Killer Fun-to-Go-Against Tier List 2024 - Dead by Daylight

[@Lucien_Lachance_GENS]

Yeah its fun to play against the Legion because the whole team knows that the person on the other side of the screen has to sweat hard to at least kill someone.

[@GG-kn2se]

So real as a former legion main

[@dumblenutz5561]

Slug Legion players are laughing

[@gsp1995]

Not when I play survivor. Legion stomps for the most part.

[@Lucien_Lachance_GENS]

@@gsp1995 Low mmr be like:

[@JRey1435]

@@gsp1995Websters dictionary classifies that as a "skill gap"

[@femtrapta5874]

"Oh cool" is the perfect reaction to Tombstone Myers. Like, damn, should have not gotten insta killed because he stared at Meg for 3 minutes

[@GorbombZombay]

Yeah but I still like the rush of does he have that add on/how long has it been since he hit someone etc but I mained Myers till chucky still play him a lot especially this month but I still find nurse/blight killers you basically can’t do anything against if their good NOT FUN myers is in that boat with tombstone but it’d be same Atleast it’s over quick lol 🎃🔪

[@Tatertwat05]

@@GorbombZombay that’s good for you I guess you really are different

[@theotherauthor740]

honestly, if he doesn’t get to tier 3 for the first time in a couple of minutes you can pretty safely assume it’s tombstone.

[@tmoney1487]

Ive literally had survivors just tbag and do gens in front of me while stalking because they think im just memeing and then they get pulled off the gen and killed instantly

[@CounterGoose53]

Chucky has hit me on hook more times then every other killer combined.

[@Ali-hasToRun]

LMAOOOO

[@Katana314]

It'd be hilarious if Chucky was prevented from hitting on hook for being too short to reach them.

[@Recychic]

He's roleplaying

[@Aj-B44]

Tbf that’s the most lore accurate chucky 😂

[@BinksTheWise]

Yeah 100% true

[@RingoRoad]

Looking at this list and realizing that most of the killers are obnoxious to go against makes me wonder why I even bother playing survivor

[@gbdrew]

Based 😂

[@TheNateCast]

Because "unfun" killers can still be fun like how "fun" killers can still be obnoxious. Shout out anti heal weskers.

[@goofygoose6]

Fr. I just realized last night I am iri 1 on killer and Ash 1 on survivor.

[@bratsss]

I realized this a while ago during a match. Almost every trial feels the same, and it shouldn't because every killer is unique and has different powers. I think the game would be more fun if Killers were only limited to using their own perks. I also think the game should be more balanced. Most players don't even realize that the skill ceiling for Survivor is so much higher than Killer. Killers got it easy!

[@bratsss]

@@TheNateCast No, typically when a Killer is unfun, he's just not fun.

[@hog9613]

Ha i just died to a ghost face because i was hiding in a bush trying to look at the floor and ghost face was barely on screen, got revealed and i died to him getting revealed. I died to the killers counterplay

[@soulbender1987]

Yeah like in situations where there is 1 surv left his power is helpful in just finding that 1 because they may start looking and ur undetectable in the process if u end up seeing them first

[@__hazelnut]

meanwhile when you want to use counterplay and look directly at him, you still don’t expose him lol

[@shadyc7044]

Pig throwing the entire match to fuck over 1 person is very lore accurate.

[@ct464]

if you press 0 repeatedly it kinda looks like scott is jorqing his wenor hehe funny

[@liloreo2871]

hes getting backshotted if u press 3 repeatedly

[@Jarrot]

MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY

[@ricardolechinski4025]

Straight up jorking it, and by it i mean my peanits

[@revenge3265]

I personally can't stand Huntress. I used to enjoy going up against Huntress but Huntress hatchet hitboxes are straight up questionable and ping just makes it worse, ruining what could ultimately be a fun experience of perfectly dodging hatchets for me. Beyond that, way too many Huntress linger around hook with a hatchet raised. Oni is just frustrating in Solo Q because people immediately give them their power within 30 seconds of the match before proceeding to huddle up for a 3-man slug. Not to mention, other than Twins and Nurse, Oni is probably the main Killer constantly attempting 4-man slugs. That said, it isn't really a character thing, but a teammate and player thing.

[@ScottJund]

yeah a lot of people disagree with me on huntress and i completely understand. ive always had a soft spot for her as she was my first killer

[@terribleivan1475]

She do be throwing them tree trunks

[@dumblenutz5561]

I don't like Huntress because beyond what you said a good one can also zone the fuck out of you from like 24 meters away. Oh and also i don't find taking a 50/50 every pallet rotation particularly engaging.

[@izsoraa]

plus half the time i play against one, they stand with a hatchet out to secure a second stage or kill

[@Disarray-ef4rt]

Huntress having as atrocious of hitboxes that she has, for as long as she has, is absolutely criminal. Also, unfathomably based take having Oni in S

[@zs1570]

Another thing that makes Dracula not fun at all is that his hellfire is almost impossible to predict what it can and can't go over. For example, I was being chased around a rock and his hellfire didn't go over one part of the rock, but it went over the SLIGHTLY SHORTER part of the rock for the down. At least with Nemesis you can know that anything about waist high is too high for it to get over.

[@SandwichGamer107]

I think a good way to spot on what he can shoot over is to look at this head. Everything below his head can be Hellfired over it. Everything above it not. And if its like in the middle of his head... 50/50? :D Someone correct me if I am mistaken please.

[@highhumdingerdefinition]

Nine minutes in, so I don’t really have a right to comment yet, but I’m fairly satisfied as to my perspective. I think how “fun” a killer is to verse is dependent on the play style you as the survivor enjoy engaging with. For me, it’s about power engagement: Hag and Myers appeal to me because of increased interaction, where I have to figure out the killer’s plan and react accordingly. Huntress, on the other hand, offers little engagement with her power, especially since her buffs; she’s always going to try and throw a hatchet at me, and I’ll never know whether I can juke/dodge it or not because the hits are inconsistent. All the same, your enjoyment of certain killer versus is completely valid based upon what you enjoy doing in the game.

[@שגיאאדרי-ו4צ]

Opposite of me

[@terribleivan1475]

Well-articulated

[@tolland4433]

Absolutely agree.

[@dropthexd3277]

I saw Hag in D tier and I was like that is one of the few killers I can actively counterplay. You can crouch through traps to get to gens and when she picks someone up you can trigger as many traps as you can to screw her. Meanwhile Bubba is S tier because 50-50s at windows?

