KING vs. KATAKURI: Who WINS!?

We bring up the versus question of if Katakuri is stronger than King due to them both performing and what they have in their arsenal. What do you think?
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[@manuelogunleye4882]

King wins this battle high diff though. King durability is off the chart plus his kicks and punches are too hard and aggressive. Katakuri is strong and has a mastery of his fruit and Haki but I don’t see him bypassing King defense.

[@mahirsharma7789]

How will King counter Katakuri insane Future Sight , once King runs out of his Flames he is totally Vulnerable.

[@salehibrahim1434]

U know making fire for him is like breathing and most likely katakuri would run out of haki before kings flame end

[@mahirsharma7789]

@@salehibrahim1434 he won't run out of haki so early , he'll easily notice how to deal damage to that bird

[@DrArthurCGarp]

The thing is he doesn’t need to. Katakuri just can’t beat him lmao

[@duncan3998]

As if Future sight would be infinite...

[@zaik]

@@mahirsharma7789 katakurie fought luffy during hours, king vs zoro last something like few minutes XDDDDD And they talk about durability AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA Rtard

[@unstabl-3]

Kat buzzcut mochi was enough to pierce g4 luffy SM. King was out of his tank form when he got slashed.

[@dilll3066]

If Katakuri can use advanced conquerors then he wins hands down, but he cant. Having conquerors means nothing if its not advanced. The only time Zoro could actually do something was when Enma pulled out his conquerors haki.

[@braylon6749]

You can't just give him advanced conquerors when he isn't a confirmed user of it.

[@dilll3066]

@@braylon6749 but i didnt tho. I said IF he can use it then he is the obv winner but he has not shown it.

[@Cormie-wu1oh]

@@dilll3066 how does he win with advance conquerors hands down

[@YumYumFruit]

You need to rewatch whole cake and re read cause everything you just said is wrong.

[@duncan3998]

Another thing to remember is that Haki slowly drains your energy...rendering Katakuri on thin-ice.

[@supergamerguy64]

I'd give it to Katakuri, but it's by no means gonna be quick either way. This is a matchup i'm going to refer to as "Dodge Tank, vs Block Tank". So while King can take a lot of hits, King is going to struggle to ever hit Katakuri. So on both ends, landing damage worthy of beating the other is going to take a long time. I just respect dodge tanking more than block tanking. No matter how well you block, you're still taking chip damage. Dodging an attack fully negates the damage. IF you never get hit, your opponent could have infinite attack and it simply doesn't matter.

[@Jardeaniel13]

kaido speed blitz luffy who has future sight zoro blitz kaido and king is faster than zoro

[@fcknslaughter1260]

@@Jardeaniel13 interesting concept. but unlike luffy, Katakuris observation haki is damn near always active. he's a natural at it.

[@supergamerguy64]

@@Jardeaniel13 I suspend my disbelief of how often/well main characters use a hax ability like Future Sight. Let's be honest, if Luffy truly has future sight; nothing should ever hit him. However he has been hit by, Ulti, Apoo & other random fodder. The same is obviously true of Kaido. Frankly speaking I felt like Kaido didn't have observation at all, until 1042. The dude just let everything hit him, because he simply doesn't care.

[@yrnxkj7607]

@@Jardeaniel13 did Zoro really blitz kaido. Kaido really wasn’t dodging and was just tanking a lot of their attacks.

[@imafkingbeastandrewtateise9563]

Dude if luffy beat katakuri how the hell could king not beat katakuri.

[@BDDterror]

People missing that evading is the best defensive stat

[@nottuhs5192]

I feel like y’all ain’t taking everything into consideration. To scale King you’d likely need to bring up Zoro’s own feats. Like how Zoro’s dragon twister was harming Kaido’s dragon form *(likely his most durable form because it’s covered in scales)* and yet it did literally nothing to King. Also take into consideration scaling Wano characters overall, frankly speaking Wano are way more powerful than Whole Cake characters. The same Luffy that done boxed up Katakuri who mind you was genuinely serious, got humbled by Queen of all people. This is base Luffy btw, even that Luffy was able to damage Katakuri. More things to take in mind is that Zoro in Wano is leagues above the Luffy who fought Katakuri, I mean leagues above, even if I don’t count Ashura, Zoro is still eagles above that of Luffy in Whole Cake Island. For the question of if King’s speed can outclass Katakuri’s future sight, for sure. Taking into considering Wano scaling it’s safe to assume that King using Lunarian abilities are faster than that of Katakuri’s reaction speed. Boi was blinking in and out of Zoro’s own perception, not Sanji levels of blinking in and out obviously but enough to show that King was probably one of the fastest characters in One Piece.

[@nicolasa4life]

People don’t want to look into that they just want kat to win

[@travisealy3512]

Zoro dodged king without fs so king isn’t even that fast. Also once zoro got acoc the fight was over in 5 pages. Once zoro figured him out easy work. Kat has ryou and he doesn’t need to beat king like zoro. He can beat him with 100 punches, 200 or even 1000. His stamina is elite.

[@Israel-ng4ve]

​@@travisealy3512 kat doesnt have ryou, he has strong armament mixed with his devil fruit ability

[@Leeacademy2024]

oda does not scale like this. Kat did x to luffy who did x to queen etc... oda will always scale with portrayal and narrative over feats. Using ur logic i could make an argument that ulti washes kat off "wano feats vs wci feats". Do u really think it makes narrative sense taht ulti who is not even the strongest tobiroppo member to be stornger than a right hand man of another yonko crew? no it makes no fuking sense but using ur "scaling" it does because ulti did better against ryou luffy than kat did but i can guarantee u that if kat fought ulti oda would write it so that kat would win and u know this.... using these arguments to say that queen and king are over kat when that completly undermines the entire power structure that oda created is just nonsense and wouldnt make for a good story

[@user-ib9lr7ce9h]

Good thing they have caps cause they’re caping hard af 🤦🏾‍♂️😂

[@datguytay_]

IMO. I think Katakuri takes the dub cause he has the battle iq. Like if Oda put Luffy v Kat no interruptions or plot. That’s a dub. Other than a few hits by Marco, king was coolin while Zoro was up top fight his boss for a lil. So idk I think Kat wins high diff. Cause kings durability is still top tier.

