Kingsong S22 overpowered and cutout at low speed. Verry good thuck and roll from the rider.

Kingsong S22 overleaned and cutout. Verry good thuck and roll from the rider.

[@VECTOR_Coasters]

people act like this is only an s22 problem, however this will happen on any wheel if you lean hard enough

[@EUCLimburg]

Exactley. This was pure ryders fault, Not a problem with the wheel. Bunnyslipper has the weight and power to overpower every wheel. Becouse of the angle the video is shot you can not realy tel how hard he was leaning but i was riding and filming nexst to him and i can tell you that he was leaning heavy and accelerating verry quick. (wanted to show off)

[@updlate4756]

​@@EUCLimburg Yep, not good technique for pushing the limits of the wheel; It's the lazy / risky way. Leaning the upper body far forward like that is using a person's heavy torso and sharper forward lean over a longer distance (easier) to set the body's center of gravity far ahead of the wheel, using gravity to help push on the front pads and pedals. With how high and far ahead the center of gravity is, there's little leverage to suddenly pull the upper body and all its weight back from that position to decelerate. When the wheel can't maintain balance and starts to tilt forward due to lack of acceleration, the heavy torso wants to continue forward so it rotates forward and down, accelerating against gravity, now making it impossible to pull back against the force. Once the wheel starts to tilt forward, you're done; there's no saving it. Better technique is to pushing the knees and hips forward to put weight on the pads and toes, while keeping the torso pulled back and closer to vertical so that there isn't much weight at the top of the lever and where you still have leverage to quickly pull back. It'll take pushing the knees forward and toes down hard to accelerate hard, but decelerating is a simple matter of pushing back on the heel to straighten up the legs and take off forward pressure. Way easier and faster to correct, but takes more effort over a shorter bodily movement. If the wheel does start to tilt in this position, it's not throwing your upper body forward and down. It's pulling your lower body forward, while your upper body may actually pivot back.

[@EUCLimburg]

@@EUCvibes So becouce he overleaned its the wheel fault? Hahahaha.

[@ccw5254]

제 생각도 마찬가지 입니다. 그는 각도를 오버하였다.

[@Dropp383]

Wow. That harness proved worthy on that cutout. Good roll when falling for him too.

[@matthewearl9824]

Harness? The leash? The leash didn't do anything. Leashes are more of a danger than anything else.

[@Dropp383]

@@matthewearl9824 Yeah but I crashed/cutout going up hill at 45 mph and my Sherman constantly tumbled/rolled 50 ft and into the other lane. Almost hitting an oncoming car.

[@Dropp383]

The damage cause a major cosmetic issue. Spent another 500 on parts. Kept the batteries and motherboard. Crash was Feb 2021, and since then no crash and still riding with the same batteries and motherboard. I stopped going over 40 mph. That 40-45 range is sketchy...well, for me. They need to make a new motherboard/chip at lets you stay at 45mph max without a cutout. As in, it won't let you go past 45 based on limitation setting. If you know what I mean. My Sherman 2nd gen this holding strong as my daily. I've taken it apart like 20 times. lol.

[@matthewearl9824]

@@Dropp383 first and foremost, I understand what you mean and I am glad that you are ok but also, could you imagine the Sherman got caught underneath the car and was dragged? There is a reason why motorcycle riders are not attached to the motorcycle. It can snap your spine or your neck. I don’t know how it started or where it is posted that this is a legitimate safety tactic.

[@nativeme2143]

He pushed the wheel very hard! I took S22 to 75-76 km/h, but you need to do this gradually. Unfortunatly... 99% rider's fault, hope he's ok.

[@EUCLimburg]

Hé is Ok

[@RoseKobersteinDesigns]

@@EUCvibes the S22 weights over 73 pounds dry. It only has a 3300 watt motpr that is known to not be powerful enough to do quick acceleration which is why they now upgraded to a 4400 watt motor.

[@mracobes]

when you switched from Begode to King and forgot about it.... 😂

[@ElectricTangerine-yb3kw]

gotta have to disagree on this one, Begode Master cut out on at 70km not even leaning into it. Begode is shit

[@Parkeralto]

And right in front of a church too; even divine intervention can't prevent a cut out with that much lean. Thanks for posting, I learned something.

