Killer Value: Valerion Visionmaster Plus2 Beats $5000 Rivals

[@OwenL2020]

11:13 -- I've seen this side by side with a $16,000 JVC and aside from exact color reproduction, I couldn't tell any difference. Which is astounding considering the price and literal size difference.

[@JilesMcCoy]

Its a really big deal.

[@fukamushi-san]

Can you provide a link to that comparison video? Cheers

[@Nite-owl]

@@fukamushi-san kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5vPhIWqntydrtk

[@Nite-owl]

@@fukamushi-san If youtube removes the link, just search for "the hook up - extras".

[@jfbaquero]

Great review. But I disagree with all the "convenient stuff". As many other potential users I own a lot of audio and video gear, I have HiFi amps and speaker and inteligente TV Boxes, bluray 4k UHD players, etc. I would rather prefer having a striped down versión of Max model at the price of the Plus 2. No need to have sound amps, speakers and Google/Android TV and apps. All that convenience will eventually will become obsolete, give us a box with the best video hardware and optics with lots of inputs and outputs for other audio/video hardware (actually there are plenty already) I suppose getting rid of all that hardware/software can make a more competitive product for audiophiles and videophiles.

[@JilesMcCoy]

Thanks for watching! I wonder if they have are plans to produce models that aren’t lifestyle devices? That style of product would match what you are looking for for.

[@c0mbat15]

I couldn't agree more. Why build the best projector and then use it with a seriously compromised sound system?

[@hjsilvahjsilva]

Amigo eu penso igual...

[@cotx79]

I would love a stripped down version but the fact of the matter is is that the vast majority don’t invest in audio like that. They want less components. Integrated apps offer convenience. I have a full blown system myself and I use Apple TV so I can see if you wanting more investment in picture quality for less. But let’s be fair, this product definitely offers quite a bit and rivals some of the best out there that don’t offer these features. I definitely am interested in one of these

[@valueelectronics9390]

Thank you for another very informative video presentation! I'd love for you to compare Valerion Visionmaster vs. Hisense's new C2-Ultra portable projector.

[@JilesMcCoy]

I'd love to do that!

[@studio9400]

Great video sir!!! Question. I have an EPSON 5050UB with an amazing feature that allows for two programable Lens buttons on the remote. I have a 2:35 screen and when I want to watch a movie in that format I simply select "Lens 1" on my remote and the zoom/size changes to my custom setting for that button. When I want to switch back and watch regular tv (16x9) I can simply select "Lens 2" and the project "zooms out" automatically. Do you know if the Valerian or any of the other laser projectors in this price range have this ability?

[@JilesMcCoy]

The Valerion does not have motorized zoom. That would be an awesome feature! Maybe it will be available on the Max? I’m not sure about that.

[@GodFear]

Hey Jiles, very informative video and nicely done. Would you be able to do a comparo between Valerion and Hisense C2 Ultra.

[@JilesMcCoy]

If I can get a C2 I will.

[@alexisgueits7684]

I was going for the Pro 2... but honestly this is the one! The Plus 2 will be the perfect upgrade for my Xgimi Horizon Pro that I have used for the past 3 years. Thanks 🍻

[@JilesMcCoy]

Nice!

[@francismedina4547]

Thanks for reviewing the Plus 2. Please review the higher tier Pro 2 when you can. Their top model, Max, is scheduled to come out in May of next year. Max is the one I’m planning to get because it has motorized vertical lens shift and dynamic iris.

[@JilesMcCoy]

I’d love to review the Max for the exact same reason. I think that dynamic iris will make many projector companies take a second look at Valerion.

[@valueelectronics9390]

I'm happy to send you Hisense's New C2-Ultra for another review.

[@JilesMcCoy]

Hey - I'd love to do that! What details do you need?

[@valueelectronics9390]

@@JilesMcCoy Just email me your address and cell phone #.

[@JilesMcCoy]

Just dropped the details to you on FB messenger!

