Hello Knyght Errant, Matt Easton brought me here again. Beautiful to see how your channel had developed in the last months. Great videos. Can I share this particular one with our community on social media? I think many people will be interested in this information. :) Thank you.
@KnyghtErrant9 жыл бұрын
+Warhorse Studios Thank you! Absolutely, please share! I'm really enjoying the Alpha of Kingdom Come, you guys are doing great work, and I know people like me are very happy to see what you're doing!
@WarhorseStudios9 жыл бұрын
+Knyght Errant Great! Thank you :D
@WarhorseStudios9 жыл бұрын
+PromptLP Yeah, but Bethesda does only have their one Fallout beer, we do have our four Kingdom Come Deliverance beers... thats the main difference ;) Vielen Dank für deine Unterstützung. :)
@DevinSmith569 жыл бұрын
+Warhorse Studios So glad to see you here, keep up the great work on Kingdom Come.
@WarhorseStudios9 жыл бұрын
+DevinSmith56 Thank you. :)
@Rokaize9 жыл бұрын
For all the work he puts into these videos he deserves more views.
@xavierjoneskusumadi1384 жыл бұрын
True
@YLS87635 жыл бұрын
26:05-26:13 “ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!”
@NecroBones9 жыл бұрын
I wanted to point out that I'm really glad you've been mentioning breathing as important aspects with the helms. It's not obvious when people wear them briefly, but once you've done any sort of fighting or other activity in which you expend a lot of energy, it becomes an issue that the CO2 builds up in helms pretty quickly. In our armored combat, frequently we end up doing a large blowing exhale, to blow the air out through the breath holes and get some fresh air in afterward.
@TheNorthlander5 жыл бұрын
That is extremely fascinating, not something I've thought about before.
@pointynoodle3 жыл бұрын
Could helmets have "chimneys" on top that lets hot air out?
@orionmelton32267 жыл бұрын
Just got a Bascinet of historical quality. A few things need improvement, as it is an off the shelf item, but you have been a great guide for historical armor!
@johndumbeltion16938 жыл бұрын
You are the man ! You have been so helpful to me in my modifying my helmet . I am now working on the aventail . I did notice the way the maille is stitched to the leather is a running stitch rather than the looped stitch on the pictured historical Bascinet . Beautiful helmet it is , so I'm shure this is not an oversight , done by a sewing machine . I am 70 years old and finely living the dream of armor .
@duchessskye40726 жыл бұрын
I used to hate pigface and hounskull bascinets just as late as last week, however these last days I've oddly been starting to get charmed by them Damn you Ian and your charming charismatic beard ;)
@thatchannel1955 жыл бұрын
Same I still favor Armets and Close helms tho
@liammackenzie92835 жыл бұрын
@jeanluc305 Ironic, considering the only hounskull in KCD looks like a cheap SCA repro, lol.
@scootch42245 жыл бұрын
I personally like the Kettle helmet
@charlottewalnut31182 жыл бұрын
I kinda prefer bascinets to armets and armets to sallets and sallets to barbutes off to the side are Roman and Viking style helms as well as Persian/mongol which I like a lot but not as much as bascinets
@sarrumac4 ай бұрын
@@liammackenzie9283the zoul one is fine
@ME-hm7zm9 жыл бұрын
One thing I think would have been nice would have been having you speak through the various helmets, with the mic in front of you. Of course it's going to be muffled, but I'm curious as to how badly.
@KnyghtErrant9 жыл бұрын
+Michael Eversberg II You mean with the visor down? What I may do is do an experiment outside where I do exactly that. Speak and yell commands or something with the visor up and then with the visor down so you can hear the difference.
@ME-hm7zm9 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant Exactly; it is a practical concern for a helmet, so I think it's fitting that your series explores it. Is this the final one for your kit, here? Shall we not expect anything new a while?
@KnyghtErrant9 жыл бұрын
+Michael Eversberg II No, there are a couple more planned for the series (Kettle Helmets, probably a shorter featurette on throat defense specifically), and I've got a list of ideas for other videos as well that will explore more specifics and have more demonstrations. I've added your idea to my list. I agree, it's definitely a concern, and something medievals would have had to deal with.
@ME-hm7zm9 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant Good to hear there's more. You are well spoken; your military background does credit. I look forward to the kettle helm - back when I first started getting into this kind of stuff years ago, kettle helms were my de-facto #1 favorite. Have you considered weapon presentations? I spy a ballock dagger on your shelf, and surely you've arms fitting your harness? Cheers!
@KnyghtErrant9 жыл бұрын
+Michael Eversberg II Thank you. Weapons are on the list too, and some other accessories like the plaque belt and sword suspension etc...
@punchdrunkatheist8 жыл бұрын
Thank you for linking me here. That's an astonishing better field of vision than I had imagined. Very great channel, sir.
@pietertalens12569 жыл бұрын
I really love the look of a visorless bascinet with all the fixings! Thank you for this series on armour!
@craigshukas51919 жыл бұрын
Great videos in general, well researched and informative. I love the inset historical art. Thanks! I look forward to more.
