Kevin Nash plays What If he never left the WWF

[@FOE1980]

I agree with Nash, There is no Attitude without the war.

[@robertgentilejr.5700]

Without a doubt I agree with Kevin. Him and Scott jumping, and Bret Hart were all the foundation of what made the Attitude Era happen. The way Bret put over Austin and then boosted DX (Even naming them, albeit inadvertently) all helped the Attitude Era become a thing

[@Cobane823]

I mean it’s all documented lol I don’t even know how this is even a debate in any sense of the word 😂… it’s not a debatable topic ….it’s factual… Scott Hall n Kevin Nash jumping ship n starting the NWO storyline literally jump started the hottest period in the history of the business

[@Cobane823]

@Kenny Hinz not to that degree like I said this particular jump literally changed the entire business forever leading to record gates ratings and revenues for all companies even the indies like ECW benefited…wwf who never gave gaurenteed money now had to revamp there entire business motto now offering a downside guarantee… no other jump is even comparable 😂 I may be reading this wrong but it seems as though your trying to minimize the significance of this particular jump which is not possible to do so without sounding like a big hater lol …give them their due

[@docholidae4471]

@@Cobane823 wwf/wcw war. Was awesome 😎. Ecw definitely would of been part of that but they didn’t have the money power wwf/wcw had and I honestly rob van dam was the fn show lol. On ecw

[@Cobane823]

@@docholidae4471 ECW definitely benefited from the wrestling boom as well. They were a Indy promotion that not only got on PPV but landed a Television deal because of that wrestling boom . When I was a kid I had the WWF action figures WCW action figures and the ECW action figures as well the the WCW WWF and ECW video games. Imagine that a Indy promotion with action figures and video games PPV and Tv 😂. ECW was definitely an under represented factor in the Monday night wars …not only did the two major companies raid all of their talent lol but literally stole all of their concepts and called it attitude 😂🤣😂… but aye to the winner goes the spoils and history is told by the winners unfortunately…thankfully I got to experience it in real time and I don’t have to just get part of the story from the winners point of view

[@dkres82]

@@Cobane823 yeah idk how anyone could try to debate it.

[@MrLawrenceflowers]

I said it in all my group chats the day Scott died R.I.P to the Godfather of the modern era.

[@briansimerl4014]

Big Kev is right. Kevin and Scott single handedly did create the attitude era along with Biscoff having faith in his invasion angle since he tried it with New Japan a few years earlier.

[@James-if3kc]

He didn't "try it in New Japan". He SAW it in New Japan and blatantly ripped them off!

[@17thN.O]

​@@James-if3kc That's true

[@chadk890]

That's not true actually. What was Paul Heyman bringing to fans?🤔

[@James-if3kc]

@@chadk890 Shit.

[@DmanDice]

They didn't create the attitude era. However, they did create the fire under Vince's ass to do something about losing in ratings. Some companies would have folded.

[@Zeke1379]

Kev and Scott doing that Outsider thing, Bret Hart getting real and pretty much sparking everything in the wwf that was "attitude" and Brian Pillman doing his loose cannon thing started it all.

[@DmanDice]

Also the catalyst for the "Mr McMahon" character. One of the greatest heels of all time.

[@smarkslowplay3512]

Loose Cannon Pillman from 96 on, Loose Canadian Bret from early 97 on and Loose Goose Goldust from 95 on were the catalysts for the gritty cutting edge Attitude Era But of course NWO also influenced Vince & Vince massively

[@dustinray9950]

Hulk was wearing black in late 1995 for a few shows when he was working with Giant. However I do agree with this take him & Scott jumping & forming nWo there would have been no dx or attitude era.

[@sobbyhasselhoff]

I'm kevin is glad you agree

[@rm9615]

Hogan’s ‘95 black run may as well have never existed, with what zero impact it had on the industry. In fact, it’s amazing that Hulk was convinced to take another stab at it despite that original failure.

[@blocc316]

He was right about everything except Taker becoming a biker in the atti Era... UT became a biker in 2000 at Fully loaded when it was during the Ruthless aggression Era

[@shadowangel2235]

@@blocc316 Wrong. 2000 was still Attitude Era. The Ruthless Aggression Era was officially announced by Vince McMahon at the Raw episode from June 24, 2002.