[@zaik]

What kind of durability are u talking about ????? He last something like few minutes agaisnt zoro when katakurie fought luffy during 10 hours non stop, what durability are u talking about ?

[@MoonViewJayGaming]

If King can never get hit and just keeps unleashing flames across the battlefield then yes Katakuri would dodge all of it for a long time, but eventually King’s durability in his natural DNA flames, should outlast the duration of Katakuri’s (haki) future sight. So I think it would be a very long battle, but if king doesn’t shut off his flame, he will not lose and eventually win. King possibly only turned off his flame for Zoro because Zoro had conquerers haki coating or just king of hell flames, which King must have felt could bypass his flames anyway. KAT doesn’t have that much power and pierce to make King worry about sacrificing his durability for his very fast downward attacks in his devil fruit form.

[@itachi_1724]

King lasted 15 minutes at best in fighting time Katakuri went 11 hours straight 8 hours in awakening 4 hours with an organ destroyed Katakuri is lasting way longer than King

[@jamisharrison8850]

Its katakuri hands down lmao 🤣

[@JuniorDube-fb8li]

How in order to hurt king you need advanced coc

[@DronkoDfish]

Keep dreaming

[@duncan3998]

Another Kat-meatrider...why am i not surprised

[@kinggreen1485]

@@duncan3998 You should be surprised since it seems everyone is King c0ck suckers in this community

[@2FINE4YOUBABYGIRL]

I could go either way, but I’m leaning towards Katakuri. I think King has way more durability and attack power and maybe even speed, but kat has higher battle IQ, more versatile devil fruit, conquerors and better observation.

[@pjqueen4651]

Katakuri slander is crazy Katakuri > King

[@kinggreen1485]

Fr bro The King meatriding is crazy

[@MoonViewJayGaming]

King would stand there and never take damage

[@kinggreen1485]

Kat would stand there and would never get hit

[@MoonViewJayGaming]

@@kinggreen1485 If King can never get hit and just keeps unleashing flames across the battlefield then yes Katakuri would dodge all of it for a long time, but eventually King’s durability in his natural DNA flames, should outlast the duration of Katakuri’s future sight. So I think it would be a very long battle, but if king doesn’t shut off his flame, he will not lose and eventually win. King possibly only turned off his flame for Zoro because Zoro had conquerers haki coating or just king of hell flames, which King must have felt could bypass his flames anyway. KAT doesn’t have that much power and pierce to make King worry about sacrificing his durability for his very fast downward attacks in his devil fruit form.

[@kinggreen1485]

@@MoonViewJayGaming Katakuri has a much better stamina, King will be the one who will get tired faster and lose. It will be a fight of stamina where King will lose. Katakuri can dodge, use his awakening for hours without getting tired. King was heavy breathing against Zoro in an approximately 15 minutes fight.

[@MoonViewJayGaming]

@@kinggreen1485 you’re not understanding that King’s flame powers are a natural part of his body. There’s been nothing to say he gets tired from using that. King getting tired against Zoro has nothing to do with his flames stamina. What KAT uses is devil fruit and haki which will both deplete faster (stamina wise) than King’s natural born flames. The more he dodged King’s flames, he is using haki and his devil fruit. Which king is not using any stamina unless he’s physically fighting you. He can shoot off fire effortlessly and tire him out without getting tired himself. Also at the end of the day I made an argument for why he would beat KAT, and you have no way to show how KAT would bypass King’s durability. He has no advanced conquerers haki so King will not be fazed by an advanced armament mochi attack from KAT, especially when Zoro clearly been hitting King with more attack power than KAT can hope to produce. You people overestimate KAT. If he’s so strong then why was he busy struggling against Sanji’s brothers when Kuzan and Van Augur showed up? The man was busy with lesser opponents while his brother Cracker was getting washed. KAT not being there because of Sanji’s brothers is an L.

[@zaik]

@@MoonViewJayGaming king last more like few minutes agaisnt zoro, katakurie fought luffy 10 hours non stop, what kind of durability are u talking about ????

[@gregoryhines869]

A big factor here is this: we didn't see either combatant at their fullest capabilities. Now, some of what I'm saying may be speculative, but hear me out as I think they make sense. For katakuri, we can all agree that to an extent, he let luffy win. Their battle was more a battle of wills than a battle of just battle prowess. Katakuri let luffy win because he respected him. In my opinion this is undeniable. King on the other hand, this is where it gets speculative. Not only is he durable because of his Racial advantages, but he's also an ancient Zoan. We've seen that he is basically indestructible with his flames on, and pretty much too fast for most people to catch with his flames on. With this combination, it's understandable why we didn't see him use Haki, but it was confirmed that he has at least both observation, and armament. He probably doesn't usually go against opponents who can even damage him, and has the highest tier of durability seen so far in the series. And on top of that, King talks about how he sees the inferiority of other racws compared to his as a reason that it's impossible for him to lose. Using this, we can infer that he's practically fighting purely based off of racial ability. So we haven't seen them really go all out imo

[@ursiskuma]

If you do not have future sight you do not beat Katakuri

[@Parvision-]

as absurd as it sounds. the way Katakuri's mochi fruit works. its broken. then you add Katakuri? broken. Katakuri fought at luffy's level and could have won, but he got curious about luffy and impressed. Katakuri > King

[@braylon6749]

Katakuri has nothing that can damage kings Lunarian + Ancient Zoan dinosaur durability

[@Jardeaniel13]

@@braylon6749 factual and king is faster than kaido and kaido speed blitz luffy who has future sight

[@okashira073]

