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[@krustysurfer]

Aloha Savages!

[@richarddelasota1812]

Years ago, on a visit with a friend who lived in Hawaii, I paddled out at Queens. Nice four-five foot waves. I was really apprehensive, being a Haole and all, so I took my place with a bunch of locals. They were fine. We talked a little bit. I didn’t paddle for several waves I could have, letting the locals have them. Eventually a nice set came through and one of them said, “Go ahead,” and I did. It was just a matter of showing the proper respect and exercising the appropriate discretion. It was a nice day and quite instructive.

[@feelinghealingfrequences7179]

talking about pipeline and back door here way diff

[@richarddelasota1812]

@@feelinghealingfrequences7179 You’re right, of course, but it’s a difference of degree, not of kind. Working your way into the lineup means paying your dues, and the dues at Pipeline are a lot higher than at Waikiki.

[@grahamjarman]

i think you should be respectful to anyone anywhere. surfers who are territorial are barbaric. not cool.

[@blairjohnson6014]

@@grahamjarman There are only so many waves. Gotta be a system.

[@grahamjarman]

@@blairjohnson6014 nothing wrong w a system. im talkin about the surfers w the "u shuldnt be here/this is our break" mentality

[@jzen1455]

I once accidentally paddled out to Pipeline thinking I was paddling out to Gums. It was a funky NE 2-4ft swell and the lineup was shifted farther east than usual. When I realized I was at Pipeline and not Gums, I got a bit anxious and tried not to draw too much attention to myself. I felt an intense energy and a sense of being outside my lane and tried not be an obvious kook. After about 10 mins in the lineup, I paddled east to Gums.

[@John-tg5vn]

That happened to me my first day in Hawaii

[@JustinEpperly]

should've went for it no one owns the waves, those locals are mostly rich kids btw

[@superjusty2336]

“So many waves of emotions out there” Love that line for so many reasons! Can relate in so many ways. But as a metaphor for other aspects of my life. Thanks Koa. Keep ripping on and off the waves/(of emotions!)

[@danvanveghel8566]

This video is why I subscribe to Koa. You've always been behind the scenes of surfing which is unique vs other channels. I feel sometimes you drift away and dont have as much content and just some surf highlights which are also great, but I can see highlights anywhere. Not to say I dont like those as I do. . . Especially your highlights at Teahupo'o and pipe!!! Im sure you do it to balance and target audiences but to me, this one is it. I loved it. PLEASE ADD SOME NEW MERCH!!! ALSO AUTOGRAPH POSTERS LIKE J.O.B!

[@sdsurfers1]

No one has mentioned the Pipeline SIGN!? It has "The Rothman Family" and "The O'Brien" family on it also. Now that PROVES who the locals really are. GREAT video as always Koa and Jack! :)

[@barne3668]

Well said Dan. I couldn't agree more. Koa is getting better and being at ease on camera too. It can't be easy 'talking to the whole world of surfing'

[@jboogie7939]

Bro going through waves of emotions while riding some of the best waves ever? What a roller coaster! Thanks for sharing 👍

[@sparkl3tush]

With all the amazesick content you've put out in the last how many yrs, This is just straight sick, hands down one of my favs... All love from the PNW

[@jonahcunningham8579]

Dude, this might sound weird, but I love these quieter videos where you are just talking with us, you know? explaining things and how you see them. It's nice. I'd love to see more like this. Thanks for your content!

[@marctracy758]

Kind of thinking do these locals show the same respect when visiting other countries 🎂

[@rocketjot3255]

This is the content I'm here for. Nicely done.

[@jeffspicoli2643]

I was house sitting for a few months in Hawaii when I was younger. I always wanted to move there myself.... I wish I had. I miss that energy. Still here watching you live the dream Koa!

[@feanorwerm]

Back in 2002 I was a board caddy for a female friend competing at Pipe. One afternoon she had the last heat and I had to get a wave in as the heat finished. I quickly paddled into the lineup and got the wave of my life uncontested. So glad I didn’t blow it, but I never got anything close to that quality for the next month trying to adhere to the rules of the line up. Nothing has changed since then and I’m glad the locals get the run of the joint cause the NS is a madhouse over winter.

