2024 Honda CBR650r is a BETTER buy than Kawasaki ZX-4rr... So why did I get the Ninja?

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Kirk Kreifels

Kirk Kreifels

Күн бұрын

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@DailyMotor
@DailyMotor 20 күн бұрын
Got the CBR650R right now. E Clutch is nice to have, but other than that it's not very exciting. It's the accountant's inline-4. Your ZX is much more exciting
@KirkKreifels
@KirkKreifels 20 күн бұрын
Thanks for confirming I made the right choice 😜
@LaborOx_Solutions
@LaborOx_Solutions 19 күн бұрын
Lol!! I love how you worded this, it truly painted the picture in my mental haha Love it.
@nadanadanada7197
@nadanadanada7197 18 күн бұрын
There are some of us that have those simple "accountant" requirements. I Have the even more "boring and basic" Fz6r, which may be even heavier than the cbr650 and it only makes around 75hp. But even then, I kind of feel that is all I'll ever need. PD: Not to confuse with the more exiting FZ6S and FZ6N that have 98hp.
@xsatn2082
@xsatn2082 20 күн бұрын
Those inline 400's used to ride a 90s one for quite a while, nothing beats the smiles it delivered
@davidlagno7717
@davidlagno7717 20 күн бұрын
The baby Blade poster I had in my room and was obsessed. Too bad we never got them in the US. They were so ahead of its time its insane. The first came out in 89 I think and the 900 didn't come out until 92 maybe later in the US but they were something else we never saw before
@bobbarrett7748
@bobbarrett7748 20 күн бұрын
When I bought my ZX4RR I was considering the CB650R. I looked everywhere cuz I wanted to see one in person and there wasn’t a CB650r anywhere. I don’t know if they had parts issues or what but nothing was available. It made my choice easy and I’m glad I went with the ZX4RR. No regrets. It’s a fun bike that I absolutely enjoy riding. Love the videos and appreciate your work
@KirkKreifels
@KirkKreifels 20 күн бұрын
Thanks for sharing! Yep, the 650r brothers are hard, very hard to find
@chadguru9565
@chadguru9565 20 күн бұрын
Cbr650r is cool, but I'm looking into CB650R for the more upright position while also enjoying the inline 4
@KirkKreifels
@KirkKreifels 20 күн бұрын
Z900! But the CB looks better
@garboi8976
@garboi8976 20 күн бұрын
@@KirkKreifelsnew Z900 is finally worth it now that it gets cruise control, an IMU, and electric throttle. The CB650R is already heavy, you may as well go 20 pounds heavier and get the z900 se.
@allnighterist
@allnighterist 20 күн бұрын
Yamaha MT 07 better
@dorayaki5494
@dorayaki5494 20 күн бұрын
@@allnighterist MT07 is a great bike but everyone and their mother at this point rides one. Z900 is not common to see and neither is the CB650 so I'd say for him to buy one of those.
@tbn.z900
@tbn.z900 20 күн бұрын
@@dorayaki5494 the z900 is the second most buyed bike 😅
@Bristecom
@Bristecom 20 күн бұрын
I also narrowed it down to those two bikes and ended up with the ZX-4RR 40th (same as you) for the same reasons! I wanted something fun and sporty with a good sound while still comfortable enough for the road. It seems like many people just don't understand this type of bike but it hits a perfect compromise for me! I actually designed/imagined a 4 cylinder 400cc sport bike like this as far back as 15 years ago but figured nobody would actually make one but Kawasaki actually did and they deserved my money for it! This bike is truly something special!
@alexpl812
@alexpl812 20 күн бұрын
CBR650R is 20 kg heavier, and for me the ergonomics is more sporty which may not be very desirable. Plus it is more bulky. I would pick ZX-4RR any day. No-brainer
@telemaster
@telemaster 20 күн бұрын
I find on small displacement 4 cylinder bikes that I’m more likely to be exceeding the speed limit than on bigger bikes. Hunting for torque means you’re always thrashing it to find the peak, rather than going with the flow of the ride. Sorry officer, I was trying to find the power band 😄
@GIGABACHI
@GIGABACHI 20 күн бұрын
Not to mention that even tho you're only doing limit, it sounds "too fast" to the general population that votes for stupid laws. Then when you give it the beans . . . it sounds to everyone around like you're a public menace and breaking each and every speed limits when in fact you ain't or barely are.
