legal asylum seekers being rounded up in concentration camps where they are abused, separated forever from their children, and in the worst cases forcibly sterilized. With most of the country barely batting an eye.

[@West_Coast_Mainline]

What’s wrong with the name Matthew

[@garyindiana2127]

Ty eh for doing this, more Indigenous content could be very impactful seeing as how we're living in a mass extinction and Indigenous peoples protect 80% of the planet's biodiversity

[@garyindiana2127]

also shout out to Child and Teen Checkups Mni Sota, whoever runs their pr is a legend

[@tessat338]

So what happened to the fathers who were sent to Alcatraz? Did they ever make it back home?

[@cliffordsherman7702]

There is sadly a large portion of Americans who will view this as CRT. It is our history it isn’t a happy or beautiful part of our history but it is our history.

[@kevinthegreatandthemighty1403]

Not let this happen again? Chinese Uyghurs would like to have a word with us.

[@masenformen]

What should make it more terrifying, but wasn't given much emphasis here, is how many children were actually sent willingly there, not with armies scorting them. There's several native authors like Luther Standing Bear (the kid who randomly pointed to his new english name) and Charles Eastman saying how their parents (and themselves) saw these schools as a way to proper education and "integration" to the prestigious culture. They were forced not just by guns, but mostly by the inequality and cultural disdain they had to face. It's scary because to this day public education is a powerful tool to assimilate and remove what is deemed "obsolete" by the goverment or mainstream ideology.

[@d.r.1402]

Aboriginal tribes faced the same thing in Australia

[@ek5273]

Will you do a video on the Canadian residential school system?

[@jennifervan75]

Yes!!!