[@mike.m00se]

Hello, do you know what the lens offset is on this projector? For example, if I were to ceiling mount the projector how much distance/offset would there be from the lens to the top of the screen? (assuming the projector is 10' away projecting a 120" screen)

[@JilesMcCoy]

With these I think you just point it where you want it to go and it will do the geometry adjustment automatically.

[@jordirapper]

Think I'm going for the pro 2. Will be my first real projector.

[@calvincooper1436]

does yours also say 2099 for the price or how do you get the extra 200 off?

[@jordirapper]

@@calvincooper1436 when i ordered, it states that the 200 will be removed when I have to pay the price when they get ready to send.

[@dbambrick996]

@@calvincooper1436that deal is over now

[@JilesMcCoy]

Nice!

[@bucclao209]

How much & can I use my 3D player and will work with my 3d glasses ??

[@JilesMcCoy]

I’m not a 3D guy :(

[@gerhardnagy4277]

if I understand this right, there is no zoom, so picture size will be determined my how far away from the screen the projector is placed? Is there a chart for this?

[@JilesMcCoy]

The max size is, yes.

[@OwenL2020]

The Max model has optical zoom.

[@JilesMcCoy]

@@OwenL2020 Its a big deal!

[@roysc6839]

Can you share the chart for the distance range that the projector should be for a 125 inches screen?

[@Jackyahbish]

How big of a deal is vertical lens shifting and a set focal length? Do you think those things will make the max that much better. I don’t really understand what it’s like having it vs not having it. Looking at getting my first projector.

[@JilesMcCoy]

Its a big deal when you are permanently mounting a projector. For portable use cases its not a big deal.

[@pranavnjain]

@@JilesMcCoy Hey, thanks for the video. What do you think about the Dynamic IRIS feature? I'm on the same boat @Jackyahbish is. Looking at getting my first projector.

[@Jackyahbish]

@@JilesMcCoy thanks. My intuition was the opposite. I feel like you wouldn’t need any of those features if mounting permanently. Wouldn’t you need more flexibility if moving around to different walls.

[@JilesMcCoy]

@@pranavnjain Dynamic Iris is a must have. Cant wait to see the extra performance it brings!

[@JilesMcCoy]

@@Jackyahbish You need enough flexibility to mount it where you need. If it wont work in the spot you need to mount it you are stuck vs being able to move it around.

[@bryanp4827]

Can't wait until they're in Australia!🤞

[@JilesMcCoy]

Hopefully soon!

[@a.s.5280]

What would be the maximum possible image size for the Max model at a distance of 3 meters and how big at a distance of 4 meters?

[@flatoutish]

At 3 meter you the biggest you can get is a 3.33m wide image (3m/0.9) and at 4 meter you can get 4.44m wide image. So that is equal to 150" 16:9 at 3m and 200" 16:9 at 4m throw distance.

[@a.s.5280]

@@flatoutish thx alot mate

[@JilesMcCoy]

Thanks!

[@michaelkao2094]

How does it compare with the popular LS12000 and 5050UB, which you compare on spec only. But how about viewing experience?

[@JilesMcCoy]

I’ll comparing someone sends me the projectors :)

[@excxflyr]

any specs on how long the laser is rated for and if replacement is an option?

[@JilesMcCoy]

I do t have any. The website does though.

[@ascendav]

I saw in another comment that you say the measurements have been validated. Can you post those measurements and say who they were taken by?

[@JilesMcCoy]

They are posted on AVS Forum. Toid did some as well.

[@DLPHomeCinema]

@@ascendav we have exactly zero calibrated measurements. All of the people who have "tested" these have said they do not have the ability to calibrate a triple laser projector. That doesn't mean the specs aren't true, we don't know yet. We do know they haven't been validated.

[@TheOnlyBlockchainDE-jc5wd]

How do I know all you guys are not paid? Great review and all, thanks. It just makes me suspicious how good it sounds...

[@JilesMcCoy]

You should assume that everyone on KZbin is paid one way or another. Its a job. Our job is to create videos. You just need to find folks that you trust to give you real information.

