Knorpp And South, MLMs, Unschooling, and Some YIKES Tweets

[@jonpoulda3362]

One thing I’d love to ask the Knorpps is… “Why do you feel your kids are intelligent enough to choose their own path regarding education, but not religion? Why not unreligion them as well?”.

[@JordanandMcKay]

OMG top comment over here! Such a good point!!

[@eyecee9882]

Best comment and observation made!

[@bwal2202]

Obviously you don't watch them..... they are able to choose in fact one of their teens didn't want to b Mormon. he later CHOSE to and is currently on his mission.

[@jonpoulda3362]

@@bwal2202 What you see is only what they want you to see on camera. If you think he was not pressured into being a Mormon, you’re incredibly gullible. What other religions was he exposed to? He was surrounded by Mormons. Reading your comment, I have to wonder if you too were “unschooled”.

[@giabarrone7422]

@@bwal2202 What church/temple/meeting house did he attend when not Mormon?

[@kelly-ellie3543]

Let’s remind people how important public school is for abused children. Growing up school was my safe place. My teachers were safer than my home even though they did NOT know what my home life was like. Which I’m sure some had their suspicions since we were never clean, dirty old clothes, no lunch or lunch money everyday. No one to pick us up in the rain or when we were sick. Yes school literally saved me. I remember one time I was so sick and my parents sent me to school and then didn’t come get me when I was in the nurses office. They made me wait til the end of the day to ride the bus home like normal. I had pneumonia! They didn’t even take me to the dr until I passed out one day. Then they took me in. My Spanish teacher bought my brother shoes because he was wearing shoes with no soles. So while everyone shits on public school some of us might not have survived without it.

[@nicolaalexander2393]

Agreed, bless you Xx

[@kelly-ellie3543]

@@nicolaalexander2393 my heart just breaks for all the children who come from abusive neglectful homes during COVID. I literally had PTSD and broke down thinking about it. I remember crying on the last days of school and the days before Christmas break. Those were always the hardest because I knew I was not going to “enjoy the holidays” like everyone else seemed to do. I was going to suffer. I remember the last time I cried I was a freshmen in my math class and I couldn’t hold it in anymore. Sophomore year on I was able to escape through friends who let me stay with them for weeks on end. My parents never cared I was gone but it was such a stress reliever. I pray that children being abused right now find an out. I wish with everything I have that we could save every single child. 😭

[@freckledcrafts86]

Yes! My son is in kindergarten and his school is freaking fabulous! I hate when public school is acted like it's so evil, it is so much for so many kids

[@skylarsjoberg9618]

Yesyesyes.

[@perpetuallylate8091]

Not to mention there are neurodivergent children that NEED the structure and/or socialization that public school can provide as well as parents and children that need the support of trained professionals and resources for any number of reasons.

[@ForestLadyForever]

I was home schooled, and we knew several families who took it a step further by "un-schooling". As far as I could tell, "un-schooling" really meant "We have too many kids to actually do their education justice, and it doesn't matter, because they're all going to have trades, anyway, and not go to college". Guess what? Nearly all those kids eventually realized they needed to go to college to be competitive in their chosen careers and had to really struggle to catch up on the needed requirements. There is no way that ALL nine of the children in this particular family are geniuses. They are doing their children a disservice.

[@marthahawkinson-michau9611]

I was also homeschooled for most of my school years. The entire time I was high school age, I performed un-paid labor for my parents business and they called it “unschooling”. I was also expected to go to college. Big shocker, I ended up needing to spend ten years working on my bachelors degree. It was a mixture of being entirely unprepared for college, having untreated learning disabilities, and for most of the time I spent in college still working full time for my parents (still unpaid). They finally realized that I was over scheduled when I turned 24 and had never bothered trying to date because I had no free time. Then, I was allowed to give 100% focus to my education for the first time. Big shocker, I had a boyfriend in three months time when I wasn’t working nonstop and trying go to school at the same time. Even bigger shocker, when my boyfriend and his parents offered to let me move in with them, I jumped at the chance to never have to go back to the life I’d already left. This from someone who grew up in a super conservative Christian family. Gee, I wonder if I was actually happy giving my parents an uncountable amount of slave labor?

[@HopeGardner3amed]

I have heard nothing good about unschooling.

[@theroadlesstraveled3993]

Unschooling doesn't mean you don't go to college. ???? Your comment is full of ignorance.

[@jesswoodley4369]

Your points on special education are brilliant! I was born with a disability and grew up in the special education system and I’m now a fully fledged independent adult who is a mum of two children and I think it was my special education that helped me the most and also having a mum who has been and still is in ways my strongest advocate and biggest cheer leader!

[@JordanandMcKay]

Oh my gosh I am so happy to hear this! There are definitely flaws within the system but this the outcome we work and hope for! I am so glad you’re here with us!

[@pppamelis]

As a mom to a special needs child current in the special ed system this gives me so much hope! I love hearing stories like yours!

[@jesswoodley4369]

@@JordanandMcKay it was not an easy ride, but having parents that made me believe that I can achieve anything I put my mind too and willing to put everything they had in to finding ways to fill in the gaps where the system lacked helped me no end. Thank you so much for your kind words 😊

[@sydnierosenfeld8229]

100% I have ADHD and had developmental delays and stuff as a kid and would not be where I am today without all the therapies and help my mother advocated for me to have. I am now a college graduate and am earning my masters. I am grateful for all of the services I received. I may have been “embarrassed” by them as a kid but now that I am older I am proud of where I came from and where I am now. I now work in education and see the other side. these parents are definitely doing Not only eve but all their kids a disservice. I truly think Eve would be a lot more independent and verbal if she had the proper services and education.

[@EloiseEighteen]

I'm in the UK so different system but it absolutely upsets me that they aren't equipping their youngest daughter to communicate. Additionally their other kids with medical needs don't seem to be in physio etc. I have a physical disablility and autism and it is so important to have access to physiotherapy and to other therapies like speech & language input etc! Plus just like therapy therapy!!!

[@taylorellison2719]

Hey, Jordan and McKay, can I make a suggestion? I love your content, you two are amazing and hilarious. Just one thing- I know these parents are terrible, but the children can’t help their situation and so I think it’s important to make sure that when we talk about blended families, we say “four *biological and five *adopted.” Rather than “four of their own and five adopted.” Technically, all nine children are their own and if those children were to see these videos, it would perpetuate any feeling that the adopted children don’t belong in the family. I’m sure the bio children and parents already make the adopted kids feel isolated with their white savior complex, so I just thought that maybe we can be mindful when giving context to the families. Keep up the good work- you’re amazing!!

[@JordanandMcKay]

Oh my gosh, thank you for pointing this out! We will DEFINITELY make note of that and change our language.

[@CanadianMum444]

@@JordanandMcKay you two are really incredible young human beings. Keep it up, you’re part of the change in this world ❣️ Love fr:🇨🇦🤗

[@SustainableSierra]

Haha, I was just about to "come for them" over this. ;-)

[@h0rriphic]

I was never technically adopted, was a ward of the state (no one wanted me lol) and I didn’t find that shit offensive at all. I find it faaarrrr more offensive when people speak for others and make unnecessary “corrections” on their behalf. We’re good k? We can speak on what is offensive to us. If YOU are adopted and find their comments problematic and offensive speak about your own feelings not mine k thanks.

[@alexshaw8167]

@@h0rriphic just because your opinions aren’t the same as someone else’s doesn’t make their feelings not valid. They didn’t make any kind of harmful suggestion, just mentioned something to be more accepting in the future. Not sure why you’re upset about inclusive language

[@StayGreenBDifferent]

As a disabled teacher who is extremely identity-first for myself, thank you for explaining the language thing around disability. Not enough people know there is a personal choice involved or how important it feels to have it respected.

[@JordanandMcKay]

Yes! So very true!

[@elise12345]

Knorpp and South was like the only family vlogging channel I ever watched. I think the algorithm got me there like 7-8 years ago because I was watching a bunch of vanlife remodel stuff. I stayed for just a bit out of curiosity over the lifestyle. No one ever talks about them, so I'm glad you guys are taking it on. The kids have so little in terms of privacy. It's not just a lack of privacy from being filmed as children, it's also a lack of space to just be alone with your thoughts and self physically.

[@pedfam3439]

Same, and I agree! It got weirder after they stopped full time travelling I think because the content was more travel based before you didn’t notice the very weird dynamics.

[@_Nat_A_]

The van life was interesting, until they left the US. I stopped watching a long time ago, but they were always defending Meghan’s need for change as something they both wanted. I believe neither saw the potential long term damage of daily blogs on their children can cause.

[@lindsaybear722]

When I was a kid we went to a restaurant almost weekly with my dad’s work friends. This restaurant did up the front entrance around Halloween with very scary decorations that I was TERRIFIED of and my younger brother loved. My parents didn’t force me to walk through the front door. One of them would take my brother through the front to see the things he liked, while the other took me around the side to another undecorated door. They were able to give us BOTH what we needed to feel safe. It’s NOT THAT HARD.

[@thenopedetective]

A lot harder with 9 children 😬

[@sophiehobley828]

​@@thenopedetectivewhy?

