on the tilt box, the 0,0x rounds 0 or 5.. where the other one has 0-9.. thats why the tilt box looks more stable.. but you are right, if you cant read sideways, its bad.. but then again, nothing a magnet and some ca glue couldnt fix in seconds..
@333rpd2 жыл бұрын
I got my TiltBoxII many years ago. Don't use it often, but when I do, it works. Unlike the other digital tools that I got, and never use because the button cells go dead, the Tilt Box II has a 9 volt battery and lasts a very long time.
@KGallagherGuitar11 ай бұрын
Helpful video thank you. I'm not sure if someone else has already mentioned it, but I think the reason you can't get the red box to go to zero is that it has a higher resolution than the yellow Tilt Box. This explains why the Tilt Box has a more stable reading. Although they both measure to two decimal places, I noticed in the video that the Tilt Box reading goes up at 0.05 degree increments, while the red box goes up at 0.01 degree increments. This doesn't necessarily make the red one more ACCURATE though.
@JosVanWeesel Жыл бұрын
Usually these kind of titles are just clickbait to help get views, but your review on the two different angle finders are actually incredibly useful to know before making a choice. Just one difference (like the side magnets) can set one angle finder apart from another, thanks for all the useful info!
@vtxdaryl11 ай бұрын
These degree tools work perfectly in finding the angle on knife sharpening tools. You can sharpen a knife without them but they tell you the angle you are sharpening at and later you can repeat the same angle. Different knives take different angles to sharpen.
@larrybud2 жыл бұрын
4:29 magnet on the bottom is better because you're always referencing from the same point. Put magnets on the side, and now you're at the mercy of the accuracy of the case being square, unless you remembered to zero it after referencing the side of it.
@MrBobWingard2 жыл бұрын
And you will find that the Beall Tilt Box is perfectly square, so that is not an issue.
@stevem2682 жыл бұрын
i have used the beall just as described, it is perfectly accurate using magnets on two sides. i can cut bevels on the ends of 4 pieces for a small box using the beall on my 1935 delta tilting table tablesaw. the joinery is flawless
@larrybud2 жыл бұрын
@@MrBobWingard Doesn't mean the process can't be improved.
@wolfgangmarkow34872 жыл бұрын
If sou are looking for a Deluxe version, take a look at the DXL360S. It offers some more twists like measuring two angles at the same time and the rotation around the vertical axis. But at least the tilt box should have one V-grouve to attach it at a drill bit (or a precision miled steel rod put into the chuck) to align the drill press table perpendicular or at a special angle.
@michaelgregson5165Ай бұрын
I made that error and bought a cheap one and it's exactly what you said.
@byrne1916Ай бұрын
Helped me double check a buying decision... They have them with lasers now very handy for levelling up shelves etc
@robertbamford82662 жыл бұрын
Thanks. The kinds of features you don’t think about until you buy the wrong one.
@andymilligan8485 Жыл бұрын
I found over the years that the tilt box works also on the band saw (tilt table), drill press (tilt table), belt sander (tilt table), disc sander (tilt table), scroll saw (tilt table), jointer fence (tilt fence), and sliding compound miter saw (tilt blade). The cheap version works fine in all of these situations.
@sixshooter33132 жыл бұрын
I have had one for many years. Don't use it for 90 degrees though always use a plastic draftsman 45/90 square like the one you showed. Enjoy your videos very much.
