King’s Guard SHOUTS In Her Face ! But she doesn’t seem to CARE, still LAUGHING. (The King’s Guard)

[@dbn52]

THAT women didn't understand or care what she did wrong. To her that serving member of the British Military is just a prop for her vacation photo.. Elbow her hard and yell and move them if they don't move.. Her behavior was aweful.

[@charliekane135]

She laughed

[@dianapeek6936]

@@charliekane135 and then put her thumb up when she walked across to her colleagues. Its become a game, grabbing hold of the reins and then leaning against the foot Guards. Sad to say, some of the nationalities are worse than others and certainly less respectful.

[@dougscrivens4002]

Cupid stunts, as Kenny Everett would have said. Surely something should be done to stop this awful behaviour by tourists.

[@veronicacrabtreehill6608]

​@@charliekane135 I know. Was it ignorance or embarrassment. Most likely the latter.

[@veronicacrabtreehill6608]

​@@dougscrivens4002 I had forgotten that phrase. 😂😂

[@charliekane135]

I literally cannot suffer the general public any more

[@veronicacrabtreehill6608]

You are me both (as they say.) There should be a fine for ignorant people like these. After all, they are on camera and have no excuse. These men are on duty and working.

[@catherinewilliams3850]

@@veronicacrabtreehill6608 I agree, no manners, no respect, no consideration for others, wish I had a time machine,I don't like this modern society.

[@simona6909]

I second that emotion

[@charliekane135]

@@simona6909 Thanks Smokey 😉

[@TheresaPowers]

You could be one of them.

[@mornington2427]

Seems to me these "tourists" are getting more and more disrespectful its like they are saying "what ya gonna do" , but honestly there needs to be some plan on how to handle the situation other than shouts that get ignored. The guards self control and discipline is second to none.

[@jeanettelister5835]

Charles you're getting GREEDY

[@SMariaKS]

@@jeanettelister5835 Nonsense.

[@fionathomson4436]

People are becoming more brazen,it's sad because those people who respect the 💂‍♀️ 💂‍♂️ their experience is ruined

[@sandramurphy1164]

I have a solution. Remove the guards swords, they serve no purpose. Replace with cattle prods, with a decent voltage. Guards to use at their discretion. See how many idiot tourists challenge the prod. Put up a warning notice of course.

[@mornington2427]

@@sandramurphy1164 haha I like it , I have thought it would be a learning experience to put someone in the tourist mass who touches them, takes their photo and laughs in their face when they object. BTW let me operate the cattle prod (just occasionally). But, No, its not right that these servicemen and their horses are so disrespected.

[@sheilamorrell6329]

This tourist problem at Horse Guards is now out of control. If there's so many rude people now, what will it be like next week. My other great concern is for the safety of these troops. They are active service personnel not Disney characters. The area should be closed down to the public because the public are abusing the guards

[@dianapeek6936]

I'm not sure what the situation will be as there so many rehearsals and then Coronation day itself.

[@Silvamanu-lc2mi]

Et personne ne fait rien c,est çà aussi la interdiction de toucher les cheveux et de ce approcher et du respect total aux gardes et une grosse amende pour tous ceux qui ne respectent pas les consignes

[@lorienray6216]

I agree, when people inquire as to why closure, be honest that people are rude, disrespectful, cross boundaries. Maybe add a big ticket to them that has to be paid in 48 hours. Generates revenue and those that break the law are the ones punished, not the other tourists that stay in their own lane

[@elenitacalamasa3775]

Look

[@Liverpoolboy01]

Keep them inside. The armed police are in there anyway Zzzz

[@shecksthesheckler423]

I was at the Tower of London last year and was chatting to the beefeaters, I asked what’s the worst bit about the job, the public was the response.

[@finjay21fj]

Heehee yX-D!! That's sounds very appropriate 🏆❤️🥇

[@brentsummers7377]

Yes, but at the Tower of London anyone can be kicked out for bad behaviour.

[@maryengels1828]

These men have the patience of a Saint. I don't think I could put up with people being so rude and obnoxious to me when on duty.

[@eleanorharvey7798]

THINGS HAVE TO CHANGE FOR THESE YOUNG GUARDS!!!

[@laverite6427]

@eleanorharvey7798, yes, they should be better educated and not bloody arrogant.