[@Obsolete8cto]

"What are you going to see most times when you go against a trapper?" The ground.

[@JustinFetters]

Demo not being S tier criminal... Crouch tech is like a hot knife through butter

[@kalebbrake5882]

This

[@ScottJund]

i love my boi but i cant deny he is literally just "zoning: the killer"

[@kalebbrake5882]

@@ScottJund isn't huntress just "zoning: the killer" 80% of the time too?

[@soporific9212]

​@@kalebbrake5882 No...? Huntress speed penalty for winding and holding hatchets is too big and too long to be effective for zoning. Pyramid Head, Deathslinger, and Demo are all far better at zoning than Huntress.

[@kalebbrake5882]

@@soporific9212 ??? Deathslinger is same speed as huntress? And ph's projectile is way more telegraphed than a charged hatchet, the only one there who would be better is demo

[@kissthecorpseKTS]

Most survivor players will just say "m1 killers" and fuck every chase killer

[@שגיאאדרי-ו4צ]

Most killers powers are boring

[@thedutywarlord264]

​@@שגיאאדרי-ו4צnah they aren't. Worst take ever.

[@LaJin9292]

@@thedutywarlord264 Wesker and Unkown are great to play against. Huntress and Blight and Wraith and Nurse are dogshit that requires high level autism to even attempt counter play.

[@שגיאאדרי-ו4צ]

​@@thedutywarlord264most are

[@שגיאאדרי-ו4צ]

​@@LaJin9292wraith and huntress are easy to counter same with nurse and blight

[@oldpoetmen]

Twins needs a *huge* rework; the problem with them imo is that their power makes them naturally good at camping, and naturally want to slug - in other words, encouraging them to play with the two most hated strategies for Survivors to play against.

[@Leonlonnyluv]

I think they need to make Victor slower, But make it so that Charlotte will follow Victor after he moves a certain distance away. Maybe even make it so that Victor could drag survivors to the closest hook or something.

[@Snow-Order66]

The way I would do it is allowing Charlotte to teleport to Victor's position and also crush Victor if he gets a down. This way the killer will be forced to hook, Victor can't get hostage anymore because Charlotte can teleport to him while attached to a survivor (similar to Singularity) and the entire slugging is gone.

[@Crimok]

​@@LeonlonnyluvI would stop playing Twins if Charlotte just followed Victor because that's just boring. You would remove a strategic part of them and make them more boring and I'm not talking about camping a survivor on hook with it. Also camping is already bad with 70 seconds per hookstage. Slugging on the other Hand is a strong strategy and I don't have a problem with it on both sides. There are other killers like Oni who can also benefit from slugging and can also snowball with it like Twins. Hell current Huntress can also slug really well with her 7 hatchets and we better don't talk about Trickster because his current version is also very effective with it. Just watch a Trickster main with a slugging build and you will see what I mean. There are many good killers who are good with slugging. Every S-Tier Killer is good with it and most of the A-Tier killers are good with it as well. They just aren't designed to be slugging killers like Twins.

[@Leonlonnyluv]

@@Crimok I imagined the following distance being pretty large. Maybe like 40-60 meters aways before she paths toward you. If Charlotte just always followed Victor that would defeat the whole point of the character. I just want it to be less necessary to slug. Maybe if Victor could drag downs to hooks it would be unnecessary. Also, the twins weren't ENTIRELY designed to slug, they're partially forced too because if Victor runs 100 miles away from Charlotte you'll likely never be able to hook survivors before they're picked up. Even Oni is Forced to slug; its a stronger strategy for the power but he isn't forced too.

[@Crimok]

@@Leonlonnyluv I would prefer if Victor could hook or switch places with Charlotte. NPC Charlotte following Victor is boring

[@dc8836]

Mikey being able to 99 someone doesn't even make thematic sense. Stalking should be per-survivor rather than filling a general pool. You'd have to retune a lot of his stuff to suit this new design, but it makes a lot more sense thematically.

[@Tbot_2]

I think killers like myers and ghost face should gain more stalk further away rather than closer. It's weird that being sneaky from far away is punished while being right next to them is more "stalking" than actually stalking lol.

[@tmoney1487]

I mean at that point youre just making him ghostface, there would be no point to buying both killers if you did that because they would essentially do the same thing, except Michael would be better with his tombstone add on.

[@Krystof-i5o]

Can't believe Scott was the ice truck killer

[@JasonAstora]

lmao i just finished reading "darkly dreaming dexter" made me laugh

[@Ocktay]

I can't believe Zubat was the Bay Harbor Butcher too...

[@ScottJund]

i am literally watching dexter right now and will pretend the last season doesnt exist

[@JasonAstora]

@@ScottJund I was gonna do a video on the book and show differences. I love that it's coming back in popularity rn. Glad you like it

[@shnitzel9052]

@@ScottJundgood show but consistently awful endings haha

[@Mini_Wongel]

Spirit in B is crazy

[@Rad_Roxxi_Music]

Slinger being mid C is wild when he's one of the most fun killers to vs (legitimately the only killer I regularly play that people don't complain about), and bill and unknown being A when they are both extremely obnoxious to play against is also wild.

[@anorak865]

Hot Take: All killers are not fun to play against and they all go in F tier because they have the ability to kill you, that’s obviously toxic and not allowed

[@HadoukenSpammer]

What a lot of people don't realize is that the matchmaking in this game is probably giving them a miserable time, not some S tier killer. As a survivor, this game is a 4x1. Not a 1x1, not a 2x1. If people don't want to play, are trolling, hiding, throwing, you're gonna have a miserable time no matter what. Also, it doesn't help that the current system puts in the same lobby a 5k hour blight against a potato who got carried through soft cap MMR. It's just a complete mess.

[@CaptToilet]

Looking at that chat I can tell what type of players they are. Most killers on this list are D or lower tier. If they use their powers and fail then its fun for them but if they do any sort of mind gaming or strategy then its immediately unfun.

[@vaporghoul]

Yeah i genuinely dont get how we went from "billy is my favorite killer ot play against its so intense and fun!1!1!" To "billy isnt fun bc when i make a mistake he gets to beat me now :((("

[@DarknessAmongUs]

Live service pvp issue. The game gets older, even casual players will get more irritable and refuse to face that it's fun to win and not fun to lose. The exceptions to the rule do not debunk it.