@hatimlachkr Жыл бұрын
If you want something that has a better screen and a strpng magnet, Klein make one, And it is also grooved on all 4 sides so it's sits perfectly against round shaped objects (pipes,conduit) it is made specifically fpr electricians, to use while bending conduit but it's an amazing product nonetheless! Thanks alot for the great content
@christophermoore17742 жыл бұрын
I wish you had discussed Accuracy and Resolution! If you research some of the user manuals you will find they are typically only accurate to +/- 0.1deg when measuring near 0 and 90, and worse only +/- 0.2deg for other angles between (I have seen even worse on cheap models at Harbor Freight). This means two things: 1) a reading of 90.00 could actually be as far off as 89.9 or 90.1 in accuracy, 2) the hundredth of degree resolution position reading (0.0x) is actually irrelevant and essentially nothing more than a sales gimmick, as it never is accurate past the tenths degree position. Hence, I agree with you, I always use a hard machine square and 45 when setting my saw blade. As for in between angles, well its up to the individual to determine the acceptable error level for their projects, so I think it is important to mention that the displays are deceptive in their accuracy and resolution readings, and that users should check their manuals.
@sunnybnk2 жыл бұрын
Very well said!! I couldn't have said it better myself. Its all about the resolution.
@RichardBuckman2 жыл бұрын
Error in angles is such a funny thing too, because it’s much more abstract than other measurements we do. It depends on the context so much more than anything else. For example, if you are attaching a board to the angle, at the angle, and what you “care about” is the height of the end of the board, then 1 degree off of 90 degrees doesn’t affect things nearly as much as 1 degree off when you are at 45 degrees. And the scale matters because if you are talking about a board that is 10 feet long, your error is going to be ten times larger than if the board is 1 foot long, even though the error in the angle is the same. In contrast, if you are working with a 10 foot long board and you have an error of 1/16 an inch, it’s often becomes much smaller of an error on a 10 foot long board compared to if it’s on a 1 foot board, or a 1 inch board, etc. In the end though context is everything, and if you are really working on something where you need to be accurate to more than 0.2 degrees, you are either measuring the wrong thing to get your accuracy, or you need a different tool to measure your angle, such as one of those machinist level accuracy vernier protractors.
@thomassciurba53234 ай бұрын
I guess that matters if you are a machinist, but for woodworkers +/- 0.1 degrees is plenty accurate.
@villageidiot87182 жыл бұрын
I also like that it's from Beall. Good people. Thanks for the helpful information
@jamestauby40342 жыл бұрын
Perfect timing. I was looking at Rockler, Woodcraft, and the big box stores online yesterday. I will now go back and look for at least three sided magnets. As for the 45 degree drafting triangle, they also come in a 30,60 & 90 combination. I use my drafting triangles to set my tablesaw blades to these more standard angles.
@glennchaffin84469 ай бұрын
You just saved me money and frustration. I am in the market for one of these and your video has pointed me in the right direction. Thank you sir and I just subscribed.
@stephenrichie46462 жыл бұрын
Agree re squares for 90 deg angles. I also like using my 1-2-3 block; always handy, very stable. Besides, digital readouts may only give the illusion of precision 😉
@EEEZSolutionS6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the informative video. I have been using the Huepar AG01 and I noticed its lack of accuracy. I would set it on a machinists square (even used a 1-2-3 block) to zero, then turn it 90 degrees and place on the vertical arm of the square or the same side of the block. I expected it to read 90 degrees but it wou;ld read anywhere from 89.5 to 89.85 AND there was a difference depending on which side of the gauge was used! That's when I began to distrust it and use my machinist square to set the saw blade. Apparently even the best digital gauge is only accurate to .2 degrees when compared to zero. I also like your idea of using the 45 degree side of a plastic drafting square to set the saw blade. Larry
@joebrown13822 жыл бұрын
Mine is like the red/yellow one made by igaging. Magnets on 3 sides even comes with a little screw driver to replace the battery. I love it.
@brucelee33882 жыл бұрын
They also now have one that has USB recharging.
@tinsu6293 ай бұрын
You can use double-sided tape and stick it on a flat magnet piece at any position you want to add.
@relmdrifter Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the heads up, I need a new one for caster/pinion angles
@dtemp1322 жыл бұрын
I have the Klein Tools 935DAG and like it a lot. Would recommend it. $30
@grandaygain2 жыл бұрын
I would have liked to have seen you place the digital gage on the plastic engineers 45 angle to compare the reading.