[@nickkuhl3426]

Thanks Koa for your explanation of Pipe and personal thoughts, very interesting!

[@u4d18]

Your description of catching an amazing set wave but feeling the residual frustration of the busy lineup is probably one of the best explanations of modern surfing I've ever heard. That mix of emotions is so hard to control, it's actually what killed surfing for me. Turning up at my local break on the first decent swell of the season after a summer of no waves only to see it rammed with visitors who never pay any respect. Just the thought of it annoys me...

[@joeboonmusic4004]

I get you, man. I'm a really easy going person but nothing annoys me quite like the entitlement and ignorance shown by SOME visitors to my local breaks... It's why finding/surfing at lesser known spots and hitting them on a good day is one of life's great feelings!

[@u4d18]

@@joeboonmusic4004 In a way that's true, but my free time is less these days as I get older and I tended to look for quality over quantity. These days lesser known spots are lesser known because they're generally not as a good as the main breaks. Surfing in a quiet spot is good, but there's always the lingering thought of how much better it would be at the main break... For instance if a traveller comes to our area then it means they have plenty of time on their hands, they can go somewhere quiet, take their time to explore. Instead they just roll up at the main break, jump out of their van and paddle out straight into the line-up with the expectation of getting loads of waves. They've crowded an already busy line-up, they could go somewhere else and get 100's more waves and they have loads of time to find something. Most locals are working, have families or school, our time window is limited and we want to maximise our enjoyment on our own waves. We're living in an age of effortless, selfish and entitled gratification.

[@joeboonmusic4004]

@@u4d18 Unfortunately I agree, especially with your last statement... The entitlement is palpable in many cases. That's why I love the days over here when it's dangerous and really pumping and you see everyone stay at home back in London with their tails between their legs hahaha... But yeah, totally get you. We have a bunch of naughty little spots down in N Devon, Cornwall and Ireland that are far quieter but still great (one of my favourite waves in the UK and Ireland is only really known to locals) so we find things... Guessing you're in the US somewhere?

[@alfonindatube]

And it's just getting worse and worse. I am just so glad I live where it's kind of unpredictable, cold, and kind of dangerous in the right day. Some built in crowd control. But still.

[@squarecracker]

@@alfonindatube yeah in Florida there are so few good breaks that you can surf there for years and not even meet all the locals. Every jetty has 1500 guys that all consider themselves part of the crew.

[@ronnyron6939]

Here's kind of a lineup card for Pipe for those of you asking. Yes of course I am forgetting someone somewhere. Yes the lower I go the order is messy. Feel free to add! Approx. Local Pecking order(Active Surfers): Top 3 dogs: Michael Ho Jamie O'Brien John John Florence 2nd tier(Kind of in order by not exactly): Kalani Chapman Makua Rothman Kelly Slater Mason Ho Nathan Florence Koa Rothman Ivan Florence Eli Olson Josh & Seth Moniz Mikey Redd Billy Kemper Mikey Bruneau Mark Healey Zeke Lau Kala Grace Barron Mamiya Lucas Godfrey Finn McGill 3rd Tier(Locals and foreigners that spend winter at Pipe. Of course when CT surfers are there they get some waves but I won't list them all. No real order besides the first few: Koa Smith Jordy Smith Reef McIntosh Balaram Stack Eli Hanneman Makana Pang Sheldon Paishon Anthony Walsh Ela Stewart And 100 more guys after that... Women: Moana Wong CoCo Ho

[@nickortcoski6769]

Faaark me... Kinda intimidating list of who's who there mate. When you put in the unknown chargers then a houlie just doesn't get a look at anything Move along little boy. Looks more stacked than Snapper to me.

[@chompers11]

thanks for this pretty cool

[@Jeremy_0587]

Lol can’t forget Makua and Kala Alexander

[@wcc1212]

yup, probably about right. Long wait for any visitor.

[@ronnyron6939]

@@Jeremy_0587 Oh shoot. I actually had Makua towards the top of the 2nd tier but I was cutting and moving guys around I forgot to re-add. I thought about Kala but he isn't really out there on a regular basis. Still has pull in the lineup when he is out there however.