@KirkKreifels
@KirkKreifels 20 күн бұрын
Not for me. The ZX-4RR is fun and sounds great even when keeping up with traffic. Even low rpm sounds amazing
@telemaster
@telemaster 20 күн бұрын
@@KirkKreifels no one’s arguing with the sound - it’s great. It’s more that a bike like the 4R goads some into riding “antisocially” in the pursuit of torque. Not something viable where I live
@Bristecom
@Bristecom 20 күн бұрын
That may be true of some small high strung engines but the low-end power on this bike is plenty sufficient. It's still faster than most cars even at low RPM's! So you don't need to hunt for torque, the high RPM's are just for extra power and sound IMO. But if you prefer tons of torque down low, there's plenty of other bikes out there that do that.
@telemaster
@telemaster 20 күн бұрын
@@Bristecom sure, most bikes are faster than most cars below 60 mph - the issue is that a bike like the 4R feels like it’s out of power band (which it is) unless you’re really gassing it up. Fun on a track - frustrating on the road with police around. For reference I learned on a CBR250RR and currently ride a ZX10R and a Thruxton R. I find adhering to the speed limit more enjoyable on both of those bikes over the small capacity 4s I rode as a kid (ZX-6R, NC30 and the Baby Blade). YMMV
@The.JZA.
@The.JZA. 20 күн бұрын
I have a CB650R and honestly it is fantastic. There’s basically nothing I can fault it on. Really nice smooth power all the way from 2,000 to 12,900rpm. I just got home from a 4 hour ride from Wanaka, New Zealand to Glenorchy with my GF on the back and even in 6th gear at 4,000rpm it cruises along so happily, even up hills and when you get on the twisty road you hold the gears and it just goes man. It’s brilliant. I know there are faster bikes and bikes with more torque but I mean, I’m 110kg with all my riding gear and my GF is about 60kg with all her riding gear and the bike handles it brilliantly. I don’t know why you would need any more power. I absolutely love it. I’ve fitted the quick shifter, a G2 10% quicker throttle tube, Metzeler Roadtec 02 tyres and it’s been tuned to 95 hp. Absolutely fantastic bike. Brilliant. I can’t say anything bad about it. Suspension is a really nice balance of sporty and comfortable, chassis handles well and is comfortable, engine is an absolute peach with very smooth power throughout the rev range as well as a top end rush and it looks fantastic which is always important. 10/10 recommend it. The ZX4RR is really cool too but I feel like it would be lacking torque and so I would have to thrash it all the time to get anywhere, especially because I am 110kg and I live in the mountains and ride over mountains regularly. I bet it’s still tonnes of fun to ride though. To each their own!!
@davidlagno7717
@davidlagno7717 20 күн бұрын
Get what you like. The 400RR is gonna make you learn how to become a much better rider. Downshifting to get into the revs. Its so light you just look where you wanna go and it telaports ya there. Keep the real sportbikes alive. Its like an IV of adrenaline right into the veins ❤
@salami99
@salami99 20 күн бұрын
zx4rr my dream bike. the miata of bikes.
@shershot
@shershot 20 күн бұрын
Mine is the unreleased zx5rr lol
@JohnSmith-tc9ez
@JohnSmith-tc9ez 20 күн бұрын
That’s how I call mine!
@AERoVALKYRiE
@AERoVALKYRiE 20 күн бұрын
Zx4rr is an Expensive bike. Miata isn’t an expensive car. A better car equivalent would be a 2.0t Supra
@Antics456
@Antics456 20 күн бұрын
i honestly see the zx4rr as more of an S2000 of bikes rather than the Miata, mostly due to how lovely it sounds, but i get you
@Carlisho
@Carlisho 20 күн бұрын
@@AERoVALKYRiEbro a new miata is over $40k it is definitely not cheap
@mickharman5833
@mickharman5833 20 күн бұрын
My 1990 gsxr400 reved to 16000 rpm and I loved it the top end rush was incredible I sold it and got a 750 gixer but there more fun to be had on the 400 awesome bikes
@rdrkt3028
@rdrkt3028 20 күн бұрын
I wanted a new zx6r or cbr600rr. Bought the 40th edition zx4rr instead. I don’t have the self control to keep myself out of trouble on the street on a 600-1000. Learned that in the past and chose the bike that gave me the best chance of keeping my license. 650r is great also. My father is planning on picking one up this spring. Both awesome bikes.