@thomassciurba53234 ай бұрын
I just use a protractor app on my phone. I made a 3 sided wood holder for the phone and put some magnets in each side of the holder.
@stevem2682 жыл бұрын
i have used the beall for years too and i love it. a friend liked it so he bought a cheap knock off just like yours and hated it!!
@TorBoy92 жыл бұрын
Thanks Colin, good to know. I was thinking about getting one to set up my table saw, but I think I'll simply use the engineer's square, which I already have and use.
@KingZoneOne Жыл бұрын
The issue I have with these types of meters is that the X/Y and Z angles interfere with one another, so it seems like you don't get a true measure, because you can never get the Z axis tilt perfectly vertical as not to interfere with the angle you're actually measuring on the other axis. EX: to get a true measure on X or Y you have to first be sure the meter is at zero (or 90 degrees the other way) for axis Z, otherwise X or Y isn't accurate. If you sit it down on your table saw (Axis X/Y) then tilt it slightly backward or forward (Axis Z) the measurement of X/Y axis (your table saw) changes. So for example I was using this to adjust the camber on the front wheels of my car, yet I didn't feel confident about the readings because I had to use a straight edge across the face of my wheel so I had to first be sure one axis (X/Y=wheel rotation) was as close to 00.00 as possible before I measured and adjusted the camber axis (Z). I couldn't figure out which numbers it was reading were the true measurements I was trying for (Z) or interference from the other axis (X/Y) being read also.
@jimbo26292 жыл бұрын
I think it’s a case of over sophistication like the rack and pinion adjuster on bandsaws replacing a clamp. Digital readouts are a pain unless you replace the battery just before use usually. My saw has an angle gauge. I have a goniometer, squares and protractors. I use test cuts.
@peanutbutter20782 жыл бұрын
I have a Klein one and just came up with upgrading it by adding magnets on the sides.
@MCsCreations2 жыл бұрын
Excellent tips, Colin! Thanks a bunch! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@sunpointstudio44722 жыл бұрын
I use one of these which have the magnet only on the bottom, but when I know the table saw blade is 90, I place the gauge on the blade and zero it to 0 then as I angle the blade, the readout doesn't invert and remains easily readable. I have also used an app on my mobile phone called an inclinometer which I've found to be very accurate (of course it doesn't have a magnet and needs to be held manually). The app also has a bubble level display which is also very accurate.
@Mike_Gray682 жыл бұрын
Wish you put this out 6 months ago. It would have saved me some money. I have one that is very similar to your first one. And it is total junk. I will put it on the table and zero it. Then move it to the blade. After I set my angle I put it back on the table and it was 5 thou out. I put it back on the blade and back to the table and each time it added 5 thou to the angle.
@oneeyedphotographer7 ай бұрын
The red one probably has an OLED display, it's best for readability. The Tilt Box has an LCD display. Generally harder to read except in bright light where it stands out from the crown. The try square and set square argue with the teeth. For this reason I prefer electronic devices. I want angles between, mostly I would prefer the older electronic device. If I want to mark a line on a workpiece, that's the one.
@royksk Жыл бұрын
The cheaper meter's sides are not set accurately, but the one with magnetic sides must be. Good advice, thanks.
@stuartduncan27722 жыл бұрын
If you have an iPhone, you can use the Measure app's level to find angles. I'd imagine that someone with your skills could easily create a wooden holder with magnets in the various places to give you exactly what you want. Even better, if you enable the Voiceover accessibility feature, the phone will speak the angles as they change, eliminating the need to read the screen.
@gregghernandez27142 жыл бұрын
You are correct. I did see a video where someone did just that. He made a little wooden holder for his phone with magnets to attach to his tools. Pretty neat. There are also several angle finder apps in the Play Store if you use an Android phone like myself.
@thomassciurba53234 ай бұрын
Not just iPhone, there are Android apps too.