[@Katana314]

I understand why in chase, Xeno ends up in C tier, but I enjoy them for the way they designed survivor counterplay to actually operate 4v1. You essentially get to apply protection hits to teammates if you use the turrets well. A lot of killers give "busiwork" to survivors, but Xenomorph is a killer where people can actually be proactive and strategic, rather than just disarm traps or clean shit off themselves. And yes, in crawl mode he's a tiny bit OP - it's meant to be like an inverse of the standard "Super Modes" a lot of killers get.

[@smokerthewhite]

9 am is INSANE scott but not unwelcome... Certainly not unwelcome...

[@INStheRebel]

My hot take is that Wraith is F tier because every Wraith player under the sun loves to play pallet chicken with their uncloak. You can fake them out a couple of times, but eventually you're gonna have to drop it, they kick it in cloak, and then you only have time to get to the next tile and whether or not it's a shit tile, you have to play it because Wraith will catch up if you try to get to the next one. Repeat over and over until you go down and then they run off, find your teammates and down them in 2 seconds. The only saving grace is sometimes you get to do le epic pallet vault spam to force them to uncloak before they kick it, which is pretty funny.

[@tmoney1487]

You can kick it before they spam vault you just gotta time it right.

[@dadamek8]

Honestly this tier list made me realize that I should probably stop playing survivor. There's nothing that I hate more than Blight and Billy, but they are in like 70% of my matches. I thought most people hate them as well, but I guess it's skill issue. Basekit Blight is ok-ish, but I still feel like his add-ons make him way too strong. Billy is overtuned right now, I liked his first version the most (but without the insta charge add-ons)

[@shadowofsecracy]

I've noticed a weird trend where everyone (me included) I play with hates Billy and everyone I personally talk to about the game hates Billy but every content creator I watch seems to love him.

[@dakota9821]

@@shadowofsecracy Probably because skill issue. Stop healing under hook and learn how to dodge the saw(it's not that hard, crouch tech go hard). A lot of survs are just strait up dumb. I ONLY use my saw when I play billy and ~90% of my matches are wins because they are always healing under hook. His "first" version was rubbish. Being punished for using your power is asinine, and why most billy's used insta. Back reving was objectively the only good use for the saw. I can tell you're either not very experienced, or good because overdrive isn't even that good; You lose turning radius because the speed is more than the turn rate; EG you can't make as tight of turns when the saw is blue. It's only useful for crossing the map. The reason CC's like him when you don't? They actually know how to play the game well. If you're bad? Billy wins.

[@shadowofsecracy]

@@dakota9821 I never said I struggle against him stop being so salty and toxic lol. I can play against him fine, doesn't make him fun. Stop making assumptions about people you know nothing about based on things they never said maybe?

[@Viktor-ej9ss]

There's a KillaWhale video explaining this: if you dont enjoy at least half the killers, you have an unhealthy relationship with the game

[@OperatorError0919]

​@@dakota9821His first version was absolutely not rubbish. Once upon a time, the big three killers in the game were Nurse, Billy and Spirit. With the sole exception of double stacking rev speed addons, pre-overheat Billy was one of the best designed killers in Dbd history.

[@nathanieljacobson2857]

0:00 Scott if his plane was going down

[@doublelizard767]

17:50 my go-to Oni build is lethal pursuer, shadowborn and a bong of weed.

[@pako61-YGR9]

Spirit in high B is crazy

[@kraken3022]

Right, that's not a hot take, thats an L take.

[@pako61-YGR9]

​@@kraken3022 couldn't have said it better

[@squall6439]

Spirit is genuinely the only killer I despise facing and it is 100% a skill issue on my part but idc I hate it

[@VVivec]

I like going against nurse because blinks are fun to dodge

[@tmoney1487]

You'll never dodge a good nurse, she'll get you on the 2nd teleport if anything.

[@VVivec]

@@tmoney1487 mfw good players are harder to play against than bad ones

[@SandwichGamer107]

As Scott mentioned in his video: Bad Nurse = B-Tier Fun Good Nurse = F-Tier Fun I also don't mind often to go against a Nurse, but that is because most Nurses I play against are bad. Obviously I would never want to play against a good Nurse. You can't dodge a Nurses Blinks when she is good. That's just a fact. Obviously going against good players is harder to play against, than bad ones; but in Nurse's Case it's EXTREME. It's literally 2 different Killers at that point.

[@rydiafan1]

"The actual counterplay of Bubba is fun. You get to a window you have to 50/50 the window." Yeah, a counterplay of coin flips is so engaging. I feel like most of the people who say they enjoy playing against bubba only enjoy him because of the "toddler who shit his pants" character design, and not the actual gameplay.

[@ScottJund]

dont you dare undermine the point of toddler who shit his pants being entirely justified in loving him

[@jackk.4670]

While I agree that 50/50s are just an unfun position to be in (and an overall bad game design if this is meant to be the counterplay), Scott did say he loved going against killers with 50/50s (like chase Wraith and Spirit) so it seems like he kinda enjoys that type of counterplay 😅 Meaning that the whole "toddler who shit his pants" thing is just a bonus lol.

[@MaeIsOkay]

Idk if I'd say 50/50s are bad game design, it's a thing where you and the opponent are trying to mind game each other. It's like how fighting games have 50/50s​@@jackk.4670

[@tolland4433]

Absolutely agree. I also don't understand the appeal of 50/50s like this. I mean, sure it's a choice which is good, but like you say in many cases it's just a coin flip. I prefer killers where you still have a "50/50" choice but there's more interaction with working out what a killer is going to do.

[@Pablo-pr4vg]

What vault is a genuine 50/50 against Bubba? A Z-Wall? There’s a reason bamboozle is his most popular perk.

[@foxiki387]

Classic (but also unanimously agreed upon) "most killers in this game feel like swimming in mud when playing against them." You're 100% right.

[@nickdavid1846]

The majority of killers in this game have the ability to play super annoying. It's just how the person behind the killer plays. You can have a super chill nurse that is going for fun hits, or Uber sweats that'll slug even though they've had 5 downs before the first gen pops. Back when I used to play all the time I would try my best just to have fun and not sweat. if I was getting a ton of downs before gens really got done, I would slow down for a bit.