@johnnyhun1
@johnnyhun1 20 күн бұрын
well the zx4rr can go with 220 km/h, that's license revoking speed...
@JoeBleaux69
@JoeBleaux69 20 күн бұрын
Please find a cbr650r to review, I want to see your expectations vs reality
@JohnSmith-tc9ez
@JohnSmith-tc9ez 20 күн бұрын
I had a cbr650r and traded it for a 40th anniversary zx4rr and I have no regrets. Yes the additional torque and power of the honda was nice, but it was nowhere near as fun as the zx4rr and mine has not had the ECU flash yet, so I can only imagine how much more fun it will be after the tune. Also I find the kawa is a little bit more confortable for me.
@KirkKreifels
@KirkKreifels 20 күн бұрын
Great testimony!
@future62
@future62 20 күн бұрын
I wish more riders were as honest about their needs as you. I have a full on supersport (Street Triple 765) that I use for the track- but I agree that the power the ZX4RR makes is all you need for the street. I really like how it makes the thrill of supersports accessible for the road.
@worst-hd-player
@worst-hd-player 20 күн бұрын
Now you are trolling, the street triple 765 is now a supersport, not even close. It may have comparable performance to something like a GSXR-750 for example but you are sitting a LOT more straight up. It’s very much a naked bike. Now if you are talking about the Street Triple 765 Moto2 edition, that has clipons that make it a lot more aggressive like a supersport.
@SWTVENOM
@SWTVENOM 20 күн бұрын
Im shopping for the STR but the display is terrible so now idk
@worst-hd-player
@worst-hd-player 20 күн бұрын
@@SWTVENOM the RS has a full TFT. If you are referring to that having a terrible display then not sure what else to recommend in that category. Could possibly look into the new 2025 Z900 that is coming out. It’s updated from the previous generation and has all the newer tech along with a better looking TFT display than previous.
@future62
@future62 16 күн бұрын
@@worst-hd-player I mean race teams slap clip ons and body work on the ST765 to go racing in the supersport class. I have clip ons on mine. It's a supersport with upright bars. Relax
@worst-hd-player
@worst-hd-player 16 күн бұрын
@@future62 should probably clarify that you put clipons on it to make it sit like a supersport instead of saying it’s full blown supersport when it’s clearly not from factory
@garboi8976
@garboi8976 20 күн бұрын
Just going off the numbers, the CBR650R is a neutered inline 4 to appeal to a broader market. The ZX4RR is a maxed out inline 4 to appeal to a specific niche. If you like the ZX4RR there is no way the 650 will have the same appeal.
@deepakalfred2962
@deepakalfred2962 20 күн бұрын
Well said
@dorayaki5494
@dorayaki5494 20 күн бұрын
Neutered how? It has less peak horsepower than your everyday 600 because they geared it to produce more torque earlier. This is what Suzuki did with the legendary GSXR 1000 K5/K6 back in '05. It's not neutered. Just different. The 4RR is geared for higher top end speed and produces its max torque at 11k while the 650R at 8.5k.
@JoeBleaux69
@JoeBleaux69 20 күн бұрын
@@garboi8976 that’s ridiculous. It revs 4,000+ rpm’s higher than the legendary Honda inline 4’s from civics of old. The point of lowering the rpm compared to the 600’s was to give nearly 100hp without having a motor that has 0 power/torque down low…the cbr makes more power everywhere…anyone suggested that it’s neutered in comparison is showing crazy bias
@garboi8976
@garboi8976 20 күн бұрын
@@JoeBleaux69 a 650cc inline 4 could make the same or more torque that the Honda makes while also making 30-40 peak horsepower more. The bike is capped for A2 licensing reasons. My point is this motor could be capable of much more, but they limit it to be compliant with the European market. You can feel that. The 4RR doesn’t have that feeling because it’s being strung out fully.