@komakino59068 жыл бұрын
It looks like a bird squinting its eyes.
@blaziiclan88468 жыл бұрын
I can now never unsee that. Thanks.
@4rreste4098 жыл бұрын
this is basically the best way to explain a bascinet
@_yamcha7 жыл бұрын
i am more surprised by how someone don't see that immediately
@gaelpayssan7 жыл бұрын
In France the name for this helmet is "Bassinet à bec de Passereau" (pronounce Basseeney ha beck de passerow). It means Bascinet with Passereau's beak, and guess what is the Passereau ? A bird ;)
@thatchannel1956 жыл бұрын
Opium13 or pig
@roussos879 жыл бұрын
great video!!! the only thing i miss is the field of vision you get from the "mouth". thanks a lot!! cheerz
@ofhistoryandscience60955 жыл бұрын
This is my favorite helmet because it looks so comfortable.
@francescoguidi46422 жыл бұрын
@8:13 That knight's tomb (gisant) is in my home town! It depicts a knight of the Obizzi family, which was exiled from the near Lucca at the beginning of the XIV century.
@sergarlantyrell78476 жыл бұрын
The hinge/pin joint is actually necessary for proper operation of the raising and lowering of the visor. As you can see, the hinges are not parallel, therefore to raise in unison, they need lateral hinges, otherwise the visor would not open smoothly, if at all.
@GuntherRommel7 жыл бұрын
Good video, definitely improved my opinion of the hounskull bascinet. Frankly, I always thought they looked rather silly, but this has definitely increased my understanding of its' value on a battlefield.
@jancello9 жыл бұрын
I was told that one disadvantage of the hound-skull visor when fighting on foot is that if offers a large lever to a blow coming from the side, which creates a massive strain on your neck at the impact. What do you think about it ?
@KnyghtErrant9 жыл бұрын
+jancello It does create a lever arm, but I think that happening in practice would be more a result of bad luck than intentional. There are a lot better targets on an armored man than trying to strike laterally at the end of the snout of houndskull. I'm willing to bet it's massive popularity suggests that the benefits of the design outweighed the disadvantages, of which the torquing of your neck is one. It's another reason to do assymetrical breaths on the visor. You don't want the tip of lance to snag a breath and snap your head to the side.
@jancello9 жыл бұрын
+Knyght Errant Thank you for the answer ! The hypothesis of my friend was that hound-skylls were predominantely cavalry visors, where the main menace is arrows and lances, and that more low-profile visors were used for foot combat. But that bias might come from the fact that he's doing some reenactment fighting, where people are bashing at the armor and such blows to the visor are more likely to happen.
@KnyghtErrant9 жыл бұрын
There's just far too much evidence that houndskull visors were used on foot to relegate it to a cavalry visor. The visor styles seem to be more regional preferences than 'troop type' preference. Klappvisors were more favored in Germanic regions and parts of Northern Italy, but France and England are dominated by houndskulls. Consider that England's preference was to fight on foot anyway, and they were still wearing houndskulls, not shallow visors. Also consider that in most reenactment fighting 'edged weapons' are all really maces in drag because of the safety rules. So most weapons behave like impact weapons, which can skew observation.
@jancello9 жыл бұрын
+Knyght Errant Thanks again for your valuable answers :)
@Perrin-the-Fletcher8 ай бұрын
This man deserves more subscribers for the work he puts in!
@mattbrown55117 жыл бұрын
The evolution of armor pieces is fascinating. Thank you.
@lh36909 жыл бұрын
always look forward to new uploads to your armor video series. very well presented, sir.
@RainbowTurd9 жыл бұрын
+Lee Hissong indeed
@4rreste4098 жыл бұрын
very well indeed sir would you also like a cup o' tea?
@LordLeovuldMeadowgrove9 жыл бұрын
That is my favourite type of helmet as well! Very informative video as always. Thank you ever so kindly for sharing your knowledge with us all.
@Hypnobong8 жыл бұрын
love my bascinet. dubbed the "visored bascinet" by marshal historical, it's so comfy and offers good vision. pretty good deal too.
@alexanderaugustus9 жыл бұрын
One thing you didn't mention is that for a brief period in the 1330s-1350s bascinets had this plate onder the chin as well. You can see it for example on the effigy of Sir Hugh Hastings. It looks ridiculous but apparently it was a thing in that era.
@alexanderaugustus9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the thumbs up about Piotr Feret though. I intend to get a klappvisier bascinet from him.
@kentallard88523 жыл бұрын
its interesting seeing that films will reproduce bascinets right down to having the aventail attachment holes and verveilles but not include it or have the actor wearing a coif under it, they went to the trouble of doing some research but couldn't figure out dressing them right
@ItsJustMilkISwear9 жыл бұрын
i cant unsee the huge, closed mouth grin on the bascinet's face.
@KnyghtErrant9 жыл бұрын
+It's Just Milk I Swear That's just part of its charm :)
@ItsJustMilkISwear9 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant the happy looking helmets are scarier than the serious looking ones now that i think about it. cause if you're on a battlefield killing people with a big grin on your helmets face its a lot more sadistic looking.