[@blocc316]

@ShadowAngel still at 2000 atti was kinda fading ... but saying Taker turned biker because of the Attitude Era is false .. Taker was still Deadman from 96 till 98 and 99 *Becoming* ministry Taker ... UT was basically the only A list champion caliber wrestler who kept Kayfabe

[@rainier4258]

I think a lot about how Kev always said in those interviews that one of the main reasons he jumped ship was because he had a baby coming and wanted guaranteed money. In a very roundabout way it was actually Tristen's mere existence that completely changed the wrestling business, not just by virtue of the eventual creation of the nWo which leads us into Attitude, but also just in the business sense. Tristen's birth kind of leads us into the way everyone makes their money now.

[@jonesjones3678]

Wild, isn't it? More you break it down and layers you peel back and what it comes down to. Good call, BROTHER! LOL

[@nigel1823]

Then you’ve been misled Simply he wanted more money Look what that whole group of greedy back stabbing characters done to that company and wrestling business

[@rainier4258]

@@nigel1823 LOL! Get off the internet Vince.

[@jonesjones3678]

@Nigel easy there, Champ. Sounds like you need a Snickers.

[@hunterironside9969]

Good Insight bro.

[@docholidae4471]

I’m one of those fans that watched both shows switching channels every couple of minutes from u.s.a to tnt. Kevin nash is right the attitude came from the outsiders and then Shawn and hhh. Formed dx. Then Austin started. So yeah. Attitude was fn insane. You could not miss a episode it was the talk in school every Monday every Tuesday. Great time in wrestling for everyone all ages We’re stuck on wrestling If. Nash and hall did not leave. It prob Would not have happened the way it did.

[@toshoshi1551]

Bro in 97 I barely switched from WCW. It was so good.

[@tonshaad1230]

The "attitude" came from Vince Russo stealing ECW's "extreme" stories and implementing those to the WWF. The WWF still didn't change until 1998; specifically, April 1998.

[@docholidae4471]

@@tonshaad1230 outsiders beating up wcw was gang related style that’s when it started Vince Russo had to step up,For wwF ,writing Attitude related stories. So yeah no your wrong 😑. Real attitude started in wcw. Wwf attitude started after between those to company’s Vince Russo “started writing out the box. But that would had never happened if Vince McMahon didn’t get out classed by who ? New world order. Get it ..

[@Geezy209_]

Same I use to do the same I would go back and forth depending on who was wrestling at that moment

[@vandamwtc]

I think ECW was the inspiration, but the true "mainstream" start was the Goldust character. That was off the charts for the time and was the first storyline and character to REALLY tread into uncharted water.

[@Usernamesweresrsbsns]

the more i listen to kev the more i love him. def a 100% transparent person.

[@docholidae4471]

Kevin nash was a favourite of mine growing up as kid I was so mad when he lost to taker and left. Then he showed up with Scott hall on wcw

[@Usernamesweresrsbsns]

@Kenny Hinz yeah you're right, it's a rough characteristic to deal with at times. I get so annoyed with people that make you feel like y you're wrong even when you're agreeing with them.

[@Usernamesweresrsbsns]

@@docholidae4471 yeah I was really bummed out when they didn't book him for Summerslam 03 even though Jericho and Nash had am arc and they even included that arc in their promo videos. It was kind of my reason for going to Summerslam they kept making it seem like he'd be apart of it.

[@ROCKNINJA777]

LMAO

[@duhsasjekirom555]

@@docholidae4471 me to man!!! I was sooo angry!!! 😅

[@bradleyrobinson7552]

Yep, Diesel and Razor Ramon were headliners in WWE; when they left to go to WCW, it was massive!

[@VSEntertainment1]

Attitude era really started because of Scott Hall and Kevin Nash, those 2 guys always had attitude in an era and business where nobody had that "attitude" factor. They gave the product believability and realness, they are the first ones that made the product feel badass.

[@nigel1823]

Nope Vince McMahon

[@popeyedoyle6360]

I think Bret turning heel and his feud with Austin was the beginning of the attitude era but some of Diesel's work definitely is pre-attitude. The "attitude era" to me is just WWF catching up with ECW if you really look back at it. ECW 95-96 was way better than any promotion at the time and definately more intuned with what wrestling fans actually wanted, and also the use of licensed music really helped.