[@downpatmusic]

Sounds fun. I used to be an addicted windsurfer in the 80's and part of the 90's but we had a lot more room to share than you surfers. Snowboarding in deep powder in the beginning of the sport was a close 2nd but nothing compare to windsurfing in Baja, the Gorge, or Maui on a big wind day. I imagine surfing would be better honestly but I didn't live close enough to the good waves. Respect. A great piano teachers said that surfers live in the moment and are passionate and love what they do like us musicians. After listening to you, yea, you get it. Have a great Winter!

[@aurorahoya1691]

Koa, loved hearing your POV on the lineup. You explained it really well.. Thanks!

[@lasgoamnesia7934]

I wonder what the local discussion is like about what the future holds for pipeline if the crowds keep growing to an unsuitable level. Eventually i would assume that the location just won't be able to function properly without some changes to how the crowds are handled.

[@Chris-mx4jb]

thanks for showing the board. i had no idea kainoa would be on it but he's always been given legendary status.. tom the lifeguard must be a legend too..

[@tomw2687]

Great analysis of the pecking order at Pipe Koa. Makes perfect sense brother!!! You guys live there and deserve all the respect!!! Pipe is a magical place and beautiful as well. ❤ 🏄‍♂️ 👍

[@monicamercer5419]

Koa, this was a great vid. Showing differences of the beaches between winter and summer.

[@chuckscustomautodetailing8141]

Thank you, Koa Celsius drink has got me flowing, and a much better less jittery way!

[@robertpina99]

Just talking to the camera. It felt like being there. More like this. Let Eli know we miss him. I respect him taking time off. It's time to come back.

[@bbwvelvet]

Thanks for explaining. I wondered after watching Malibu, what percentage is about being local and what is about being a really capable surfer? Also, how long did it take you guys to get to the point where you have priority in the line up, since you all grew up there I just wondered and I bet it felt great to get there after all the work you guys put in surfing. Thanks Koa and Jack!

[@rolfstudio9639]

Good video. I’ve never heard someone break it down like that. Must feel really carefree once you’re at a less crowded spot and you can just charge.

[@alikajohnson9250]

Best description I've heard so far.

[@aquag2889]

You know koa and his boys definitely have priority

[@wessmithp5560]

Cool insight and total respect. Now back to seeking out my remote 2-3’ ers to charge;). Keep it poppin’

[@eriks1503]

What happens if you're up in rotation amongst your friends but the Jamie is going on the wave? Who gets priority then?

[@ronnyron6939]

Jamie bulldogs and takes the wave. He's #2 in the lineup second only to Michael Ho.

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[@teauesera9236]

Great video and nicely edited

[@SasoCasablanca63]

I loved this video and the explanations. I would say these are great for us that have never been to Hawaii nor know what professional surfers really experience and ho it works. Thank you!!!

[@teflonsean7677]

Or grab a 9' soft top log and do some crowd control.😜(as Jamie calls it)

[@wcc1212]

lol...

[@deannad3566]

Appreciate the info. As a non surfer, I always wondered how it worked

[@speedjaycer]

One More! I will have to try the reds and the greens here soon!

[@effyou7107]

Homeboy just did a promo for those BPN supplements and said he has sustainable energy drinking those. Right after the promo he’s drinking an energy drink! Hahaha

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"rock star energy drink helps me get through tiresome promos and keep focused..." 😂

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He LOVES that caffeine,

[@TheAWallace1212]

Please share more how the lineup works. I’m still little confused.

[@SFsurf]

Every wave is fair game

[@davidhernandez9985]

Hola🤙🏼, Koa you & J.J., Florence are supposed to be de-best beast wave riders nowadays but now you are pulling slightly, ahead of him it is a jury factor with him now.