[@jeffreyplum5259]

The real core of this video is the Parents determine everything. The Knopp lifestyle is designed to allow the Parents complete freedom. Living in an under size RV mean no child has their own space. The Parents provide any structure the children have. They also avoid providing any boundaries to the children. Jordan and McKay assume raising children is a child centered activity. It is clear the Knopp family is based on a Parent centered model. Once the Parents needs are met, that is all that matters. The kids are extensions of their parents,. They are not proto individuals. Any successes will be wins for the Parents, Any failures will be the kids fault. Stopping the merry go round of travel so the kids have their own rooms and complete education, of any kind, would switch the focus from the Parents to the kids. .Kids would become energy and resource burning centers, not the cute toys they are now. These kids have no history as known by the outside world. One cannot put an RV license number down on a job application. GED preparation would at least provide a well understood yardstick to outsiders. The parent exploit the world. They do not adapt their kids to it. I am well aware of the dangers and pitfalls of this sort of lifestyle. I have Asperger's Syndrome, a form of Autism. I am also mildly dyslexic. I was evaluated in the 4th grade. I had educational support from then thru High school. My brother was not evaluated and discovered his Dyslexia, by himself in high school. He was just thought to be a poor student, with proper testing. My Asperger's was missed completely in school. It was found in my forties, as a side effect of my mother sabotaging my efforts to find work . I am both aware of the problems of children with disabilities and the high cost of denying children parental support and life skills. Life skills were considered a threat to my parents Authority and power. I am from a very combative alcoholic family. They were engaged in Olympian style warfare between each other. We kids were to serve them, to the limits of our abilities, as the Gods of the House. They were Authority. We had our responsibilities, but were never to get above our lowly station. Adult emotion and independence were Parental properties. Children were children, regardless of age or development . Personal, life skill, and even career development were suppressed and even sabotaged to maintain the balance of authority and power. " Unschooling " is a great way to keep the Authority and Power of parents, in the hands of the parents. Isolating your family in its own cultural bubble keeps them from connecting with outsiders. My family raised its kids under strict 50s era rules. The fact we were actually in the 60s was barely acknowledged. In the Knopp case, constant travel isolates the mobile family from any outside community., The Knopps keep avoiding registering as members of any community, which might impose its standards on them. In both these cases no thought is given to the children's future without their parents. if the Parents die, time ends as far as the Parents are concerned. Surviving them is unthinkable, so it is not taught. God save Us

[@Ire374]

Wow! Well said!

[@sisuguillam5109]

Great comment!

[@kaitlynconlin4182]

As someone who has directly suffered from educational disruption as a child, this is deeply troubling to me. I would have given ANYTHING to be able to avoid my educational disruption. You can never make up for some of the gaps that you have in your education from your developmental year.

[@pembrokelove]

What concerns me about this whole “savior” thing with regard to adoption is that those children must know, on some level, that their expectations for their biological children are drastically different than the expectations for the children the “saved“. The adopted children are expected to show gratitude and I wonder if they are not reminded of the life they could have had any time they upset or disappoint the parents.

[@actuallyadog_]

Yeah, for sure. As a young person who has been planning to adopt for many years, this makes me absolutely sick to my stomach. If I was the adoptee, I would have the worst time as a rebellious teen. What if the kids get into a fight with the parents? You *know* that those parents are going to say, “we saved you so you should be grateful,” as if at any minute the parents can throw you out on the street because you’re nothing to them. When my mom gave me the “I gave birth to you, you should be grateful!” argument, I still had times when I wanted to choke her out and get a legal divorce. If my parents told me that I was disposable, I would *fucking bail,* and I would grow up never trusting that I belonged to any group. Never knowing unconditional love and support.

[@pembrokelove]

@@actuallyadog_ ugh thats so gross. Like, Hello? Did I request that you birth me, or did *you* decide that *you* wanted a child, and then scooped my soul out multiverse, where I was just chilling and minding my own business, floating around and hanging with the Beatles and shit? Because I was real little and I don’t remember how it happened. On the other side of it, I was adopted, and I didn’t know until I was in my 30s and both of my parents were dead. At first I was upset just because I had no way to ask any of the questions that adoptees often want the answer to, but I have come to appreciate it. My parents treated me just like my siblings, if anything my siblings say that I was the one who was favored but honestly I was just the one who didn’t constantly get in trouble and do a bunch of bad shit. Lol. Literally the only really big argument I ever had with my parents was over getting confirmed in the Catholic Church, which I absolutely did not want to do. Other than that, I was the golden child. So, yeah, maybe I was sometimes favored just because I was easier to parent… But, more to the point, they never told me that I was adopted and never treated me in such a way that I was made to feel like I owed them.

[@actuallyadog_]

Pembroke Love I laughed at being scooped out of the multiverse!!! I LOVE it! Thank you for sharing your experience. So are you in the camp of “It’s better to tell the kid from day one” or “it’s better to never tell the kid”?

[@pembrokelove]

@@actuallyadog_ i really can’t answer that, because I think it depends so heavily on the situation. An open adoption obviously must be addressed. There were definitely times I felt like I didn’t belong, didn’t look like my siblings and stuff… would I have wanted to know the reason, or was that just normal angsty teen stuff? I don’t know. My only definitive answer is that it needs to be one of those two options. That’s to say that you either always be open about it or never say - it would have been very hurtful me if I had been like 15 and my parents decided I was “old enough to know the truth” and dropped that bomb on me at an already confusing time.

[@joannec8888]

@@pembrokelove the KNORPPS HAVE NOT EVER DEMONSTRATED ANYTHING BUT LOVE AND RESPEC T TO ALL THESE KIDs! You are taking pieces of opinions and now making it facts about their parenting and that is pretty pathetic and irresponsible,

[@jillianh5956]

I want to know how a mother of 9 has ANY FREE TIME WHATSOEVER - let alone the amount that Megan has to haunt multiple thrift stores every single day, let alone decorate and refurbish things.

[@jawboii1090]

She has her husband to take the time she can spend on thrift stores, hair cuts, shopping, plus she has 16 year olds who can babysit the younger ones too now

[@marigene8265]

Simple, neither her nor Mike do very little parenting, in my opinion. They unparent just like the kids unschool!

[@cortney3798]

@@marigene8265 lol they only do the parts that interest them

[@sisuguillam5109]

@@jawboii1090 so the older kids are raising the younger ones? Way to fail as a parent.

[@TexasbyStorm]

Megan and Mike are always off on their own and the kids are at home. They have date nights several nights a week and the kids are left to take care of themselves and the older kids the younger kids. Megan takes her bio sons out with her all the time but I never see her take her adopted kids, except for maybe Eve when the older kids are busy and can't care for her.

[@brittanyr6540]

I stopped watching when Megan became a hoarder and when they bought a tiny house for 9 people when they supposedly have all of this money. I fely so bad for the kids.

[@jlcollins7673]

A hoarder? Lmaoooo There are so many things you could hate them for.......but she is def not a hoarder lol

[@melinnamba]

Jordan, your disclaimer about how to speak about disabled people was just perfect. I am autistic myself and I wish more people would follow that same approach. Ask us how we want to be refered to, listen to what we call ourselfs and don't let anyone tell you that you're a bad person for using one phrase over another. Sure most of us, at least on the internet, seem to have strong feelings about certain terms and phrases, but there are pros and cons to all of them.

[@maurahilgar1586]

I really appreciate hearing Jordan's view point on these matters because she has the educational background and experience to back it up. Too many people speak as if they are experts but have not done real research and spread misinformation. Really happy I found your channel!

[@sydnierosenfeld8229]

They have done E a tremendous disservice. She could be a lot more independent and verbal if she would have gotten the proper therapies and services. They are holding her back from reaching her fullest potential

[@nikkisilas897]

Totally agree

[@onwednesdayswewearpink2761]

I have heard the parents talk about Eve getting OT and speach therapy

[@janet5551]

Ive been watching this family for awhile and it is becoming more and more obvious how self centred the parents are and why its easier for them to " unschool" if you watch recent videos you see the kids just walking around aimlessly bored out of their brains. The parents are always trying to make them sell what they make so they can say they are starting their own business.. which lasts a few weeks then they move on. What breaks my heart the most, as an adoptive parent to a child born overseas myself, is the difference in the way they treat their biological children and their adopted children. Adopted children should never been made to feel grateful they where rescued from a third world country. That child lost their first family through whatever situation they went through and that is not something to be grateful for, they should be allowed to grieve what they lost and be respected enough to not have to carry the burden of being grateful to someone for being their saviour.

[@martyhudson3901]

Latest vlog: Peter has decided to forgo breeding rabbits and baking bread to become a guitarist and play for Dirty Shirley.

[@swblanc]

I agree that Megan is very self-centered. I think she indulges every whim that she has and that usually dictates the day-to-day lives of the kids. I think Mike is a pushover who just follows her lead, but that makes him no less responsible for the outcome.

[@dawndraper244]

I’ve been watching the knorpps podcast for a while. I dint think they are a typical Mormon family Meghan is very much the driving force, she is self centred and selfish Mike is a bit of a pushover but a nice guy. I’ve often railed against Meghan from what I’ve seen in their videos I don’t like her or her parenting methods at all x

[@swblanc]

The Knorpps spend so much time moving, shopping and traveling that there is no way they are educating their kids, especially the younger ones including the daughter who is basically non-verbal.

[@evelinholmes6401]

The parents fully indulge in there own needs. Forget the kids.