[@Scheltokeeper]

Pheww...that looks really scary! He was really lucky that nothing happened to him. Good reactions and good protection. 👍🏻

[@42Arcana]

I've had that on my S18. I was previously driving a V10F, and I leaned the same way on acceleration from a full stop than I'd do on the V10F. Well... I was happy to wear my gear ;-) Nowadays I'm a lot more cautious with my leaning ;-)

[@matthewearl9824]

You got to be careful on that wheel. It has sag issues. I'm glad he is ok.

[@RoseKobersteinDesigns]

this is exactly why you dont over lean while already accelerating hard. I always tell people to do research on HOW an EUC,Onewheel, self balancing device work. This is 100% user error caused by the lack of understanding behind how the device operates internally. Im glad hes okay

[@RoseKobersteinDesigns]

@@EUCvibes weither you like it or not it's user error and that fact isnt gonna change.

[@mikeh6286]

That guy weighs a ton too. He needs like Veteran or Begode to provide enough juice (current) to keep balanced. Kingsong is good too but it's going to try and protect itself earlier than the other two brands mentioned. Lighter riders can race the S22 with more headroom.

[@trancendedmindpalace]

From my experience with the S22 if you are going to lean it hard, put it in the most advance riding mode first. This makes it harder to over-lean, but it aids against cut-outs.

[@mikebikekite1]

It's not the speed, it's the acceleration. 100% rider error here. All wheels cut out if you over lean them. Hope the rider was OK. Was there much damage to the wheel?

[@LucasDearborn]

That was a textbook roll, glad he’s ok

[@EUCLimburg]

Yes he did a verry good job

[@Hermes8A8A]

I bet he wishes he wasn't wearing that tether attached to the wheel after he crashed

[@GoMArkkrAM]

Go Low on carbs, loosen some pounds and you should be ok next time!

[@mofiiyah820]

Is this on the first version of the s22 or is this on the updated/pro version too? What speed was this on? still looks like it cutout early?

[@EUCLimburg]

S20 first batch, Speed 30 / 35 max.early cutout? you can overpower a wheel from standstil. overpowering has nothing to do with speed.

[@Kay0Bot]

That guy is a big Boi, he needs a v13. Rider weight is huge factor for cutoff

[@Dropp383]

@0:04 You can tell he's a newbie by the way he mounts. Arms swinging.

[@EUCLimburg]

He rides a lot and over two years now on manny different wheels. He just wanted to show off end he is a heavy gay. This is the S20 first batch not the pro. He just trow to mutch off his boddy in it.

[@ductpad]

It doesn't even look like that much lean before it goes over though. So scary knowing this can happen.

[@EUCLimburg]

Hard to see his leaning on thad angle from behind he. He is a heavy guy who can overpower every wheel if he want.

[@tanknd804]

Wow.....that sucks!😢

[@fedya-sielmedvedya]

Продав по мощности😮

[@RemoteTVChannel]

i’m EUC rider too. what is the product that safety rope??

[@EUCLimburg]

towwhee.com/

[@dirt.surfer]

This happens easily on the s22. I have over powered mine like that many times. I bet it's voltage sag, that's what happens to me, you have to be mindful on the s22. In fact pro tip if your already ripping on it, don't lean into it like you think there is more to give, your face to pavement. Learn your limitations and ride according.

[@bookmark2846]

I was watching video in slow motion and notice right before the cut out that there seemed to be a blast of dust/sand from the wheel that may suggest that there might have been a wheel slip and loss of traction. Anyone else notice it?

[@EUCLimburg]

Wel wat you see is a out of focus cratsh on the potectionlenses from the insta 360 2X, He just accellerated more than the battery and motor could handle. Overleaned/overpowered. No mistical reasons.

[@rubasznyJOHN]

I noticed that smoke to

[@EUCLimburg]

@@rubasznyJOHN Well, trust me it is a out off focus scratsh on the protective lenscover off the insta 360 2X.

[@DavidVandevoordeDendermonde]

ocharme, dit komt aan.