@garboi8976
@garboi8976 20 күн бұрын
@@dorayaki5494 it has less peak horsepower because it’s legally restricted by euro A2 licensing and that is the ONLY reason why. Honda is fully capable of making more torque and horsepower with the additional 50cc but they don’t because this bike has to fit a mold. That’s my point. Not going to argue with you, I am right. Honda has stated this themselves.
@lecoureurdesbois86
@lecoureurdesbois86 20 күн бұрын
More revs = more happi
@101BadBreath
@101BadBreath 13 күн бұрын
The Ninja is passion project. As sure performance vs price its not the best...but it's not always about whats on paper but how it makes you feel...smiles per dollar on it is almost unbeatable. I found the CBR heavy and a bit boring for what it is. Yeah it has more power but I prefer a bike that is lighter on its feet and quicker to flick around.
@Kevin-mm6xm
@Kevin-mm6xm 12 күн бұрын
I didn't want a high revving engine for my choice because I know myself, and I would soon become bored revving to 16,000, wishing the power would be there around 8,000 or so. But everyone is different and if that's what you like go for it!
@pauldingwall9600
@pauldingwall9600 19 күн бұрын
The old 1990 zxr250 and cbr250 used to rev really high also.
@Kevin-xz4jq
@Kevin-xz4jq 20 күн бұрын
Ninja is 40 lbs lighter.
@MotorSport_Nick
@MotorSport_Nick 20 күн бұрын
Also has 50 less hp tho
@MonicaHolly143
@MonicaHolly143 20 күн бұрын
It better be because the cbr will blow past it after 40mph
@wolfpackpete6408
@wolfpackpete6408 19 күн бұрын
​@MonicaHolly143 the 650 isn't geared or tuned for top speed. They both have a very similar top speed. The biggest difference is torque lower in the revs. If the 400 is screaming, it will pretty much keep up
@MonicaHolly143
@MonicaHolly143 19 күн бұрын
@@wolfpackpete6408 no one is talking about top speed here
@wolfpackpete6408
@wolfpackpete6408 19 күн бұрын
According to the Honda and Kawasaki websites it's only a 9kg (20 lb) difference. The steel frame of the Kawasaki has it just 2kg lighter than the 600rr, but the 650 has a steel frame
@ThyKibile
@ThyKibile 14 күн бұрын
Hey man! Love the video. I live here in SWFL, in fort myers. I have the exact same bike as you and I’d love to know who did all the upgrades for you? I’d like to do some if not all the ones you did. I’d really appreciate it
@KirkKreifels
@KirkKreifels 14 күн бұрын
Hey mate. I did all the upgrades myself. Lots of KZbin videos for DIY installation
@ThyKibile
@ThyKibile 12 күн бұрын
@ I appreciate the reply! I’ll have to check some out. Ride safe man✌🏽
@bashirsfar3825
@bashirsfar3825 20 күн бұрын
I just rode the Honda yesterday and that bike was HEAVY for a sports bike. Having that bigger i4 mounted high up make it a mammoth to maneuver at low speeds. I have yet to ride a ZX4RR yet though
@KirkKreifels
@KirkKreifels 20 күн бұрын
ZX-4RR is easy to maneuver at low speeds. Turning radius isn't that great though
@joseph9556
@joseph9556 20 күн бұрын
The cbr looks and feels more mature and refined. Sure its a bit heavier but that also comes with a larger rear tire. During longer highway rides the extra weight feels better planted and where i live it gets windy so i feel more at ease about my bike not getting blown over
@midnight_purple5835
@midnight_purple5835 8 күн бұрын
I was testing the 650r e clutch and zx4r, but I like the zx4r more than the 650. The 650 has a jerky throttle, and the weight is too heavy for me.
@DundeMan
@DundeMan 20 күн бұрын
Perfect comparison thanks mate
@KirkKreifels
@KirkKreifels 20 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it.
@Kevin-xz4jq
@Kevin-xz4jq 20 күн бұрын
What i dont understand is, in the 1990s, we had 400cc inline 4 sportbikes (vfr400, fzr400rr, etc) and they all weighed 350(ish) pounds. It is still my favorite genre and size of sport bike. Really like the Miata of bikes. Kawasaki using cheap and heavy materials for this bike and making it 400+ lbs is a bummer, to me. Hopefully it sells well and yamaha or honda make a competitive bike that weighs much less.