[@googleuser3749]

As a social worker, the # of times I've had kids turn 18 and already have dozens of past due accounts in their name is out of control. Adults opening cable, internet, utilities, phones etc in their name. If people don't think this happens with folks who aren't only family, they are too shielded.

[@kelly-ellie3543]

I wanted to homeschool when I got pregnant. But after realizing my daughter is autistic and she NEEDS her therapy she gets to go to a school for autistic children along with her OT and speech. I understand that these people have credentials that I don’t have. I try to take as much as I possibly can back into the home but without her speech for the past 2 almost 3 years she has made leaps and bounds with her therapies. More than I could ever give her, especially if I did try to homeschool her. Maybe when she is alittle older we might but socializing her with others like her makes me very happy. She will know she is never alone and there are people around her that understand her and want to help her, more than just her mom ❤️. Thank you to all special needs teachers! ❤️

[@maliaprescott]

I’m autistic and OT changed my life. Great job doing what’s best for your daughter ❤️

[@biancaberry777]

I have a bachelors of education and I know of someone who does “unschooling”. It’s pretty much letting the kids stay home and do nothing. I think it’s absolutely horrible and the height of laziness when it comes to parenting.

[@monstermcboo7282]

We are a homeschooling family so I know a lot of other homeschooling families. I know a handful of unschoolers. Only one family is doing that right IMO. The rest are, TBH, lazy and selfish parents with wild, anxious brats for children. 😭

[@jessica97939]

It is possible to unschool well. It is similar to Montessori learning. A well prepared environment with crazy amounts of record keeping to ensure that kids are meeting standards. To be done well it would take an enormous amout of work.

[@kathyblair3530]

One of the most disturbing incidents, for me, concerning E, was when one of their cousins had the tip of his finger cut off, by a door which E slammed. At the time, the children were all inside the tiny house they were renovating and Megan and Mike were not supervising. Mike was very passively aggressively angry about how E had recently been slamming doors in frustration, insisting that she needed to learn not to do that. So many unanswered questions about the incident. Firstly, why did E slam the door in frustration? Do the kids find it amusing to wind her up until she loses her temper? Is that why, with a lack of supervision, she acted out? Secondly, if you give a child no outlet for frustration, how to you expect her to act? They have given her no means of communication - verbal or otherwise. They guess at what she is trying to say and it’s very obvious they have no idea what she is actually trying to say. When she does express her feelings, they mock her or force her into doing things anyway. They don’t give her strategies to deal with frustration or anger. They don’t model behaviours for their other children to encourage them not to push her too far. Instead, E got the blame for the whole finger incident and was told off for it, when she knows no other way of behaving. The fault here is her parents. Protect her. She is vulnerable. Don’t put her in situations where she is so frustrated or angry that she hurts someone else. That’s grossly negligent and grossly unfair - both to E and the kid who lost his finger!

[@stephaniemac7635]

Geeze it was an accident and one that has happened in thousands of families across the world. It could have been any of their kids who done it

[@kathyblair3530]

@@stephaniemac7635 I’m not disagreeing with that. Nevertheless, Mike did shame E on the video for her actions and their nephew did lose the tip of his finger. Meanwhile the parents accepted on responsibility and expressed no remorse. Megan even went thrift shopping while waiting mother and the little boy to come out of the ER. Strange…very, very strange. If the tip of my nephew’s finger had been cut off while he was under my care, the last thing I would be thinking about was thrifting! Still, it takes all sorts…

[@drenchmeinlavender]

I’m sorry but infantilizing someone with a disability is just wrong and shows you haven’t been around many disabled people. They are able to know right from wrong and just like any child sometimes you need to reprimand them. As long as it’s not extreme you should tell them when they do something wrong. I’ve grown up around many of my disabled cousins and family members and they are not “babies” they are normal people.

[@nicholeopdyke1946]

There's a huge difference between infantilizing someone with a disability and providing them with instruction and means to be able to communicate frustration. They are not mutually exclusive teaching points - you can teach a kid a reliable means to communicate 'I'm frustrated, please stop,' AND that there are consequences for actions.

[@amandagold4498]

Also, Jordan..love when you're like "you can disagree and you can send me your articles but if they aren't peer reviewed don't waste your time." Because science 💁‍♀️. SEE. That's why I'm a patron. Love yall!!!

[@JordanandMcKay]

Throwing DOWN.

[@Mila-Rosa]

I just watched the part where E was scared to go into the tunnel and was being dismissed by her parents and needed to say this. I've been a nanny for nearly a decade and was babysitting for a while before I started nannying. I cannot emphasize how important it is to not only acknowledge but validate your child's emotions regardless of their age. The way they feel may not make sense and might seem ridiculous to you but it's not to them. Don't dismiss them.

[@andips2146]

This is so important! Spent many afternoons at kids parties because a child I watched that had social anxiety was too nervous to stay without me.

[@kendalllee7622]

thank you so much for addressing the language around disabled people and children! And just being so conscious about it, a lot of people don't even consider or realize it. I'm glad you guys are educating yourself's and speaking about it, it really does make a difference.

[@aurorasunset16]

As a child who struggled with an undiagnosed anxiety disorder, it's not okay to force people to do things that are unnecessarily scary. I was in this type of situation many times and got made fun of.

[@hannerikruger7216]

Being just thrown into the deepend really does not helo

[@abarlow86]

Ok. I have been asking myself for a while about them. First of all, they don’t school at all. Not even home school. They don’t show themselves doing lessons at all with the little ones. The youngest has a speech issue and I don’t think he’s getting any therapy. The child with downs is very little attention. She’s basically just hanging around the house. Well basically that’s all they do. Just hang out at home and get no supervision. Megan is so obsessed with going to thrift stores it’s ridiculous. The adopted older girls have basically tuned her out and do their own thing. Pearl the oldest adopted for into beauty school so she’s actually getting a skill. The oldest one just got back from his Missy and he seems lost. The one biological son is basically a pyro. He’s into blacksmith but he’s getting no supervision at all. They bought him a forge and he was using it in supervised on the carport. What? He’s 12? Keep looking into th em. They’re not right

[@kristinharding9160]

I've watched K&S for awhile- The situation with E is appalling. She is verbal but doesn't speak well enough for anyone to understand her. She's clearly capable of better speech if only she had speech therapy. Or sign language, or a communication device. She is traumatically isolated by their refusal to give her any resources at all. They think their value is that she's travelled the world- I can only imagine the misery she experienced doing that- with no routine, no comforts, inadequate supervision- appalling! Their Peru trip (which was a month long horror show) was even given instead of having a Christmas for the kids. The house they lived in 6 months ago- they had the poor girls in triple stacked bunk beds with 6 inches of head space each- despicable. Megan has a compulsive shopping (thrift stores) disorder and their living situation is continuously in chaos as she overpacks their house with silly restoration projects. And Mike is just complicit in the whole thing.

[@pppamelis]

I found it disgusting that even on DS awareness day they couldn't bother to bring Eve to a community event so she could be amongst her peers. It's been proven that when people of DS are part of a community of others with DS they thrive.

[@haniinii]

Re: E… I’ve seen some people say her speech even appears to have regressed over the years. I doubt anyone saying that is a speech therapist, but if it’s noticeable by laymen that’s a little concerning. Her parents don’t invest the time/money to get her the adequate speech therapy she needs and it breaks my heart.

[@haniinii]

Oh and I agree the way they had their kids stacked like sardines in that tiny bungalow was awful. I think there’s a marked difference between having to live in a tight space due to financial strain, and choosing to squash your kids in there for no good reason when you have more than enough money to afford otherwise. Awful

[@mayag8469]

I feel bad for Mike sometimes I feel like she has all these dumb ideas a d he just goes with it 😩

[@montrealderogatory]

As a special educator, (and I'm sure Jordan can speak to this) but generally consistency is EXTREMELY important for kids who are disabled or need extra support. So actually a structured homeschooling style with services included could be great (as long as social aspects are included), but only if it's done right. This is obviously not what is happening here. I just feel really bad and honestly angry about the situation as a whole.

[@carterjames3894]

As a disabled person, Jordan's explanation of using disabled terminology almost made me tear up. I have never heard an able-bodied person advocate for us like this. Thank you so much! "Disabled" and "disability" are not dirty words. "Special needs" or "differently-abled" ARE offensive. Thank you for speaking out, Jordan!

[@JordanandMcKay]

Some people aren’t willing to learn something new especially when their internalized ableism prohibits them from learning from those with disabilities! Glad we can be thought of as advocates.

[@hailyjohnson407]

I always go back and forth with which I prefer. I have ADHD, which is sometimes classified as a learning disability, but is technically a neurodevelopmental disorder that sometimes affects learning, but it didn't for me. But there are some things I just absolutely cannot do. But it's seen as me being lazy or irresponsible when I lose track of time or can't focus to do hours of homework but can listen in class and do well on exams. I kind of like the ring that "differently abled" has, because there are many things I just am incapable of doing that neurotypical people can, but also things that I can do that they can't thanks to my weird brain. But also, it really downplays the difficulties I encounter, and I'm ok with acknowledging it as a disability, because calling it "differently abled" implies that it's not a big deal that I can't do certain things, but it IS a big deal in my education.

[@EloiseEighteen]

Agree!!!!

[@bep5999]

I know my brother actually prefers the term special needs for himself, because in school the word disabled was related as such a bad and hurtful word. So I think it’s always possible that people listen to what people want to be referred to. I’m a teacher and I’m always shocked at how little some people know about being kind and respectful of others.