[@chadk890]

Attitude Era started in ECW

[@DmanDice]

@@chadk890 Its hard for people to know this since it was such a niche program at the time. Early to mid 90s correct? I remember catching it at night up north.

[@AaronLesterMedia]

Well I'm happy you left. It created the most incredible era in pro wrestling history. Thank you.

[@hunterironside9969]

No Outsiders means no monday night wars, means no attitude era... period.

[@dejanjuhanovski9504]

no hulk hogan no n.w.o .at least the whole thing wouldn't be as successful without hogan.the real shoker didn't come until hulk hogan became a heel

[@davejohnston5479]

For me, Scott Hall was the best thing in the NWO. I lived for his promos. I loved Nash, and he was my mom's favorite wrestler, but I was a die hard Hall fan through and through. I loved him as Razor Ramon, loved him as himself.. I was, and always will be a mark for that man. He was what got me tuning in to WCW in the first place. I LOVED what he and Nash did. I loved their promo style. And I think they absolutely started the attitude era. It changed the game in such a good way.

[@kylemcgill2966]

I think they would of came together and stopped Stone Colds push.

[@856rips]

Facts though, Kevin needs to see this and respond lol

[@Coach_Ace1]

Kevin and Steve are close friends. So that’s pretty unlikely lol. They were friends dating back to their early WCW days.

[@kylemcgill2966]

@@Coach_Ace1 that was after

[@hooskerdoo3130]

Idk if Steve would have gotten anything he got if Scott and Kev stayed. I doubt DX would have started as they were the answer to the nwo. Oh and wrk wise everyone would still be getting the shaft as far as pay no guaranteed contracts.

[@davidhunt3689]

No Austin 3:16 without HHH being punished by not winning KOTR. It's all a giant Butterfly Effect.

[@allencollins5666]

Returning To WCW Was Inevitable. Kevin Nash Got InstantlyOver When He Went Back To WCW. Plus He Drew.

[@realtalkfbs]

Kev's right! They changed the business!

[@B5s4]

:05 “it just shows to go ya, man”. Hahaha. Gracias Mr. O.

[@thelatman9397]

As soon as Kev & Scott went to WCW, the business changed for the better. Like he said, where is the attitude coming from. The 90s were the best wrestling product. Never been topped since. I dont even watch it anymore.

[@theofficialgreenkane]

Can you imagine if DX was HBK, Triple H, Nash & Hall. Would've been the COOLEST shit ever

[@gothot50]

they shoulda formed The Kliq in wwe with the 4 of them and kid after they returned as nWo and hogan turned after mania

[@stevejamieson8468]

​@@gothot50 Triple H was white hot as a face at that point, not sure how they could have done a heel turn at that point

[@indiarocks5731]

Because of nwo dx happen

[@gothot50]

@@stevejamieson8468 i dont remember H being a true babyface but i rememebr him being white hot and so to me regardless that makes it even better. turn him and put them all in feuds wit rock hulk austin lesnar y2j taker and the rest of the faces and goldberg when he came back etc. then when its run its course jus flip hbk and hhh back to faces. then u got hall nash vs hbk hhh feuds . only thing holding it back woulda been scotts health rip

[@stevejamieson8468]

@@gothot50 When he came back from his quad injury, he came back to a conquering heroes welcome at MSG in Jan of 2002. He was loved by the fans and his victory at WM 18 had secured that. He was the honorable, take no nonsense kind of face where he would let you know he was going to try to take you apart but was going to try to do so fairly. That is why he was so despised from the 2nd half of 2002 onward when he turned heel to set up the match with HBK at that year's summer slam. I do not disagree with you, I am just explaining why him turning heel after WM 18 would be hard to do. The way I always thought they have done it was that if WWE had honored their contract with Scott. Have Scott take time off after WM with a kayfabe injury but they bring in XPac and Big Show. HBK eventually joins but around Summerslam Scott returns and HHH joins. Big Show would be kicked out of the group which would create the Kliq faction.

[@jonesjones3678]

Didn't know how much I needed Nash doing a Joey Diaz impression. I'm sure it wasn't his first time doing one but it was my first time experiencing it! Lol

[@michaelaker1621]

Post-Survivor Series 95 Diesel was cutting more edgy promos and flipped off Undertaker at the Royal Rumble. They would’ve definitely been more edgy but probably not full 1998. I see it as similar to around Wrestlemania 13.