[@ScottJund]

Wtf is a fun nurse hit

[@nickdavid1846]

@ScottJund ok fair. I just meant not garunteeing the hits by waiting for pallets or windows, leaving slight and I mean slight room for outplay from the survivor

[@SandwichGamer107]

I either play Nurse with the 2 Addons that worsen her power, or I just play M1 Nurse. And I never take any Slowdown. I do like to take Aura Reading Perks tho, but not always. Either way I want to be able to play Nurse while not being much of a miserable experience for the other Survivors to go against. And most of the time it works, even if I win more often than not. So I completely agree with you. It mostly depends on the person playing the killer.

[@IG33Z]

My hate for legion and plague depends entirely on which teammates I get, like unhooking someone, getting followed to the gen and them just harassing you to try and heal them, then another guy comes by and heals them and they both get put in mending 10 secs later. but they both have interactive counterplay. (except when plague gets power as you're just about to drop a pallet)

[@spawnoftyphon]

I think most survivors would say my wolf-only Dracula is S-tier to go against. Because they get to pet the dog if they want. They get to see the dog dance. Play fetch with pebble. Too many antics ensue from wolf only.

[@llunull]

My biggest grip with nurse players are the ones that will be mid chase with someone and when you unhook they immediately focus the unhooker. Just because they can guarantee 3 people arent doing gens at all times and get essentially one hit downs. You could run from hook but they run nurses calling to counter it.

[@SirDougles]

"A Strong Male Killer Who Don't Need No Woman"

[@richardx8202]

I feel like most of the "projectile" based killers (Huntress, Nemesis and so on) are not fun to go against because this game is literally being the held with sticks and glue. I don't know if it's due to dedicated servers, but I hate how often killer powers are so inconsistent and hit you even when they really shouldn't, making it so frustrating...

[@tmoney1487]

From the videos ive watched it was even worse when it was P2P instead of dedicated servers. And it made lag switching extremely powerful. If you had bad internet as killer you were at an advantage.

[@richardx8202]

@@tmoney1487 funny thing is that till this day killers with bad internet are still rewarded with impossible hits.. Don't get me started on how many times I've seen a Nurse swing at nothing and still got a hit or survivors getting hit a full second after a fast vault

[@vi-vii-xcix496]

Im convinced survivors ideal killer power is not having a power just a m1 killer getting looped in badham preschool.

[@tmoney1487]

No survivor has ever said that.

[@vi-vii-xcix496]

@@tmoney1487its an exaggeration but its true most survivors hate the strongest killers because they have a strong power. Look at billy every one loved him pre-buff but after it more and more people started hating him because he is way stronger

[@tmoney1487]

​@@vi-vii-xcix496I mean i guess but i dont see how that is supposed to equate to "survivors ideal killer is a killers with no powers". I dont ever see anyone complaining about lich, except Scott i guess. And he has 4 whole powers.

[@vi-vii-xcix496]

@@tmoney1487 the lich is not a strong killer can be countered easily he just came out so survivors dont really know how to play around mage hand which is on a high cooldown with out add ons and his only crutch.

[@duobrown]

I feel like I’m a chill “Chucky” … but I normally play Tiffany, so that could explain it

[@burgerbonkerqueenmsp9761]

Chucky D tiffany B

[@dumblenutz5561]

I'm honestly really surprised you put Myers in D considering how often people glaze the fuck out of Myers Especially Scratched Mirror; I cannot for the life of me find it fun. Mirror Myers matches have been the most boring matches in the game for me.

[@tmoney1487]

Running object of obsession turns mirror myers from a D tier to an easy S tier. That shit is hilarious to watch them figure out why their mind games arent working.

[@shep4197]

@@tmoney1487 except object doesn’t work against scratch mirror because he’s undetectable

[@robbanks7483]

​@@shep4197 made up story ruined in seconds, imagine if they're wallhacking and explaining it with the object of obsession, lmao

[@tmoney1487]

​@shep4197 I was thinking vanitys mirror, i dont think I've ever lost to a scratched mirror myers because being stuck in tier 1 is so bad. I normally am against the 6m terror radius vanitys mirror myers. I love going against scratched mirror cause you can just run around loops where you can see over and it makes scratched mirror worthless

[@coffee8599]

Michael Myers is probably the only genuinely "fun" one that I could name. Play style matters of course, but nobody jumpscares like Mike. Makes it still feel like a horror game and not tag. Nonsense hitboxes/ping ruin the fun factor for a lot of killers because it makes it feel/look unfair. I don't think Wesker has ever thrown me against something ON MY SCREEN, but always a hit (example), lol.

[@CaptToilet]

Agreed 100% about Mikey. I fear for his rework though. BHVR gonna strip what little horror he has left.

[@shadowofsecracy]

if you're someone who doesn't really care for "jumpscares" or just doesn't fall for them he just doesn't offer anything else fun wise and it's just not fun to get 1 shot out of nowhere and not know if you did something or your teammates did and you got punished for it. Also the "counterplay" of "hope the map RNG gives you a lot of LOS blockers" isn't fun. Even if he's not that strong he's never fun to face. Not that I'm trying to change your mind, just giving context I guess.

[@timoshy10023]

Usually I’m the one getting chased n teammates getting tier 3d, lol I love Mikey 🥰 n the chase itself is fun. Like being cautious of his fast ass vaults. Keeps u on edge😂. N if u find out he has scratched mirror good luck catching anyone without catching them off guard. N if he had tombstone, fuck denying him his kill, just play normally. U get to go back to lobby fast

[@Leaf__22]

Yeah nothing is more fun than getting instant downed with no way to react!

[@JP_knees]

im glad scott is running into chill Weskers, all I ever get are the boring Bamboozle gamers that refuse to play against both windows and pallets

[@remr9615]

I personally can't stand doctor, it's so overwhelming the fact he can find you anywhere effortlessly, it becomes a non-stop hook after hook match, I just can't deal with it

[@tmoney1487]

Static blast, go to nearest scream, shock therapy over loop until close enough to hit, get screwed by ping and pallet stunned while theyre screaming, down them, repeat.

[@Olafaloofian]

12:01 S-tier Spirit sfx impression

[@brendan3226]

I love the "oh shit" feeling when I hear an Oni use his power

[@genesisosuna]

Plague is not fun to go against, I don't care what anyone says, neither is spirit. I still have trauma from old spirit and most if not all spirit players I go against are so sweaty, it's annoying I'd also argue Dracula and Chucky are definitely F tier. They're extremely oppressive for how little effort they require to play

[@billcipher147]

I genuinely feel like at some point they just stopped considering how fun a killer is to go against and only paid attention to how fun they are to play as. Which you'd think experienced game designers could tell is a downright horrible design philosophy for an asymmetrical game, but... you know.