@GruntSquad928 жыл бұрын
looks like he is high, high as fuck, especially when ian moved around!
@Tariei8 жыл бұрын
+It's Just Milk I Swear it looks like a content mouse to me
@lughfiregod168 жыл бұрын
+It's Just Milk I Swear Nothing like a slasher smile to make your opponent rethink their current situation.
@dilu36516 жыл бұрын
Thank you for testing the peripheral vision. That’s exactly what I was searching for!
@cupcaketyrantdar2483 Жыл бұрын
Simply bascinating!
@TurTurHamMan9 жыл бұрын
Your videos are so awesome man! I just discovered them today and have been binging on all your videos. I love the demonstrations as well as the historical facts. Keep up the good work!
@gorr32755 жыл бұрын
Great job on the narrative man- you're a gifted lecturer!
@MrLazyeyedhobo9 жыл бұрын
This is a great channel
@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi37236 жыл бұрын
I really do love this helmet, it's just the overall design of it, very fluid, that attracts me to it. Side note do you ever find that clinging sound from the chain that attaches to the visor funny or enjoyabl in any way, I for one find it soothing?
@KnyghtErrant6 жыл бұрын
Thanks! When I'm wearing the helmet, to be honest, I barely notice the sound of the visor pin chain. The experience of wearing armor is not a quiet one, and I find any sound the chain makes to fade into the rest of the background noise.
@divanavitch4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the info. I use one of these for fight buhurt. Cool to know more about what I’m wearing. ❤️
@ughmas9 жыл бұрын
love these videos, very informative. More!
@Powerlifter6663 жыл бұрын
Just purchased a replica thanks for the video and all the explanation 😉
@Xanatos7128 жыл бұрын
How's the vertical vision through that? I'd imagine one would have a hard time seeing where they're stepping or not see a low blow from an opponent.
@KnyghtErrant8 жыл бұрын
+Xanatos712 You get a little more low vision from the Wallace A69 visor because of the 'mouth' as compared to the Churburg #16 visor. You get an awareness of where you're stepping, but it's certainly a concern. Seeing a low blow however is not a matter of seeing the head of your opponent's pollaxe for example, but seeing his upper body and shoulders moving. You would know full well that the weapon is coming in low and have a really good idea exactly where based on the other visual cues even if you didn't see the business end of the weapon unhindered.
@thomasf27367 жыл бұрын
How do you exactly spell out the nasal protection of the early Bascinets? Portache? Portage? Something else? Is it a French term? Would be totally cool whenever you name something unconventional that you add it in the description or blend it in the video.
@KnyghtErrant7 жыл бұрын
Bretache
@mrbloodylordbaronsamedi.99372 жыл бұрын
Last night I watched Wikimedia commons cathegory medieval helmets I was fascinated to find more than a thousand different helmets preserved both in shape and details
@Secret7Lover9 жыл бұрын
Whoa I learn a lot from this video.!
@suddencucumber5994 Жыл бұрын
i didnt quite get why there is no mechanism to lock the visor in the closed state. if a strike would come from below, i imagine, it could throw the visor open and slide right into the wearer's face. for example, if a lance hits the "beak" from below, yanks the visor up and breaks, the splinters could probably be driven into the face of the wearer.
Knyght Errant, great detailed video! One quick question: how likely was it for the visor on the bascinet to either be forced open by an opponent (such as in grappling) or fall open if the man at arms should be knocked down hard? It does not seem to have anything holding it closed except gravity and friction on the hinges. Were there ever any kinds of clips or buckles to hold the visor closed!
@KnyghtErrant8 жыл бұрын
+Phillip 053 There is no evidence for any mechanical device to keep the visor closed. It shouldn't really be falling open from gravity, but it's certainly a technique to attempt to lift your opponents visor to kill them. In many cases the need to be able to quickly lift your own visor to take a breath or shout commands would in my opinion outweigh the benefit of locking it down. It requires a certain amount of fine motor skill and time to fiddle with locking mechanisms, especially with a gauntlet on (and presumable a weapon in hand) that might prevent you from getting it raised when you need to.
@patjenkins30326 жыл бұрын
This video helped me apprecviate the Bascinet a lot more. I'm not a huge fan of the houndskull visor aesthetic but some of the other options are really cool. Great video! Although it looks like I'm a little late on commenting.
@JapanatWar4 жыл бұрын
Beautiful helm and great video!
@genericfakename81978 жыл бұрын
I always assumed that people would fight with the visor up for vision, but I guess it's not actually that bad.
@KnyghtErrant8 жыл бұрын
Visor up or visor completely off are perfectly viable options reflected in the artwork.
@secutorprimus7 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant I'd still rather have the visor down, thank you very much. I rather like my face. :)
@KnyghtErrant7 жыл бұрын
That may be so, but you may actually have more of a chance of keeping it intact if you can see and breathe better, thus giving you more situational awareness to a potential threat, at least that's what a lot of historical images suggest :)
@charlottewalnut31186 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant I’ll keep on my camel or behind a shield if I’m not wearing a faceplate
@Steampunkrat124 жыл бұрын
I love your videos, very informative and entertaining. The Kit and gear seen in them is quite lovely, which brings me to an amusing discovery. I have come across snapshots of two helmets i seen in your content, the Bascinet and the other helmet with a visor, I forget its name. and put em up on ebay, I saw them and kinda rasied an eyebrow, as well they are of course being sold out of India. Just figured I would mention this in case you were unawares.