[@judithryle2113]

What did he say

[@dickdastardly5534]

Do you mean like changing of the guard🤔

[@evangiles4403]

Sadly it won't the only way that will change is if the current monarch decides to change it however it is called punishment parade for a reason Over a century ago Queen Victoria found a troop of her guards drunk on duty and this is the punishment she meted out to them

[@dianapeek6936]

You can see in advance those repulsive tourists who set out to do something they know in advance is wrong. As to one soldier speaking to another, its between themselves and not for us to surmise.

[@kirkshar]

I love watching the people who pose like they're models. Funny looking next to real class...the guards.

[@laverite6427]

Ha ha ha real class? they are not well educated when they shout even to old people.

[@shootmcrunfast]

@@laverite6427 Get over yourself dear. The people should well know what to expect. As for education, these are serving members of the British armed forces, education starts on their first day of service and doesn't really ever stop.

[@hazel1605]

I agree wholeheartedly

[@kt1pl2]

Old people should know better. @@laverite6427

[@pwc1141]

Thing is, in many countries where these people come from they would be locked up for disrespecting a soldier on guard duty.

[@dianapeek6936]

Where I live they would probably be shot or thrown into prison and the key thrown away. Hence, it would NEVER EVER happen.

[@dianealden9293]

Whatever happened to civility and common courtesy?? Its been replaced by barbaric and brutish behavior in young qnd old alike. Its as if a sense of entitlement replaced everything else.

[@johnhiscott-walsh5198]

👍

[@catherinewilliams3850]

Yes very sad, it's not the way I was raised.

[@Kimifer15]

I think tourists think they are actors for their amusement

[@rosalind1750]

Respect is so vital to a successful civilization.

[@essiefowler9775]

Some of these people are just ignorant to the core

[@TracyAdams-ry2fc]

More like disrespectful

[@kimmcdermott2]

He's not standing there just for people to lean on!

[@sandrawells7665]

It's a sign of the times sadley this younger generation don't know about respect.

[@veronicacrabtreehill6608]

I am 85 and I am happy to say, my days on this earth are nearing their end. What it will be like for my great- grandchildren I fear to think.

[@SilentBeaver]

@@veronicacrabtreehill6608 yeah i'm worried about it too. also, have a good time up in heaven for me. while, i do belong in this generation (UNFORTUNATELY), i absolutely despise it. it's disgusting.

[@faragraf9380]

30 years ago there were nobody so near to them. I self was there, we all had respect. But because of all this movies, people think, they are in a Hollywood film. In some reason its true.

[@catherinewilliams3850]

There are a lot of older ones there just as bad.

[@ps-yk8su]

She's not young boomer

[@brendasixtus7778]

The idiots that are reprimanded should be escorted out off the property by the Police.

[@catherinewilliams3850]

Yes with a cattle prod, if they behaved like that in their own countries they'd be locked up or dead.

[@johannsvensen8834]

Escorted off of the property head first. If there are any closed doors or gates along the way, open them with the escorted's head.

[@luziaferreira8713]

Gostei!😂😂

[@clapoutloudclapoutloud]

Much respect to the guards, for their professionalism, in dealing with people who lack boundaries

[@elisabethj.v.beardsell9853]

Tourists wandering aimlessly not really interested at all😮 kudos to the kings guards BIG TIME. Hoping you are well “ someone” xx

[@garnetj69]

I truly don't understand people who feel they are entitled to lay their hands on another human being without their permission. I really don't understand people who feel it's okay to do so when that other human being is a working soldier, one of the Kings guards. 😂 this is why I stick with a few good friends and my amazing daughters. Many blessings to all from Canada 🇨🇦

[@karenstafford724]

How rude some people are. They are disgusting.

[@careytitan9097]

Disrespected by the immigrants and by tourists, why do the guards even bother? My great grandad was a queens guard, after he fought in the first world war. My great grandmother, his wife, died at 41, he was left to bring up 6 children on his own, while he served as a queens guard. The older ones bought up the younger ones while he served in London. He did buy a projector which all the children in his home town watched using a white bed sheet as a screen. He bought them all suck (sweets) when he was home, as many neighbouring children were poor in his home town.