[@Keygentlemen]

They'd have run out of killer ideas ages ago if they actually paid any attention to that I genuinely feel like DbD should've been a singleplayer game where they put all their effort into making AI victims engaging to chase, neither side is actually fun to play at the stage where we're buried under miles of left-to-rot powers and perks and maps that all come from different periods of design philosophy

[@tmoney1487]

​@Keygentlemen I mean they basically are out of killer ideas. Every killer power boils down to the same mechanics, ranged/dash attacks used for zoning or teleports used for chase and map presence. Then you have the odd trap or insta-down killer here and there. Its why i personally like the lich so much, he breaks the mold and tries some things that are outside the box for killer designs. Not to mention the special items giving survivors another really cool way to interact with him like no other killer really has.

[@soulbender1987]

I can imagine fs chucky is not fun to play against but he is extremely fun to play as

[@DarknessAmongUs]

Killers are bigger money makers. I'd wager survivor skins, notably of the women, and licensed Killers make up the lion's share of the game's revenue now. If enough survivors make the queue hell, they release new meta perks for survivors to be nerfed in a month or two and people come back.

[@dojo45789]

Its kinda wild how since the desync issues huntress hits around the corner both as and against are way more common, but for poor deathslinger ive noticed more frequently the harpoon will just not register and go right through survivors both as and against. Ive watched a harpoon go straight through my chest and miss me somehow. Plus its wild they released his blighted skin and it was completely unusable.

[@taragnor]

I know I'm in the minority here, but I love going against Sadako, her ability to be everywhere on the map at any time, the constant growing tension of the condemn meter and the many choices you have with regards to when you do a tape, work gens, unhook or shut off a TV make for a really exciting match. And everytime you hear that teleport sound she could be almost anywhere, so you're always on your toes.

[@tmoney1487]

I mean at that point just play dredge or demogorgon if you enjoy the teleport mechanics. Micromanaging tapes, tvs, and condemned stacks arent fun as a survivor to me.

[@taragnor]

@@tmoney1487 Dredge can be fun too, but I hate the nightfall darkness, since I can't see anything. Demo is okay but most demo players don't teleport all over, they're more of a basic "see survivor, kill survivor" type of playstyle. So I rarely feel the tension that demo could show up at any moment. I actually do find micromanaging the condemn to be fun, since it adds another layer to the strategy. It's another side quest but without the immediate crushing urgency of Pinhead's box or Pig's headtraps that forces you to drop what you're doing immediately and deal with it. The tapes are something that's always in your head, and you can try to work in delivering them at different times. But because you need 7 condemn it's not so oppressive that you feel like you can't eat a little condemn and be okay. So you get a cool dynamic where you get the option to take away teleport spots by turning off TVs (often time very worth it if you're unhooking or want safety doing a gen), but at the same time you build condemn by doing so. It's a killer mechanic that feels nice to me because you can actively engage with it as a survivor.

[@R_E_X_O_]

I hate going against pigs that just want people to boop them. I just want to play a normal game so I tried to loop and when they downed and hooked me none of my teammates would go for the save because they all booped. Normal Pig can be pretty fun tho. I feel like Legion is incredibly boring to go against because its just always going to last a long time. I feel like half the game is just spent mending. Like it isn't hard to go against and I can escape most times, it just takes 20 minutes

[@foraminutethere23]

I love playing pig but probably 30-40% of the matches survivor want boops. ***** dont kill my vibe

[@shades4385]

I have literally mever encountered a pig who wanted boops, like every single one has just played the game as straight as possible

[@Melbeezo]

"______ in _ tier is bad" it's a subjective fun based tier list. If you don't like his ratings make your own tier list.

[@spawnoftyphon]

Myers is my favorite killer to vs because I like playing the stay out of line of sight game while watching the player's behavior and power timing to figure out what addons they have.

[@ssassb]

For me any killer with a power focused on anti-looping has high chances of being unfun and annoying. Of course, there are some killers with anti-looping powers that I don't mind, but the thing is that Behaviour is addicted (or more like not very creative) to making new killers with anti-looping powers. Some anti-looping has counterplay while others don't. For instance, we have PH, Nemesis, Dracula, Alien and Huntress (?) that have a ranged attack that in many situations can give the killer a guaranteed hit if you drop a pallet. However, I don't mind PH and Huntress too much as I feel like there is more counterplay involved. I don't even know if Huntress should even be put there, but I guess she can guarantee hits if a survivor drops a pallet or in some loops in general, but her power is way different than the others. The thing is, not including Huntress, all those killers have a very similar power that does about the same thing. Then there are also killers that the counterplay is to just leave the loop because their power makes the loop unloopable, I suppose, like Artist, Dredge, Knight and Skull Merchant. I don't mind the Dredge too much here, but the others are kinda boring. I'm also not an INSANE SURVIVOR main, I guess I could say I'm intermediate level (?) but I play casually, I don't want to get into DbD and tryhard my soul out of my body. I also don't want to play a game I won't have fun, so when I get a killer that I think is unfun to play or has a unfun playstyle, I don't make much of an effort to stay alive in that game, I would rather spin the wheel again for the next game. I think interacting with the killer is most likely the most fun part of DbD and if it is shortened it is kinda meh. There is also the problem of if chases take too long, killers lose because survivors will do the gens, but I guess that enters into the problem of gen speeds or objectives in general (increasing gen times would make holding M1 on generators longer, therefore more boring). Anyway, I'm just babbling, I'm not thinking much here just saying things as they come. I play both survivor and killer "equally" and that is one of my problems while playing survivor, I suppose. Also, I never cared too much about the MMR even though I would aim for escapes and kills naturally as in see it as my main objectives in the game. But I don't know, just stopped doing that, guess having Behaviour define my objective in game is kinda ass when they over simplify the win conditions for their shitty MMR system, which they claimed took years to make but is so simple it could be done in a week while they had an interesting system they could refine and improve on already in place (which also would make gameplay more interesting and fun since the objective wasn't a binary thing).

[@allusionari]

scott i have some news for you... there's a trickshot artist going around on NA servers and it's so fun to face

[@TotallyNotBTN]

Solid reasoning, I think the only killer where I heavily sigh when I hear their terror radius or see them is trickster, everyone else I don't really mind either because it's like spotting Nessie in the wild (Twins, Hag) or there's still things you can do, at least at the low level I play at.