@KnyghtErrant4 жыл бұрын
Hi thanks. Yes, many eBay sellers from India routinely steal photographs from competent armorers and fraudulently use them to sell knock-offs. Unfortunately, there's not much we can do about it other than make sure people are aware that they are indeed frauds.
@Steampunkrat124 жыл бұрын
@@KnyghtErrant It is unfortunate this happens, I almost fell prey to this concerning a wolf pelt. When I saw the helmet i immediately was skeptical, a helmet like that for 200 bucks?. I am just glad to be able to bring awareness to folk about this.
@TheBlindedLeader9 жыл бұрын
Armet has got to be my favorite helmet, will you do a video about them eventually?
@KnyghtErrant9 жыл бұрын
+The Blind Leader Hopefully, eventually... Behind the houndskull bascinet, the armet is definitely one of favorites. I'd love to have a mid to late 15th century Milanese harness with an armet! If I ever go t hat direction, you can bet I will do videos about it.
@thatchannel1956 жыл бұрын
The Blind Leader armet and Close Helms are my favorite
@RyanRyzzo9 жыл бұрын
Video... pretty long... Definitely not. Excellent video! I hope for more :)
@hansvonhochtann27394 жыл бұрын
Hi Knyght Errant, first off ,great video, it realy was helpful and full of new knowledge that I am interested in. I was able to get a wonderfull houndskull bascinet from a czech smith and need a aventail for it. I´ve searched for a while now ,but haven´t found a fitting one yet. Have you got any advice? Where have you got yours? I hope you can help me. Greetings Hans
@JurassicDavidy9 жыл бұрын
Great video! Interesting information.
@youverymeandudemydudebroan45803 жыл бұрын
I love your channel.
@falsebeliever80794 жыл бұрын
Ian's helm is so gorgeous it made me like bascinets!
@Optimus3675 ай бұрын
Imagine using the beak of the visor and hit your enemies with it, that could been so funny
@erwinschmied11 ай бұрын
In the heat of battle it would be very hard to accurately get a weapon in those tiny holes, and the defender definitely won't let you get something in their face long enough for you to land a precise shot
@HaNsWiDjAjA9 жыл бұрын
Great video as always Ian. BTW is this bascinet of yours of a thicker, heavier construction compared to the open faced one you wore under the Great Helm last time? I would guess so. Thanks
@KnyghtErrant9 жыл бұрын
+John Huang Probably a little bit, but mainly it's significantly bigger. The open-faced bascinet I had in the last video has been returned to its owner so I can't do a direct comparison (and I didn't think to do one when I had it in my possession).
@HaNsWiDjAjA9 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant Hmm, I thought given that it has to serve as a standalone defense without the great helm on top of it would mean that it would have and could afford to be of significantly thicker construction. Anyway thanks I dont imagine that great helm would work well for a combat on foot compared to this bascinet?
@KnyghtErrant9 жыл бұрын
So, this is a problem with modern reproductions, not comparable to originals. If my standalone bascinet had been raised from one piece of steel, it would definitely be a lot thicker at the top than at the sides, so comparing things like thickness in modern reproductions reveals one of the shortcomings of how they are made. The open-faced bascinet I had showed was also mild steel, my houndskull is 0.3% carbon and hardened, so it's not directly comparable. You can certainly get modern reproductions done as a single piece raised helmet, but that's more than I can afford :) I definitely prefer a visored bascinet to a great helm + smaller bascinet for use on foot, but that's my personal preference.
@HaNsWiDjAjA9 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant Thanks, yeah the modern reproduction certainly lacked a lot of the features we find in the original pieces. BTW how much did your houndskull weight, with aventail and everything? I'd guess something in the vicinity of 10 lbs? I didnt imagine that you get to weight the other bascinet and great helm?
@KnyghtErrant9 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure what the new one weighs. But I do have planned a video where I will weigh every individual piece of armor on camera so everyone can see.
@tapioperala30108 жыл бұрын
Damn good videos!
@charlesw59199 жыл бұрын
Even with a visor that has raised eye slits like the hounskull, the visibility isn't as bad as some people may think. Breathing, on the hand, is a real problem. :)
@chronoface85245 жыл бұрын
Definitely My favorite helmet
@matthewmuir88848 жыл бұрын
How common/popular were bascinet visors that weren't the "pig face" visor? Also, just how many different types of visors were there for the bascinet?
@KnyghtErrant8 жыл бұрын
It's kind of geographically dependent. In England, for example, most visored bascinets were of a side-hinging houndskull shape. Most French artwork shows the same. In Germany, where klappvisor style hinges were more common, even then some of them utilize a klappvisor pivot, but are still long and pointy, so they're still houndskull/pig face visors. You see more variation in Italy with houndskulls, klappvisors and some other styles of visors making appearances.
