KISS Touring with RUSH - What Critics Said in 1975

[@MrGlenspace]

In Geddy’s book he thanks Kiss for treating his band so well. Plus they learned a lot about touring including how to treat opening acts.

[@thewurm9177]

I had never heard of Kiss, but when I saw that Kiss Alive! album cover I bought it immediately. Been a fan ever since

[@audiomover]

That particular album cover was really amazing.

[@bobtillman5769]

Got it for my 8th birthday in 1975! Still a fan til this day!

[@4WDmarshmallow]

Same. It was the first record I ever bought.

[@DF-ee8vt]

Most of the audience heard on "Alive!" was recorded at various Kiss concerts and looped. Producer Eddie Kramer stated that he chose the best audience sounds, edited them together, and used them as a low background bed to give the listener the closest experience possible to being there in person. It was a brilliant idea.

[@kipdoran860]

I saw Rush open for Kiss in Portland Oregon around this time. I remember it as a great concert, I believe it was the Rush Fly by Night tour.

[@barrierjohn6528]

@kipdoran860…Paramount Theater, Portland Oregon. Kiss and Rush. I was there too! Best place ever to see and hear live bands. Festival seating. A great show. Right up front. A buddy actually walked on stage while Kiss was playing. Those were the days. Your post made me happy! I long for those days.

[@Evinruderascal]

I saw the KISS alive tour in Toronto, Ontario. Rush being from Toronto, was not part of it...they started a series of New Year's Eve shows in Maple Leaf Gardens with Max Webster. By 1975, it would have been the Caress of Steel tour, because in 76, they did their 2112 tour which was eternally memorable.

[@agf1219]

I saw Kiss on their 'Dressed to Kill' tour. I saw Rush on their '2112' tour.

[@audiomover]

Wow! Seeing KISS on the Dressed to Kill tour and Rush on the 2112 tour-EPIC! Both bands were at pivotal points in their careers during those tours. I know it's beena while, but do you remember any specific moments or standout performances from either show? I’d love to hear more about what those nights were like! Reading old articles like in this video is all I have LOL.

[@Starman2112ofKings]

Ya and you didn’t have get a second mortgage to afford tickets 🤣🤣

[@SteveSteeleSoundSymphony]

You saw their best tour, imo. A friend of mine saw the Dressed to Kill tour in Houston, and filmed it on 8mm, which I got to watch in the early ‘90s. I later tried to get it from him so it could be transferred to digital, but he had lost it by then.

[@carystorm1863]

​@TheSteveSteele I was gonna say how could he lose something so epic but then I thought about all the things I've lost over the years still so heartbreaking.

[@RICKROCKERTHEORIGIONAL]

Thank you for this. Rush deserves all the post frill

[@LS-uv9gg]

Sadly, I was too young and missed the era of Rush opening for Kiss, but seeing Kiss in 1977 with Cheap Trick, (Lethbridge Alberta Canada) and in 1979 with Loverboy, (Vancouver BC Canada) was absolutely awesome for me, as I totally love both these bands too.

[@ZIG4ZAG20]

Great story-unimaginable to think without KISS there may have never been RUSH. Both LEGENDARY statesmen in the world of R & R, entertainment and musicianship. They were both quite the same in so many ways while also being nothing alike if that makes any sense.🤘🖖✌🎸🥁🎹🎤

[@iancroft1447]

I personally Owe Kiss quite alot: 1st Proper Album I bought with my own money(Kiss Alive), & 1st Show I ever went to(Feb 18, 1977 @ MSG/Led Zeppelin was the 2nd-June 13, 1977 also @ MSG). They(Both) were All I needed to Kick-Start a Lifetime of Going to see Live Rock n Roll. Another Great ep Mr. AM & Rock On Yourself !

[@ericjencson9489]

@@iancroft1447 me too

[@BackyardFlorida]

I've seen Kiss 57 times. They've never let me down.

[@jimilove7773]

I love both! Thanks!

[@Love_Street]

i was in San Antonio and Rush was already big then. i saw Rush headline a large club in Oct ‘75. ( they could’ve done 2 nights easily) Then i saw Kiss a month later Unfortunately Rush didn’t open for them . i’m guessing because they headlined a couple weeks before. Both great shows too.