[@TheOnlyBlockchainDE-jc5wd]

​@@JilesMcCoy thanks, yeah you're totally right. I want to believe its actually that good 😄 how are the fans? How noisy are they?

[@JilesMcCoy]

@ They are quiet. Less than the PX3 Pro in the room.

[@donjaun540]

Oh🤔 can it adjust itself if placed to the side of the screen ❓

[@JilesMcCoy]

Yes, it has auto keystone, autofocus, and obstacle avoidance. Worked great on my 100” 16:9 screen.

[@rayjuarez5111]

Is something like this going to compete with my older JVC X500R?

[@JilesMcCoy]

It’s hard to say. Depends on how you plan to use the device. I’d also need to see how your PJ performs.

[@RodrigoBottieri]

What about the sound | speakers when compared to similar projectors? Better, worse, the same? Particularly interested in a better/worse comparison to Harman Kardon Xgimi Horizon 2x8w speakers

[@JilesMcCoy]

Ive never head the Xgimi before. I was very happy with these though.

[@tibortatrai2318]

Just wondering if any of these are better than the Hisense C2 Ultra?

[@12Vencedor]

i talked to a german home cinema team. They said its actually the same base components but a little tweaked to their own need. but then i think to myself how can valerion give more native contrast?

[@MrGold786]

Contrast will definitely be a marketing stunt, like the laser is turned off when the screen is completely black to give unreal contrast ratio,

[@12Vencedor]

@@MrGold786 so you would think hisense and valerion will produce the same image? I mesn turnin off the laser is the only way to produce deep blacks with a projector right? So why cant hisense claim 4000 native😂

[@MrGold786]

@@12Vencedor maybe hisense doesn't wanna mislead it's customers. Valerion may be quite a good projector but you underestimate the 15000:1 contrast ratio is just too much given current base tech in all below $5000 projectors. Have you tested this contrast ratio yourself? I bet not so take it with a grain of salt

[@12Vencedor]

@@MrGold786 its always confusing most normal light bulb projectors say 25.000 -1.500.000

[@stampede8681]

What screen will best suit this projector? Realistically, how big can you go?150inch?

[@JilesMcCoy]

You would use a long throw projection screen with this unit. It can handle 150” screens no problem. Don’t use an alr screen for a UST with this.

[@stampede8681]

Thanks I have paid the $50 for the early access already.

[@JilesMcCoy]

@@stampede8681 I think the stated max size is 200" for this unit.

[@mr.johnwick8565]

Wow awesome review thx👍👍 did you see any kind of Rainbow Effect? Lovely greetings

[@JilesMcCoy]

No, lack of banding was outstanding on the unit.

[@mr.johnwick8565]

@@JilesMcCoy great thank you

[@DLPHomeCinema]

Any calibrated measurments?

[@JilesMcCoy]

No. Literally no on that buys this projector will have it calibrated. Others have validated the claimed numbers so those are not in question. It does what it claims to do. My concern is what is the experience going to be like to the consumer that will buy this projector. This is a lifestyle projector so the built in apps, the speakers, etc etc are extremely important. When the Max comes out then we will start seeing more pressure on the established home theater brands. And this is just gen 1 of this line. The world is changing for projection just like it changed last year for Televisions, and this year for Kaleidescape and video processors.

[@bryanp4827]

Can't wait until they hit Australian stores!

[@gufiaito69able]

So the $50 deposit can be for the max ? That the ine i want​@JilesMcCoy

[@JilesMcCoy]

@@gufiaito69able Yes!

[@gufiaito69able]

I think the max one is the game cha her here ​@@JilesMcCoy

[@thet0ast3r]

What is it? DLP? LCD? what native resolution? .. so many questions.

[@JilesMcCoy]

Laser DLP 4k shifter.

[@thet0ast3r]

@@JilesMcCoy so its a 1080p projector, actually :/ pretty expensive

[@JilesMcCoy]

No, it’s 4k. It uses shift tech to achieve the 4k.

[@willramsey5255]

How do you get for 1300? When you click on kickstarter it shows 1499 for plus 2.

[@JilesMcCoy]

That was the price earlier. Not sure what all has changed since I released the video as far as pricing goes.