@matthewmuir88848 жыл бұрын
Thanks for replying. By the way, is the visored bascinet that the Warden wears in For Honor historically accurate? I'm asking because I see that visor a lot in reproductions for sale online.
@KnyghtErrant8 жыл бұрын
It looks kind of like the made up visored barbute, - kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZOUlKakisqYmNE
@matthewmuir88848 жыл бұрын
Yeah; in fact I first thought it was a visored barbute and was really disappointed. But the visor is never raised in any of the trailers so it's hard to tell. Another problem is, while the armour is customizable, the only other helmet they've shown so far is a flat-topped great helm. A flat-topped great helm when the soldier uses a longsword and the rest of the Warden's armour is 14th-Century.
@brianfuller76915 жыл бұрын
Great video.
@iviecarp7 жыл бұрын
9:14 wow the helmet you have facing the camera looked like an overlaid image, I honestly thought it was just something you pasted on top of the video - it looked blurry and the angle was weird. Then you touched it... xD freaky, took me by surprise.
@ianalexander69777 жыл бұрын
I'm interested in your comment about left vs right handedness. I know that in the 19th and early 20th century (even in my parent's childhood) schools would try and force right handedness but I've never assumed that was the case all the way back in history. For example in at least some of the medieval gloss's of the Liechtenauer's longsword treatise then there are instructions on the right kind of actions to take if you're right or left handed...
@KnyghtErrant7 жыл бұрын
The discouragement of left-handedness in normal life is anecdotal to the best of my knowledge (springing from things like the connotation of left being evil, as reinforced in the language by things like the Latin word for _left_ being _sinister_), but it serves a very practical purpose in the context of warfare in the way it was being fought at the time. In the context of a judicial combat or a one-on-one deed of arms, fighting either handed is not a problem, and may even have its advantages. Fighting in warfare in a line with other men at arms, or in a cavalry formation, the circumstances will require a more practical synergy between individuals. Then more formally, in things like a regulated joust, obviously the lyst is designed to force left to left passage. There are no exceptions that I've ever seen in both survivals and artwork of an armor set up in reverse, i.e., a more reinforced right side both in field armors and sport armors. It's virtually *always* the left side that is more well defended in the event of asymmetrical armor (from both the standpoint of reinforcements or the piercing of a visor with breaths) and I normally hate using anything approaching an absolute.
@ianalexander69777 жыл бұрын
That's very interesting. I wonder to what extent this only related to military endeavours or class and to what extent it permeated the rest of life. Would a farmer be allowed to be left handed or a scribe? If it was a widespread common suppression I wonder what extent that was the result of these military considerations or other activities in life?
@KnyghtErrant7 жыл бұрын
That's a good question, and I wonder the same thing. I don't know if it was really a widespread cultural thing, or if it was mostly just relegated to a military context where you'd get the same effect of sitting next to a left-handed person at the dinner table bumping arms all the time :) If it went beyond that, was it a spillover from martial culture, or was it already part of the mindset? Interesting stuff...
@MajaElise955 жыл бұрын
As someone who fight left handed in lines, it has both advantages and disadvantages. I do get a fair deal of that struggle where the person next to me has their shield bumb into mine all the time. At the same time, having a leftie in the lines can be real good, but it does demand an extra level of awareness. Still, not as big of a deal as some think
@macvsog674 жыл бұрын
Wonderful, informative video! BTW - about how much does Piotr charge for such a helmet?
@hanssolo29555 жыл бұрын
ware cen i buy thes
@siouxsettewerks9 жыл бұрын
Isnt the Churburg visor field of view even a bit wider? Also, IMHO, an interesting bit would be on the vertical span of the field of view! Maybe shown from the side, with angles materialised by string, or drawing in post prod, to show what is covered as what distance, usefull to show from what distance an attack is perfectly in view and how close it has to be to be partly or totally obscured! (ie the good ol' dagger to the groin at grappling distance)
@KnyghtErrant9 жыл бұрын
+siouxsettewerks Hi, I actually have most of your suggestion already planned as a future video! I hope to address the functional comparison between the two visors in it and experiment with a lot of your suggestions.
@bratpollution13716 жыл бұрын
I always wondered what the inside of the helmet looks like. I'm assuming that it's not just empty like a bowl otherwise it would wobble on your head. Is there some kind of harness system for your head set up? I'm imagining something like the harnesses in the modern Kevlar helmet.
@KnyghtErrant6 жыл бұрын
There is a textile suspension system, not unlike modern ballistic helmets. Here's a video about it - kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6WyZ2eQd71koLc
@bratpollution13716 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant perfect! Thanks
@SchlangeVonEden8 жыл бұрын
Dear Ian, I would like to know, if there is any particular advantage to the Klappvisier, compared to side-pivots. First I thought the one might just have been a more "primitive" precursor to the other, but then remembered you saying that the earliest visors in fact did have side-pivots (around 4:45 in the video). Then again, the Klappvisier was fairly particular to Germany, according to you. Were these then in fact the earliest visors in Germany (and hence introduced later than the "early" one in other places), or could they be seen more as an experiment before reverting back to the older technique?