[@seminolefantodd4736]

Even when a track is overdubbed to make corrections, the playing is still live. Cheap Trick did the same for Live At Budokan. So what? Both are fantastic albums.

[@ronstewart6362]

Rush's documentary ( behind the lighted stage) all the guys including Neil admitted Kiss was a Great influence on them when they were a young band ( Not Musically) but Nobody works Harder than Kiss to put on a Great Show! Rush has Always been my favorite band but I Always loved Kiss. They were the Metal version of the Beatles imo. With a Second to None Live Show.

[@williamhowell9369]

Kiss Alive was my first Rock concert before I went to a rock concert!

[@marksoutherland7225]

I was at the show in Terre Haute 1975…… fifteen years old. An avid Rush fan ever since!!!!!!

[@ganzyjam2602]

I was 10 years old, I owned 5 various albums, my first 5. I bought em from my paper route money. I bought Kiss The Originals a 3 record in one album. It was Kiss, Hotter then Hell, and Dressed To Kill. I burned it out, and don't get me started when I bought Kiss Alive.

[@audiomover]

So cool! Those first few albums must have felt like pure treasure back then, especially after working hard to buy them with your paper route money. I used to save money for records too. My first record was Rock n Roll Over, and it blew my young mind. The Originals is such a cool piece of KISS history-getting three albums in one shot must’ve been mind-blowing! Do you still have those albums, or are they just part of the memories now? Thanks for sharing, and I’m glad the video brought back some good ones!

[@ganzyjam2602]

@@audiomover I have a Kiss trunk I kept everything but that album didn't last I really did burn it out BUT I have all the others Ace Peter Gene Paul era records. Dynasty was my last vinyl purchased.

[@jamesbond4633]

I saw Rush open for Kiss with Rush's original drummer John Rutsey. They were great. Kiss put on a great show but Rush by far was way more musical even before Neil Peart.

[@jerrywoods4066]

Yeah I talked to people at that show and thought rush was ok. But kiss rocked and not just the show.

[@markgrant1302]

John Rutsey left the band mid 1974, Kiss Never toured with the original lineup of Rush. Neil joined the band end of June beginning of July in 1974, did their first show with Kiss in September, perhaps you saw them open for someone else with John Rutsey, but it wasn't Kiss.

[@jamesbond4633]

@@markgrant1302 July 25th 1974 Centennial Hall London Ontario was the last gig John Rutsey did with Rush. Google who the main act was that day. I was in the audience and in the daytime actually went in to Centennial Hall because I worked there and saw KISS come in without their makeup but with monster platform shoes. They were doing pretend WWE wrestling in the middle of the floor. We were sitting at the back of the hall watching and just down from us Rush was sitting there looking like deer caught in headlights. Alex Lifeson, Geddy Lee and John Rutsey.

[@TheChadTI]

WOW. What a rare experience. God bless you!

[@jerrywoods4066]

@@markgrant1302 what ? Neil did interviews about kiss

[@dancahill9585]

Rush has had nothing but great things to say about that tour and how Kiss treated them, and they compare them to Aerosmith, who wouldn't let them soundcheck. Geddy says they learned lessons on professionalism in how to deal with opening acts and how to deal with crew and everyone else from Kiss.

[@ronbossier5705]

Gene n Paul said that rush was the best band that ever opened up for them n pretty much everyone opened up For em

[@kevinmyles6369]

Fun video! Instant like and sub! Kiss got a ton of accusations by people being only image, no great lyrics, very shallow type of band...cuz they were huge mid 70's really.. ton of exposure and success for them

[@danehlers9989]

Early KISS were the best for me. I never bought any of their albums cuz I didn't have too. Everyone else did. I also liked to watch KISS as they stood out from the rest at the time.👍RUSH?? Well I really loved from the get go and when they got Neil Peart there was no looking back!! 👍👍So KISS was my party band as where RUSH were more cerebral and intricate and mystical. ❤ 🤟

[@axxellein]

Huge Angel Fan Luvv The POMP Accents!