[@User-jr7vf]

I don't want to be disrespectful to your grandfather and to the other guards, but frankly, the queens guard seem to have become more of a tourist attraction; in this video you can see a soldier that approaches him and tells him something; that soldier is apparently totally able to fight in case of need, quite the opposite of the other queens guard in that fancy uniform and with sword; they may have been actual guards in the past, but matured into a tourist attraction because everybody knows this gives a good amount of cash to the Royal family.

[@carolineberry3169]

It is about time that the areas that the guards stand should be chained off in a way that people can take photos but not harass them. Same should apply to the soldiers on horseback.

[@SadieMy]

They are serving soldiers on guard. You cannot have any kind of barrier in front of them in case they need ride out forward to stop a problem.

[@sandrajohnson6810]

The one ignorant tourist just spoiled the photo opportunity for the rest of the tourists. The guard now went inside where he couldn't be so disrespected.

[@dianapeek6936]

She was thrilled by his response, trotted over to her colleagues, grinning like a congenital idiot and gave a thumbs up. It become a game they all want to play these days. Plus getting on KZbin of course.

[@eggy4152]

All the guards are under a lot of stress leading up to KC3 CORONATION next week, and on top of that , they have idiots ,taking photos and think they can touch the guards and horses, not only are they standing and working but they also rehearsals for the CORONATION next week. 💕🇦🇺

[@veronicacrabtreehill6608]

When they are outside on horseback; as is tradition; they are on duty. They turn their heads from side to side watching out for anything untowards happening. How can they when their attention is taken away with these numpties acting the way they do. Grrrr.. it makes my blood boil.

[@buildwalls2001]

What is the expression? “It’s humanity I love, and people I hate”!

[@mj24672]

The guards need to be behind some sort of barrier to keep tourists from getting too close.

[@sandrajohn9837]

It's the tourists that need to behind a barrier and they should be stopped from tormenting the horses too.

[@cathynewyork7918]

@@sandrajohn9837 I agree with you! The tourists should be behind barriers, NOT the guards as the other person suggested. The guards act classy - the tourists don't. It's so sad that common civility is just gone away. It is so sad that a centuries-old British tradition might have to be curtailed or locked up just because people no longer have standards of proper behavior.

[@sandrajohn9837]

@@cathynewyork7918 Sad indeed. Tourism is definitely a mixed blessing.

[@cathynewyork7918]

@@sandrajohn9837 Well said, that tourism is a mixed blessing. Tourism does bring a lot of money into the economy of our own hometowns and countries, and lots of good public relations -- but people who work in hotels and restaurants and amusement parks and places like this, the King's Guards, so suffer so much disrespect. I live in New York City, where we also have hordes of tourists, many of whom are rude [but some are nice].

[@sandrajohn9837]

@@cathynewyork7918 You are right. It's not really tourism that's the issue it's the lack of awareness and poor manners displayed by so many people - and the entitlement. Of course it's the worst cases that tend to be reported, so maybe things aren't always as bad as they seem - I hope.

[@andreaaguirre8506]

Je suis toujours stupéfaite de voir les vidéos de personnes tellement mal élevées, qui se croient tout permis et se collent aux gardes comme si c’était une statue ; chapeau pour le self-control de ces professionnels ! Personnellement, j’aurais envie de gifler ces malotrus.

[@anndonnelly-cq4lg]

Tres bien

[@kimmcdermott2]

Me too!

[@thaobenn6339]

@Andrea Aguirre Je suis complètement d'accord avec vous. Je vous remercie pour votre commentaire, Madame.🇬🇧👏👏👏👍👍👍

[@azaradog1804]

That'd make for good viewing! I think the ones that go too far want to make it onto sites like this. It's about ego, entitlement and a good dash of ' you soft english'. I bet many wouldn't dare act like this to their own countries' military.

[@veronicacrabtreehill6608]

Merci. So would we.

[@maryannemorey1689]

Some people are so narcissistic they just don't feel the rules apply to them...

[@eveb446]

Well done guard.

[@nielsjunker1487]

People are to close to the guard 😡 and have no respect for them 😢 the guard is doing a great job so give them respect! 🇬🇧🇩🇰

[@SebastianTombs]

I appreciate that it would take forever to get the polish back up to standard, but I think the occasional sabre-ing of idiots would make it worth the effort.