@KnyghtErrant8 жыл бұрын
+Serpent@Eden You do see klappvisors outside of Germany as well (Northern Italy and even the rare example on effigies in England), but they definitely seem to be more common there. I think more than anything else, Klappvisors evolved out of the Bretache (the nasal that secures in the same spot). The bretache was also popular in Germany. My opinion is that as they started to find the bretache was providing inadequate coverage, and they figured out a way to expand it into a visor while using a similar mechanism to secure to the front center of the skull, and thus the klappvisor was born. I don't own a klapp anymore, but when I did I seem to remember the visor being a bit easier to remove (especially with the helmet still on your head) but that may just be an incidental difference.
@Whathellllll7 жыл бұрын
Hi Ian, do you know if there are known types of historically correct, side pivoted bascinets, for the late 14th century, that are not like the "houndskull"? Like, with the visor less pointy. I love your work by the way, I always find a lot of interesting things! Ps. Another question: Do you know if klappvisors are still in large use, like in the middle of the century, in its late part??
@KnyghtErrant7 жыл бұрын
Late 14th century Italian sources (and some other regions) show side-pivoting visors like this (s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/0a/56/83/0a5683846c88e1dc865ab4fab07ebc15.jpg). Some people modernly call them 'snow-plow' style visors. Klappvisors didn't really show up until around 1360 (with a few possible depictions before that) and they remained in use in some form until close to 1440 depending on the region you're looking at. Remember though that klappvisor refers only to the method of attachment (i.e, a center pivot) not the style of visor. There are houndskull klappvisors for example.
@Whathellllll7 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@somberflight4 жыл бұрын
Name: Ian Beard: Kickass Content: Informative and entertaining You sure you aren't the Ian McCollum of armour?
@PieterBreda9 жыл бұрын
Nice one again
@albinotatertot8 жыл бұрын
10/10 would take the pin out of only one hinge so that I could swing my visor open like a door, and I'd walk around doing it spontaneously and speak in a funny stereotypical early nineteen hundreds English admiral kind of voice.
@albinotatertot7 жыл бұрын
chandesuchan You... You and I are on the same wavelength here. haha
@kameronwillison53787 жыл бұрын
albinotatertot This is probably the best comment I've seen on a video in ages.
@rtji04 жыл бұрын
it like a side-klappvisor
@oskarileikos4 жыл бұрын
21:50 what I've heard is that left handed soldiers were paid double, because they came in handy when taking towers that had staircases curving to the right
@Miki112xD8 жыл бұрын
Will there be any video about armets? It would be very nice if You could cover this type of helmet :)
@nemdenemam97537 жыл бұрын
why didnt they make the eye hole wider? Or made a lot of holes around it? That way you would still have vision but also field of view
@KnyghtErrant7 жыл бұрын
There are some examples where they make holes around the eye slot but they're not very common. They significantly weaken the structure of the metal around the eye slot (which is the same reason you often only have breathing holes on one side of many helmets). Historical eye slots tend to be very narrow because ever millimeter wider you make it is more of a chance for a weapon to enter, and in many cases that's one of the few spots where it's game over immediately should a weapon defeat it, especially on horseback. In close-in fighting we often see the visor discarded or worn up, but on horseback it's often worn down because the face is the primary target for an opposing lance and the head of a war lance is narrow enough to get in that slot.
@nemdenemam97537 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant thats interesting. Never would have thought but it makes a lot of sense that they used it more on horses. I never understood why a few mm-s would count for anything when they already defend their faces in a duel. This clears it up. Does this mean crusader era knights used horses more often than not? Or is it just folklore that most of the time they were wearing their greathelm? Also thanks for answering I didnt think you yourself would answer. Great content btw :)
@urbanmyths958 жыл бұрын
what about the phrygain cap style nasal helm would that have influened it at all?
@nathanielmaxner88848 жыл бұрын
This may seem like an odd question, but how much did your armour cost? I'm interested in getting involved with reenactment.
@KnyghtErrant8 жыл бұрын
I prefer not to discuss the specific price of my armor because it has little relevance to what others will spend on armor. There are so many different grades of armor and within each grade, so many different variables that have a wild effect on the final cost of armor that it's very difficult to give an answer. How accurate you want the shaping to be, how polished it will be, the materials, whether or not it's heat treated, the decoration, the period of armor you're interested in, etc... If you're talking about strict living history grade armor (i.e., armor that is shaped historically, no concessions for modern sport combat) then you can spend anywhere from a couple thousand dollars to tens of thousands of dollars depending on specifics.
@nathanielmaxner88848 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@parkershippen55133 жыл бұрын
Hello everybody and welcome back to not forgotten weapons. I’m Ian Not McCollum and I’m not here at the Morphy auction house
@adaslesniak4 жыл бұрын
You mentioned side vision, but what about vertical range of vision? Does it allow to see spear coming from below or sword coming from above?
@billhsu63493 жыл бұрын
Why would this helmet disappear in later period? The conical shape seems quite reasonable for deflecting incoming bolts.