[@earlgreydionne1489]

@@bep5999 I'm a woman in my 50s who's become disabled through chronic autoimmune disease. I was under the impression that disabled was a dirty word. Now it just means I can't do what I used to. I try not to limit anyone now and listen

[@meluvfriends]

Jordan calls back "uhh can you come pickup your kid they still have a stomach ache and now they are all greasy"😂😂

[@JordanandMcKay]

And my whole classroom smells like cinnamon and cloves.

[@ashleyw7891]

The parents are doing themselves a disservice too. Having a child with high needs can be incredibly isolating. Shouldering that weight with professionals can be so helpful!

[@JordanandMcKay]

This is a wonderful point!!

[@aimeeb6321]

I watched K & S recently, and Megan and her bio children all held their heads together to show how their hair all matched in curl and color. Their adopted children were all there, and I felt it was very hurtful for them to witness that. Maybe I took it the wrong way, but did notice the adopted kids were very quiet. “Look at how much we look alike, and you don’t.” That’s how it felt to me.

[@JordanandMcKay]

Uhhhhhhh yikes on bikes. Even if it’s unintentional, someone that is actively mindful of how their adopted children could feel left out would not do that.

[@LieneBosch]

A

[@susandeane8673]

You took it the wrong way. I saw that episode too, no hurt intended or perceived.

[@orion6746]

Thank you for making this video about the Knorpps. It is needed! The disservice they are doing to these kids by not educating them is saddening.

[@irairod5160]

Thinking that you can "save" someone means that you feel you are above them in some way. They didn't say adoptive children "don't recognize you as family right away" or "don't recognize you as someone they can trust yet" or "don't recognize you, in the beginning, as a person who will love them forever". Even the word "recognize" is a bit problematic in this context, since it could mean you feel you deserve accolades...to be formally acknowledged for something of merit. I feel super icky about what feels like a Freudian slip on his part.

[@kaseymay-t7i]

Isn't their whole missionary work based on "saving" other people?

[@jacklyndawson6873]

I stand kind of in the middle on this discussion. One thing to note about E’s education is that they did try sending her to public school for special education and they explained that they (the school) were setting extremely low expectations for her and sitting around watching movies and tv most of the day. My brother has special needs and he has been in some programs that are awesome and some that totally sucked. So I think the education runs the gamut there. Also, mike typically works with her one on one everyday for several hours. Not saying your wrong, it’s just important info

[@freckledcrafts86]

It's a very small thing but coming out of pandemic social isolation my 5 year old 100% needed the amazing public school support including speech and individualized behavior teaching. Public school is amazing for so many and honestly those kids deserve school w other children not what mom and dad decide they want

[@keriezy]

My biggest concern for the kids is the unschooling. The youngest biological kid didn't know where his elbow was... he was 10 or 11 at the time. The oldest kids did go to school st some point and did learn some of the basics, but the 4 youngest a have the most catching up to do. I do think a lot of what we learn is trivial and unnecessary but the basics of algebra, science, English, and history are important to be useful to society in any meaningful way.

[@justamom863]

E was evaluated when they moved to NC and determined she would be placed in on a special ed campus and in the severe and profound classroom with speech and OT ect. Megan wasn't happy with that so she pulled her out to homeschool her. J (their youngest son) wanting to be in public school but they pulled him out too because they didn't want to drive just one child to campus each day.

[@sandawise79]

And if kids were in school they couldn't travel

[@PlainANDplaid]

@@sandawise79 true, but it appears they haven’t traveled in a couple years aside from short vacations pretty typical of a states family 🤷‍♀️

[@tinydancer7426]

@@PlainANDplaid But, they do pick up and go on little vacations from time to time ...... like their lives are so overly taxing from jobs that they just have to get away from it all. Nope, the kids not being in public school means the family can come and go as they please.

[@mdharris291]

Public school would also mean that there would be a schedule that they would have to follow. That would not work with the whims of Megan and her need for workers at home to see the whims enacted.

[@mommarichman]

As a parent who has done it all (homeschool, online public, public charter, unschool, traditional homeschool, etc), for each individual child , I feel it's important to point out that many of us try public schools and they fail our kids over and over. One of my children was evaluated (out of pocket because the school wouldn't do it) by a neuropsych, was diagnosed with severe dyslexia - second percentile for his age. The school refused to even note the diagnosis, and just called it reading difficulties - then made him come in to school an hour early 3 days a week. He was made to sit at a table, handed a book and was told to read. When I called them on it, we were told he was magically at grade level and removed from services. For a different kid - at an IEP meeting with me, school psych, school admin, and case manager - the teacher looked me in the eye and said my kid wasn't 'worth services.' No joke. All education is valid if the needs of the child is the primary focus.

[@MM-yh2mi]

Thank you for sharing a different perspective. I, too, have tried public, private, and home education options. My child had a terrible experience at three public schools. I ultimately decided to homeschool my child and it was the best choice for her. She is thriving at home and receiving far more services than public school ever offered. Public school is not perfect and is not a good fit for every child.

[@sophiehobley828]

​@@MM-yh2mithey did specifically say that public school wasn't perfect or for every child, and that homeschooling was the right option for some kids

[@mal1100]

You both speak so eloquently. Jordan you are so intelligent, articulate, strong, warm, and stunningly beautiful. McKay is so open, kind, handsome, and authentic! Thank you for the great content, entertaining content. we know how busy you to must be with daily life, raising a youngster, school, etc. Thank you! YOU are both SO appreciated. You make my days & laughter is the best medicine!

[@JordanandMcKay]

Thank you, you’re so kind!

[@beultra3083]

My mom was a public school psychologist, so basically her whole job was making sure special education students got the proper care and education. She even helped some of them get jobs in town after they graduated. It's HARD, and it takes a lot of time and work from a lot of people. If you want to home school a child, you better be ready to hire that team.

[@tonia.5861]

I’ve watched several episodes of this family and I agree that there is a major difference in how they treat the adopted children vs bio children. In addition, the older adopted girls do a LOT of the work around the house (at least from what I saw) The mother is not particularly affectionate to the children while the father seems more warm and affectionate to them.

[@wordnerd543]

That might be more about their standards of what girls vs boys do, since I don't believe they have biological daughters. Not denying what you're saying, but the root cause may not stem from adoption vs biological, more male vs female roles.

[@sydnierosenfeld8229]

@@wordnerd543 yeah but they have two adopted sons and they aren’t treated the same either

[@JJ-el6qx]

@@sydnierosenfeld8229 really? I would say thats not entirely true. Jude the youngest adopted boy is doted on so much especially compared to her 2 bio "twin boys" who are a bit older and seem more in the background. The oldest adopted boy tho, did seem a bit more distant. Perhaps it's the age difference 🤷🏽‍♂️ fact that he was so much older

[@Sparklecatofdoom]

Completely, completely off topic, but I just have to say what a great couple you guys are. "Relationship goals" seems grossly trendy, and unfit to comment... but it's also kinda how I see you. As someone a few years out of an abusive marriage, it's clear in your videos the mutual respect and affection you have for one another. You're authentic and raw, and so clearly a team. It's awesome and gives me hope ❤

[@JordanandMcKay]

Aw! Thank you so much! Sending you so much love!!

[@jules-vs3nw]

I quit watching the Knorpps. It infuriated me that these people don't allow Eve the services she deserves. She cannot communicate. They have said that she is going to therapy for speech but I have not seen any improvements. Also most therapists would have done an evaluation on Eve. I have a son who is non verbal. Why did they not teach her sign language? I stopped watching when they showed a video with Eves hand down her pants scratching. This child has NO say in what is shown and they allowed that to happen for everyone to see. These people are cruel to her. NOT allowing her the services she deserves is abuse.

[@sophiehobley828]

Sorry they put WHAT on the internet??? Ffs that's appauling!

[@nmikloiche]

Doesn’t surprise me that the are unschoolers since they are also unworkers. It’s crazy to think that all these fools make mad cash basically taking vacations and abusing their kids. Don’t come for me people - these children are being forced to appear on these videos, they are too young and vulnerable to consent to any of this, have no control over editing and how the end product comes out looking, and unschooling is simply just the adults being lazy, and not providing education to your child is abusive.

[@rene9568]

I found them because my husband and I were looking into what living full time in an RV would look like. I watched a few videos which seemed normal. When I realized they have multiple kids with special needs, both mentally and physically, that they put in uncomfortable situations constantly I was completely appalled.

[@Jordan-bm8lp]

Having happy little painted toes can be one tiny ray of sunshine while giving birth, maybe! I’ve never given birth, but it would help me feel less vulnerable and happier about myself to have my toes looking better in such a vulnerable time

[@angeldream1]

I definitely had my husband paint my toenails with our second one. It was pretty good and helped me feel better and it was black 🤍 It’s such a good idea if someone is able to

[@joannec8888]

How would it make you feel if I was to imply that your husband must be gay if he is painting his nails black! Even a little demonic? I could really create a storyline if I wanted to be malicious couldn’t I?? Clean up your act! You’re better than this I hope!

[@karenberhow7483]

@@joannec8888 the comment says nothing about that? Was something deleted? Or did you comment on the wrong one?