[@SandwichGamer107]

Everyone seems to have their fair share of killers they absolutely despise to go against. Now it's my turn. Hopefully some of ya'll agree with me but I also want others to disprove what I think of the killer, because I may be missing something essential. I absolutely despise going against the Singularity: 1. He can spam his little Drone Cams with no Cooldown. So everytime you are in a loop, he can just place one there and easily & quickly "infect" you. You might say "Oh, he loses Map Pressure if he uses it that way!". Well yeah, that may be, but it still doesn't change the fact that you can't really counter that playstyle in chase. It's comparable to where Old Legion also had no Counterplay in Chase, while still losing his game because of no Map Pressure. He was still reworked because it was miserable to go against. Now you might say "Use the ECM Items in the boxes you can open", which brings me to my next point: 2. I honestly think they don't do enough. Ok cool, you can remove your infection in chase and you may have disabled 1 or 2 cams. Ok, what now? He just places new ones and you get infected again. Then we are back to square one. And with the recent changes you can't get more during chase because the chests now cap at like 85% or smth. And let's imagine he uses it to gain Map Pressure. Let's say he places it near Generators and stuff: 3. He is literally the new Skull Merchant. I know some people who have switched from Skull Merchant to Singularity so they can continue that cancerous playstyle of 3 Gens and stuff. Just like Skull Merchant places her drones near gens, Singularity places his Drone Cams. And in both cases you can't fully remove them at all. You can disable them "temporarily", but you can't remove them. Which I absolutely despise. It's annoying to Get the ECM Item, disable Cams, do Generator, get back to the ECM Item, disable Cams again, and do Generators. Rinse and Repeat. 4. And can we talk about how overtuned his "Overclocked"-Mode is? First of he can teleport so many times to you without any real cooldowns. This is basically a easy to use Nurse Blink which would be pretty strong by itself. And if you say "But you need Line of Sight! Nurse can blink through walls and doesn't need Line of Sight!". That's what the Cams are for, in cases like these. Because you can also teleport by using your Cams. And once he teleports to you, what are you supposed to do exactly? He vaults Windows insanely fast, so that is not a valid option in most cases. Maybe Pre-drop Pallets? Well no, because not only does he destroy pallets really fast but he also destroys Pallets near him when he teleports to you. Ok then stun him with the Pallet? Nope because he can't be stun and gets a free hit of it. Why does it do so much? Honestly the teleport itself would already be strong enough in most cases; but by making Pallets & Windows useless against him, is essentially going against a Nurse at this point. Hopefully someone can tell me what to do against that miserable thing. 95% of Singularity Games were as much cancerous as going against Twins or Skull Merchant (or Old Legion).

[@xian63]

"every chucky is an asshole" i kinda agree i usu try 12 hooks when its an option and im on a strong killer like chuckster but damn i really cant remember any time ive done that or given a survivor another chance at life. interesting maybe anothing video could be "WHAT KILLER WILL TURN YOU INTO PRO PLAYER!!!", like the mindsets the killer gives the player, like blights just being sweaty or chuckies never chilling out etc

[@mckookie2967]

Billy is the most fun in miles, especially since the general survivor consensus is that he's op, babies

[@dryanaa4474]

I haven’t finished watching, but if artist isn’t in F- tier I’m gonna force you to go to a diddy party

[@viardzen]

I think xeno is basically the same as deathslinger counterplay where you just run and pray they suck, but I think that only applies if you take the power at base. Having turrets that you can control and integrate into your looping imo really makes counterplay unique and I wish more killers were designed similarly... Like xeno is going to steamroll you if you dont use the counterplay, same way that larry works, but idk I like trying to plan around running into turrets and such. solo queue is a nightmare tho, especially how many people just drop a turret next to the tunnel entrance...

[@LuvShiramine]

if the huntress has high ping she becomes insufferable not even with de-sync rn, had a huntress hit me from a short wall jungle gym vault to the lockers in it with a hatchet one time playing at my usual ping a few months ago

[@Hux-Lee]

28:00 “Singularity has no counterplay” That’s why EMPs exist

[@madithevampirequeen9316]

i really hope wesker still stays really fun on both sides after the changes, im really nervous about what theyre gonna do to him next month lol

[@nemnogotupitsa311]

i’m confused by certain killers getting decently high ratings and being called fun for 50/50s in loops like chase wraith and bubba while others got low ratings for the same thing like clown

[@patchesgaming9139]

The rankings are interesting. My hot take is that Chucky is fun to go against as I enjoy making the Chucky miss and his small size makes him unique for example most killers can't wait in a spot to ambush a survivor whereas a chucky can wait for a survivor to vault at shack and be there waiting making survivors think about vaulting more or keeping an eye behind them more. I'd also put Dredge in S tier as I enjoy how spooky he can be and his nightfall mechanic is fun on both ends imo. Also as someone who largely plays Dredge it's always fun to zip around the map always being able to cut people off and rarely but occasionally getting a locker teleport grab is pretty satisfying. on the other hand I'd swap Twins and Legion as 99% of Legions bring some form of a thanatophobia build which gets annoying to deal with real fast as they zip between teammates quickly. Getting a massive gen speed reduction is annoying especially when you're in solo Q and your teammates run off to self care for half the game.. Whereas going against the twins has a fun game of can you kick victor first or not..

[@weebbender8352]

Oni is without a doubt my favorite killer on both sides. Succeeding as Oni requires being skilled as base level chase, rather than abusing zoning or stacking gen slowdown. As a Survivor however you get a banger chase theme, M1 killer chases, as well as a loopable power on a CD, so he's incredibly fair in every regard.

[@MrPendalv]

As an expert Oni player I say to you that his power doesn't has real counterplay. I stopped using akito addon long ago because it's too strong, so I use 8% speed addon for survs to have some counter. But without speed add-ons his power indeed has counterplay in many loops. See that Scott said it's fun for him because he juke them)) and for the chat it's fun untill they verse good Oni. Survivors like killers with easy counterplay, and it's kinda easy to dodge 80% of Oni players so that's why people love to verse him.