[@joen8529]

Scott and Kevin’s jump was the biggest thing to ever happen in wrestling. There is no argument against that.

[@chancebaraks741]

It’s crazy how so many “fans” blame Kev for WCW downfall when it was more so the bosses and others. Like Kev said though without him and Scott leaving we don’t get the attitude era because they have no need to become edgy to compete. The whole Kliq is basically responsible for what wrestling became and still what the pillars of this era stand on.

[@samuelwoods164]

Yeah he wasn't responsible for it's downfall.... But played a huge part in it's programming dropping in quality... I dare say if it hadn't gotten so bad it may have continued to be an attractive business that would have easily found investors and another network for it to continue to run as a business and still have two huge companies for the last 22 years... Which may have even kept the quality of WWF up having competition.

[@regularstan6212]

Respect TO KEVIN NASH!

[@SharmutaCartel]

It was ECW in Philadelphia that started the attitude that spread to the WWF and WCW

[@jabronisauce6833]

In some sense yes but no really as it wasn't untill WCW done it did it really affect anything but yes WCW would have got it from ECW but they molded it to reach a bigger audience and to be on TV while ECW would have thrown your granny of a balcony for attention lol

[@kylemcgill2966]

Yup. I heard Shane had a big part in their influence too.

[@russphilbrook9719]

Yeah but to kevs point they helped too the nwo changed the industry the original nwo for clarification not when most of the roster was nwo lol

[@WickedClownCarnival]

WWF had to copy ECW to beat WCW. WCW only did it after it was working for WWF. I wonder if there wasn't the ratings war, would the ECW style spread organically or not?

[@RJC2-t8u]

If Kevin and Scott never left there's no Stone Cold, Undertakers probably loses at mania in the 90's.

[@sassytroy8282]

I wonder if Hall and Nash had of stayed in WWF if he would have beaten Undertaker at WM so they could feud after. Thus ending the streak. Razor would have stayed mid-card and probably fought Austin. Bret would have left for the time he did and probably went for the title against either Shawn or Diesel. Maybe Taker wins it again earlier than WM 13. Meanwhile Hulk and Savage fight Dungeon of Doom for a year and Sting teams with Luger against maybe Harlem Heat. Nothing changes but money lessens and wrestling dies slowly.

[@ronsilvia8127]

That definitely changed the industry and made it the strongest it ever was for both Wcw and Wwe .A great time for wrestling and the fans. 👍👍👍✌️✌️✌️🤘🤘🤘

[@northleedspoppa]

Really wcw was awful for majority of its run and lost money every year but one

[@ronsilvia8127]

@@northleedspoppa Nwo was wcw best time.

[@tommymcdougall6563]

Holy shit. Just stumbled upon this. I used to see this dudes interviews like 10 years ago. He looks completely different lol

[@mttzakr23]

Nash and Hall jumping is the single most important event in Wrestling history. Without it, there is no eventual attitude era that follows. Which means there is also likely no D-X and no Stone Cold

[@Webbie2689]

Love what Kev had to say about Hogan here. Also love the Joey Diaz impression.

[@rm9615]

There’s no question to be had. This is as obvious as obvious gets. I do have to say though it would’ve been interesting to see more of Razor Ramon. That character still had tons of story to be told.

[@CONCERNEDcitizenforever]

🪦RIP🪦 RAZOR RAMON 1992-1996

[@michaelmclaren1333]

I've already heard hogans early nWo promos were HEAVILY edited for tv because he didn't know how to cut a heel promo. Kinda like how Scott was doing the Cuban accent for 5 years so it was hard for him to drop it in wcw

[@ROCKNINJA777]

it's not that it was hard for Hall to drop it. He simply retained his character for a while (and then stopped due to legal reasons)

[@michaelmclaren1333]

@@ROCKNINJA777 it wasn't dropped as fast as kofis accent lol he just stopped doing it mid promo. 3h said "aren't you supposed to be Jamaican"? Lol

[@dsus9127]

Imo wrestling was pretty stale at that time u guys (nash+hall) going over too wcw brought such a cool vibe back too wrestling ty mr nash for all the great memories podcast is fire keep up the great work................4 life 🤟

[@NomnomJawsnomnom]

Yeah, I can see that line of thinking that Nash directly contributed to the Attitude Era. Nash and Hall jump ship, form the NWO with Hogan. WCW starts pushing WWE's shit in. Vince knows he has to fire back, so here comes sweeping changes to programming which leads to the Attitude era. Hell, Diesel was "Stone Cold" before Stone Cold was.