@Bristecom
@Bristecom 20 күн бұрын
I find it's around the ideal weight. Being a little heavier makes it more stable for the highway but it's still lightweight. The steel frame makes it a tad more compliant and durable vs an aluminum frame. You can tell they clearly put a lot of thought into the frame design and everything on this bike to make it the all-around best compromise sport bike for the road.
@garboi8976
@garboi8976 20 күн бұрын
@@BristecomI wouldn’t say that. They definitely saved money going with a steel perimeter frame rather than aluminum. Steel frames have 0 benefit over aluminum except cost. That’s why the more expensive you go, the more common you see aluminum frames. I gladly would have spent $1000 more and gotten a zx4rr with an aluminum frame that only weighed 390lbs.
@Bristecom
@Bristecom 20 күн бұрын
​@@garboi8976 This is an old debate. Many very expensive European bikes like Ducatis and KTM's use steel trellis frames, even some Moto GP bikes used them until recently switching to a carbon monocoque design! I recall often hearing very experienced riders preferring the feel of steel over comparable aluminum framed bikes. Aluminum is not even always much lighter because steel can be made thinner due to its strength. On a race bike, sure, if it's a very carefully designed aluminum frame, you might have some slight advantages in weight and rigidity but for the street I'd prefer to save some money and have the slightly extra compliance and durability of steel. And again, the frame on the ZX-4RR is a very well designed trellis and not just some simple tube frame. The 600cc class of supersport bikes is basically the aluminum framed ZX-4RR if that's what you prefer. I do wish this bike had fully adjustable forks though.
@garboi8976
@garboi8976 20 күн бұрын
@@Bristecom I get what you’re saying, but also there’s a reason an MT09 weighs nearly 70 pounds less than the Z900. Yes the Z900 has 1 more cylinder, but the major factor is the frame. How does Aprilia make their RS660 weigh less than every other bike in its class by a good margin while having more technology? An aluminum frame. Steel frames *can* be cut down because of their rigidity, but they almost never are. That’s my point. Not saying the ZX4RR has a bad frame, just saying I wish it was aluminum. The whole spirit of the bike I think would be enhanced with an aluminum frame.
@Bristecom
@Bristecom 20 күн бұрын
​@@garboi8976 There's no way there's 70 lbs difference in the frame! At most it's usually just a few lbs unless you're comparing a very poorly designed steel frame with a top of the line aluminum frame, but in that case, a top of the line steel frame would weigh less than a poorly designed aluminum frame. The Z900 has a bigger cc 4 cylinder engine, a bigger wheelbase/overall size, and other factors that add the weight up compared to the smaller cc 3 cylinder, smaller sized/wheelbase MT09. A better comparison would be Aprilia's new aluminum framed RS457 that weighs 385 lbs wet, while the steel framed Ninja 500 weighs 375 lbs wet, despite both having the same size engines (2 cylinders with only 6cc difference). The difference in choice has more to do with the desired stiffness than weight. If you want a very stiff and knife-edge feeling chassis, then a good aluminum one is preferred, but if you want a tad more compliance which can make it a little more forgiving, and a little less buzz through the chassis, and more durability from impacts and flex wear over time, steel is the better choice. Why are coil springs always steel (or titanium) and never aluminum? Not saying aluminum is bad but it's just not an all-around upgrade that many people seem to think it is.
@jesVenture
@jesVenture 18 күн бұрын
the last thing that CB has the advantage over zx4rr is it is easy to make change oil and sort of maintenance. why? you don't need to remove fairings 😅
@KirkKreifels
@KirkKreifels 17 күн бұрын
The ZX-4RR doesn't require to remove the fairings. Just a couple pins
@itreat2016
@itreat2016 20 күн бұрын
Are you planning on reviewing the new DRZ and do a ride comparison between the old and new one? Your reviews definitely help understand differences.
@KirkKreifels
@KirkKreifels 20 күн бұрын
I'd love to buy the new one!
@cvflyboy
@cvflyboy 20 күн бұрын
I was looking at these two bikes the whole time. Really wanted the 650 but i believe the pre flash 4rr would be a better beginner bike to grow into. Plus , i got a really good deal. $9600 OTD on the 4rr ktr.