[@MightyJabroni]

My least favorite killer(s) to go against are, by quite a margin, the Twins. There are other dull killers, like Trickster and Clown, where you basically need to pre-run, otherwise you get melted. And certain (as well as not exactly rare) tiles are death sentences against these guys, once the player behind them is just competent enough (let alone good). But Twins are in a league of their own, when it comes to how frustrating it is to face them. I have no doubt in my mind, that Twins would get a similar amount of heat like the previous versions of Skull Merchant did, if they saw more play. It’s a good thing for the 6 Twins mains in existence, that they get played so rarely. Because I swear, once a Twins player is decent or good enough with Victor, you are just auto-screwed as survivor. Against a good Twins player (which at heart means: a good Victor player), I feel like I have even less agency over what happens to me in chase, than I have against a good Nurse. Because you cannot loop Victor, you cannot misdirect him, holding W is equally pointless and pre-running him is impossible, since you rarely will spot the little shit in good time. You have zero tactical options against Victor as soon as the player behind him is competent. Imagine if there was an addon for Nurse, where she’d lose the ability to blink through walls, but would have no period of disorientation after her blinks and move at a 150% movement speed with a tiny terror radius (while being Chucky sized). That is basically Victor. If I get away from a Victor (or hold him at bay for a couple of pounces), it is only ever because he messes up. Not really because of something that I did. It is on the Twins player, and on the Twins player alone, to mess up. Survivor movement barely matters. Because if Victor just runs up to you with ease and then point-blanks you, there is NOTHING that you can do. And what makes matters worse is that even games versus Twins, where you get stomped (read: almost all of them), are typically drawn out. Because the entire map is littered with gamers taking turns being slugged and picking each other up.

[@ArthurEverling]

As a Trapper main, injured survivors should go down if they step into a trap regardless if they free themselves or get freed. I have had multiple occasions where the same survivor stepped in multiple traps, got freed, and ran into an exit gate. Take that as you will.

[@tmoney1487]

Thats not going to make the trapper any more fun, it would probably make them even less fun honestly. More powerful sure, but a boring killer being made more powerful would just push them further down this list. I personally think trapper is fine the way he is now. Not every killer needs to be super powerful. Try using traps in chase to force survivors to leave the loop, or just stay on top of your traps more, and if a survivor gets out with the help of a teammate then good that's just teaching survivors that working as a team is better than working by yourself. Thats what trapper is meant to do, teach both the killer and survivors how to play the game. Its why he's the first killer you unlock. His purpose is not to be some all powerful killer that gets free value every time someone steps in a trap. And if they did make it so that traps were insta downs as you described then what even would be the point of helping your teammate get out of a trap if theyre going down anyway? At that point youre giving trapper free pressure because he can just slug that person that got downed and immediately start a chase with whoever is over there helping them. Youd be better off just leaving them in the trap and letting the trapper have them.

[@vaporghoul]

​@@tmoney1487if the survivor is injured it wouldnt be an insta down, which is what hes suggesting

[@WutTheDeuceGaming]

12:26 that is not true. Legion is unenjoyable to most people because of the constant mending. Why would anyone in 2024 be uncomfortable injured, when being injured is at it's least significance? In a lot of scenarios, survivors get stronger when injured.

[@Upsetkiller456]

I miss old deathslinger, one of the final reasons I was even playing the game. I understand people abused his zoning but they just threw the baby out with the bath water. I LOVED going for quick scopes and flick shots with him. IDK if it if would work but what if they made his ADS time what it used to be but slow him down more when ADS'd AND if the stops aiming, the reversion is slower too, making shots more committal yet still allowing for fast reaction hits.

[@steaksoymilk3195]

Bubba is chad level fun, i dont know any other killers were you can jump in to a locker with him in front of you with a chainsaw and you have the chance to get away from a killer stuff up.

[@YagamiTrala]

I will never understand why people like going against Huntress. For me she's zoning extravaganza, the most boring zoning killer in existence, bottom of D tier easily.

[@NeilMarshall6]

Wesker would be fun except for Weskers being massive tunnelers which makes it a bit boring.

[@hompa1670]

Oni is similar to Myers though. A bad teammate can fuck up, get hit easily, and feed him his power and then you suffer for it

[@pocketdust2450]

I was just playing Twins yesterday with the Void death room build and everyone agrees. You cannot escape void with Victor attached, nor while downed. Playing Twins is at most C tier due to micromanagement but playing against them is the least fun among all killers because you are pigeon holed into two styles and the more miserable for survivors is the more effective. A good Singularity is pressuring the entire team and takes the opportunity to down the most exposed person, he is absolutely D tier to play against but uber S to play as. As Chucky I don't run rat poison but I always use the power in loops because that is all he has, and what he has is ultra boring for survivor because you cannot dodge it at most loops, only around some niche rocks, definite F tier to go against because he just waits for his 95/5 anti-loop power to come back every 8 seconds.

[@Yigit_Efe_Dalyan]

27:12 THE ONLY PERSON TO HAVE THE SAME OPINION AS ME HOLY SHIT (dont get me wrong i hate both of them but i fucking hate knight 'cuz solo q is ass)

[@kortzite5204]

This tier list goes to show that giving Killers an actual power makes the game worse 90% of the time

[@nocturn05]

I feel like pre RE-nerf twins had to be MORE fun to play against. Ive played twins for eons, and during the time when you could consistently recall Victor, i genuinely never felt like slugging was necessary. I could get him out for a single chase or use him for an injure and it wouldnt take a millenia to get him back. Slugging wasnt the only way to use the power well. And then they nerfed it, and everything other than slugging takes 500 years to do again.

[@MrBlueWaooWaoo]

Scott I haven't watched the video but I'm sorry to say your opinion is actually wrong. Please remake this video with the correct opinion, thank you

[@luck3yp0rk93]

Ever planning on doing a “fun perks to go against” tier list? Or worst perks to go against I guess since there’s few that make the game more fun

[@flux13]

I think Trickster is fun to play against, mainly because there's a range that most Tricksters have trouble with, and that's actually close-mid range. So I just dance around as they try to hit me, but I end up dodging 80-100% of their knives. Being completely unpredictable in how you run makes it all the better.

[@MightyJabroni]

But against a smart Trickster you will just get zoned in no time. Because "dancing around" just means that you give up heaps of distance - so he just M1s you.

[@flux13]

@@MightyJabroni Yes, I do agree with that. If you know how to move in such a way to not give up too much distance at a further range, you should be fine. The hitboxes for knives are very precise. Yes, it may be boring to have to put stuff in the way of you and the trickster, but that's just the counterplay. The fun comes from being completely unpredictable in your pathing and having him miss. I think if more people played Trickster, we'd be finding out the even more plays to use against his power. I still see the top Tricksters having trouble throwing up-close, though.