[@veronicacrabtreehill6608]

Henry the Eighth had the right idea of how to control people.😂😂

[@catherinewilliams3850]

Oh yes, cleaning the gene pool 😆

[@Rob-yu1lw]

Tourists seem to lose the ability to read important signs regarding the hotses. They aren't pets!!!!!!

[@jannachristie5111]

Unbelievable! These public just don’t get it, the Royal kings guards and horses have a routine they go through just as the Army. Respect!

[@evangiles4403]

Thats because they are still part of the army - I don't mean to state the obvious

[@siewlan9008]

There is a Chinese saying, "You give them an inch, they will demand a foot." You didn't draw the line on the sand. They will eventually step over the boundaries.

[@madabbafan]

Give them an inch, and they'll take a foot. Much more than that and you don't have a leg to stand on

[@demi3115]

They had inches in China? Big doubt.

[@lizmacleod8903]

The woman mentioned and several before her seem to make fun of the guard. For me this is jealously, no mistake, just trying to rubbish the British people and our culture.

[@mmmmmaaaaaaaaa560]

Imagine if we behaved like that in their country? We are too soft here . Awful tourists shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near!

[@KitKat24531]

We Europeans are a proud people, show respect!!

[@SharonYingling]

Wouldn’t you love to go to their country & disrespect their military? Most countries wouldn’t allow you to get near their military. Seems to me the UK isn’t taking care of theirs. This needs to stop. It’s shameful.

[@angeladennison412]

The soldiers put their lives on the line for this country. Is it too much to ask for the government, the king anybody in this country with some power should be able to deal with this stop it it’s embarrassing. Other countries must be laughing at us we should not tolerate disrespect to the men that protect us.

[@MultiDianeD]

It is disgusting! They have to put a stop to it!

[@MariaTeresa-vf7lp]

Ma queste povere guardie sono senza pace ...i turisti danno il tormento !

[@Tigers_and_Tarot]

It's not an amusement park. These soldiers aren't in costume. They are protecting the royals and their home. So don't be disrespectful. It's not your house.

[@laurahuskey4690]

Look where she’s from! That explains the rudeness.

[@SharonD369]

God bless the Kings Guard 👌

[@bernadetteelliott7511]

Its time to stop the freedom they seem to own...the respect has been belittled just for tourism..

[@heidibrinkhoff6943]

I can only imagine how hé must feel. Hé is not there to entertain the tourists....hé is doing his job....shameless how People tend to stand in their personal space

[@paulbeardmore9385]

the odd foot stamped on a tourist toe or the odd hoof hitting a toe wouldnt go amiss

[@davidleake6491]

The guards come out to meet themselves visible so people can have a photo why are there so many idiots the spoil it for everybody seems to me women are the worst I think they can do anything then run away giggling ladies get a grip

[@trustmemysonisadoctor8479]

The Kings Guards are working military, they come out to do their rounds, they are not there for photos with tourists.

[@daphnethurlow5388]

They do not stand there- or anywhere -JUST for tourists to take pictures!!! They are sentry posts whether there are tourists about or not. The Household Cavalry are part of the British Army and the soldiers are in active service all over the world ..

[@dianapeek6936]

I totally agree, those squeeky, giggly Asian girls really are very silly aren't they.

[@sandrajohn9837]

I hate to say it but that's what I see too. It's time some people learned the meaning of, 'consequences'..

[@geniawheddon7402]

So many people have become louts.. aimlessly walking about, gawking, not understanding anything. The Masses are not attractive, not downtrodden, rather aimless

[@dianapeek6936]

I agree with your Not Understanding At All. There are notices posted all over the place about a Guards Museum. I wonder just what percentage of 1% actually visit the Museum?

[@sandrajohn9837]

Not downtrodden enough. No discipline, no understanding, no gratitude and no respect.

[@lauriemapplebeck1286]

How would these people like it if someone came to their job and disrespect them!

[@sandrocolomba1944]

Qui si vede la "maleducazione"dei turisti!!(come in tantissimi altri video!!) Questa GUARDIA REALE. STA SVOLGENDO LA SUA MANSIONE..e.. non trovo giusto !che venga trattato così per il divertimento di certi turisti !!!semplicemente DEPLOREVOLE!!!(CI VUOLE RISPETTO!!)...