[@eelore5271]

@@joannec8888 the really sad thing is that you probably have no idea how messed up that statement you just made is. And I’m not even talking about the fact that you directed it towards Jordan and McKay. The statement on its on is seriously cringy and discriminating af! Why do you think it’s so malicious and scandalous to call someone gay? I think perhaps you need to take your own advice and clean up your act.

[@alice_rabbit8345]

When I had my hysterectomy I dyed my pubes purple. It made me happy, gave me a sense of control over my body and gave the nurses a giggle! 💜

[@juliecross6915]

I've truly wondered how the exploitation of E is legally allowed on YT. They frequently film a reluctant, upset, exhausted E being dragged on their hikes. Their trip to South America was next level neglect! The kids were sick had blue lips because the Parents misjudged a map and drove into radically sky high altitude.

[@Hopeyunit]

What?! And they filmed this and posted it on KZbin?!?! That is horrifying.

[@mastiffmom2592]

My son absolutely despised school. In Elementary School he made good grades and in Middle School he had okay grades. In 6th grade we put him in private school which did not go well. I tried homeschooling him in 7th grade… Disaster. So, back to public school, he trudged. He was in High School when we went on lockdown and they closed schools. He and his dad had been talking about online high school, like regular, accredited, not homeschooled, high school. I didn’t know anything about it. Anyway, my son needed 5 classes to graduate so when all the kids were home bound he did a class a month to graduate. He finished school 6 months earlier, at his pace, he got straight A’s and we all loved it. I wish we had known about it sooner, it would have saved all 3 of us from major disagreements. The takeaway is everybody’s different. Every child learns different and I am a terrible homeschool teacher! 🤣

[@ChardeeMacdennis339]

Ok so here’s the thing. Travel can offer amazing teachings and benefits for children. I think all kids should travel (obviously if possible... I know it’s really not for a lot of people). However, NOT IN PLACE OF AN EDUCATION. Yes, they are ruining their children’s lives by depriving them of an education. So sad. My kids are in school and we still manage to travel. You can do both! Smh

[@tammy-vl5if]

Their recent video, his eldest son signing up for a dating app and they were filming it. Like it was Soo uncomfortable how everybody was there. His son needs to figure out himself not Infront of everyone

[@jobethk588]

There exists a stereotype of children with DS being so "sweet and loving and quiet." E. does not fit that stereotype and I have gotten the feeling that bothers her mother. E. is bouncy and vivacious and deserves so much more than she gets. Please forgive me if I said something disrespectful or thoughtless. I didn't mean to.

[@JordanandMcKay]

I definitely hear what you are saying. I think a lot of people who adopt children with disabilities don’t have a great idea of what lays ahead. If you have expectations of them acting or being a certain way, you’re bound to be disappointed. And that goes for any child.

[@Lemonade_Stand_]

I went to school with a girl who had DS and she was very violent and loud, she would tip over the desks at school when she wouldnt get her way and would often bite people. I assumed all were like this but i was horribly mistaken. I didnt realize that Down Syndrome is a spectrum disorder so there are some that are more high functioning than others. There are some that absolutely can and do live alone with very limited assistance while others will always need someone to help them with day to day tasks. Jubilee has a cool video where they got a group of people with DS and asked them questions and it was amazing how well spoken many of them were.

[@hbtried7818]

@@Lemonade_Stand_ I mean, the same disability can affect one person more or less than another, or one person can need a lot of accommodations in one aspect of a disability but not need much accommodation for another aspect of that disability, but also I feel like it’s ignorance when people assume that all person with X will behave in one way. It’s as if some people think that disabled people aren’t going to have personality and individual preferences as much as non disabled people do. It’s so goofy-if you lost your vision tomorrow or got a TBI or what have you, you’d need help with some stuff but you’d still have a lot of the same traits you do now

[@Lemonade_Stand_]

@@hbtried7818 What you are describing is a spectrum. Like people with Autism, some can be super high functioning and live normal lives while others are unable to speak or walk, that's what a spectrum is. It effects different people differently and there are different severities of it too just like Down Syndrome. You will also notice that i spoke in past tense, meaning i no longer believe those things anymore. Plus keep in mind i had those assumptions in elementary school and it wasnt until i got to highschool and was exposed to more disabled kids that i realized not all were like the previous.

[@moo_jessye]

My question is how does ‘unschooling’ benefit the child in the future? Like how are they expected to get diploma and job if they aren’t learning a standard curriculum?

[@moo_jessye]

@@Aseeber84 okay well that didn’t really answer my question. So for example if algebra 2 is required for the ACT how are you teaching that if you don’t follow a curriculum? Like how does that play into your everyday life enough that you’ll be certain your child is going to succeed in collage mathematics? Also- how does a collage accept someone who is ‘unschooled’ when they need scores and high school credits to even be accepted?

[@tallman7100]

So glad to hear this. I am legally blind and and was in special Ed. I m in my 40s and am a mom and wife.

[@JovanDacic]

My limited experience with "unschooling" students was about a decade ago. They were all kids pulled out of public schools due to bullying or a vast difference in learning speeds and styles compared to their peers. It was just an unstructured alternative to the typical K-12 curriculum, allowing the student to choose their own pace and subject matter. The parents seemed genuinely invested in their children's well-being, and often took them to enriching activities, such as museums, farmer's markets, gardens, and cultural events, not gallivanting around the country on social media. These folks even complained that all the major homeschooling curricula back then were super unscientific fundie junk like Abeka and Bob Jones University. However, nowadays I see almost exclusively religious folks doing homeschooling and unschooling; the homeschool alliance program her is jam-packed with prairie dress girls and clean-cut boys. I suspect much of the religious homeschooling here is because of persecution complexes and objections to LGBTQ people existing.

[@Nesi-Rose]

Religious families might also be more likely to have a parent who stays home with the kids, whereas most families wouldn't have someone available for homeschooling.

[@eelore5271]

I homeschool but I’m not a fundie and I use regular curriculum not religious curriculum. I think I’m a rarity in the homeschool community lolol I’m also supportive of the LGBTQ community. I am a Christian but I’m not conservative or mainstream Christianity obviously 😂😂. I’m a believer in science and have all my vaccines and my child’s vaccines up to date including the covid vaccine for myself. We are very rare homeschoolers but we do exist. Most of us are just tired of the bad school system here. We have some amazing teachers but their hands are tied by a horrible system. My child gets private services for speech and OT and we use an online curriculum that’s great and not religious. I teach my child about God but I don’t teach her the hate that I see in mainstream Christianity.

[@JovanDacic]

@@eelore5271 Thanks for speaking up, I am happy to hear of other people nowadays homeschooling with love and acceptance. Much love to you and yours!

[@joannec8888]

@@eelore5271 I defended the knorpps on all the accusations in this video. I do it because this video is a disgraceful hit job against a family that has shared a glimpse of their lives with people. GLIMPSE. And you have admittedly taken some others comments and assumed they must be true and added your own and put them out there as fact! SHAME ON YOU FOR THAT. Mike is college educated as a marriage counselor and his temperament and how he handles his kids speaks volumes imho. Megan has a degree in film making and is an accomplished photographer. They have been married over 20 years now. They had a small farm at one time . They use to make all there own food. They traveled full time for about a two year stretch. That’s it! They camp with the kids on short toad trips especially during Covid this last year. They got vaccinated. Those kids are smart as whips! Daniel taught himself piano and the oldest plays guitar. Danial learned yo make bread from Mom and he had a little neighborhood business selling his bread at one point. These kids are learning skills about what is possible when they have an idea! Another wants to be a writer and has a ghost tour business in their town that he is loving it! The local news interviewed him recently on TV! Another daughter Pearl loves making jewelry so Megan took her shopping supplies and she has literally been making beautiful jewelry for a couple years now. Her mom helped her get set up online and taught her how she can sell her jewelry. These are skills that people go to college to learn and these kids are way ahead of most kids In my opinion from what I see. Esther loves doing hair! So , they have provided supplies to her over the years for her to learn all about styling, coloring etc. She recently graduated HS and is now in beauty school and loving it! The Knorpps have sung the praises of a master class learning data base that’s online. Their family is big on audio books too! They have spoken extensively if you bother to do your research, on EVE and what they have tried at different times , to help her live a full life and learning. those kids are very well socialized just from what I see which is a glimpse. Another son has an interest in metal smithing. So mike got him some starter tools and also took a special trip a metal smith shop that offers classes and they took a tour and a class. That son continues to read and learn the craft by making things! They treat their kids with respect and they learn about cooking together, building projects together around home. Hiking, sharing , creating traditions as a family. They have used the times they traveled as teaching tools ! Those kids have had a chance to experience things most adults don’t ever get to experience in their lives!! They have created memories that their kids will carry with them forever!! EVE and JUDE are still young enough to share a room under their current situation and your comments and implications are malicious in my opinion. Get a life and stop acting like a cheap tabloid that makes up crap about others just to get viewers and subscribers! YOU ARE THE ONES WHO ARE EXPLOITING PEOPLE! Grow up!

[@marlowemayhem3230]

@@joannec8888 😆You lambast someone for judging, based on "just a glimpse" of their life on KZbin. Then you proceed to go into a tirade, pulling out baseless tidbits that you gleaned....on KZbin. 😆🤡

[@tillyfrogfreak]

I don't know that you will ever see this comment, but as a former child whose disabilities arose in middle school, thank you, thank you Jordan. The accommodation that I was given was to put me in the home bound program. I felt so, so isolated and the bright spot in there was that my parents got me a puppy & I absolutely poured my heart and soul into her. My guidance counselor was absolutely clueless as how to help me. I was really struggling with endurance of making it through the school day due to various issues with my hips, bladder, and reproductive system. The pain was nauseating and caused severe depression. Not having my peers around made everything that much worse--our schedules were opposite since my "classes" were in the evening. I hope that the school district has improved by now--this whole situation occurred that was one of the top three high schools in the state.