@KirkKreifels
@KirkKreifels 20 күн бұрын
GREAT DEAL
@MrSkyentist
@MrSkyentist 19 күн бұрын
I'd own a cbr650r if they weren't so heavy. Honda has been lazy with making changes on it and right now (aside from the e-clutch I don't care about) it's just a bit long in the tooth. If they had it's wet weight down at like 420lbs or so then it would be an awesome bike and even compete more with the Aprilia rs660, the triumph triples, or the new cfmoto 675. Right now it's just pretty boring and a bit too heavy.
@lovingmylifeasIage6741
@lovingmylifeasIage6741 20 күн бұрын
Have you thought about going up one tooth in the rear? I've had a thought of doing it but I'd like to see someone else do it first.
@JoseMedina-gf4cu
@JoseMedina-gf4cu 20 күн бұрын
Love both of these bikes
@americandude3825
@americandude3825 20 күн бұрын
You’ll be blown away by how great the Versys 650 and 1100 are for sport tourers.
@ZephyrrYT
@ZephyrrYT 20 күн бұрын
Have you had an oil issues? I've been seeing quite a few with oil leaks or a blown motor on these bikes.
@KirkKreifels
@KirkKreifels 20 күн бұрын
Not yet. I'm around 300 miles on the clock but I'll change my oil soon. Have the oil and filter already
@erniel3034
@erniel3034 19 күн бұрын
@@KirkKreifels What only 300mi and already flashed & ripping it 👍 I had a 23 ZX-4RR and sold it........... (to buy a 24 ZX-4RR 😉).
@mohammed7423
@mohammed7423 20 күн бұрын
Honda cbr600rr 2024 is a nice bike
@alexnutcasio936
@alexnutcasio936 11 күн бұрын
4RR is double the price of the Ninja 400. Better off getting a Ninja 400 and another bike like a GROM and enjoying life a bit.
@DovahDiaz
@DovahDiaz 19 күн бұрын
Is it legal to flash?
@Black_Drako
@Black_Drako 20 күн бұрын
The CBR is a lovely bike. But its not as sportier as the Kawasaki. Its more a touring bike. Different bikes.
@mattingray5651
@mattingray5651 20 күн бұрын
The ZX-4RR is a lot more unique than the CBR650.
@lllflamelll8321
@lllflamelll8321 14 күн бұрын
Zx4rr should be compared to a ninja 400 or an R7. Ninja 650 vs cbr650 is a better comparison
@lllflamelll8321
@lllflamelll8321 14 күн бұрын
Unless you’re comparing inline 4 I guess
@JoeBleaux69
@JoeBleaux69 20 күн бұрын
I saw a video of someone in Thailand or something with a new cbr400
@byhsu6140
@byhsu6140 20 күн бұрын
I like the red on that CBR650R. I would probably get the Honda. I just love the color Red on that bike.
@Bristecom
@Bristecom 20 күн бұрын
Red is my favorite color for sports cars/bikes. I've always had red cars and always wanted a red motorcycle BUT the ZX-4RR was clearly the best bike for me and the 40th anniversary looked very good in person so I bought it! It's weird cuz I'm not a big fan of just green or just blue bikes but this green, blue, and white retro style combination looks so cool IMO, especially with the green wheels!
@adrianw3985
@adrianw3985 19 күн бұрын
No replacement for displacement, the torque is nice from a bigger engine.
@ellwoodwolf
@ellwoodwolf 18 күн бұрын
Because you are a KZbin content creator, if it was something you were quietly riding for years, this wouldn't have been the choice. this is the same price as a z900......
@goldfish8196
@goldfish8196 19 күн бұрын
Did not understand why you didn't compare with the cbr600rr .
@christosswc
@christosswc 20 күн бұрын
I guess the perfect scenario would be having both the zx4rr and the R7 in the garage. Though I just can't get past how cool the R7 looks. Yamaha has brought all of it's R bikes in line with the latest facelift to the R3 but somehow the R7 just stands out and looks so streamlined and aggressive. Ultimately I am going for neither of these in 2025, it's gonna be the R3 for me, that's the level of performance I will allow myself on modern streets. I'm with you on this one though, credit to Honda for being the first one, I think, to tame the inline 4 and try to make it approachable and streetable for the masses. Alas, that's still too much performance and too much oooomph in order for it to rev out.