@@braylon6749 and king has nothing to attack katakuri... FS & undeniably faster rewatch the snakeman vs katakuri his speed was one of the rarest up to this point and significantly surpasses king.. just because king becomes faster when the flames go off doesnt mean he becomes faster than katakuri just because it has some desired benefit behind the thought of the reader! speed mode king got succesfully attacked when zoro who's much slower than snakeman and katakuri im not saying katakuri will run circles but the gap is clear and enough for katakuri to handle him and mind you king's flame mode aint touching katakuri he needs speed do you understand that katakuri can create his donuts out of thin air send them to high distances? this means he is even more unpredicted and even when king goes speed mode his power mochi can be multiplied non stop from any angle and destroy any momentum king has and if king can get close to katakuri then he will easily dodge him!!!! 1 guy can fight at his best overall the other has to abandom his immense durability in order to gain massive speed which is still bellow to that of his opponent... then going to flame mode katakuri aint getting hit by that sure king can spam his flame but so can katakuri with the mochi flame will bypass the mochi depending on the amount of the mochi and then katakuri will have him on checkmate dodging him so 1 has to take the risk and its on king's hand to do so

[@ReturnOfGodEnel]

@@okashira073no

[@jq3510]

@@okashira073king has the highest level of durability up there with Kaido tho and without conquerors he’s not taking ANY damage if Katakuri doesn’t have conquerors. It’ll be close but King would win this battle out of durability, hell even Big Mom wanted him. One more thing, he is faster than Katakuri rematch the anime or read the manga goofy

[@theiriscen]

King definitely has awaken his df. Just that i suspect, the way zoan awaken their fruit has not yet been fully explained yet. If you think about it, chopper has been the first zoan awakening we have seen in the series, and think of the way he completely changes shape upon his awakening. So with that in mind, i think the unstated awakening of zoan is in a shapeshifting way. They can morph and change their bodies however they please. See how queen incorporated tech into his physiology ? And sasaki (the guy who fought franky in wano) had the ability to spin his horn-collar thing around his neck to help him fly ? How that giraffe CP9 could disarticulate his neck to attack zoro ? Even how luffy who is a zoan changes shape and form with all his gears including G5. And finally how king stretched his head-horn like a spring to strike zoro.

[@nobody42071]

Zoan awakening is simply. Oda explained it in Road To Laughtale. Basically, a Zoan user is awakened when he has a another form aside from the 3 ones

[@jq3510]

Nah I don’t think he awakened it but I do get what you mean.

[@zourzioussama2078]

Katakuri hands down

[@williamlaney7208]

If King had conquerors then ya but he doesnt and no future site and Katakuri is better with this DF then King is with his DF king just had flames idk man he didnt show enough

[@braylon6749]

When 1 dude said that Katakuri had advanced armament I knew this video was gonna make no sense, the moment he is referring to is luffy clashing fist with katakuri and luffy's fist hurting. This was because Katakuri simply had stronger armament haki at the time due to being able to use haki adeptly since he was a young teenager. You guys basically just gave him a form of durability negation that he does not have because you guys know that king is invincible unless you have a form of durability negation. Also Katakuri having conquerors haki means nothing in a fight if he cannot apply it to hit attacks like zoro, luffy, kaido, big mom, and yamato do. Also if King speed blitzed zoro, and zoro speed blitzed kaido in his hybrid form, then King is definitely faster than Katakuri unless you want to argue that katakuri is fast enough to speed blitz kaido which is just not true. You guys are looking at everything from a 1 way point of view, you see that katakuri has conquerors, an awakened devil fruit, and that he fought the mc and say that since his opponent has none of these qualities then katakuri automatically wins. Even though when you look at katakuri's haki and devil fruit, his awakening that lets him turn his surroundings into a grain substance, will do nothing against a character like King who will use magma to easily burn such grain substance. Also looking at both of their haki, Katakuri has conquerors yeah but he can't utilize it in the advanced form, meaning that it has no substance in a fight. Yes katakuri has strong armament but that means nothing against king who has been the target of an onslaught from zoro, who was confirmed to have stronger armament haki than luffy before he learned ryuo who's attacks did nothing even when used with his powerful armament. The only thing going for Katakuri is his advanced observation, but his haki would run out during their fight due to the fact that Katakuri wanted to go eat donuts and drink tea to replenish his haki, as he said he used too much by simply chasing luffy around the mirror world. Katakuri can't do shit to king under any circumstances. you need advanced armament haki or ryuo to damage King and Katakuri doesn't have either of those, and you can't just give them to him for convenience because that's not how these match ups work, that'd be like giving bardock super saiyan god if you match him up with beerus just so he can actually have a chance.

[@myleekb]

Katakuri clearly referenced armament having levels to it after using block Mochi. Even though the damage Luffy received was depicted in a comedic, gag-like way, Luffy was receiving more damage to his hands against Katakuris Block Mochi, even with Snakeman, than any other attack Katakuri used besides Zangiri Mochi. Oda was depicting Luffys hands in that way to imply that internal damage was being done. The signs are all there. He's just not a master of it.

[@okashira073]