[@Daniel-r9r]

In 75 I was 15. The only people that liked Kiss were the little posers . The word was Kiss sucked. But their live show was fantastic. Rush was far more musically appreciated and intellectually thought of. I saw Kiss on their first tour, the stage was bare wooden planks and the only stage prop was a huge candlobra. They rocked hard and Gene's antics were over the top. They made so many mistakes and lost their places a lot but we didn't care that's not what we were there for. They came every year and the show just kept getting bigger and the band got tighter. Rush has always been brilliant.

[@I-Libertine]

in 75, i was 13. Every 18 year old I knew were whispering about this killer group with the makeup and great songs they couldn't stop playing on their 8 tracks in their Z28s. When I bought Hotter than Hell, it felt dangerous --look at that cover--and the music was instantly accessible. Rush? Well, they had a song called 'Working Man', but not very impressive or memorable one way or another. In fact, as Kiss became more popular, I saw that some were more into the 'edginess' and cool factor than the music: hating on a band they used to be crazy for became fashionable. I realized *they were the real fakes, not Kiss. It became a badge of honor to stick with what you knew to be true: this band was fun and had great songs. After Neil Peart really started making his mark on Rush, we all appreciated the musicianship and technical skill--(kinda like that guitarist in high school who wanted to show you how great a guitar player he was: cool, but ultimately self-indulgent and boring for the rest of us). We also knew Kiss had the better songs that would stick with you all day and were *infinitely more fun. Musically simple? I guess. But so what? Years later, I still enjoy those old Kiss albums. Deuce, Strutter, Hotter than Hell, C'mon and Love Me--all still sound as new as they day I first heard them. Other than 2112? Haven't been moved to pull out those old Rush records. And even then, they sound very ...try-hard. And very, very, very old.

[@AndrewGrey22]

Rush was on the Caress of Steel tour, which they called the "Down the Tubes tour", right before releasing 2112 and launched them into greatness.

[@kravin74]

Like your shirt! Coworker gave me the same one for my birthday this year. I'm near the end of the video and I would like to add to the part where people said they couldn't play, well Ace Frehley has been a major influence on so many guitar players of so many huge bands. He very well could have influenced the haters favorite band. Ok one more thing, it's always gotten on my nerves about people calling them sellouts because of all the merchandise! For one the fans, myself included love it and it's not made for people who aren't fans. Second, it's their job! They don't punch a time clock somewhere for a living! And who doesn't want to make more money!? It's kinda like the point! Anyway I was born 5 months after their first album came out and became a fan between Asylum and Crazy Nights albums. If anyone has said it best about the fans love of the band, watch Tom Morello introduction of KISS into the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame!

[@RobertJagersky]

Critics were always putting down the great bands like Rush and Led Zeppelin. Both of these bands grew to be of the best musically and intellectual lyrics. Kiss was only known for their stage show.

[@matthewping6132]

Terra Haute (Hote). I saw them there in the late 80's. I'm a metal head, not necessarily a Kiss fan, so I can't recall which album it was, but their live show was definitely pretty awesome. They had this huge pyramid, awesome laser and light show, pyrotechnics all over the place, really badass. I can't tell you who opened for them, some fairly generic 80's hair band. It didn't suck, but it didn't blow me away either. But yeah, Kiss live is definitely an experience, and they put on a helluva show. Way better than just listening to one of their albums. So, Terra Haute is a minor city, about 75K pop. back then, right on the border of Illinois. There's nothing but 100s of miles of farmland and farm towns surrounding it, except for Indianapolis, which is about an hour further east. Country music is huge here, so rockers and metal heads get pretty starved for anything resembling our kind of music, so Terra Haute will draw huge shows.

[@raymorrow170]

You saw the Hot in the Shade Tour.! It Rocked.! 89. 91.

[@raythackston1960]

KISS and RUSH toured together for 3 years on and off. It was very common and they became huge fans. As a drummer I can not imagine what it was like for Peter Criss to have to follow Neil Peart to the stage. Neil was blowing Peter away every night. I read that Peter never actually thought he was not the better player. All I could do is laugh.

[@johnhrehov4720]

I saw Kiss in Cleveland, Ohio, in June of 1975. Rush was the opening act. I have always wondered if some of that show ended up on Kiss’ Alive LP.

[@Deucealive75]

I'm sure they used at least a couple songs from the Cleveland show. The other cities recorded were Detroit, Wildwood NJ, and Davenport Iowa.