@NoToBigBro
@NoToBigBro 11 күн бұрын
You do realize you are going to have to do a review on R9.
@seekingtruth8074
@seekingtruth8074 19 күн бұрын
The gsxr600 is a way better and way faster bike than that beginner bike you are riding and my wife's 2024 gsxr600 revs to 15,500
@aesoundforge
@aesoundforge 20 күн бұрын
Funny I was seriously considering the Honda as well. I think I would have been happy with either but glad I bought the Kawasaki! Most appealing thing to me was that it winds out to 16,000rpm and you have to work for the power. its very entertaining.
@pointydeity4865
@pointydeity4865 20 күн бұрын
In the world beyond the borders of Florida, there are "mountains". They're kind of like gigantic landfills that aren't made of grabage. There are curvy roads affectionately known as "twisties" that traverse these "mountains". When piloting a vehicle in these "twisties", the operator is likely to be able to extract greater performance and joy from a lighter vehicle than they would from a more powerful but heavier vehicle that is less agile and slower during "cornering".
@KirkKreifels
@KirkKreifels 20 күн бұрын
Haha but the CBR torque has to be nice for hills
@kencai6803
@kencai6803 20 күн бұрын
I was thinking about to upgrade my 500R to 650R e-clutch, but after I saw Honda named the 400RR, I'll rather wait for it to see if is coming to the States, it would be so exciting to have a 400cc 4 cylinders screamer from Honda! But if is not coming to America then 650R e-clutch would still be my first pick.
@AST4EVER
@AST4EVER 20 күн бұрын
12:00 CBR 650R ✅ What else could we buy for a little bit extra..?? Ninja1100✅✅
@DavidBaird-ju8qt
@DavidBaird-ju8qt 20 күн бұрын
The 40th anniversary zx44rr beautiful bike it screams great note of it
@johnnyhun1
@johnnyhun1 20 күн бұрын
its just silly comparing this 2 bikes and saying which is better or worse... I own a cbr650r and rented out a zx4rr for a day, you can't say one is better than the other, because they are completly different. But if you really want to make a difference in powerwise forget the horsepower, its the torque. The cbr has double the torque and it pulls like hell, compared to the zx4rr. But still, the zx4rr is good because you really have to work for keeping it rolling in it's highest power state, and a more agile pocketrocket, meanwhile the Honda is much roomier, pulls better, easily reaches the top speed, you don't really have to work too much. Anyway, I am getting a ZX4RR as a second bike because it's also super awesome, just like the CBR650R
@KirkKreifels
@KirkKreifels 20 күн бұрын
Cheers mate. Is your first bike the CBR 650r?
@johnnyhun1
@johnnyhun1 20 күн бұрын
@@KirkKreifels yea, my very first bike actually. Never ridden anything before, but I wouldn't consider it a good starter bike because you can get into trouble very fast as it's really powerful for a new rider :D
@luiscardozo0000
@luiscardozo0000 20 күн бұрын
no need much torque its not a truck is a bike you re not towing
@johnnyhun1
@johnnyhun1 20 күн бұрын
@@luiscardozo0000 well jumping back to the CBR650R after the ZX4RR the double torque felt really refreshing and fun :D
@xorbe2
@xorbe2 20 күн бұрын
Have both, selling the zx4rr, the cbr650r is a better general purpose road bike. Hard decision though. Zx4rr is more whiz bang and more cool, but the larger 650 just has more grunt at any rpm. I heard your zx4rr rpms warble in this video, i really don't like the rpm hunting at steady throttle.