imagine saying to people that they look from 1 perspective yet you wrote a novel which concludes with "katakuri not being able to damage king" and "king is faster that katakuri" yet ironically enough and just like any other random guy that cant powerscale he looks into the sides that benefit his argument... in order for king to have that massive durability and flame usage he needs to abandom his big speed but once the flames turn off then no flames no super durability and reduces to a super fast guy with inferior speed against katakuri! simple as that but you think he combines them or you forcing your thoughts into a non existant reality? he has 1 choice and then he has to rotate to the other form... sell elsewhere your agenda you said this speed blitz him who speed blitz him who speed blitz him etc.. FFS this couldnt be more teenage made!.!.! killer also speed blitzed kaido what does that make him an admiral? katakuri speed blitz fs luffy (partial usage but still existant) more times than science can count LOL he dodged snakeman on repeat a form that counters katakuri's biggest qualities and he still outspeed it multiple times after 12+hours being exhausted fatally wounded and at the very end out of his element you jump kaido into the argument yet the speed which kaido displayed in lower than katakuri's but not by much.. you said something about magma if you look close on the panel where zoro connects his final attack on king his flame was turned off so we can assume that excesive amounts of fire can limitate him somehow someway, king can spam fire here and there but mind you katakuri can spam awakening influencing much larger area than king's fire which means the fire wont just straight up burn the mochi at all times giving room for both combatants to make their moves whatever they may be... if a substance has enough mass then given the tempature of the flame it can stall it or even extinguish it at times! so king will need to keep using fire and katakuri can keep dodging and using awakening and we will have the stall of the century.. katakuri definitely does have a better armament otherwise king's armament would have been implied to be something similar as well block mochi adds more to haki not making advanced for sure but making it much much more effective plus adding it to awakened power mochi multiplied to big size and numbers + faster than king UNDENIABLY + Future sight..... most feats go katakuri and he doesnt need to change forms to take an advantage! sure king's tough wings can compensate for the lack of armament but the problem here is in order to use his wings offensively he has to got to speed mode a speed inferior to that of katakuri now katakuri can create his power mochi out of thin air and from many directions even if king is away katakuri can create multiple punches in front of him coated with block mochi will king dodge them? yes and no.. will he connect an attack to katakuri succesfully? yes 5% no 95% and im pretty leniet towards king here now about katakuri needing to restore his haki after a short no diff fight with the protagonist after the time skip! doesn king have haki as well? arent you being 1 sided? mentioning only what benefits your agenda without looking both perspectives yet you provoked people on your comment about the exact same thing and how people are one sided!!! no matter what the fight will be from high to extreme diff and katakuri has a legacy over being victories not only being undefeated but never falling once during a fight and the only person who managed to make him collapse wasnt luffy wasnt himself wasnt the bias of one sided randomers it was the narrator himself that made him so strong he basically made him surrender with a smile on his face

[@billysartori8023]

Who's wins Ceasar Clown vs Magellan 🤔

[@daynearmstrong]

In order to do this you have to cross scale. Kat fought Luffy and Zoro fought king. So we have to find someone who Luffy and Zoro fought. And we have kaido. Look what pre udon Luffy did to kaido, then look what Zoro did to kaido. This is the same Luffy that barely beat katakuri. Now look at what Zoro did. King is stronger by cross scaling. In simpler terms, the Luffy that beat katakuri got neg differed by kaido. And the Zoro that beat king was able to clash with and scar kaido. We can use that to say king is stronger.

[@maxhobangcolomba6552]

Katakuri. You guys are sleeping on Katakuri. King is normal without the ability with the fire, without it he really is beatable. Katakuri sees the future but lacks stamina, dude fought Luffy - Luffy has multiple transformations and Katakuri doesnt.

[@kinggreen1485]

Katakuri lacks stamina? Bro fought for 10 hours and didn't show any sign of being tired until he stabbed himself, and you say that King who got tired after fighting about 15 minutes got already extremely tired? King has a doggy stamina, not even comparable to Katakuri's. You're just a King fan 💀

[@maxhobangcolomba6552]

@@kinggreen1485 i dont think you read what I wrote properly.

[@kinggreen1485]

@@maxhobangcolomba6552 Yeah I see now lol sorry bro 😂 King lacks stamina, it's indeed correct. Kata wins high diff in my opinion

[@duncan3998]

@@kinggreen1485 your analysis sucks so bad. it's unbelievable...but then again, all Katakuri-fanboys are.

[@kinggreen1485]

@@duncan3998 Sure bro, all King fans are smart, well yeah smart at being delusional.

[@bharatkhatiwada5886]

king wins high diff

[@kingzeke9225]

Do u think sanji can beat all the toppi roppo

[@MrTezFOX]

I think Katakuri’s battle prowess allows him to beat king as well. King is very much a powerful opponent but Katakuri can match all of that and his haki is immensely powerful too. Just as Zoro who is incredibly dense figured out how and when he could strike King, Katakuri would be able to figure that out with his own battle IQ. A battle of attrition I believe only serves to allow time for Katakuri to understand King’s quirks and weaknesses.

[@Deadsticle]

Katakuri would glaze King's donut.

[@ThatOnePieceTalk]

Ayo lol

[@MrGoodman174]

Something u would do, no doubt.

[@Warlord-dc5un]

Here's the truth... King outright wins this mid diff, he fights rooftop Zoro who is relative to a much stronger Luffy than Wholecake. Katakuri couldn't put down a weaker Luffy that is both slower and less durable than King... Future sight doesn't matter that much because we literally see in the Kaido fight that if you're not fast enough to react it proves pointless, King was giving Zoro a tough time with that speed. Zoro is the same guy that shook Big mom to where she warned Kaido to dodge, then he left a scar on Hybrid Kaido. Katakuri isn't doing any of that, but King goes onto fight this Zoro who gets even stronger in the fight.

[@jager-hill]

Bro really said Marco trash

[@MrGoodman174]

That's a donkey, not a bro

[@niks660097]

There is not a single non-COC coating attack that's gonna even scratch king, katakuri's armanent haki trident is gonna shatter and won't even pierce king with flames on.

[@8TOMBSTONE]

Don't compare marco to king, lmao. Man caught king and queen by the neck with a dead eye. Don't get me wrong, I love king in wano arc, but don't disrespect marco.

[@relentlesshunter1394]

And king ofscreen marco after that

[@Packirup1234]

@@relentlesshunter1394 not just that Marco didn't injure king once

[@flashyboy7122]

I’m so sick of people calling plot on fights when the fight has nothing to do with the actual fight Luffy is basically what kat should be he was like Luffy he didn’t care what anyone thought or said he was a simple man and the fact that they fought in a mirror world adds more to it katakuri succumbed to Luffy their philosophies clashed not to mention Luffy was getting more powerful during that fight while this fight was mentally draining kat he’s not used to fighting people he can’t deal with quickly he said luffy dodging so many of his attacks was stressful and annoying katakuri wanted Luffy to beat him to show that he was right all those years ago to not care what people thinks to just live and to throw away the persona he built to protect his family like the warrior of liberation luffy liberated katakuri from that false persona he can finally return to being himself that’s what this was about it had nothing to do with the fight

[@LiamGleeson-ck1iy]

I love katakuri he is one.of my favourites but he is just not on kings level.