[@Paul-ob4ln]

A moment that changed wrestling history forever

[@bladerunner805]

When Scott & Kevin left WWF for WCW they saved the business.. May not have been the goal, but what they did was help make two things happen.. 1. Made a 2nd company hot again so all the talent had another option to work at.. 2. Forced Vince to get motivated/adapt his way of thinking & helped everyone in WWF get real downside guarantees that were actually worth.. As for the Attitude Era anyone who says it was a WWF ONLY thing wasn’t watching imo.. Within a two week period in June-July 96’ the nWo was formed & Austin 3:16 was born, both being the biggest things from the Attitude Era without any doubt..

[@larrystilltheeman39]

Scott Hall and Kevin Nash started the attitude era before it was the attitude era. Kevin was especially on WWF. He started showing attitude with his cursing and anger promos about being screwed over. They both went to WCW and started doing more attitude things there with the promos they were cutting. I remember Nash saying..."this is home where the big boys play? We aren't here to play". Plus Hogan promo at BATB ppv. He told the fans,we can stick it brother. WWF copied because what they were doing was working. Had the Outsiders stayed in WWF,no attitude era,still cartoony.

[@Jayfromphilly10]

He’s absolutely right

[@dasupastar4lyfe]

Nash is spot on here

[@KozyKool2287]

I don't think Kev could have stayed in New York. He accomplished everything that an act could in the company at the time. If he stays, Austin, HHH, & Foley stay in the mid-card and Rocky stays in developmental longer and does not debut at Survivor Series. Everything happens for a reason.

[@kevinsmurfgehring3267]

Kevin Nash the most interesting man on KZbin!😄

[@nigel1823]

Not really He’s pretty simple to work out He only ever talks about the past The who that got him there The who who’s still relevant who he must praise to stay in their good book The who to 💩 that people don’t like or who he don’t like

[@joshmccollen700]

As full of shit as Eric is, he's right when he says the "Nitro" era is more appropriate descriptor for that era than "Attitude." Hall and Nash coming to WCW was the biggest inflection point, arguably, in the history of the industry.

[@IvanVikktor715]

So far so good. Love it Nash

[@Rajalord27]

Truth is Kevin and Scott started the attitude era

[@FOE1980]

I cannot find the video of Nash coming as Sting anywhere. Could someone give me a link. Funny as Heck.

[@tommyfraz.]

The real loss and what if. If Brian Pillman hadn’t died, and was healthy. Him and Austin could have had a legendary arc. People still talk about Pillman pulling a gun; and how shocking it was.

[@seangallagher1947]

Wow… That Coco impression is fucking SPOT-ON!! 😂😅🤣😭😭😭

[@TheSilentHeel]

That Joey Diaz impression was impeccable lmao

[@jasoncave4322]

If Nash and Hall don't jump Austin 3:16 never happens, because the curtain never happens and hhh wins king of the ring like originally planned

[@babayagaslobbedaknobba]

There's a lot that might be different. I wonder if Kane would have even existed. Kane was basically created as a need for an opponent for Undertaker.

[@MrBigred1990]

Why wouldn’t he have existed?

[@babayagaslobbedaknobba]

@@MrBigred1990 I stated that in my comment. Kane was only created because they needed a big guy to face Undertaker.

[@MrBigred1990]

@@babayagaslobbedaknobba but are you saying that if Nash had stayed, Kane wouldn’t have existed? Even though Nash faced Taker multiple times before? That’s my point. They still needed Kane (arguably), regardless of whether Nash hung around.

[@babayagaslobbedaknobba]

@@MrBigred1990 dude, he only moved up because the spot opened up. And he only got the Kane gimmick because of his size. Sure, maybe they would've found a spot for Glen Jacobs. But the need for him wasn't there until Nash left.

[@MrBigred1990]

@@babayagaslobbedaknobba that’s an unusual take, but at least you’ve tried to explain it. Have a blessed day.