[@johnhrehov4720]

@ Thank you for your comment!

[@billyz5088]

KISS - Rush - ZZ Top - Bachman -Turner Overdrive - Blue Öyster Cult - Black Sabbath - Aerosmith - Ted Nugent - Nazareth - Heart - Uriah Heep - Lynyrd Skynyrd - Boston - Journey (before Steve Perry joined) ~~ all of these bands and more were on bills together at one time or more during mid-70's - sometimes even 4 or 5 bands at a time for an all day festival - good example was Memorial day weekend of 1976 at RFK stadium in D.C. - band line-up: Aerosmith - Lynyrd Skynyrd - Nazareth - Ted Nugent / Aerosmith was headliner but most of us thought Skynyrd stole the show - but all the bands were great - 70's was best for rock music - no doubt in my mind ..

[@keithleeuwen877]

A good one !

[@CincinnatusPublish]

Ace got replaced on Sweet Pain because he wouldn't come back into the studio to re-record the solo, but he played on everything until the studio side of Alive II. I'm sure stuff was re-recorded for Alive! , but I have a problem with Kramer's story when it comes to how much was done only because Casablanca would only pay for two weeks in the studio for them to record, mix, and master a double album.

[@audiomover]

Thanks for this clarification! You make a really good point-Ace was definitely a major part of the band’s sound through most of those recordings, and the situation with 'Sweet Pain' is actually a good example of how things got complicated behind the scenes. I actually didn’t realize just how tight the time frame was for recording Alive!-that really puts things in perspective regarding what could realistically have been re-recorded. I appreciate you adding your insight here!

[@paulthomasbranda7591]

I have 50 Rush shows since MP tour 1981 and 4 Kiss shows since 1979 MSG under my belt. That says it all.

[@raymorrow170]

I have 10 Kiss shows under my belt and no Rush shows.! That says it all.!😮

[@Guitarplayer724]

Says it all? To whom? 😂😂

[@raymorrow170]

@Guitarplayer724 TO Paulthomasbranda. He posted above me.! It's all good paul.!

[@daveytandtheplacetobe7561]

much better articles abound

[@RickNBacker]

That was a surprisingly mild comment regarding Rush compared to some of the things written about them in those early days. The local free music rag on Long Island had reviews of shows with comments like "the reason Rush is big in Detroit is because their music sounds like the factories the kids' fathers work at"...

[@rogereverett4467]

I remember reading many years ago that they used recordings of STYX concert audiences and that there were many overdubs and re-recordings of parts. Whether it’s an authentic live album, well it’s right there in the title, KISS ALIVE! not KISS LIVE. The same with Frampton Comes Alive; not entirely live.

[@billmarshall2536]

You're mistaken thinking that on the early records Peter and/or Ace didn't play on "a lot" of the songs. Peter wasn't replaced until the Dynasty record, their 7th studio album. He left the band after that record. Ace was only replaced on a couple of tracks on Destroyer because he wasn't in the studio.

[@captainbuck5969]

Dressed to Kill has always been a favorite of mine.

[@gridironmayhem4945]

A music critic doesn't like Rush? Color me surprised.

[@gregbecker8446]

jamesbond4633, you couldn't have seen John Rutsey on the drums for Rush after he was already gone. John Rutsey was replaced by Neil Peart before RUSH started touring.

[@MrReplica77]

The fight about peters drum solo was actually from the hotter than hell album, he wanted to incorporate a drum solo during one of there songs I think it was strange ways, he fought tooth & nail but ultimately lost the argument.

[@jeffholt9437]

Great t shirt - where can I get one?

[@DaryllHurst]

there were dates where Kiss opened up for Rush. Look at the tourogrophy,

[@flyingburritobro68]

Nope

[@danlove4270]

8:04 I got a buddy who can’t get past Geddy Lee’s vocals…

[@audiomover]

Apparently when they first hit with "Working Man" on the radio, a lot of people thought it was Robert Plant, probably just because of the high voice. His voice is singularly unique. Thanks for the comment!

[@jerrywoods4066]

Seen rush two or three times. Geddy is definitely not a good singer.

[@prestomattwine]

@@jerrywoods4066What the hell are you smoking?