@keithatkins78832 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information! I am thinking about purchasing one! Although I am really not sure I need it! I just thought it would be handy!
@daileydriven4 ай бұрын
This was helpful. Thank you.
@irakopilow92232 жыл бұрын
They also make drafting squares in 30-60-90
@shannonphillips71782 ай бұрын
I don't think they make his anymore. And I can't find one that has multiple magnets. I'm thinking of just buying one, and if I need side magnets, I'll just buy the adhesive magnetic strips and attach them to the other three sides. Think that'll work?
@Toyotajunkie2 жыл бұрын
I agree with others, the "lack of accuracy" actually is a more sensitive setup. BUT... I absolutely hate the one you bought first (same one I think that I got when I broke my previous on). I also second the addition of mags via ca glue
@cobberpete12 жыл бұрын
And you can quickly use a a speed square for 90 and 45
@Journeyman5311 ай бұрын
I have found times when you need a magnet on the top, you just simply turn your level upside down and use the "bottom" magnets, the display corrects itself, voila!. 🙂
@fletcherdale43712 жыл бұрын
the "Drafting Triangle" also comes in a 30/60/90 configuration
@michaelwarren23912 жыл бұрын
In reference to the readout flip - that would let you know which side of vertical the blade is at, for angles very close to 90. But, I'm not sure when I would want to make a cut one or two degrees off vertical.
@Erik_The_Viking2 жыл бұрын
I've used the 45 degree angle from my combination square for setting up a good 45 degree angle on the table saw. Found it to be easier and quicker.
@billhandymanbill27752 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thank you so much! By the way, the display on the orange device is LCD (liquid crystal Display) not LED (Light Emitting Diode).
@paulmanhart44814 ай бұрын
But what is the tolerance and the perpendicularity of the two magnets?
@David-hm9ic2 жыл бұрын
After using one for a few years it’s a tool of last resort to me for many of the reasons you stated. Good squares and drafting triangles are more precise. Mine is not square between the bottom and sides further limiting its usefulness.
@corin1642 жыл бұрын
The second purchase is definitely the better of the two, but its view screen is unreadable in a shop environment. My previous angle finder was also unlit wcich always caused be to search for a flashlight.
@dwightl58632 жыл бұрын
Totally agree the view screen is better on the first purchase. Most always need additional light on the other.
@robertball35782 жыл бұрын
I mounted a 4' florescent fixture over my saw to improve lighting for all tasks, it really helps me to see my marks on a board as well as machine adjustments. It was a pain to get access above the saw but it was worth the effort.
@Engineer_MKII Жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Thanks so much!
@technoman90002 жыл бұрын
Nice video, thanks Colin! I've been thinking about getting one of these recently so this is very timely.
@thomassciurba53234 ай бұрын
Wouldn’t some ca glue and cheap magnets solve the problem of the cheap one not having magnets on the sides?
@sarojpradhan4267 Жыл бұрын
Good research Lot to know from video Thanks
@robertball35782 жыл бұрын
A point of order, the hard to read display is LCD, the bright display might be LED.
@jeancharlesmcote2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for information. Very helpful.
@qmoonwalker38472 жыл бұрын
Great tips! Thank you!
@Robphoto377 ай бұрын
Thank you
@MatSmithLondon Жыл бұрын
Sadly can't get this in the UK, at least I couldn't find it
@ironwood16212 жыл бұрын
I bought the cheaper one and I agree, it doesn’t give me confidence that it is accurate. It doesn’t zero out that well. I’m going to buy the Tilt Box.
@jsporish2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if anyone has turned their saw on forgetting the angle cube was still on the blade?
@robira13132 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah. Sure did. ...and it did not survive the accident.
@MixingGBP2 жыл бұрын
I have one similar to the yellow one. I use it along with my Woodpeckers squares to ensure that I have at least 2 things verifying squareness. 7:56 Colin, off topic question for you...where did you buy the custom sticker for your fence? I want to get a custom sticker for my fence.