[@JRG333]

Ok so I think it is a good matchup , but as far as fighters go, Katakurri seems to be the favorite. It does leave a question outside the matchup, Katakurri has conquerors Haki. This gives him a huge advantage in the matchup, and it makes you wonder. If he let Luffy win, should he really have CQH ? Conquerors do not heed or back down, which Katakurri did demonstrate. But he also submitted at the end , so did he really let Luffy win? If so I feel like he shouldn't have had CQH.

[@justaguy5055]

so so so like king: has higher durabilty in my opinion slightly faster speed, ability to use flames a strong devil fruit, better armament haki and a pretty neat sword katakuri: better obsv and coc, more stamina, more creative use of df and his trump card is his future sight, and a pretty damn neat trident now in a battle the winner is usually decided by haki, df is not as significant as haki so since i said katakuri has better haki in 2 forms you would say he wins but listen in terms of coc haki katakuri cant actually use it in his move so he is left with those bursts which wont affect king so they each have one haki they are better at, in terms of devil fruit i think katakuri is slightly better with his df but king has higher speed and durability, once katakuri takes a big hit which he no doubt will by king of all people he starts going down bad speed is tthe counter to his future sight since if he cant react its no use so in combination with the flames, speed durability and everything i think that... King wins high diff this is coming from someone who likes katakuri more

[@coopermccollum4265]

kata only got hit by luffy when his concentration was knocked off or when king cobra was sped up to an insane amount i just don’t see king being that fast so idk if he can get a solid hit on kata before he runs out of stamina for his flames and kata is able to finish him with a big attack like buzz cut mochi

[@jager-hill]

Ur saying kings faster than katakuri tho and that’s not proven I’d say there around the same speed and taking katakuris future sight into account he’s definetly figuring out kings flame ability. I’d say katakuri has a higher iq. And his devil fruit is a lot better not a little bit better. Kings a dinosaur the most he gets out of his devil fruit is speed and durability. Katakuri can do whatever luffy can pretty much which is crazy amounts of versatile attacks. Kings getting overwhelmed by katakuri. U gotta remember zoro beat king after breaking most of his bones fighting kaido. And katakuri basically let luffy win. Big difference

[@okashira073]

its RIDICULOUS to say king is faster than katakuri the dude after 12 hours of fighting having been stabbed (by himself) which was a greavious wound dodged black mamba infinite times this G4 mode makes FS useless if the user isnt immensly fast, the guy was so fast we had to get a slowed down blue screen emphasizing his speed and haki... his speed throught the whole fight has been much more highlighted than king's even if you look the manga luffy getting speed blitzed twice from a guy that got nerfed by the narrator since he didnt use his awakening vs snakeman mind you the attack speed of this form is unparalleled by anything we ve seen so far other than maybe kizaru's sacret jewel attack on marineford luffy during the snakeman activation was getting speed blitz in close range after aquering FS without katakuri using awakening AT ALL it was just pure close combat skill on his part with few minor exceptions and he STILL was superior to snakeman now imagine if he used his awakening.. we wouldnt have an MC king has never showed similar speed feats in fact even when attacked zoro on speed form he still got succesfully hurt meaning not only he has poor observation haki but his speed isnt what yall think it is mind you zoro isnt nowhere near as fast as katakuri and wci luffy overall luffy with fs partially capable of using it but still couldnt overcome katakuri in terms of speed and in general even when he went snakeman a form that is implied to counter the best qualities of katakuri.. katakuri's speed can only be matched and surpαssed by οnly a very few higher tier opponents and maybe manga sanji

[@quhe]

Katakuri is definitely faster then king lol and also I’m pretty sure katakuri armament is superior to king he clashed with the bounceman and snaked man luffy also had his hands hurting lol I don’t think king with no coc’s is able to do that with luffy

[@MarkFerrer-uw3or]

king is faster ? so are you saying zoro is faster than gear 4th snake man ? 😅

[@nihility..9975]

King has zero Haki feats,so I take Katakuri

[@braylon6749]

Haki feats don't matter when King has been shown to be invincible unless being attacked with some form of durability negation like advanced conquerors or something like Law's Gamma knife/Kroom Abilities

[@nihility..9975]

@@braylon6749 this fight can be over once King chooses speed over durability...or it's a stalemate with King remaining at his most durable form and Kat not being able to deal any damage

[@MrGoodman174]

He has armanent haki.

[@quandaviousgooch4726]

How does he have zero haki feats when he clashed against Zoro's Acoc wothout having acoc himself?

[@lorenz1099]

It’s a landslide in favour of King if anything😂

[@monkeydsasuke4154]

Katakuri with his future sight and his Buzz cut mochi is deadly luffy is rubber and hè smashed him back to base if hè Would do that to King he Would be dead or hè wil break his Bones and it's almost impossible to win from someone with future sight so i think that katakuri Would win

[@michellegibson5798]

I never realized that Luffy only took that attack so we'll because he's rubber.

[@Jardeaniel13]

kaido speed blitz luffy who has future sight and king is most definitely faster than kaido and his durability is yonko level and kat haki aint strong enough

[@michellegibson5798]

@@Jardeaniel13 King is no wear near Kaido's speed. WCI Gear 2 Luffy(No Future Sight), Wano Zoro, & Jinbei are equals in speed. Zoro was able to match King's reaction and combat speed. Katakuri is equal to WCI Snakeman's speed after several redirections. Katakuri = Snakeman Redirection Speed >>> Snakeman > Boundman >> King >= Gear 2 = Zoro in speed. King cannot compare to Katakuri in speed and Katakuri cannot compare to King in durability. Katakuri has the slight edge in endurance due to being a Conqueror Haki user. King isn't far behind due to being an ancient Zoan but Wano has showed us Conquerors > Ancient Zoan in endurance. Also fighting hrs after fatal wound >>>>> fighting secs after fatal wound. In versatility Katakuri in better In Range King is better In Armament Haki Katakuri is far better In Physical Strength King is far better In Observation Haki Katakuri is far better In Attack Potency I'll tie them due to King having access to Magma but Katakuri's buzzcut Mochi is overpowered against anyone who isn't made of rubber or a Logia due to the massive impact you'd take from the slam. Katakuri just has all the tools to win imo but I tie them. King has one hope of winning and that's to hope he can connect with the magna dragon attack.