[@markjohnson4217]

I was a bit late on the Kiss bandwagon. It was 1978-79, I was a 14 yr old looking to rock out and I bought Destroyer because I loved the Marvel comic style of the album cover. I was converted by Detroit Rock City and God of Thunder, but the buzz only lasted about 4 or 5 months. When I soon after discovered Rush, I knew I wanted to be a musician. So Ted Nugent, AC DC, The Scorpions and Kiss went bye bye snd were soon replaced by YES, Zeppelin, Genesis, Gentle Giant and Rush. But Kiss were novel and exciting to a young adolescent, they were like forbidden candy that you knew was bad for you, the songs were mostly pop drivel, propping up the mythos of rock stardom excess. If they had written songs with more of the Alice Cooper creepy crawly themes ; psychosis murder and alienation and staged a theatre of the macabre as Alice did, they would certainly have had more miliege and would have left more of a mark on the legacy of dark metal, death metal, and hardcore. But they would not have had the mainstream appeal and would have found themselves outdone and overshadowed by Iron Maiden, OZZY, and Metallica, who clearly had more of a handle on the darker side of hard rock. Kiss had a creepy demon as a bass player who spewed blood and breathed fire, but the other three were just guys in cute make-up, you can't write scary songs when your drummer is a kitty cat! Lol

[@2FRESH-4U]

I got to be honest I never really liked rush until Taylor Park boys That was a huge eye-opener

[@petecarr49]

Because they had a great show people had to look for something negative so they would say they couldn't play. That's nonsense. When you say there were some records where Peter and Ace didn't play on, that didn't happen until Destroyer. There were two songs that Ace didn't play the solo to, that's because he didn't show up not because he couldn't play. Before that nobody replaced any of them on the recordings.Peter did all the drums on every record including destroyer. And including the next two records love gun and rock and roll over. Dynasty was where things started to fall apart for Peter and didn't play on the record except for one song I believe. That's because he had a car accident and couldn't play and he was looking to quit the band anyhow. But in any case, anyone who says they couldn't play their instruments well, doesn't know what they are talking about.

[@markbirchette8740]

I saw Judas Priest open for Kiss as well as Cheap Trick.

[@holysmoke8439]

The drum solo fight was not the live album but a song from dressed to kill

[@SteveSteeleSoundSymphony]

11:23 This is not completely true. Mobile recording companies, even back then often set up audience microphones for the purpose of capturing the audience. I’ve seen it and been involved with this. These mics often double as ambience microphones to capture the both the mix from the PA and the room.

[@raythackston1960]

Kiss did encors with let Me Go Rock & Roll and then Rock & Roll Alnight. So it could have been either one at that point in time.

[@danielkelley7769]

Kiss weren't the first to have a live album break them big, Humble Pie did it 4 years before Kiss. Rockin' the Filmore and of course Frampton did a year after Kiss with Comes alive.

[@lynnhavenmotorcompany10]

KISS put a great show live. But RUSH is where the talent, music, and a great live show is all about. RUSH not impressive? Give us a break!!!

[@mooch514]

Rush was talented. But as boring as watching paint dry.

[@jerrywoods4066]

Kiss had talent. Definitely not on the rush level . But rush went totally boring in the 90s and beyond.

[@lynnhavenmotorcompany10]

@@mooch514 Ignorance can be one's biggest enemy at times. If you like (and I do some) noise, lights, smoke, bombs, Kiss is great for that, if you like jams and great rock...well...Rush!!!

[@mooch514]

​@@lynnhavenmotorcompany10 dont be too hard on yourself! Rush was always talented, but they were boring and nothing to look at visually. Kiss pioneered the live arena shows.

[@mooch514]

All bands fixed up live albums. Kiss alive was recorded in new jersey, wildwood new jersey. All mixed up together.

[@stevenzaioczkowski4135]

63 year's old live in Detroit the best rock and roll audience in the world 🌎 look where that album was recorded now a day's people hardly clap or get vocal for anyone things were different than it is now 😢

[@streamofconsciousness5826]

Buddy went to see KISS, he is probably not going to like RUSH, especially when they were in the Caress of Steel era. There is a story Alex tells of Playing CoS for Paul Stanley on their tour bus, he listened and did not give a favorable review of it. He was probably listening from two perspectives, Radio air play, and them warming up a crowd for them. Caress meets neither bar, RUSH went Prog really quick, they were only a Hard Rock band in the vein of KISS for one album. Huge RUSH fan, but they are not entertainers, they put on a picture perfect Live show which is what we want from them, or is the hole they fill. They are a Music Band not a visual spectacle.