@kathrynnewton87212 жыл бұрын
So good! Love the magnets on the sides. I bought one recently and it’s so irritating, I can’t get it to zero so always have to deduct the difference…… is the red one McAfrica by any chance - it looks like mine?
@doncripemc3certifiedsr.med3262 жыл бұрын
I am having glue up miseries. I can't seem to keep from making a terrible mess when I am comfortable with the amount of glue I use. I can't seem to find a gluing sweet spot.
@anthonyegner13822 жыл бұрын
Very informative thank you
@Quentyn732 жыл бұрын
Klein tools one also doesn't have magnets on the sides and I also found that annoying
@aaudain12 жыл бұрын
Great idea
@AdrianP2472 жыл бұрын
would fridge ceramic magnets from the real estate agents glued to each side fix the side-angle problem? cheap fix?
@tk421tt2 жыл бұрын
Chances are you won’t maintain the angle accurately
@richpeggyfranks4902 жыл бұрын
Great comment. I don't even know the realtor's name, but I have made many jigs/holders/etc. from their magnetic fridge ads.
@dpmeyer48672 жыл бұрын
thanks
@RichardBuckman2 жыл бұрын
When you tilt it back, how does it measure the angle? Is it the angle multiplied by cos(theta) where theta is the angle tilted back? Or does it measure that theta and compensate for that? If it doesn’t compensate it could be a bad thing that it doesn’t give an error becausE it would be inaccurate although repeatable if you are holding it at the same angle (look up spherical coordinates for details)
@melainekerfaou84182 жыл бұрын
I suspect it does not do any correction and it would be confusing if it did. Therefore the late error message is indeed a bad thing
@RobertKarlBerta2 жыл бұрын
These measure X and Y axis but NOT Z axis. As they tilt forward or backward the reading will vary from true angle. Some are a bit better but none currently do all three axis. I have one made by a high end instrument maker (Fowler) that is very good, has magnets on both sides, etc. I found the best tool for squaring the saw blade to the table is a tri square for 90 and 45 degrees. After that do NOT zero the digital angle gauge to the table top. Instead attach the tool to the saw blade and use an adjustable square to make sure it is square to the table front and back. Now zero the device and than tilt the blade WITHOUT rotating the blade untl you get the angle you need. Checking against a high end angle protractor the angle is dead on. For those looking for a good one of these....I-Gauging seems to have a good reputation and while I don't have that particular one, I do have some other I-Gauging digitdal tools that have been very impressive and accurate. I also have a machine shop wit metal lathe, milling machine, etc. so often workiing with measurements and angles far beyond what is needed for woodworking. By the way if you are looking for a cheap alternative, you may want to look into apps for your phone or tablets. I have one called Angle Finder by Smart Tool Factory that is an Android app that I use on both my cell phone and tablet. That one can do both bubble leveling as well as angles and is extremely accurate....as accurate as my angle cube! Note that all of these need zeroing once turned on. For a true bubble level you need an analog carpenter level type as it is showing true level to gravity.
@musicproductionvideos5019 Жыл бұрын
I need to measure the neck angle on a couple flat top electric guitars. Would the Tilt Box work if I zero'd it while laying flat on the guitar body... and then moving it onto the guitar neck? thanks!
@joeviragh87212 жыл бұрын
I don't understand the problem with reading numbers at any angle or upside down. The numbers don't change. The stability of the readout is what matters
@gangleweed2 жыл бұрын
One thing to realise..........the bottom may not be 100% square to the side, so if you place it on a horizontal surface and zero it then put it against the side of a saw blade, drill etc, depending on the accuracy of the side to the bottom, the .01 resolution accuracy will not hold......you can test the squareness by using a square you know is accurate.
@jcarterodera038 Жыл бұрын
Can I use for roof pitch inspections
@VeraPlatt2 жыл бұрын
You can always get a lot of protractors and saw them at the random degrees that you use often
@ivokolarik82902 жыл бұрын
Great video
@cityguyusa2 жыл бұрын
But is it accurite? The 1st one showed less than 90 when you put it on the saw blade.