[@MrGoodman174]

Seems like you don't know King's strength yet.

[@quandaviousgooch4726]

WCI Luffy is way less durable than King. How did you come to the conclusion that King would have broken bones or die instantly from that attack? It especially doesn't make any sense for a yonko right hand to one shot another yonko right hand, based on narrative, especially with one that appears later in the story.

[@KiyotakaAyanokoji.721]

Katakuri would win high diff IMO

[@kakarotkills7]

King is also faster than kaido who speed blitzes luffy who has future sight

[@kinggreen1485]

Bro you can't use future sight while being emotional 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️ Watch the show before talking nonsense 💀

[@Chemaah]

That fraud kat ain’t winning

[@kinggreen1485]

That fodder King ain't even touching Kat

[@nith4126]

9:32 Katakuri literally did the same thing when he stabbed himself, but it’s only a problem when King does it😂 10:22 Applying young Kaido’s strength to his commander decades later, would also mean Marco is the strongest Yonko commander

[@DhruChaney]

I will say the beast pirates are not super smart fighters aside from Kaido

[@user-nh3ox9vw7m]

Why do you guys call it conquerors coating. Isn't it obviously Advanced armament?🤔 What Zoro and Luffy did is what Hyogoro-oyabun does too.

[@angelrosado3011]

King all day not even close

[@kinggreen1485]

Yeah, King all day lose

[@jager-hill]

And zoro was not struggling bro in the middle tweakin. U have to take into account zoro broke like all his bones in his body and than faught king and won lol

[@xaviorprince4910]

King doesn't have observation haki or any strong observation haki katakuri has advanced obs you need advanced obs to fight him it would not play out how people think it would play out

[@kakarotkills7]

Definitely king

[@kinggreen1485]

How? With what haki? With what stamina? With what feats? Katakuri had a better DF + awakened, much more skillful with his DF, very fast like a bit less faster than King, much smarter, better endurance... Kata definitely takes it high diff

[@Lillanfrogs]

(My opinion mind you) but I would give it to King but with very high dif, Zoro has to used awaken conquerors (I think that’s what it’s called) to win and we don’t know if Katakuri has it. But it mostly depends on the writing (because it’s hard to predict Oda and a person will lean a certain way because of *favoritism*) and what each of them do and what abilities they have because who knows what powers each of them exactly have but with what we currently know I would say King would win but it would be a long fight.

[@jager-hill]

Zoro does not win without enma though that’s facts enma is zoros power up

[@YumYumFruit]

100% katakuri would win. King has zero haki capabilities, he is just a species.

[@zealous609]

King can definitely use haki lol

[@quandaviousgooch4726]

There are fodder characters even background characters (e.g Fujitora's men) that can use atleast armament haki, you even had Enel using Ken haki before it was even introduced and you telling me that a yonko first commander has no haki? 💀

[@farnabazat5395]

100% kata above king

[@Derek4k]

katakuri was winning the fight because of luffy getting hit by shawty on the sidelines. remember it wasnt a fair fight from early on.

[@vokenando4160]

I would say King wins, just for the simple fact that King fought an Advanced Conquerors, post vs Kaido, and Big Mom Zoro, and Kat couldn't defeat a WCI Luffy cleanly.

[@monkeydsasuke4154]

Nah bro i think you need to rewatch hè could beat him easy but Oda made the fight like that so luffy could surpas his limits you need to see katakuri as a coach/trainer

[@ItachiUchiha_1724]

Zoro took a mythical ancient super senzu drug And still struggled against king Katakuri by himself fought a mythical zoan god and outclassed him in every way Basic zoans have improved stamina vitality strength and durability endurance (stamina and vitality regen as well) Even restricted luffy still had at least ancient zoan lvl wich is greatly superior stamina vitality durability endurance (stamina and vitality regen as well) Katakuri is underated He used awakening for 4 hours straight Awakening drains stamina by a ton and yet he still was faster than gear 4 luffy and still lasted longer than a mythical god zoan The second place contender for stamina is doflamingo who used awakening for 10 minutes With fucked up organs The gap is tremendous Luffy ran away 4 times and had much less stamina and everything So he was never on par with katakuri Luffy was dead after the fight And katakuri was chilling Luffy got saved thanks to his stamina and vitality regen from being a zoann

[@thefoxxx3082]

To be fair He outclassed luffy in every way Their fight was less about physical strnegth and more a mental one for kat He wasnt completely there He even gave up in the end instead of going further

[@2FINE4YOUBABYGIRL]

That’s the best argument I’ve seen in Kings favor

[@JRG333]

@@ItachiUchiha_1724 exactly bro thats why mostly everyone agrees Katakuri would win. Great analysis

[@samar9614]

If king want to fight kattakuri he has to be fast, then king has to stop the flames to move fast. King without the fire lose easily. In manga it was clear.

[@glennbaniaga7251]

Haki Blooms while fighting stronger opponents. Kataukuri will have Advance Armament Haki and Advance Conquerer Haki while fighting King. So Katakuri wins

[@Cyanduck485]

King wins for me

[@jacobvillavicencio9272]

Glasses is fake

[@ThatOnePieceTalk]

😂

[@tiltzzzz7770]

Katakuri takes it i think

[@kinggreen1485]

​@@MrGoodman174Yes, Kata is above King for sure.

[@MrGoodman174]

Are u sure?