[@iXSIKOBOIXi]

I'd argue Hag is more fun than trapper because when you trigger her traps you're not guaranteed down, it's just a hit, and you can actually trigger her traps to bait them into Teleporting into it if you think they don't know you know it's there. Also there's easier counterplay than trapper because if you have someone crouching around they can just wipe away her traps. Still only tops out at C tier but I would argue more fun to play against than Trapper and maybe Myers too Demo is just Huntress but he throws himself instead of Hatchets. I think he's super fun to play against, dodging his shred is so satisfying

[@dakota9821]

Except the 1 time a month you get a hag? All they do is put 5 traps around the hook and proxy camp from 40m..

[@iXSIKOBOIXi]

@@dakota9821 I played against a hag fairly recently, until that person gets on the hook it's much more enjoyable, and you say that looks trapper doesn't ALSO do that, but he doesn't have to physically move to the position via teleporting, he can just bring the add-on that makes you go down if you release yourself

[@Xdxdxd228]

Dbd is the only game where people make this distinction of “fun to play against or not”, every other game you just call it what It is “this hero is so strong It’s unfun to play against plz nerf”

[@MrBlueWaooWaoo]

Trapper is so strong it's unfun to play against plz nerf.

[@TheNateCast]

Yeah because heros aren't power roles they are just part of a team. Killers shape the entire dynamic of a match, sorta like a different gamemode. 2v8 will probably be a lot more like "heroes," and then the narrative will shift.

[@mrjamezjc9845]

Not really😂there are heroes in OW that aren’t fun to go against no matter how strong or weak they are, league has TONS of champs that are super unfun to go against even if they are in a super weak state

[@redwater1995]

It happens in other games. Like dota 2. Old techies was always a mega pain in the ass for all other 9 players in the game. It meant for the enemy team that attacking up high ground and ending the fuckin game becomes an hour long affair. For the team with techies they are playing borderline 4v5 for 90% of the game and have some useless asshole just being a shit. Old tinkerer was similar as he would tp everywhere suck of 90% of his teams farm and doing nothing with it besides keeping all the lanes pushed out. And killing him was a fuckin trial and a half for the other team. It can happen in every game.

[@Xdxdxd228]

@@MrBlueWaooWaoo he’s unfun to play against because you have a skill issue and can’t look where you are stepping. Again this is all copium.

[@eeeezypeezy]

I'd honestly put Vecna in A tier. He has powerful abilities but they take skill to use effectively, so if I'm getting stomped by a Vecna I'm not even mad I'm impressed. I like trying to loop around mage hand, juking fly, and the items mechanic is fun - most of the time by the time I'm being chased I can see him in fly or avoid his dispelling sphere

[@mikediaz6783]

“I don’t think this man likes playing survivor”

[@mizark3]

Plague can't reasonably be above D-tier due to both the Legion effect, and also deleting 25% of an already limited set of tools Survivor has access to. Deleting Altruism entirely is horrible game design. Also Ghostface (and any Stealth Killer) being so low is really an exclusive streamer complaint. It makes sense that it wouldn't be fun if you are watching chat on gens, and miss the Stealth Killer, but in normal gameplay (not streaming) it is a fair skill contest for who pays more attention.

[@crunchycakegaming1507]

6:20 i mean this is just a troll pretty much since he could have just… y’know… killed you before he hooked you but instead wasted time face-camping

[@BecketTheHymnist]

Nemmy is A tier dude. I love greeding the pallet over and over watching him pull up his whip. Also juking him at close range when he pulls the whip is SUPER fun. Lots of mind games = lots of fun. I wish more people would play Nemmy. The only thing I don't like is when the zombies literally block narrow passageway and give him a free hit or down. Without the zombies Nemmy would be S tier.

[@wearecovenant2846]

31/37 killers are considered to be ok to face at best tells a lot about the games overall state, even if its a subjective list.

[@SgtWinters77]

Overall I like these rankings. Except Vecna, easily D tier killer. The items suck except for the mage hand speed boost. Dbd needs to stop with the multi power killers. Dracula shouldn't even be in the game. Recycling old powers is lazy and usually problematic.

[@s66s46]

19:30 nah a good blight can not be compared to a good nurse at all, nurse skips walls, pallets, windows, blight doesnt

[@Zombi3kill3rOO]

when i'm playing nemesis i will throw the game to tunnel a jill if there's one in my lobby just to be lore accurate

[@Bonzi77]

that was truly the video ending of all time

[@Doncroft1]

Something wrong with your audio cable at the end, Scott! You better fix that!

[@austorious]

dracula is so bloated, he's like 4 killers in 1

[@wildtacocat]

I think I’m the only person who thinks going against Pinhead is an S tier game, like as long as they aren’t the box controller ones I love dodging the chains it’s just so fun for me

[@Coulroperation]

Surprised to see so many Oni haters in here, I thought putting him in S would be the least controversial take possible, everyone I've ever played with love him lol.

[@youfieua]

i love camping as bubba still

[@tolland4433]

How Bubba is S tier is beyond me... I don't get what makes an instadown killer so fun. At least with Billy there is reasonable educated guesswork with each interaction but with bubba there's minimal engagement and then you get downed, even worse in solo when two of your teammates will get downed from one charge next to a hooked teammate.

[@themuggle7071]

Honestly bro, im not even trying to be an A-hole. Skill issue.

[@Nope-gq4ww]

His insta down has enough counter play that it doesn't feel overly oppressive. But more importantly, Bubbas have somehow Stockholmed the community into loving him. Maybe it's his noises and nonsenses sounds or it's his silly af nod but for what ever reason he has become dbd's sweet heart.

[@tolland4433]

@@themuggle7071 Pardon me for disliking killers that have minimal and uninteresting engagement. Not sure how providing legitimate points (and even making comparisons with other killers that I do think are enjoyable enough) makes it a skill issue but okay.

[@themuggle7071]

@@tolland4433 Oh no man I'm not hating on your opinion. It's just the reason why you think there's minimal interaction is because you don't know the mindgames. That and you've probably never played against a good Bubba. Do you camp/pre drop pallets against Bubba?

[@taragnor]

Yeah I don't find him very fun either. Usually just comes down to how many pallets you have to work with. I can see the fun in dodging Billy or Blight, but Bubba is just boring, since as far as I can tell it's just simply a matter of "do I have the distance to get to the next vault or pallet?"