[@darcagis5744]

Actually, Let Me Go, Rock N' Roll was the last song played on the Alive! album, and may actually have been the last song for the set at the time. It was the Alive! album that brought Rock and Roll All Nite to popularity. I do not believe KISS knew what kind of hit they had in 1975. Just a thought from a guy who lived and breathed KISS for a long time, starting in 1976.

[@Gary-ow9he]

This concert was more significant. The newly formed original KISS Army. KISS played Terre Haute the birthplace of the KISS Army. It was Bill Starkey in Terre Haute who was demanding his radio station play KISS. This concert event in Terre Haute was more than a concert. It was a way for KISS to embrace the KISS Army and celebrate it. If you want another newspaper clipping dealing with KISS Alive! you can find the ad online from when KISS advertised the Davenport, Iowa concert in 1975. In the ad they mention they will be recording for a live album. Part of KISS Alive! was recorded in Davenport, Iowa during the two shows they played there in one night. Journey opened for them

[@audiomover]

Great comment-Terre Haute and the KISS Army played such a huge role in KISS’s rise, and it’s amazing how that concert became so much more than just a show. Bill Starkey’s dedication and the birth of the KISS Army is so interesting, I remember seeing those KISS Army inserts in some of the early albums. I’ll definitely check out that ad from the Davenport, Iowa concert-how cool that KISS Alive! was recorded during those two shows, with Journey opening no less! Thanks for the insight and the tip on the newspaper ad.

[@ktall6749]

I can't imagine-"Rush was not impressive."??????????

[@leamanc]

Right? That hardly seems possible.

[@ericjencson9489]

Rush wasn't really big until 1981

[@ktall6749]

@@ericjencson9489 I started listening to Rush in 76-77. They were good then but took awhile to build the audience.

[@ericjencson9489]

@ktall6749 Me too. All the world's a stage was my introduction to Rush. They really weren't big then. I grew up in Cleveland, and WMMS was the first to play working man live.

[@samright4661]

Bill Acoin said KISS had a 4 record deal with Casablanca. If Alive failed he said several record companies wanted to Sign Kiss and promised they would break the band. Peter Criss drum parts wasn’t touched on Alive he’s the only parts that was touched

[@tonycompeau2170]

Kiss fan est. 1977

[@raythackston1960]

They were not in danger of being dropped...Casablanca records was in danger of going bankrupt. If Alive had failed the label would have folded.

[@jefffries3741]

Cheap Trick also broke out with a live album.

[@hulkjelly6876]

Weirder was Bob Seger touring with Kiss.

[@TheDKServices]

I still love Alive 1. I know they overdubbed and cleaned it up (i think most bands do it now) but I think they were the first. I remember some kids in the neighborhood blasting it on a hide away turntable way back when. Do or die for them at the time. The amplified crowd noise (if you play it nice and loud) really does make you feel like you're at the show. Savvy, if desperate, move; this one really put them on the map. Alive 2 sounds like garbage in comparison

[@mikenealon4042]

maybe even a rush fan?!?

[@stevenzaioczkowski4135]

Rush kick kiss in the ass❤

[@markastoforoff7838]

Rush was an amazing band. Kiss? Never was a fan of their music. I mean I guess it's alright if you like fluffy pop metal with no substance, sort of like Motley Crue.

[@breadguysgolf]

Music doesn't have to be serious all the time. Sometimes bands just wanna have fun. These two bands are still close and respect each other

[@TheChadTI]

6:41 Blasphamy!

[@kingslaphappy1533]

Seems like a weird pairing of bands with Rush being much more technical and cerebral.

[@SteveSteeleSoundSymphony]

Faul Stanley. 😂Yeah. lol

[@maxben565]

Shitty critics always gave Rush bad reviews. They couldn't comprehend them. Critics love top 40 simplistic bubble gum garbage.