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

Y'ALL going to act like king wasn't fighting Marco for a long time before he faced zoro

[@ThatOnePieceTalk]

He got washed

[@fardeenhasan7474]

And zoro wasn’t fighting for a long time? Didn’t fight big mom and kaido? The miracle pill doesn’t make him 100%

[@opalonefelding7479]

MARCO WAS FIGHTING BOTH KING AND QUEEN SO I GIVE KATUKURI THE W

[@michellegibson5798]

He's an ancient zoan. Their recovery speed is almost immediate so that doesn't work here. King was 100% against Zoro.

[@AZ-ev3vp]

I said let me give. A new podcast a try …. Mans them all wrong 😂

[@StealthPilotWarcury]

King wins

[@dilll3066]

Bro on the right has terrible takes

[@leonarcherjunior2090]

Big mom pirates are better than the beast pirates

[@weebwhodoesntloveanime6955]

This is easy Luffy gear 4th with advance observation haki>Current Zoro. Katakuri>Gear 4th>Zoro>King

[@salam9016]

No

[@MarySenpai78]

Kat over King fr

[@med5442]

Let’s not forget King is a LUNARAIN and a ZOAN TYPE.

[@jq3510]

Deadass he’s a beast

[@duncan3998]

And he can burn any doughnuts + mochis.

[@Cormie-wu1oh]

im going to put it simply King>Queen> Act 2 Luffy > Kata

[@salam9016]

Someone smart

[@Cormie-wu1oh]

@@salam9016 not even smarts it’s just because i uses fact’s instead of I like one character more so they must win

[@kinggreen1485]

​@@Cormie-wu1oh Well, the correct version is: Post Uddon Luffy > Katakuri > King > Pre Uddon Luffy >= Queen

[@Cormie-wu1oh]

@@kinggreen1485 no it’s not Kat feats are pre act one luffy. He can not go higher than that. Luffy in act 1 is above Kat then act 2 luffy gets bullied by queen and obviously king is higher

[@Cormie-wu1oh]

@@kinggreen1485 post udon luffy couldn’t hurt kaido. Then he got acoc and could hurt him. Zoro performs better on rooftop then that luffy and scares kaido. Then zoro who is stronger after rooftop is equal or weak then king before he masters acoc. Compared to whole luffy that weaker than act 1 luffy who got blitzed by base kaido and 1 shot

[@christianjay3656]

WtF zdid you just said? KING is as Trash as Marco? How?

[@MrGoodman174]

that fat-albert is trash himself

[@duncan3998]

that fatso doesn't know what he's talking about.

[@jhondoe7571]

king of course, katakuri is overrated

[@MoonViewJayGaming]

Katakuri has only knockback, no pierce. King wins. You can’t say maybe KAT can bypass king’s exterior…. He can’t. King wins come on.

[@shay_3859]

So explain how Marco was able to kick King and have him bleeding then? Clearly Katakuri has better ap than Marco. Marco is the one with only knockback and no pierce, whereas Katakuri has a trident and an advanced form of armament haki.

[@itachi_1724]

@@shay_3859 these people really think Katakuri used 100% of his capabilities He used his spear only 4 times He used His different kind of Armament haki 5 times And Only used his Df full capabilities 3 times Katakuri learned and mastered an enemies fighting style mid battle instantly If katakuri Simply kept trapping Luffy and using Constructs and Used his superior Armament haki and Spear along with his Future sight Luffy is dying no diff His IQ and Battle IQ is insane His Skill and df is Superior His Haki is vastly superior Kings only takes Durability Not defence (but katakuri is not Outclassed he tanked named attacks and only got scuff marks not even a bruise the durability is nice) Kings fire mode has a Limit he started Blocking and doing and Zoro asked him why are you blocking? Katakuri is The Goat And Probably the strongest Commander outside of Ben Beckman and Yamato But these 2 Are unique I call them pseudo Yonko lvl Capable of fighting Yonko not losing not winning but drawing I think Katakuri is At that lvl

[@shay_3859]

@@itachi_1724 I agree, except for the Psuedo yonko part. Katakuri is so versatile and uniquely strong that he is a bad matchup for 95% of One piece characters. People think that Wano Zoro surpassed Whole Cake Island Luffy, or that Luffy in his base surpassed the version of Luffy that was one-shotted by Kaido, and that's the problem. Hurting Kaido isn't about strength, it's about haki mastery.û Marco showed how vulnerable King is to fast characters. Katakuri is at least comparable to Marco, and imo he is faster due to future sight.

[@itachi_1724]

@@shay_3859 exactly people take the "After every arc The straw hats get stronger " Statement out of context Oda was talking about will If this statement is literal then return to saboady Luffy and Crew are Above everyone from the last arc aka marineford BRUHH nah People think wano is so far above WCI in power it's crazy Wano was literally just haki training to make the crew Rise to others lvls The Scabbards can Hurt kaido they drew the most blood out of anyone Katakuri is not Outclassed by anyone on wano besides the Yonko Luffy and and maybe Yamato And yes I agree katakuri can Beat 95% of the verse That's why I Put him in pseudo Yonko lvl His portrayal is up there he will be the next Wb sooner than later If bigmom is out of the story or not Think about katakuri is a Family man Has a Long spear like weapon All 3 Types of haki Refused to Fall on his back And A Legend Katakuri the goat and probably the strongest Commander besides Ben Beckmann and Yamato Now I think there must be a pseudo Yonko lvl It's the place between commander and Yonko lvl For reference I have it Yonko Psuedo Yonko lvl Commander lvl Admiral lvl Certain characters rise and Fall But for the most part commanders>Admirals There are exceptions like Jack and Shyruu Jack would have a Hard time beating a admiral Shyruu needed help to beat moria🤣 Outliers like The warlords scale to commanders mostly low commanders (meaning they scale to admirals too as we saw at marineford) Like doflamingo I would say he is 3rd commander lvl but Barely His Fruit carriers him and he is awakened Cracker Smacks doflamingo low diff But I do think Doflamingo beats Jack (even though statements and Portrayal says otherwise) If not beat then doflamingo gives Jack a really Good fight but what we know Doflamingo beats Jack pretty comfortably Boa Is Commander lvl for Sure beating a good number of commanders and admirals If she has Good haki wich she might because Rayleigh looked after her for more than 10 years so she might have Busted haki she could be a Top tier commander lvl but relied on her fruit too much Moria Is Not commander lvl I'd say Yonko lieutenant lvl or for scaling purposes he is Vice admiral lvl or tobiroppo lvl (drake is tobiroppo lvl and he is vice admiral lvl) Kuma is Similar to Moria I'd say he has good feats but from what I can tell he is not a Real fighter a Df spammer yes and A haki user yes He can fight but I don't think it's His first choice of style Mihawk is Easily Yonko lvl at minimum Id argue higher He one shot a jinbei at marineford a commander lvl foe (Jinbei scales to ace a second division commander making jinbei at least low Commander lvl) And scaling shows from marineford Jinbei>doflamingo and Crocodile Doflamingo=>Jozu Jozu=Luzan Crocodile=