[@MrMadeinthe80s]

What chip are they using? Is this native 4k?

[@MrSummerknight]

It is shifting, but extremely good 🙂

[@MrMadeinthe80s]

@@MrSummerknight Was hoping someone else finally started doing Native 4k.

[@bryanp4827]

​@MrMadeinthe80s if you want native 4k in a dlp, then you'll have to buy a Barco

[@JilesMcCoy]

Hopefully that changes one of these days.

[@MrMadeinthe80s]

I have a JVC DLA. I just want some competition in the market already. Epson keeps letting me down.

[@jj-lq2qj]

How long laser last

[@JilesMcCoy]

That I don't know.

[@donjaun540]

I have to ask ❓ How does it compare with AWOL ❓🤔

[@cordcuttercam]

This is the sister company of AWOL

[@JilesMcCoy]

This is the long throw arm of awol. So it compares well!

[@donjaun540]

@@JilesMcCoy I might add way cheaper than any AWOL I've seen too.

[@donjaun540]

@@JilesMcCoy Did you have a chance to consider the question, can you put it off center of the screen and will it adjust itself to fit and have the best picture it can ❓🤔

[@JilesMcCoy]

@@donjaun540 Yes, I did try it off center and it will automatically adjust. There are limits to how far off you can be. You can also do a manual adjustment too if you need.

[@77Plata]

Optical IN?? Doesn't make sense to me. You'd probably want to get audio OUT from the integrated Google TV / Android OS. Do I get it wrong?

[@JilesMcCoy]

I am sure someone will use it for something.

[@MrRichardyc]

just found out these are DLP projectors, seems like none of these so called reviewers want to mention that. What are they trying to hide? Does it use a color wheel like from yrs ago, does it still have the rainbow effect, if so, how bad is it?

[@JilesMcCoy]

It’s trip laser DLP. That’s not hidden info. I don’t see any banding in my unit. Just check out the review.

[@MrRichardyc]

@@JilesMcCoy if you goto their kickstarter page and do a search on dlp, nothing, zero, unless my search is broken. like they don't want you to know it's dlp, you would think they should mention that for transparency.

[@DerekBove]

HDMI 2.1 and 4k/120?

[@JilesMcCoy]

It says 4k 144 but I didnt test it.

[@lo_fye]

I don't get why all of these projectors even run an OS at all. The higher end ones don't, because bringing your own upgradeable Fire Stick or Apple TV is better. Bringing your own streamer prevents your projector from needing to be upgraded any time soon. If it's built-in, then as the OS keeps getting upgraded, it gradually makes the projector perform slower and slower, and you can't upgrade the projector's CPU or RAM, so the experience just gets worse and worse. With no OS built-in, you just attach a new upgraded Fire stick or Apple TV and you're back at full speed.

[@JilesMcCoy]

Because this is an all in one lifestyle product. The OS is super important to the consumer in this segment. It’s the same as buying a dumb TV. No one wants that.

[@Victor-i4g4u]

I am waiting for max

[@JilesMcCoy]

Coming soon!

[@luckyone1413]

Kickstarter gets not even 50 $ from me. No one make sure your money is safe. And the normal price of this thing is a lot higher, so you have to buy a pig in a poke. This video was an advertisement, not a review. Are you kidding me.

[@JilesMcCoy]

Kick rocks.

[@bryanp4827]

​@JilesMcCoy I'll wait until they're in stores thanks

[@thet0ast3r]

yeah, u are right. This really really needs the 'advertisement' tag; as there are no technicalities whatsoever. "triple laser technology" but then on the website they show their contrast is only 15000:1? what? probably just a rebranded AWOL laser projector on the cheap.

[@DLPHomeCinema]

@@thet0ast3r lol 15000:1 dynamic contrast on a DLP projector, if true, is a market disrupting spec of epic proportions. The ground beneath the home theater community is literally shaking in anticipation of this being proved true.