[@JordanandMcKay]

Never say never! It's awful to see how some peoples' decisions affect the children and it sounds like your accommodations were more a convenience for other people than for you; which is awful. We hope things are going okay for you

[@madelynsaner6739]

Thank you for talking about person-first vs identify-first language in terms of disabled people. As a disabled person myself, I’ve noticed a lot of non-disabled people who are uncomfortable using identity first language when, in fact, there’s a huge movement in the disability community in making identity-first language the norm. I prefer being called a disabled person because it’s a part of who I am and how I identify!

[@JordanandMcKay]

That’s exactly why I wanted to talk about that!

[@LuckyGirlsTown]

Same. From what I’ve seen and read online, preferring identity-first language is mostly about the disability being an integral part of someone’s identity. I’m autistic. I don’t need to be as a person with autism. I already know I’m a person. And autism isn’t something that can be separated from who I am, it has always been and will always be a part of me. Person-first language to me makes it sound like my disability is an illness, like saying „this is a person with cancer / diabetes etc“ when it in fact isn’t, can’t be cured and that shouldn’t be implied through language. Anyway, those are my two cents :) I can’t speak for those with Down syndrome of course and everyone should be asked individually what terminology they prefer.

[@madelynsaner6739]

@@LuckyGirlsTown Yes!! I love how you explained it! I became disabled in my early teens due to my chronic illnesses, so I’m now an ambulatory wheelchair user. Because I do need a wheelchair, it’s very obvious when I go out that I’m disabled. When I’m using my wheelchair, they’re my legs, therefore becoming part of me. It took me years to accept being disabled and even longer to be proud of that fact. Of course, all disabled people have an opinion on whether they prefer identity- or person-first language, I just think that non-disabled people need to stop deciding things for disabled people!

[@knotcoppercurls]

The situation with E not receiving services is even worse than you're saying. She *was* in public school but they pulled her out because "they were sticking her in front of a TV all day." And they were paying their oldest daughter to do "speech therapy" with E while they were traveling. It's awful. (Younger me was a huge fan before I realized how exploitative it is.)

[@sarawendell4775]

I was looking for this comment!!! They also filmed a video about her IEP meeting, stating that they were unhappy with her scores on standardized tests and knew that she could be her “own kind of genius”, but then refused to have her in a specialized school or classroom setting where she could get the supports she needs to learn and develop the skills and talents she has. Unbelievable

[@sydnierosenfeld8229]

@@sarawendell4775 right like she doesn’t need to go to school to get good standardized test scores she needs to go to school to become as independent as she can possibly be, whatever that would look like for her. They seem to think it’s all or nothing she’ll never be able to do anything for herself or be 100% independent

[@nikkisilas897]

What I didn't understand though - is why they had to pull little J at the same time when he was doing great in school

[@lsun5322]

@@nikkisilas897 they said they didn’t want to drive just one kid to school, so they pulled him out. Just heartbreaking and so selfish.

[@evelinholmes6401]

@@nikkisilas897 it would interfere with her shopping and other outside the home activities. The mother is definitely a nutcase. Self centred.

[@haniinii]

Oh man, I used to casually watch K & S back when they were RV living (pretty much just the stuff focused on RV life, I might add, since family vlogs are generally a snorefest) lost interest soon after, and when you guys mentioned them in last weeks video I did some googling to see what they’ve been up to…. needless to say, yikes on bikes!!!! Can’t wait for your thoughts on em

[@cjonesjr]

Same!

[@carmenc3224]

Yikes on bikes might be my new favorite thing

[@melisa8256]

It’s always bothered me how differently they treat the bio children & the adopted ones. They especially favor their oldest son. I’m sure they explained the not taking their son & daughter on trips because of Covid. One son is still on his mission trip & their prized oldest just came home. Megan is always worried about Megan and slapping paint on anything she can get her hands on. It’s always seemed as if E annoys her, like Mike is the one who “works” with E in the little school books they do for 10-15 a day. E is so smart and is capable of so much more. They enjoy teasing her more than anything else. It’s also really strange to me that they STILL have E & their youngest son (adopted) sharing a bedroom! E is 12 and definitely deserves the privacy of any other girl her age. The amount of money they’ve made being oily huns is disgusting. I think now they just use them and don’t sell them anymore. Also Megan did go to an actual doctor when she had some skin cancer.

[@andreakubiak4778]

With regard to your whole section about children with disabilities, I wanted to mention that it is likely that all of their adopted children would qualify for some services based on trauma history. Most kids who were adopted qualify for some type of trauma related diagnosis, all of which qualify for accommodations under Section 504. These accommodation can be as simple as preferential seating or as complex as OT, counseling, and extra academic help all provided at school!

[@Marie-sv1jt]

Talking about not knowing the ramifications of family vlogging: Carlos Whittaker recently interviewed his teenage son on his podcast about what it was like growing up with videos and stories of yourself being shared online. I haven’t listened to the whole thing yet but the clips I’ve heard are insightful. Bottom line, there are videos out there that his son would rather not be out there, but there’s nothing they can do about it now.

[@nicolaalexander2393]

I've been watching the knorpps for a while now and I thought Megan was cruel in the mine, you could see Eve was scared and I found them very unloving and unkind at the moment. It did not sit well with me.

[@shoop5959]

That was appalling and it makes me wonder how she treats her when the cameras aren't on.

[@nicolaalexander2393]

@@shoop5959 I know thats what I think too. I tried to watch there new video last night but I can see them in a whole new light and it's disturbing. They are ment to be people of God but I can see how selfish and self centred they are. I had to turn it off and I won't be watching them anymore, unsubscribed too!

[@TheOfficialHeatherAnne]

Just wanted to say that E did get glasses but because she doesn't like how they feel, instead of working with her, they gave up and don't have her wear them. E has learned that if she doesn't like something to have a total meltdown and the parents will give into her. She did this with speach therapy and when they did have her in a special ed class at a public school for like 3 or so months. They let E run the show for her well being and you can't do that with a child. She wasn't being hurt, she just wants to hang out all day and play. I do agree with others too that Megan is just a little overboard with her oldest son. It's actually sick. They just recently lied on their video for their girls room, saying they don't have their kids in the videos to protect their privacy. WHAT? I had already quit watching but saw a new one in my feed, so watched and honestly I am beyond done with those people. I only watched them because of the travel anyways but yeah done. I feel for the 3 girls.

[@JordanandMcKay]

Oh yeah! That’s the danger of having no expectations or boundaries or routine. When the children get put in school with all those things, the child is going to be frustrated especially E. It’s a horrible habit to have any child thinking they can get their way if they just melt down. Parenting is hard for sure.

[@hbtried7818]

That’s so frustrating! The solution to glasses being extremely uncomfortable could be getting different glasses, or contacts, or using a neck chain so you only use your glasses when absolutely necessary and remain comfortable when seeing detail isn’t necessary-giving up on accommodating vision needs isn’t helpful

[@joannec8888]

@@JordanandMcKay YOU Don’t KNOW WHAT EXPECTATIONS THE KNORPS HAVE FOR EVE! None! You are making assumptions with no knowledge! Pathetic

[@michelereber8680]

@@joannec8888 You have made some nasty comments on this episode. If you hate what Jordan and McKay are saying why keep following them? For laughs and giggles maybe. Your rude and inappropriate verbiage is just plain dumb. And for goodness sake...stop following them. I guarantee you there is no way you will offend Jordan and McKay. So good luck to you!!

[@michelereber8680]

@@joannec8888 Your post is pathetic. Move along troll.

[@amyspeers8012]

I started watching when they were moving overseas. I was moving from the US to France at the time. I really cannot watch them now. Before I moved, I was a pediatric nurse and was a school nurse and an early intervention nurse. To see what they have done with E breaks my heart. Thanks for your intelligent comments.

[@sideshowratt]

There was another mommy vlogger (can't remember if she was Mormon or just evangelical) who adoped an autistic little boy from China, would include his vulnerable moments in her videos, and when she couldn't properly care for his disabilities, she *gave him away*. People with this type of KZbin channel should be barred from international adoption.

[@oliviafranke9323]

I moved every few years as a kid within an incredible loving family (my mom is a special ed teacher too! Thanks for all you do!). I honestly still struggle with life to this day if I don’t have a solid routine or if I need to move etc. Literally can’t imagine having a disability and living in an RV without services I would need. No stability in this family whatsoever. Horrifying

[@kiterafrey]

I admire the conviction in your voice when talking about special education. I wish my brother’s school had a special ed system like yours when he was growing up. I can tell by your passion alone that you’re an amazing teacher and mom.

[@JutaStokes]

My husband and I unschooled our kid when they were deemed by the public system to be ineligible for any supports despite their autism diagnosis. Unschooling, by following our child's special interests, was highly successful and as an adult they are highly literate with a wonderfully broad span of knowledge, but holy crap it was hard work! I was doing it full time while my husband worked and contributed part time and even after our kid went to sleep at night we were researching and designing ways to slip maths, geography, science, history...every area of knowledge into everyday's natural exploration of their interests. I knew dedicated parents with only three children who struggled to cope with the work of unschooling, no way can I imagine anyone managing it with nine kids of different ages, abilities, and needs.