@robertjames-life4768 Жыл бұрын
Wow. That black one looks dreadful. I’ve had one like the yellow one for years and love it.
@AxGryndr Жыл бұрын
The mere fact that after decades of the table saw being a staple in the workshop there isn't a better, integrated, way to accurately set the angle of the blade is still baffling to me.
@Richard-dh8ny2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I'd like to purchase a machinist square like the one you used in this video. $15 for a nice large square is a great deal. Can you include a link to the product? Thanks! :))
@akesq015 ай бұрын
Can anyone please tell me why the red one does not zero out? I have a cheapo one from China and I cannot get it to zero out.
@thomassciurba53234 ай бұрын
1/100 th of a degree is plenty close enough for woodworking, seeing a zero just makes you feel good.
@petebusch906910 ай бұрын
Tilt box is no longer available.
@leebernardo10002 жыл бұрын
Is the Black and Red one not as stable because it's showing Absolute Angle? If you turn that off it should be more stable especially at Zero
@LarryB-inFL2 жыл бұрын
No, whether it is using abs or relative, it should be stable. And the bigger issue with the cheap ones is that they often are difficult to get to show 0.00, no matter what.
@Habibulla.M2 жыл бұрын
You can add set of small magnets on the inexpensive model to get the same result.
@philshock38052 жыл бұрын
I've had a Wixey angle gauge for 7+ years that I use constantly. Only has magnets on the bottom and seems to be dead-on accurate. Replacing batteries is a pain of course, but it's a quick and easy way to check angles. I think that red one you have is simply poor quality.
@LarryB-inFL2 жыл бұрын
It may not be an issue, BUT are you certain that the case on the TiltBox is perfectly square? Because you are zeroing on the bottom surface, and then using the left side as your reference on the saw blade. Also, you forgot to point up the "abs" function that your cheaper one seems to power up into. VERY problematic, as that setting is NOT referencing the saw table, but is supposedly referencing the earth's surface. If your saw is not on perfectly level ground, you will get a bad reading for the blade.
@williamwilson31452 жыл бұрын
Could you add magnets to the brand that is easier to read ?
@LarryB-inFL2 жыл бұрын
Yes, but only IF you can get the magnet to be perfectly square to the unit's base!!!
@williamwilson31452 жыл бұрын
Is the magnet that came with it square to the base ?
@mrbamfo50002 жыл бұрын
Used my phone with an app the other day.
@Suriprofz Жыл бұрын
nice tool, to bad they are not su accurate
@mikeymo78972 жыл бұрын
THEY DO SELL ADHESIVE THIN MAGNET STRIPS
@mefirst4266 Жыл бұрын
YOU COULD HAVE GLUED A MAGNET TO THE SIDE !!!!
@mikem2642 жыл бұрын
Just a thought if your table saw is not level and you zero the digital device to the table saw bed your angle will be off. Steel square and speed square best. Set your blade to 90 degrees with square and then test the digital device for accuracy
@DavidE-zp5jr2 жыл бұрын
I believe that it wouldn't matter if your saw was initially level since you're measuring the angle between the table face and the blade.
@LarryB-inFL2 жыл бұрын
@@DavidE-zp5jr Agree...unless, of course, one leaves the thing on "Abs"!!!!
@greggarman73432 жыл бұрын
If you put the angle guage on the table saw bed and zero it out, it doesn't matter if the table saw bed is level or not because the guage is for measuring the difference between the bed and the blade angle. I get perfect angles every time.
@hansh30112 жыл бұрын
Before Getting a Digital Angle Gauge ? you are to late
@bestbuilder1st2 жыл бұрын
I would rather save $30 and turn my head to read sideways, just saying.
@user-lh9ws3sq5g8 ай бұрын
Could you just glue a magnet on the side of the other one