[@davidrobinson8337]

Well done trooper.

[@dorismay8383]

Grabe si pinay. humawak pa talaga sa guard. balewala lang kahit sinigawan ng guard nakatawa pa basta makuhaan lang ng picture.😳 Sabi niya : nakuhaan ako ha? Sabi ng batang pinay: tita humawak ka kasi😆😳 😆 hay naku,pinay nagkakalat sa ibang bansa,pasaway.

[@ginettechiverton7113]

I believe that silly woman touched the Soldier.

[@SN-zb7ew]

Why do they even go there when all they’re gonna do is be so disrespectful to the guards that are only doing their job.

[@richardscally694]

I find it alarming that we are allowing the general and moronic public to have such close access to these soldiers in today's society.

[@RadagonTheRed]

In the words of the great Alan Partridge - “I just … hate the general public”.

[@samhunt9380]

Can't get much more ignorant that that excuse for a woman....the patience of those young guards is amazing.....

[@Deborah4Antiques]

I still feel sad, the idea of Queen Elizabeth being gone.😔

[@dianapeek6936]

We have been saying the same things for years now and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE, nor will it. I have been watching for a few months, then I stop for six months, hoping when I switch on again there will be an improvement . Whilst those of you around the world continually admire the wonders of the guards and horses (which of course we all do) nothing will happen. The moronic tourists will continue to become more rude, ignorant, selfish and stupid, as shown by the woman next to the guard, who clearly set out to do what she did, nothhing will change. So here I am on the last day of 2023 just as despondent about the situation as I did on the first day of 2023.

[@adamleewicks8529]

Just subbed keep up great work

[@charliekane135]

Thick. Don't even thank him for the photo opportunity

[@LifeChanges41595]

I definitely don't blame the guard for leaving that post, and going where they can't get near him. People are such idiots, maybe if they read the information about the guards maybe they would behavior themselves better, or not.

[@saracheesman3627]

There seems to be no understanding what these guards are doing, treat them like waxworks for their entertainment and the disrespect is beyond awful.

[@natonatter]

What the disrespectful pack is doing to the Guards is absolutely unbearable. They don't even keep their distance from the intimate zone!

[@dabber1]

So many of the people are disgusting and rude. The soldiers show great self-control and restraint. The system here is flawed. There should be a barrier between them and the public and/or there should be other military or police that strongly enforce and control these idiots. The situation with these same people with the mounted soldiers and their horses is even worse. Even the signage is inadequate saying "careful, horses may bite".... something a lot stronger is required.

[@doreathasmithalbright7476]

"KAREN". Period ! 😳😘

[@MrJohnthefarmer]

I would not be so interested in getting a picture with them as I would like to buy them a pint and listen to them talk about all the morons they have had to deal with.

[@catherinewilliams3850]

Yes👍

[@prissilou]

Again, I say, this kind of disrespect would not be tolerated at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in the DC area of the US. I think the tourists are allowed to get too close to the King's Guards and their horses. These guards need to be shown more respect.

[@Moosiepoohkitty1]

Has anyone noticed that it's always asians that cross the boundaries of courtesy and respect??????

[@sarapiburn2523]

Oh come on! Let’s nice!🙄🙄🙄

[@charlottecunningham2141]

Nope. All races have been disrespectful

[@susanneedham6266]

Public should not be allowed to get so close. For soldiers protection

[@pauld677j9]

I think it's transmitted through tourist the lack of respect the world has for this country .

[@aemiliadelroba4022]

These “ tourists “ are from what planet ! So disrespectful! 😮😮😮

[@June-ElizabethTromans-yx7ex]

Something needs to be done, she should be charged with assault, if someone came up and touched her, she csnt do it in her country dont do it here

[@magaliefranco5990]

Comment peut on être aussi irrespectueux ça me dépasse.les gardes sont des humains on ne les touchent pas et puis se sont des soldats pas des potiches.ces hommes et ces femmes ont une sacrée patience bravo ❤️ ❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@carolynpagano659]

a poke of the sword will do it

[@markw1413]

There appears to be a tawdry souvenirs stall too. It's all silly

[@viviansdoey5077]

IT '''SHOULD'' BE SICKENING TO BE RECOGNIZED AS A DISRESPECTFUL PERSON...BUT I HIGHLY DOUBT SOCIETY REALIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF THE JOB THE GUARDS DO NOR DO THEY CARE

[@sharonkaczorowski8690]

A substantial fine for such might be helpful.