[@zaik]

Si vous pensez réellement que king tient plus d'une minute contre katakurie faudrait arrêter one piece c'est pas pour vous

[@duncan3998]

Comme si vos connaissances étaient meilleures. Tu devrais définitivement arrêter

[@zaik]

@@duncan3998 🤡

[@duncan3998]

@@zaik Oui, je parlais de toi.

[@zaik]

@@duncan3998 Mais c'est quoi ton propos du coup ? parce que je parle de one piece et tu parle de moi ? Et tu sais ce qu'on dis quand on peut pas attaquer le propos on attaque celui qui l'enonce. 🤡🤡🤡

[@duncan3998]

@@zaik Selon le traducteur français, il semblerait que vous soyez un apologiste de Katakuri et que vous ayez une analyse épouvantable. Tout le monde sait que King décimerait Katakuri. Je pensais que tu étais intelligent.

[@leonarcherjunior2090]

"King is almost as trash as Marco" Fax

[@duncan3998]

the fattie and u are trash

[@AstroPeezy]

Watching this was cringe. Y'all downplay king so hard. Let's talk about it

[@duncan3998]

Not just them, every Katakuri-fanboys

[@binoyatbp7866]

Sadly Katakuri cant even defeat Queen, King is way beyond tank/Damage dealer

[@kinggreen1485]

Sadly King is getting clapped by Kata in a high diff fight...

[@vinsmokesanji9251]

Kat takes it mid diffs both King and ZoLo at the same time.

[@MrGoodman174]

Dumbass

[@quandaviousgooch4726]

The glazing is crazy

[@zhuff56]

Katakuri claps king mid diff

[@genericname8314]

Katakuri is a character that lost to a g4 luffy that got 1 shot by a BASE kaido thunder bagua, luffy and the rest of the strawhats had 2 weeks to train before the raid and on rooftop. zoro arguably was the best performer of the 5 worst generation on rooftop untill luffy unlocked conquerors coating, he spooked big mom into telling kaido to dodge and blocked a combined attack from the 2 emperors long enough for law to teleport them to safty. that same zoro was questioning his ability to beat king and had to unlock conquerors coating to win, future sight or not katakuri is not a match for king.

[@itskxmi]

King and it’s not even close. People just want Katakuri to win, that’s all

[@kinggreen1485]

No, just speaking facts and the facts says that King has nothing more to offer than Durability and Speed while Kata offers greater haki, IQ, skills, DF + awakened and feats... I love my boy King, but he gets clapped...

[@duncan3998]

Exactly, this Kata-clown-stan above me will do anything to support his agenda. ☝

[@kennetharthur6706]

Zoros attacks were far powerful than what luffy fought kat with... Although Kat has haki feats.. Kings attack are way scary than Kat... It just a matter of him landing it on Kat.. Which might not be possible because of future sight...

[@michellegibson5798]

Base Luffy is equal to Zoro in speed. Katakuri is equal to Snakeman Luffy in speed. Katakuri >>>> Zoro = King in speed. They aren't touching Katakuri unless he decides to fight them like he did against Luffy where he nerfs himself and fights their style of fighting. He brawled Luffy instead of just Mochi Thrusting him with far more speed.

[@quinitofisher5063]

@@michellegibson5798 you're comparing old luffy to current zoro. That's a bad comparison. Plus no one said that base luffy is as fast as zoro.

[@michellegibson5798]

@@quinitofisher5063 old Luffy and current Luffy have the same Speed. Luffy only increased his physical strength and Haki from Udon and Kaido fight. He never got faster and if so only slightly. Base Luffy and Zoro were shown to be the same Speed against Holdem. I doubt Luffy got so much faster that he's faster than Gear 4 Snakeman now on base.... Fact is regardless, Katakuri is much faster than Zoro.

[@quinitofisher5063]

@@michellegibson5798 luffy got blitzed by kaido at the beginning of wano (something Kat couldn't do). Luffy then trains and now can't be blitzed by kaido and instead gets grazed by his attacks. Then once he gets conquers coating he is able to completely dodge his attacks. Luffy got faster. Also zoro doesn't have gears so he adjusts his speed like any normal person. There's no indicator that he's moving faster other than him keeping up with other people.

[@michellegibson5798]

@@quinitofisher5063 I was waiting for you to mention the blitz. Luffy was blitzed WITHOUT using Future Sight because he had just thought his friends died so he was emotionally unstable. He know you can't use future sight unless you're calm and collected from the Katakuri sight. When Base Luffy got on the rooftop he was equal to Base Kaido in speed with Future Sight. Base Luffy can adjust speed same as Zoro so I don't get your point. Oda moved them at the same exact pace meaning they are equal in speed unless for some reason Luffy tried harder than Zoro which is highly unprovable. Katakuri is equal to Future Sight Snakeman Luffy in speed. He's much faster than Zoro. Nothing changes that right now. Zoro honestly shouldn't even have beaten King without him nerfing his flight advantage.

[@lemillion5980]

Katakuri wins

[@kinggreen1485]

Katakuri takes it high diff