[@dangxdc8348]

Diesel would have depleted his WWF CHAMPIONSHIP shots. THEREFORE; BIG DADDY COOL turns Razor Ramon heel. Backing THE BAD GUY into pursuing HBK WWF title. WWF SURVIVOR SERIES 1996 has the third ladder match between HBK vs THE BAD GUY for WWF CHAMPIONSHIP with Diesel intervening "THATs MY BELT! GET MY DAMN BELT!!!" THE BAD GUY as WWF CHAMPION with his advocate BIG DADDY COOL ???

[@workingclassrunner]

Think about it also: If Nash/Hall stay and there's no Atittude Era, there's no Montreal Screwjob either, as Bret has no reason to jump and no reason to get fed up with the company's direction.

[@deadaccount7520]

Been saying that for years. I consider the leg drop heard round the world. To be the true start of the MNW and the AE. Prior to that both shows were pretty stale.

[@jspeck686]

That good friends better enemies ppv doesn't ever get any credit for probably being the very first wwf programming to have that attitude era edge before Kevin ever stepped foot in wcw to start the nwo...they fought with a guy's prosthetic leg in the crowd and diesel was nasty but Brett and Steve get every bit of credit I personally think that event was an early taste

[@xilon3]

I give Nash and Hall credits for starting timeline that led to attitude era, but they can't take all the credits for attitude era happening. Also just want to mention, I have lot of respect for Nash and Hall.

[@kikigreathouse4631]

Kev, Love your stuff. Very intellectual and entertaining to listen to. It's great that you have a connection to my home state of TN. Sorry for your loss. Keep it up! Peace be with you!

[@unclelloyd]

The one aspect being overlooked here is ECW. Regardless of what Nash and Hall did in '96, ECW would've still happened the same way, and a combination of Shane McMahon being a huge fan along with Vince Russo likely still getting on the WWF creative team would've pretty well ensured ECW's influence reaching mainstream wrestling in some way. The Attitude Era as we know it may not have unfolded exactly the same, but I highly doubt WWF goes into the new millennium still leaning on the cartoony New Generation Era. Foley had already arrived before Nash and Hall left, and he and Undertaker were just beginning the feud that would initiate the edgier in-ring style that would eventually become the norm.

[@josereyes1148]

Were you a fan then? The point is wwf would not have had a reason to change. If nitro didnt take off (w nwo aka hall and nash jump) wwf WOULD have stayed cartoony. Look at the history. Pre now wwf was cartoony. Nwo kicks their ass. Wwf adapts. Wwf wins.. in years after wcw sale wwf goes back to pg and stops being edgy. Attitude era started as an answer to wcw kicking their ass. The wwf was never going to start Imitating ecw just because.

[@unclelloyd]

@@josereyes1148 Yes, and wrong. But, thanks for playing. 👍

[@josereyes1148]

@@unclelloyd Vince doesn't listen to Shane's ideas now. Like he was going to change the product for no reason and alienate sponsors just because.. your take is really dumb, but go ahead and believe it.

[@unclelloyd]

@@josereyes1148 I'll believe plausible theory versus a dumb internet troll, Joe-Sie.

[@josereyes1148]

@@unclelloyd for someone with limited knowledge of the actual reality of the time, and for someone who likes to spin crazy fan theories, it may be a plausible idea. Sure.

[@richardtorres1]

It just shows to go ya 0:02

[@jeffdorris5321]

There would be no WWE Attitde Era, without WCW, and the NWO. Including Nash, Hall, and Hogan.

[@chadk890]

ECW?

[@orion5813]

wwf*

[@dkquanphillip6671]

Y do these ppl still disrespect Nash like the kliq is the single biggest influence on the business going in that direction Nash is a 🐐 #GOAT and had the brains and is humble as ever True goats

[@SuikodenClive]

I agree. Scott and Kev and the nWo pretty much kicked off the Attitude Era.