@Kingdomkey1236782 жыл бұрын
Other equally as effective styles just became more popular due to fashion preferences among plate armored warriors changing Humans have always cared about fashion and being “in style” it seems
@OurCognitiveSurplus7 жыл бұрын
Do the narrow visor slits have a pin-hole camera effect that would help the vision of a short-sighted person in an age before lenses?
@arkthul88728 жыл бұрын
Why is the pigface helmet the most OP, damn it. Why can't the flat-top great helm be the king of helmets? It's the most badass of all helms.
@dukeofburgundy42298 жыл бұрын
+Mephisto - Pfft, get that great helm out of here! THIS is the king of helmets: 4.bp.blogspot.com/-BlBQs4dvts4/TlK0VvCk74I/AAAAAAAABbM/A0gYkpj2unA/s1600/HenryVIII+horned+helmet.jpg
@arkthul88728 жыл бұрын
Damn man. I'm speechless. You win.
@goricexi71188 жыл бұрын
Domnhall of Zena?
@DoktorWeasel9 жыл бұрын
I notice that this helm seems to be worn without any additional arming cap, just the liner in the helm itself. Is this just for expedience for this video or does the liner eliminate the need for a padded cap? Is there a date or regional difference for when a padded cap would be used vs a padded liner?
@KnyghtErrant9 жыл бұрын
+DoktorWeasel Every surviving bascinet that I'm aware of has holes drilled in it for a liner along the edges. I've never found the need for an additional padded cap when wearing a helmet with a sufficiently padded integral liner. You see the ties of textile coifs sticking out of helmets now and then in some manuscript illuminations but usually much earlier and often with much less substantial helmets, but with bascinets it's very hard to tell if something was worn under them because of the fact that you'd never see it from the outside.
@DoktorWeasel9 жыл бұрын
Makes sense. Now that I think of it, I might just be remembering padded caps for mail coifs.
@kretonslovechild79996 жыл бұрын
Great job! The fully developed Hounskull bascinet is my favorite helmet. In addition to the deflective capability of its visor shape, it gives the bascinet the most fearsome appearance of all helmets IMO. I wonder if it was designed with this additional benefit in mind.
@TheOhgodineedaname9 жыл бұрын
I also found this channel thanks to Matt Easton. I got a question for you: Why did you get this type of armor made instead of later types of mid fifteenth century armor? To me the North Western European (England, France and Burgundy) type of armor with a sallet remains the most beautiful armor.
@TheOhgodineedaname9 жыл бұрын
+DushinSC PS, I am not entirely sure about the lance thing. Holding it over the head of the horse at an angle assists in breaking it in joust type sporting events, keeping the angle as small as possible and using it at the right side allows for more force to be transmitted before the lance snaps. There is plenty of pictorial evidence showing a lance being used like that so I reckon the melee argument is the more probable reason. Even on horseback where defending the left side with a sword is harder.
@KnyghtErrant9 жыл бұрын
+DushinSC While I also love the aesthetic of 15th century armor (I'm a sucker for late 15th century Milanese with an armet), when I think of a 'knight' I always envision the Englishman on the fields of Poitiers or Agincourt. I've always been drawn to the history surrounding Edward III and Henry V and it was the kit I wanted to develop. I also belong to a living history club in the Eastern US that focuses on scenarios in the 1380s to early 15th century.
@Sumguy21 Жыл бұрын
25:35 this is great ASMR btw
@mouthforwar176 жыл бұрын
What period would be suitable for a Wenzel style bascinet? My research showed 1390-1400, but I have seen other manuscripts dating from earlier in the 14th century with what looks like the same type of bascinet
@justicesmoore4 жыл бұрын
How does the Bascinet stay on your head? Unlike the Armet, it seems easy to just slide on and off. I'm sure a leather strap could be used, depending on the flexibility of the Aventail, but were any devices used to secure the helm?
@KnyghtErrant4 жыл бұрын
The aventail alone does a pretty decent job of keeping the helmet on your head. Modernly a lot of people fight in bascinets without any sort of retention and it's only during wrestling that I ever see the helmets come off. This is actually shown in some historical fighting treatises. In the late 14th century we do see some artwork that shows a strap emerging from underneath the back of the aventail, securing the helmet down to whatever back defense the person is wearing. This will prevent the above described problem, and is used with success in some modern contexts as well.
@drz0b8 жыл бұрын
+Knyght Errant, can you let me know what manuscript the image at 0:40 is from and/or the country and period? It looks 13th century and I'm interested in the weapon, looks like some sort of early Bill but I can't tell if it's one or two handed.
Why do we never get to see you with the single barred occular visor on?
@KnyghtErrant3 жыл бұрын
I prefer the aesthetics of the other one, but I do wear them both at shows.
@robbyjoseph22794 жыл бұрын
Very good video, I subbed!
@k.w.17752 жыл бұрын
Very nice! How much did this helmet cost you?