[@renatocavallari4230]

Beautiful guard.❤❤❤❤😊

[@busybeedereon5443]

Smh the nerve of some ppl, man. Such total disrespect to the guards.

[@r.beerkens1935]

People don't know what NO means anymore.

[@aroundlondon11]

So disrespectful!£

[@v.britton4445]

I really agree with the comment below. I feel sickened by the selfish disrespectful idiots that often torment the guards.

[@abc-ym8nt]

When you just watch the video and watch the common people, you find out, that people are so disrespectful, they are acting silly, imitating the guards walking, making grimace in front of the guard, touch them, and they even make fun of the guard. Is so embarrassing to watch some of the people, especially people from the third world how they acting disrespectfully toward the Royal guards...

[@mmmoroi]

Cultural gap cannot serve as defence for justifying such insensitive and crude manner of the tourists. You cannot touch a stranger, let alone a King's guard on duty for a whim.

[@javoh-cq9fi]

Porque exibir a los soldados como en un zoologico ? Esos ingleses son unos loquillos 😂

[@ednasanmiguel3386]

Some of the most goofy foreigners/ visitors.

[@daphnethurlow5388]

And comments...

[@johannsvensen8834]

At this point, I wouldn't mind seeing a Guard actually use his or her sword in self-defense. Maybe set an example or two and they'd be respected once again.

[@silentauditor9513]

One day one of these guards will lose the plot and slice 12 tourists in half… dibs on the footage… ta!

[@will-i-am-not]

But no one takes the time to admire the stone work, which is really good

[@gallinazo29]

What makes people disrespect them is the crazy screaming. If they use a stern, clear and controlled voice people tend to take it as an order and not as a childish rant.

[@cheryletaimalie6012]

The guard's and horses need to be better protected from the tourists seriously before something happens to theses wonderful guard's and horses

[@emmatalmadge1473]

Rude and disrespectful

[@helgawittmann1527]

herrlich wenn die schreien,nur die lästigen Leute erschüttert das gar nich👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻😮😮😮😮

[@jaynesmalley9718]

Sorry to show my ignorance but I am genuinely mesmerised by these fine men and women and was wondering if someone could explain why the Guards march from place to place (I understand them being on duty in the arches) amongst so many people. I know there must be a reason and I am really interested in knowing. Thank you in advance.

[@jamielyallleathan]

Well, it won't be difficult to assimilate what drives these soldiers walking from one side to the other! Those on foot are on sentry duty to the various places in the palaces and castles where they provide services. Those on horseback also provide sentry services, but in this case in the entries. Those who come to the gate and talk to the soldiers who are mounted are those in charge! As the service lasts 2 hours, the soldiers need to move around!

[@jaynesmalley9718]

@@jamielyallleathan Thank you ever so much.

[@daphnethurlow5388]

The palace of Whitehall is considered the outer borders of Buckingham palace..and therefore they are guarding the King. Whitehall palace is not used as a royal residence any longer. But the soldiers still stand guard and the horses are used too..obviously.! The rear of the building is Troopjng the Colour takes place each year. The " Colour" is the flag of whichever Guard Regiment ( Foot guard) is chosen that year. The soldiers on horseback are the Household Cavalry. That's all my 'knowledge" for what it's worth!!!

[@Richard500]

@@daphnethurlow5388 I'm so glad you picked up these points Daphne. I think great use of Yeoman Warders would be one means of "managing" the tourists and explaining the details of what's going on.

[@jamielyallleathan]

@@jaynesmalley9718 Glad to have been helpful, I imagine you're not British, but if you ever get to visit the UK, come and visit Scotland where you'll have the opportunity to see a vast number of happenings that make us proud!

[@vanya3393]

time to use those swords!

[@zhijiaqiu812]

Being woman does not mean you could touch anyone without being charged for harassment. Plus maintaining personal boundary is a general social rule in the public area.

[@hansonel]

This areas should be closed to the public IMO. The Kings Guard aren't costumed characters at Disneyland or something... This is unnecessary and unsafe for everyone.

[@andrewstackpool4911]

I wonder what would happen if former members of the services were there.