[@davidellis5141]

Tom Werman wanted to sign both Kiss & Rush but his CBS bosses said no to both.

[@deebop4904]

Fun fact: KISS alive footage/tape was so,horrible, they re-recorded the entire album in the studio, because it in fact, sucked so bad. KISS: we've been lying to our fans since the beginning. Now, the show (was) pre-recorded.

[@bobbykatis]

They rounded out the set with "Let Me Go Rock & Roll" not Rock And Roll All Night. The nonsense that KISS lacked musicality compared to their peers, and that Ace and Peter had ghost musicians throughout, is bs.. Peter didn't play on Dynasty. By Unmasked, he was non existent. But the core first 6 studio albums, it's all him. Ace solo didn't appear on Destroyer for Sweet Pain. But as we discovered several years back, the narrative from Gene n Paul that Ace had a card game to go to, and didn't record a solo, was debunked with the release of Destroyer "Resurrected" including the solo Ace recorded for Sweet Pain.

[@MrRmcconnell]

The first three albums the songs were to slow. On Alive they were played at a much better pace.

[@mariovuksanovic5077]

Why waste our time mentioning Rush...you hardly mentioned them

[@RaymondBCrisp]

Anyone that really thinks Rush sucked opening for KISS should turn to this 1976 show from The Capitol Theater: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKOliI2pmLOFZ5o They kicked ass in a MAJOR way!

[@charlesbronson4282]

KISS ALIVE is 65 to 70 percent LIVE...

[@kingfish3066]

Or maybe even a rush fan. That's where you lost me on this one my friend kiss Rush g I don't know One of those bands could actually play their instruments.

[@binkwood]

This is a great example of people employed as "music critics" not knowing much about music. Whether you like Rush's music or not, anyone that truly knows anything about music would certainly recognize that the members of Rush are far superior musicians to Kiss. Kiss developed an exciting show but their music started out pretty generic and actually got worse over time. Kiss started out as a hard rock band and then when their albums didn't sell they started jumping around with whatever genre they thought they could make money playing (disco, pop, metal) and ultimately it was their theatrics that made their career not their music.

[@allwaizeright9705]

KISS was always about Kabuki Theatrics...No real MUSIC - But a great stage act...

[@roberterwine7650]

KIss had NO MONEY to go into the studio for alive ! its all different live shows put together .

[@adamwatson6916]

Even 1975 Rush were far better live musicians than Kiss were .

[@robertwheatley2471]

I'll never forget 45 years ago returning home on my bicycle from the neigborhood record store after buying Zeppelin IV and KISS Alive and my Dad (RIP) who was from the Elvis and Sinatra era looked at the KISS album cover and said "What the hell is this sh!t???" Lol. I still have those 2 records and probably 100 others in milk crates somewhere..

[@Jo-Ann-d9u]

i heard that Rush turned Kiss out on that tour.

[@martinclayton7260]

Kiss aren't good enough to lick the piss off of Rush's boots!

[@bobmorr2892]

Wow a serious band touring with a clown band

[@jimilove7773]

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[@ericrobertson2024]

Rush portrayed scientists early on,not clowns...That was more Power Windows..."please play this on radio" era.

[@bobmorr2892]

@@ericrobertson2024 Kiss looks like clowns because they are the clowns.

[@ericrobertson2024]

@@bobmorr2892 Yep .Only difference between a cat getting ran over and Rush is the cat wasn't begging radio to play it's poppy, sellout,watered down crap that squirted out during the accident.

[@joedimaggio3687]

​@bobmorr2892 Those Kiss "clowns" as you put it, sold a lot more albums than Rush did.

[@marksulecki5339]

When you're talking about the history of kiss, you're really out of context and your timeline is incorrect. The first Three kiss albums and kiss Alive were nothing but the four original guys. They were not using other guys until destroyer. I know Rush is a great technical band, but I've never been able to get past the awful sound of Getty Lee's voice.

[@AldellezCaputto70]

Music critic is a pointless profession. Music taste is completely subjective.

[@DaryllHurst]

the albums sounded like shit!

[@chelrob2]

Rush good Kiss so terribly awful

[@kokanee2010a]

kiss is and always will be a clown band

[@thereluv168]

Neil had more talent in one hand than all of Kiss.