@potluck589610 ай бұрын
How do you spell the thing that you were talking about that is connected to the aventail under the chin? The nasal thing
@m.s.796 ай бұрын
bretache
@Timbo_Boy3 жыл бұрын
Just out of curiousity... Do we have evidence of pig faced bascinets beeing used without aventails? (Other than great bascinets)
@KnyghtErrant3 жыл бұрын
The overwhelming majority of bascinets that appear in visual sources without aventails are almost always open-faced bascinets that don't appear to have ever had a visor. The aventail seems to have been a pretty universal component of a visored bascinet.
@Timbo_Boy3 жыл бұрын
@@KnyghtErrant Ah, ok thank you. Recently I saw a modern interpretation of a houndskull which actually looked quite good to me. Good shape of the helmet, nice visor etc. But it was lacking the attachment for the aventail and I actually got curious if the manufacturer simply knew more than I do or if they just missed it.
@KnyghtErrant3 жыл бұрын
@@Timbo_Boy There are some examples of visual sources that show aventails that appear to be attached internally to the helmet's skull so there are no verveilles sticking out of the helmet, but a totally omitted aventail would be very atypical for a fully visored bascinet.
@Timbo_Boy3 жыл бұрын
@@KnyghtErrant Ok, thank you a lot! :)
@madcowrebel42168 жыл бұрын
Really, who dislikes this?
@buttered__toast_28997 жыл бұрын
Mad Cow Rebel Saracens
@hazmat49385 жыл бұрын
Heretics
@rtji04 жыл бұрын
nice pfp
@ComradeBucket8 жыл бұрын
Why was the great helm worn over bascinet phased out in favour of a visor? Surely there is more protection on the sides/back/top with the extra helm. It would be much cheaper to produce visors rather than entire separate helmets though, I suppose.
@KnyghtErrant8 жыл бұрын
+Glywysing 3rd quarter 14th century great helms don't glance as well as a later bascinet either. The great helm seems to have been mainly worn for the cavalry charge and discarded or slung over the back when a lot of the fighting got close. During the charge the most likely impact is going to be from the front, so the going theory is that even during the time of the Great Helms popularity, by the time the fighting got to the point where the sides, back and top of the head were more of a concern, you were probably only wearing a bascinet anyway. Not having to deal with a second helm is nice when you have a helmet that can fill both roles in one.
@ComradeBucket8 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant Yeah that makes sense. It must've been incredibly awkward to fight with a great helm slung over your back, and I suppose only the most wealthy of nobles would be immediately willing to just discard the helm on the battlefield. Then again, the visor would have been pretty awkward, too - though perhaps a lot cheaper to replace.
@marianomaimone88707 жыл бұрын
hi, i know the vídeo is old, but i want to know if you have Belén hit with some weapon on that helmet, if so, can you relate the experiencie?
@scelonferdi8 жыл бұрын
I have a question, which somewhat bothers me. Couldn't a glancing blade (or some spiky thing) of an attacker get stuck between the "nose" pease and the highlightet area of the occulus and thus project all it's force onto this exact spot? Don't think that it is this kind of big deal, since it seems to have been very common, but still looks like a small weakness.
@KnyghtErrant8 жыл бұрын
I would think that would be more likely on a totally static object. The person wearing it is going to be in relatively constant motion making that possibility relatively low. A moving helmet is always going to encourage the weapon to glance off the helmet more than a still helmet. At the end of the day, every armor has weaknesses, the trick is to try and minimize letting people exploit them.
@scelonferdi8 жыл бұрын
Well, that's usefull to know. Thank you!
@jameslea37338 жыл бұрын
Hi Knyght Errant, amazing videos! Love your thorough referencing to historical sources. I have a question about one of those examples, the image from 2:30-2:40 that depicts 3 men in open faced bascinets. My question is regarding their leg/foot protection? The king on the left is clearly wearing fully inclosed plate greaves with maille sabatons, but what are the other two wearing??! Coat of Plate hose? Scale hose? It doesn't look like anything else I've seen and it's definitely not how maille is typically drawn? Could it just be artistic license?
@KnyghtErrant8 жыл бұрын
It's hard to say. The one on the right looks very much like a scale leg covering since it's not drawn like the mail anywhere else in the image. The middle one is very strange, but appears to show something with small iron plates, perhaps like the surviving 'panzerhosen' from the Bayerisches Museum (www.pinterest.com/pin/294845106830795725/).
@jameslea37338 жыл бұрын
Well there you go! That is very strange haha. I guess wearing scale on the legs would make more sense too, as an enemy is less likely to be able the stab in an upwards manner to get under the scales. Impressive knowledge as always! Thank you and keep up the good work!!
@jameslea37338 жыл бұрын
Found a few examples of scale sabatons too, but couldn't find any that covered from the knee down. au.pinterest.com/pin/75857574946592600/ au.pinterest.com/pin/370139663104607941/
@richardfry59917 жыл бұрын
Where do I buy this bassinet, like the one you have? Without having to make my own?
@buttered__toast_28996 жыл бұрын
Richard Fry wildarmory makes really good armor if you're still looking
@elforeigner32604 жыл бұрын
With that vision and breathing the user must have been a captain or something, because he definitely needed help to fight too many enemies
@Kingdomkey1236782 жыл бұрын
This was fairly standard for the heavy cavalry force of the time, less captain status than you’d think