[@thefuturist8864]

The biggest question would be about Austin and Rock; Austin’s KotR win in 1996 was the first step towards his eventual superstardom (Austin 316) but if Nash and Hall had still been in WWF who’s to say Austin would have made it to, or past, that point. It’s arguable that Austin became the top guy *because* WCW changed the tone of its product, but that happened as a direct result of Nash and Hall jumping ship (the only others had been much older stars like Hogan and Macho). I think Austin would have made it to the main event. There was something about him that compelled us to watch him. However, whether he’d have transitioned to a face is a different matter. More than anything else, I think Kurt Angle would have still joined WWF (assuming they were still worth being part of in 1999 in this alternate history) and he would have been pushed as the new Hogan (though whether or not it would have been a success is a different matter). Basically, thank Christ Nash and Hall left when they did. Wrestling in the late 90s has never been bettered and it was the WWF that perfected the formula (even if WCW kicked it off).

[@darthsebio1726]

Monday Night Raw became the War Zone & Raw is War..such a difference to what it was & what it is...

[@lockedinnn]

No Streak also.. Nash would have beaten Taker at Mania..

[@upstylo]

Nash has to be one of the down too earth wrestlers ever... gotta love the Joey Diaz reference!! LL NASH!!

[@justrush6743]

I've always thought this, and the Montreal screwjob were the two main incident that started the attitude era.

[@jeff-ds2pr]

True. WCW pushed WWF into the attitude era. If not for that competition, Vince would still be pushing his talent to be garbage men, cowboys, hockey players etc. while pushing his fart and poop jokes to the masses.

[@justrush6743]

​@@jeff-ds2pr haha yeah, went from all that to Mae Young giving birth to Sexual Chocolates hand baby 😂

[@AB-ez4rm]

Which probably wouldn't have occurred had Hall and Nash not left.

[@Weischi]

Austin, King of the Ring '96 was also quite important

[@kckc6578]

The Screwjob is what created heel Vince

[@robduke2982]

Attitude era was directly from Nash and Hall, respect the giant

[@Burger-urger]

Kev wearing his LRG Tshirt . Didn't know Kev was down with the wooden toy

[@joshmccollen700]

Let's remember that WCW in the Spring of '96 had an incredible roster of talent and creative capacity, the Dungeon of Doom angle notwithstanding. The question is whether WCW would have capitalized on it's potential after shifting focus to the adult demo, albeit a far more restrained product than the "Attitude" era in the WWF.

[@jakal911]

Attitude was brought upon when Vince got desperate and wanted to push the envelope. He greenlit everything at that point and pushed for grit and attiutde.

[@horncrownedproductions9675]

Goldust is really what started the Attitude Era.

[@lilypacastsupper8922]

It's a big benchmark when someone played mindgames with the Undertaker and got inside HIS head for a change. I loved that angle.

[@indyphillipconner6252]

New Jack ignited it by slicing Mass Transit that was the birth of the Attitude Era.

[@jayburnham3994]

Its interesting to think about

[@johnboi6916]

The attitude commercials were running sometime in 97 after Austin broke his neck "BUT I STILL GOT UP!!" Bret was in a few I say the area began then .

[@illd2k]

“Shows to go ya”

[@wild360]

All things being equal, Kevin's WCW persona would have been a perfect fit for the WWF Attitude era. Let's say Hall jumps, I can see DX with him, HHH, and HBK.

[@corneliusmaddox3373]

The change over for austin were 95/96. Kevin & scott didnt leave til may 1996

[@Guz1316]

He has a really good point

[@chandlerbays-ms8rt]

The whole reason there was an attitude era was because they left and “the curtain call” happened the whole cartoon shit had to end because of the nwo

[@samuelreese6357]

You know something Kevin Nash, brother....

[@richevans609]

"It just shows to go ya" - Sean Oliver

[@christopherstoecker151]

Summer of 96 was a wild one in many ways so in the fall when I caught wind of how Razor & Diesel were in WCW wrestling under their own names & were with Hogan who had turned heel calling themselves the NWO I jumped back in after not watching for a half dozen years. I had just moved to Vegas & had ringside seats to Nitros & Halloween Havocs and for me personally there was zero chance that happens without Scott & Kevin making the move. Those 2 were the guy's that set things in motion

[@blocc316]

He's right about everything on 1996 except Undertaker.. Undertaker was still a Deadman all throughout the Atti Era... UT didn't turn biker until 2000 when attitude Era was evolving Into ruthless aggression

[@majinsnake]

@@blocc316 He should have stayed his original character. Not had went with the biker look. Sure riding a bike around the ring was cool, but his new look did not hold on.