@johnnyhun1
@johnnyhun1 20 күн бұрын
the zx4rr has much more grunt sound than the cbr
@xorbe2
@xorbe2 20 күн бұрын
@johnnyhun1 I prefer the mechanical sound of the cbr over the zx4rr intake noise, personal preference obviously
@KirkKreifels
@KirkKreifels 20 күн бұрын
It doesn't hunt rpm at steady throttle. You may be referring to the bumps in the road. Post flash, the throttle is so sensitive that hitting small bumps moves my hand enough to change rpm slightly
@johnnyhun1
@johnnyhun1 20 күн бұрын
@@xorbe2 intake noise is still a real mechaincal sound. Those aftermarket exhaust pipes are the clown things, that is not real sound, because it's not an engine related sound to me. Different type of pipes different sound, that's not "natural"
@johnnyhun1
@johnnyhun1 20 күн бұрын
and I noticed that the ZX4RR has much more sensitive throttle, you twist it a bit and it starts pulling, in the CBR you twist the throttle and nothing happens, you have to twist more to start rolling. I usually brake with my 2 finger and other 3 finger is on the throttle for grip, and when I was heavy braking with the zx4rr my hand slipped always and made the bike to both accelerate and deaccelerate :D With the CBR I had no problem like that due to the huge deadzone with the throttle even when my hand was slipping
@ChowC67
@ChowC67 20 күн бұрын
Can the zx4r be a starter bike
@KirkKreifels
@KirkKreifels 20 күн бұрын
Yup. It's just very expensive for a starter bike
@jimpanzer07
@jimpanzer07 20 күн бұрын
ZX4RR for the fun factor😎
@duanestiles4821
@duanestiles4821 20 күн бұрын
I think the Kawasaki sounds great but it just depends on the buyer and what they want either bike is fine I’m sure
@NotNowCato1254
@NotNowCato1254 20 күн бұрын
Looks like we're in Botsville, Arizona 🙄
@DavidBaird-ju8qt
@DavidBaird-ju8qt 20 күн бұрын
I had 2016 gsxr600 traded for the zx4rr 40th anniversary had a z900 before that ninja 650 and 300 ninja first all within two years
@xorbe2
@xorbe2 20 күн бұрын
Zx4rr tach is dishonest, it's only 15100. Cbr650 was raised to 13000 in '23 iirc.
@Majeroll
@Majeroll 20 күн бұрын
Zx4rr any day😊
@allnighterist
@allnighterist 20 күн бұрын
I didnt know this guy is also a two wheel guy, most videos ive seen from you are about cars.
@KirkKreifels
@KirkKreifels 20 күн бұрын
Cheers! Yeah most of my motorcycle videos don't get pushed to my car viewing watchers. Be safe!
@midlife-crysis
@midlife-crysis 20 күн бұрын
Honda only offering a 1 year warranty! wtf! Do they have no trust in their mechanics?
@Artnahc
@Artnahc 20 күн бұрын
Zx4rr in black over anything. I don't have a bike....yet!
@bobby3914
@bobby3914 20 күн бұрын
Ninja is much sexier
@LeoTheShortGuy
@LeoTheShortGuy 20 күн бұрын
Awesome
@davidlowe4093
@davidlowe4093 20 күн бұрын
Your still laughing! Think you chose the right bike.
@KirkKreifels
@KirkKreifels 20 күн бұрын
And still watch my own video on my riding impressions 😂🤣
@SkyrogueONE
@SkyrogueONE 20 күн бұрын
wtf? your zx4rr more horsepower?see the specs comparison, honda 650r is way faster and has more top end than zx4rr do the math, your just an kawi fan boy
@KirkKreifels
@KirkKreifels 20 күн бұрын
What? Were you watching the same video? I clearly say the CBR 650r has about 40 more HP from the factory than the ZX4rr
@tbn.z900
@tbn.z900 20 күн бұрын
the cbr650r does 220km/h while the kawa does 240 kmh 😉
@SkyrogueONE
@SkyrogueONE 19 күн бұрын
@@tbn.z900 lols you dont watch any cbr vids cbr has more hp than zx4rr and the youll say it only has top speed only 220? and while the zx 240? where the heck did you get that analysis🤣
@SkyrogueONE
@SkyrogueONE 19 күн бұрын
@@KirkKreifels yeah you will grow old faster with tha zx4r or you will eventualy fed up with that bike
@tbn.z900
@tbn.z900 19 күн бұрын
@@SkyrogueONE i asked google about the cbr and from the zx4 i know its 240
@mohammedal-salami8592
@mohammedal-salami8592 20 күн бұрын
As I following you I saw Ninja 🥷 has more engagement to driver than CBR 650
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