[@JordanandMcKay]

This is exactly our point! Doing it effectively would to take so much time and effort! Sooo much props to you for doing that because it is hard work. But your child is going to reap the benefits of that for their whole life!

[@supergran62]

I was one of those sucked in by them in the early days. I stopped following when when they started the overseas travel. I forgot I was following them on Twitter. I would occasionally watch a video that showed up in my recommended, until I started watching Josh’s videos. I saw a Tweet from Megan that said something about how Trump was amazing and called her out on it. I got blocked [clutches my pearls] how rude!

[@kaylamd8570]

As a disabled person I really dislike person first language. I don’t know why it still being taught in schools as the preferred language. If you actually need a reminder that disabled people are real people, that’s your issue. I think we have too often elevated the voices of non-disabled family members, friends, disability professionals and “advocates” over the voices of disabled people. If you want to learn more about disability, you should listen to disabled people. To be clear if you are a person with a disability, I will support your right to self identify how you choose.

[@JordanandMcKay]

My thoughts exactly! You worded this perfectly. Thank you for sharing your thoughts here. They emphasized person first language SO much when I was in college. But we were also still reading from textbooks with the R word - so super dated. I’m hoping they’re listening to disabled people and making changes.

[@emilygrace3071]

I totally agree and dislike person first immensely (I’m also a disabled person otherwise I wouldn’t speak on it lol). It seems that a lot of the conversation surrounding language on disability is being had by people who are not disabled trying to look morally upright, and they end up looking ableist lol. For many of us, “disabled” is a big part of who we are and how we experience life, and that’s a-okay!

[@kimberlycherrine-bell5371]

And yet here I am a petson with multiply disabilities..I LIKE person first language..why..because NO ONE WANTS TO ADDRESS anyone as Autistic, Tourettes syndrome, partially sighted Kimberly..number one no ever remembers them all..and why should they have to unless they are providing me services or medical care..AND I have had the non joy of having each advocate group of each condition basically mad at me at one point of other for not identifying one or the other first ( like somehow first listed is most important or more prestige or something..hear it lots in the Austism community...Not one has less impact on my life than the other even when I is a more recent condition..So always ask and even in the communities stop shaming those who don't want to be known as laundry list of conditions first person..and many of us that have multiple conditions agree..oh I also suffer from life long lidoderma too..EVERYONE honors everyones reasons and cut people some grace if they get it wrong at times..seen way too much militant behavior over this and so many other topics...GRACE PEOPLE GRACE! don't forget it!

[@kaylamd8570]

@@JordanandMcKay Unfortunately I’ve had a similar dispute with a current professor in my graduate program.

[@kaylamd8570]

@@emilygrace3071 Sad how many of us are talked over and ignored.

[@fridab1952]

I made me so mad when Magan did the scary noise in front of E who was already scared to go into the tunnel, who does such a thing to their child and then just walk away! “Saviour” are you kidding me! My parents adopted 3 kids before they had me and it was not to save them they just wanted to have kids…

[@tammy-vl5if]

Megan loves her all 9 kids. N parents do this the same my parents did to me and I love my parents. So stfu

[@fridab1952]

@@tammy-vl5if I never she didn’t love the kids I said it wasn’t nice of her to make scary noises when E is already scared to go into the tunnel!

[@marigene8265]

@@tammy-vl5if you too, are assuming, you don't live in the Knorrp household! So you STFU!

[@Kellyc888]

As an adult who was homeschooled my entire childhood along with all my five older siblings by my right-wing, ultra-orthodox, Mormon parents who refused to allow us to attend public school because they didn't want us learning about evolution, gender equality, or receiving a sexual education because they were terrified that we would become "Worldly", I give the side eye to almost anyone who tells me that they homeschool their children as in my personal experience it is almost always done in the interest of the parents not as a decision to do what is most beneficial to the child. Just saying.

[@JordanandMcKay]

This is a valued perspective. I feel like your experience is common amongst Mormon parents unfortunately. I’m sorry you had to go through that.

[@butterbeanqueen8148]

My aunt had a disabled son. She was offered schooling and job training for him and was told after that he could probably live independently. She refused. She wanted to keep him in a child like situation. Once she died his brother took him in as an adult. It was very difficult for him but I commend him for doing that as he was told he should probably put him in a home because he was so dependent on help for everyday functions.

[@chocolatecoveredspam]

I was homeschooled and met some "unschoolers" that way. I've never seen it go well.

[@JordanandMcKay]

It sounds like there is a marked difference between the two.

[@pppamelis]

@@JordanandMcKay One is neglect disguised as letting some kid self direct their own education. The other is a perfectly acceptable form of education as long as the caregiver does their due diligence and it's the right fit for the student. Unschooling should be illegal, IMO.

[@Annie-fanny-bo-banny]

My kids went to public school and I worked really hard to encourage them to be curious and seek out answers outside of school.. I can't imagine any scenario where my kids would volunteer to learn multiplication tables or legible writing.

[@Being_Bohemian]

@@pppamelis I'd recommend reading the latest research results on unschooling and on unschooling outcomes, from reputable researchers including Dr Gina Riley, Dr Peter Gray, Dr Naomi Fisher, Dr Alan Thomas, Dr Harriet Pattison and Kerry McDonald. It's frustrating reading some of these comments when people speak from a place of ignorance.

[@melissacoviello2886]

I am hearing impaired, that’s the terminology I prefer, I think it’s medically accurate and it allows me to get the appropriate accommodations. However the Deaf and hard of hearing community for the majority prefer hard of hearing and strongly dislike the term impaired or disabled. I like to let people know what I prefer and to specify that I do not fall into the majority of my community.

[@kh1386]

So ...just to update 2 years later, they have sold their home, made a huge profit and are travelling in the RV again. Three teen-age boys and three teen-age girls, not blood related, sleeping in the same room. The teen-age autistic daughter is now literally sleeping in the same bed as the boy. I wonder if you can do an update to this family? What a nightmare for these kids!

[@Helen-cs2zx]

It made me really happy to hear you worked in Special Education, I was in special ed from kindergarten until 5th grade, while I had some awful experiences ultimately it did change my life for the better. You seem to genuinely care and have respect for children which is rare

[@Abby-jx9nx]

The one thing I know my parents have done for me that has been VERY Very good for me was taking me out of school in Middle school. I live in a very rural area and unfortunately we don't have the best education system here. I have ADHD and dyslexia but wasn't actually diagnosed until this year. I was treated very badly by a lot of the educators I had. The SN aides were terrible and I'm so glad I wasn't put into those classes. My mom homeschooled me, we only did the four course subjects i needed to have to be able to graduate, but we also mixed in things I was interested in and that's how i figured out what line of work Im going to be going into. I think that I would be where I am today if I was still in public school, and would probably have severe PTSD from being in school. So I was a case where homeschooling saved me.

[@JordanandMcKay]

There are many cases where it’s definitely appropriate and even needed! Our argument is that it requires a parent who is dedicated to providing all those supports and evaluating and providing additional ones if needed. I know plenty of well adjusted and intelligent people who have been homeschooled.

[@D_Parks]

Abby Do you not recognize that your lack of cohesive and comprehensive writing ability proves your homeschooling was poor at best? Your sentence structure, vocabulary and punctuation are barely at a third grade level.

[@AbbyPounce]

I would love a deep dive on Brooklyn and Bailey’s family! I only just found out the other day but they’re actually mormon and I think it would be a really interesting thing to cover :)

[@mayag8469]

I think their family is still mormon but the twins don't seem to be? they definitely don't wear garments and Bailey didn't say anything about marrying in the temple (she recently got married). they also went to Baylor, a christian (non mormon) university, but their younger sister is going to byu. idk, if they are Mormons they are weird mormons lol I hope they all managed to escape the cult ive been following the twins forever 😩

[@berrystraws]

The thing about unschooling and even some homeschooling… The way kids get accepted into college and have access to higher education is by getting a good SAT score. The SAT is a standardized test and if kids are self-directing their learning they are not necessarily going to pick up trig and pre-calc on their own. If your kids get into a good college, they gain access to multi-million dollar science labs, lectures from Pulitzer-Prize winning authors, and the ability to apply to internships at the most innovative companies in the world. Someone who can’t even pass the test to get a GED because they were unschoooled is going to be limited in life, period. They can go to a trade school or get a job that doesn’t require any special skills, which is totally fine. A kid with a great SAT score can also choose a trade skill or an unskilled job, OR they can choose to go to a great college and learn whatever they want. By not educating your kids you limit them at a very young age. That’s incredibly unfair and kids deserve to have agency over their future adult lives.

[@FiorLabhair]

Still need to watch the rest but I’m so glad y’all covered Knorp & South! They are kind of a rich minefield in terms of issues to cover (I know I mentioned them on Josh’s channel a few times so I’m glad they are being covered!)

[@swblanc]

Thanks for highlighting the Knorpps. I had been so disturbed by how unstable their kids' lives are. They can't seem to sit still for very long. And then on top of it, Megan's excessive and self-indulgent decorating and antiquing habits (which are probably for content) are putting their family at high risk for contracting/spreading covid and they waste time they could be spending educating or caring for their children especially their special needs daughter. But if you say anything like that in their comments, their fans will come for you.