[@brothamane8747]

@@DLPHomeCinema I agree dude must be out of his mind. My JVC RS420 has the same contrast specs so for a DLP projector to have this type of contrast is ground breaking indeed! If these projectors live up to the specs and hype, they will surely disrupt the projector market it a good way.

[@janmaycuts]

were are you from bro ... google tv , google tv . its not big thing anymore . all lifestyle projectors recently have google tv . yehh,, just one thing that it claims might be different is native contrat thats 4000:1. if thats true . rest all is usual stuff

[@JilesMcCoy]

I’m from the USA. You?

[@Thedestroyer-wb5xl]

5 minutes into the video no specs on the lumens or the contrast...red flag for me

[@JilesMcCoy]

OMG, red flags :) Keep watching :)

[@Thedestroyer-wb5xl]

@@JilesMcCoy I did keep watching, The contrast on that projector is a joke...

[@bingdong8571]

ad said "for all those who hate god skip this video". I sure hope u dont get to pick those.

[@JilesMcCoy]

Not sure exactly what you are talking about or who you are talking to…

[@bingdong8571]

it was an ad that played in middle of ur video. I know u dont pick ads i just had to comment on it because it was so evil and disturbing. Cant believe utube allowed it.

[@shteud01]

Somehow it feels like a scam of some kind. It's to much valerion everywhere. On YT, Reddit is all just talking about how superior it is. Feel a bit suspicious.

[@JilesMcCoy]

Suspicious how?

[@shteud01]

@@JilesMcCoy Too much hype.

[@JilesMcCoy]

@@shteud01 I think there is way less hype for this than you see for most any other electronics. TVs, iPhones, game systems, etc. You are just noticing this more than other items.

[@shteud01]

​@@JilesMcCoy I can't entirely agree. I don't have any issues with your video. But Valeron PJ promotion is pretty aggressive. A lot of YT videos (I am not active on other social so IDK what's happening there), on Reddit very often at PJ topics someone comes and tells you to order Valeron PJ (which isn't out yet, only seen as engineer samples). The product is kick-starter (from AWOL creators if I am not wrong) and we have seen a lot of flops before. We saw aggressive marketing and not a very good outcome at the end. So this is why I have a light feeling of suspicious :) I've been actively watching the electronics market for more than 25 years and have witnessed many funny things happening :) But I don't say this is scam or sth like this. Just as a result, it may be not the product we have been promised. Anyway, I wish Valeron only success. We all win from this :))) ps. hehe I'm not even in the market for lifestyle PJs :) The long throw is lethargic now. pps. since we speak want to thank you for your work, I came here for SUBs reviews some time ago. And find some useful info.

[@mauriciob8260]

you are so cheap bro, you just delete my comment about no returning of the paid your made for this projector if the goal doesn't achieve on Kickstarter

[@JilesMcCoy]

We all know how kickstarter works...

[@mikerivers7559]

I have a $169 projector with BT, auto keystone, auto focus, and zoom in/out capability. There's no excuse for a $1300 projector not have these as well.

[@JilesMcCoy]

I am sure that projector is just awesome.

[@ranman7729]

Okay this is an absolutely great video but where in the world can I find this thing? It is not on Amazon. I looked it up on Google. No one seems to have it so if you could please with a cherry on top where did you get this and how can I get one?

[@JilesMcCoy]

The details are on the Valerion site! Check it out!

[@kenr4540]

Very Nice Video Jiles! 1. How does the Valerion Visionmaster Plus2 look compared to the Sony VPL-XW5000ES and does it come close in Picture Quality? 2. How does the Valerion Visionmaster Plus2 look compared to the JVC NZ7 and does it come close in Picture Quality? Or will it only compete with the JVC-NP5?

[@JilesMcCoy]

This model wont be knocking those two off their perches. Although I am very curious to see what the Max will be able to do. At many thousands less than those this unit does make a compelling case to not spend the extra $7500 bucks though (for the NZ7).

[@kenr4540]

@@JilesMcCoy Thanks for replying back quickly! I am also hoping that the New Max Projector will be able to come close to the new JVC NZ700 and beat the JVC NZ500 projector in Picture Quality!