[@grzib]

And I was almost ready to buy S22 Pro … I’m going with a Sherman S

[@coreykirby1632]

He said that was the first batch s 22. That was not the pro.

[@dewaynelowery8511]

Good choice

[@suppahero9861]

Over lean .. cut out .. crazy

[@DonovanWert]

Hope he’s ok

[@EUCLimburg]

Hé is OK

[@MaximilianGros]

I don't understand why there was no tiltback, even no beep. On my 18 XL I leaned in hard several times when the battery was empty when I assumed it was full (loose contact on the charging ports). The tiltback saved me every time. Is the safety margin of the S22 so measly? Does anyone know if it gets better with the Pro?

[@EUCLimburg]

forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/23128-what-exactly-is-pwm-and-questions-about-speed-alarms/

[@EUCLimburg]

If the PWM is at 100 the motor cant tildback because it already uses every avalable power there is, how schout it tildback, for a tildback it would neet even more power to get you upride again, but the motor and battery is already at the max delivery possible.

[@MaximilianGros]

@@EUCLimburg Of course, the tiltback should start earlier, when the wheel still has the reserves for it. It seems to work on my wheel and I see no reason why it shouldn't be possible on a more powerful wheel.

[@EUCLimburg]

@@MaximilianGros Tiltback works onley for max speeds witout a power peek. But you can overpower every wheel on every speed. Just don 't go over 80 PWM. But if there is a power peek becouce of a bump in the road ore suddenley to hard accelerating. Tiltback will not work becouce there is even more power needed what is not avalable. If you don,t want to cutout ride within the margens and then there is still a chance you get a unexpected power peek. So if you realey don,t want to cutout stop using euc,s its all in the game!

[@MaximilianGros]

@@EUCLimburg That's not true. Tiltback works at any speed. I actually only experience it when the battery is almost empty, because the beeps start relatively late under load and I don't have enough time to react. There is absolutely no reason why it works fine on an 18XL and not on the S20. Ask 1Radwerkstatt if you don't believe me or check forum topic "PWM monitoring and alarms added in Darknessbot". It also explains why the Kingsong tiltback is not based on the PWM value. "Tiltback will not work becouce there is even more power needed what is not avalable." With a reasonable safety margin there is always enough power for tiltback. It's much more important than beeps and completely stupid not to use or implement it correctly.

[@MrRiker2010]

передавил педали видно слишком сильный наклон

[@televizorlol]

Так конечно, ещё и с таким весом

[@Iliusblacck]

Ктото много кушает

[@monowheeling]

"at low speed" LOL

[@Martin-pi9xq]

To everyone saying that its the riders fault. Wake up!. Its should have safety features that prevents cutouts.. CUTOUTS NEVER the riders fault!. Manufacture fault ONLY..

[@lehayoureaseparatist733]

There was no possible to prevent it. Even raising the pedals does not protect against extreme tilting that this person did

[@Martin-pi9xq]

@@lehayoureaseparatist733 seperate battery Supply to gyros would solve the problem.

[@monowheeling]

@@Martin-pi9xq only a more powerful motor+battery+controller would help. If you overpower a system, it will give in, that's entirely inevitably.

[@brianvincent8287]

cut out wtf, thats not suppose to happen,,, set the warning alarms low and dont push it, battery isnt big enough

[@boaks27]

Leaned too far over, bad on Kingsong.

[@EUCLimburg]

He could have overpowered every brand off wheel. Its not the fault off the wheels we overleane them.

[@VECTOR_Coasters]

how is it bad on kingsong?

[@JoyRideJay11]

WOW! Sad if we are calling that an Over Torque. Kingsong Sketch ASF! He barely even leaned! How do your over torque at 20 mph!?🤯

[@EUCLimburg]

You can overtork every wheel at every speed. He is a heavy gay and just trow to mutch off his weight in it. His gear and good reflex saved him from serius inguries. Onley some bruses en scratsches. The wheel survived also

[@Ambrovious]

I suggest you re-watch that in slow motion. That was a very aggressive lean with a heavy rider. Sh!÷ happens when your riding the edge, but hey thats why we like the thrill. Glad he is okay.