[@blocc316]

@@majinsnake true it only lasted 3 years I call that a 3 year break as everyone need some sort of refreshing.. I only like the big evil character a *bit* . But you know the old saying , when you're gone for a while, people miss you and when you return well you know the rest

[@ilcollins871]

Can't forget Bret. The reality of his attitude really was the final spark.

[@R2B2YT]

not that im anything cuz im not but for years ive waved the outsiders, nwo flag that if things had turned out differently it is called the nwo era, not the attitude era.

[@ezza-and-friends]

There move was best thing to happen to wrestling it's just ashame wcw couldn't keep up with the war

[@veteranstrength4760]

That’s a great Freind in Kevin Nash that’s how you do it sir 🫡 always have your friends back.

[@PWNHUB]

Big Daddy Cool would've faded away if he stayed in WWE, on the other hand Scott Hall may have received help he desperately needed much sooner if he stayed. Also, way more room for Razor to grow into some new gimmick style like Undertaker did than Diesel who was just a big MFer and a Trucker.

[@johnsinowitz9090]

Vince McMahon and Bret Hart are the parents to give birth to usher in the attitude era with their whole situation, outcome and changing the whole direction of the wrestling industry. Stone Cold, DX VS the NWO Hogan, Nash and Hall with the Rock and everyone else following suit…

[@Piznick64]

Cool he answered my question

[@PirateDaveZOMG]

That Hall and Nash kickstarted the attitude era is not even up for debate, if you think otherwise you're in the same boat as flat-earthers.

[@anthonybatissa1417]

Makes a good point, the WCW-WWF Competition sparked by (the Outsiders) created the attitude era, otherwise the WWF would have just continued the Cartoon character era of the early & Mid 90's!

[@TheKevinNewsom]

The nWo kicked off the Attitude Era. Plain and simple.

[@UnitedDudesofAmerica]

Nash had one of the first worked shoot promos.

[@HereIsWisdom1318]

Towards the end, i realiized something: Sean Oliver sounds like Al Micheals!

[@joemcneely4322]

There is no Attitude Era without Kevin and Scott jumping and Bret turning heel to help push Austin & DX. Period, the end. Those three set it all off.

[@CGTV100]

To say the least, it would’ve impacted Steve Austin‘s career because without Kevin and Scott, leaving Triple H doesn’t get punished and Austin doesn’t get the king of the ring in 96 which means no Austin 316 promo

[@corneliusmaddox3373]

Austin was the 1st to bring the attitude era starting in 95 under the ring master before he change over 2 stone cold. While kevin n scott were still in wwf as razor & diesel

[@knightmare1015]

I have to agree with Kevin on this one hands down. Bischoff said that long before Hogan and Savage had signed with WCW that Ted Turner came in and was telling everyone that if things did not turn around in the next few months that he was going to pull the plug on WCW and sell it to the highest bidder. Previous management had ran off all of the top talent including Ric Flair to the WWE and ECW. If Kevin Nash and the late Scott Hall had not left, WCW would not have been able to challenge WWE and you would not have had DX or Stone Cold. The Montreal Screw Job would not have happened and about 90 plus percent of the matches would have been bland and boring.

[@benrichards399]

The first hulk did when he was revealed to be the 3rd man is one of the best wrestling promos ever. It was real and raw...brother!

[@thedarkknighttrilogycollec9465]

Hogan's promo at Bash at the Beach was exactly what it needed to be and was a home run. That being said, it's a shame Hogan didn't continue in that vein as soon after he went back to the over the top cartoonish promos which is why you had Hogan being booed and Hall and Nash being cheered as they kept it real.

[@kckc6578]

Hogan’s promo at BAB was epic. He was a great heel but he was more of the old school antagonist heel while Hall and Nash were more of the modern heels. Hogan needed to be that type heel tho in order to make you hate him and want to see guys like sting, Piper, goldberg ect beat him.

[@RG-lr4pk]

They were supposed to be heels.

[@tonshaad1230]

Hogan had to be over the top as a heel because whether or not you wanted to see him or not, you paid to see him get his butt whooped by someone who could potentially dethrone him. He was the perfect foil to Sting, Luger, and the WCW elites just as Piper was a good foil for him.