[@kellyhauber7891]

You got me to subscribe with 'science-based'. I like your bold way of speaking. It's a breath of fresh air. I've watched the Knorpps and can agree on most of what you have pointed out.

[@ginathompson6845]

I had the same conversation with Megan in her comment section a few years ago. This little girl is not getting the services she needs. She needs to start leafning now how to live as an adult. Megan replied and said she knows her daughter and what her daughter needs. I stopped watching them because it hurt my heart watching her be a "parent". These kids have no stability. There is no way these people should have any kids. I watched recently their son coming home from his mission trip.. He could not pronounce easy words. Word he should know as a graduated student. This is so sad.

[@JordanandMcKay]

It seems that these people want their lives to be on display but they don’t want people criticizing them. You’re the first I’ve seen in the comments that wasn’t ignored or blocked.

[@mdharris291]

@@JordanandMcKay they are VERY smug about any criticism.

[@saradesonier8968]

Pyramid schemes can also have products. The distinction is that you earn more money from recruiting than you do from selling that product. Some MLMs have been declared pyramid schemes.

[@carolinerheaa1504]

Thank you guys for doing such an excellent analysis of this family. You brought to light many things that many people who follow them took notice of. You backed up everything with facts and remained objective. It was very interesting to hear your take on things because you are Ex-Mormons. You can shed light on things many of us who are not Mormons would not pick up.

[@JewelApril13]

I was unschooled, and technically you have to have a base curriculum, i.e. math, english, the basics. As well as adding extra curricular activities, when I was in school, I did animal husbandry, coding, and photography on top of the basics. I think for children who can't excel in a regular schooling structure. Public school was stressful because I couldn't learn at my own pace, or get the one on one help. But the way they are unschooling with not teaching basics it's illegal sooo, do with that what you will. There are only like two or three places that allow unschooling (basically you are a satellite school, that is affiliated with the school, and these schools require you to meet a part of their curriculum)

[@D_Parks]

@ Jewel Your inability to write in these comments cohesively and coherently proves that unschooling fails.

[@siochantaaon]

As a homeschool (3 kids homeschooled or homeschooling) mom I will say that I actually completely agree with you I also have twins who have significant disabilities and they attend public school, there is no possible way that I could give meet their educational needs in a way that will help them succeed long term and be independent which is as you stated the main goal.

[@melissaadams2981]

I just found your channel and I teach 1st grade and it makes me cringe that E is not getting services she may need-and it makes me think that the other kids won’t get what they also need. I think this pandemic taught us all that education with all it down falls does a job that many parents realized is hard. I grew up in Utah and you channel has been so eye opening. Thanks for sharing!

[@petermj]

i’d like to share a personal story speaking to the point of people with disabilities not always fully understanding the implications of their words/actions: my uncle had down syndrome. i grew up with him always in my home as his sister made my dad his caretaker. we didn’t find this out until it was too late, but my uncles sister was supposed to be sending my parents money from my uncles social security for all of his needs. she kept that money for herself. my parents of course provided everything they could for him, but he could’ve had so much more if he was given the money that was rightfully his. my uncle was a creature of habit and loved wearing his same pairs of jeans even if they had rips in them. he would put masking tape over the rips for reasons unknown to us, but he loved it. he went to a school for people with down syndrome throughout the week for as long as i can remember. i guess at this school someone made a report that we were neglecting him citing the ripped clothes as a reason, even though he genuinely liked to wear those clothes and even if he had new ones, he’d choose the old ripped ones. the adult protection services people asked him if he wanted to go somewhere else that wasn’t our home. my uncle agreed, not realizing they meant he would not be allowed to come back. my uncle loved going anywhere. if ever asked “hey george, do you wanna come…?” his answer was always “yeah!” all he knew was they were going to take him somewhere new. we didn’t find any of this out until the school bus didn’t bring my uncle back that afternoon. we were able to visit with home over the next few years, but from that day on, our family never felt the same. it’s now been 7 years since he passed and there’s not a day that goes by where i don’t wish we would’ve had those last few years with him still living with us. he was such a bright light of love and happiness in our home. i also have a cousin with down syndrome and two cousins who are deaf. seeing anyone be mistreated is upsetting, but it really hits home when it’s someone who is disabled because i know first hand how vulnerable they can be.

[@Melanie-yb1bz]

I just started following you guys this weekend. I'm so glad to see that you did this video. I've been watching Knorpp and South since the RV days. They are profoundly harming all of their children, especially E. They seem to have fallen down the ranks of DoTerra and are trying to climb back up. They have been using their children as free labor to renovate their small house. At one point, they were partly living in the renovated house and partly living in the small RV. Mike and Megan actually left the four youngest behind for a few days to take the second oldest bio son on his senior trip to England before he left on his mission. They made sure the little kids had running water before they left, and figured that was good enough. Megan is addicted to thrifting and home renovations. The five youngest are left to their own devices while she thrifts and Mike does home improvement tasks.

[@lizzieinMT]

I was homeschooled, and I knew a few "un-schoolers" they all severely struggled when they were teens since most of them could barely read and didn't know math. It makes homeschoolers look bad and I wish they couldn't get away with that! Especially with adopted kids.

[@kaseymay-t7i]

I think their reading must be well, because of their "scripture studies".

[@firstladybug874]

Their children read. Watch the show.

[@evelinholmes6401]

O ya don’t miss church and church activities. Let’s skip school ,not important.😖

[@maryanneceron8176]

Homeschooling mom over here, my respect for all teachers because it’s hard and you have to really dedicate your time to it. I think every parent should do what works for their kids. This family I have watched their videos and I don’t like what they show, I know parents who have kids with special needs and homeschool but because they homeschool they are able to do so many services and I haven’t seen any on the videos.

[@friezenfan]

I once had a comment flagged by them and for forever I will have warning above where you can comment. They claim that they are both equal, they will never be equal as as a Mormon the husband is always the head of the household and the wife will have to follow his lead. Great video. You just dipped you toes in. The knorpps are legit weird people neglecting their kids. Not even feeding them enough but the parents get to go on date nights weekly

[@angelacardova1911]

What so you don’t think a small bowl of beans & rice 3-4 times a week isn’t enough food? Lol

[@friezenfan]

@@angelacardova1911 and sometimes it looks like enough food but then they have people over for dinner

[@angelacardova1911]

@@friezenfan The only time I’ve seen enough food is when they do the ridiculous dress up Christmas dinner. And even then if it’s not insta pot made they’re likely not having it.

[@tiffanylynnmcclelland6632]

This video confirmed why you two are awesome and why I am so glad I follow you. Thank you for what you said about teaching and exceptional education. As a former high school teacher who had the privilege of working with ex-ed students, I could not agree more. You are right on the money!

[@elizabethgrogan8553]

I found it very disturbing that the father looks on himself as "the adopted children's saviour". It's a privledge to raise adopted children. My cousin has Down Syndrome. She attended a Special Needs school and flourished. She has a job, where she does the same job every day and loves it. She's dedicated to doing her best. We've always included her in our plans. To neglect their daughter, by not ensuring that she receives specialised education, is abuse. My cousin has a minor heart problem, for which she is medicated. She's seen by a specialist annually. Such issues are quite common in DS children & adults. Their tweets are horrible. Their right wing rhetoric is disgusting. Would never follow them.

[@JordanandMcKay]

Yes to all of this!!!

[@catherae2]

They are all very well educated. What is your purpose in bashing them?

[@catherae2]

No he doesn’t.

[@marlowemayhem3230]

@@catherae2 😆Take off your blinders.

[@catherae2]

@@marlowemayhem3230 No blinders here. Vlogs only include a 15 - 30 minute part of their day.

[@bellaanzideo2000]

I'm so glad that you guys are talking about this channel! I think the Mom (from watching their older videos) has a control issues. The parents always gave me such a sketchy vibe.

[@Ropecharud]

Yes! There is a lot more to this family that we don’t know about. The Mom seems narcissistic and totally gets on my nerves. And the fact that they make tons of money from MLM really raises my eyebrows.

[@irairod5160]

Is no one concerned about a family who would retweet "Support the Proud Boys" adopting children from China? From CHINA, given the political climate between that country and the US of A?

[@thedarkelfswife2282]

Jordan, I hear what your saying about special education but not all public schools acknowledge when there is a need for IEP. My 7yr old daughter was diagnosed with severe ADHD and dyslexia last year in 1st grade. I took all the doctor's reports to the school and they basically laughed at me and asked what they were supposed to do. So I started doing what I could at home to help her make progress in the right direction, but that only made things worse at school. My daughter was getting frustrated because they weren't giving her the help and attention that she needed at school and she started having meltdowns because of it. Instead of them helping her work through it or even calling me they would put her in an empty room all by herself and make her stay there the rest of the school day, even if she calmed down and asked to go back to class. As soon as I found out what was going on I went to the school board and superintendent but they only thing I got told was that they were doing all they could and there was nothing left for them to do. That was the day I pulled her from the school and never looked back. Not all schools have superhero educators like you that will lay down their lives for their students, some just show up from 8-4 to get a paycheck. I am now happy to say that after 1 whole year of homeschooling and going to independent counselors my daughter went from not being able to read at all to reading books at a 4th grade level (she's in 2nd grade).