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[@fonzieskatesurf]

What is that strong green, Moringa powder? That stuff is so good and healthy. I too love all the talking videos in between surf hearing the surroundings of the beach life. Now *This Is Livin'* 🤙🌈

[@whitecloud2688]

Before I even start this video I'm sure it's incredible, I must say that's the stance I've messaged you about so insane how you drive straight down that front foot bra so commented awesome surfing Koa super mad respect 🙏, ps I rode pipe a few mud 70s then north to kauai respect 🙏

[@arvdosal]

I just came here to see the comments. I don't think that only happens in Hawaii. All classic waves around the world might have a similar system. Locals first and the leftovers for the rest of the people. Surfing a classic wave in its best days is nearly impossible. Locals are very anxious a do not let anything go unridden. I used to go to less known places, where from time to time you can get good waves and being alone rather than being with the crowds. I really can't stand crowds, and even less when surfing.

[@rhidiandavies1991]

Not even classic waves. There are no-where shit-hole spots near me where there'll be a peak that only a small group of people regularly surf and people get protective, which I can understand, but you only have to surf there a few times to realise that as long as you don't take the piss people are generally fine. Paddle out, say hello, take your time, give up at least 3 or 4 good ones before you seriously scratch for anything, and most people will be chill.

[@robertwallace5498]

Ive seen JOB take 6 waves back to back, do people get mad at him for doing that? One of the reasons i dont surf is because there are so few waves and so many people trying to ride them

[@killingsmokes9527]

just sparked up my strong greens

[@travj25]

You should do a q&a about the pipe lineup

[@soar2779]

Uncle Mike is #1 no doubt and if Carrisa is out I'm sure she takes top spot because lady's first. Just my opinion on Carrisa but I'm sure any of the gang would let her go or even better paddle her into anything she wants. But no doubt Uncle Mike gets what ever he wants and I'm sure life guard Mikey B is top 5 from what I saw this winter.

[@jerrymcdonell]

Can you explain how the Malibu lineup works?

[@C.Hawkshaw]

Does it work?

[@mendellang8379]

It doesn’t

[@kavansurf]

i just keep driving to county line

[@mendellang8379]

@@kavansurf not sure what changed but county been non stop close outs recently. Might be better on west swells.

[@bloblablah7409]

the lineup rules on malibu is go for any wave you want even if someone else is on it

[@AX1A]

@KoaRothman Assuming you charge barrels at your home break (CA) but never surfed pipe out of respect for local crews (even tho I've surfed all around pipe when not too crowded).. how and/or when would you try to get a classic pipe wave in winter? Again -- assuming we understand territories etc - how would you recommend approaching it?

[@AX1A]

PS: Pure Aloha every time I've ever surfed the North Shore .. made me feel guilty actually since I guess we're more agro in Nor Cal (which is not something I approve of, just how it seems to be)

[@pattymather9273]

That was a better explanation of pipe line ups

[@alvatrous]

def a dream of mine to surf there on a crummy smaller day when i'm not takin any locals waves just to feel what it's like.

[@joefinley62]

Awesome explanation

[@Yyyyy00]

You’re roking itttt!!!!

[@roylott4351]

Anybody know why Eli quit posting on his vlog. Always found his posts very well done

[@matthewlivingston7417]

thanks for making stuff!

[@AAA-fb3bm]

Excellent insights and humanity

[@austintoque5023]

Yo Koa! You ever going to post some work out vids again?

[@gustavorolim6870]

thanks for sharing this pipe line up,

[@ttamdizzle]

Love this stuff !!!!

[@ginofilippi7961]

Thanks for the info!

[@SkipperSurfReview]

Great episode! It’s one of my favorite channels! Does J.O.B..has own lineup?😅

[@nblcj]

i'm gonna keep it real, if i'm in the lineup i'm gonna respect the basic rules of the lineup and whatnot, but nobody is about to bully me off a wave i'm in position for lol. i don't care who it is. i'm gonna get waves and if somebody has a problem we can duke it out or whatever i'm with all that.

[@alvatrous]

@koa 2:48 she might just be looking at the reef. i do that florida on glassy days just to chill and be out on the water. obviously a noob still but that may be all she wanted to do for the day.

[@nicholashh]

Sick video!

[@stephenbaptie6565]

Tell me your a boss without telling me you’re a boss.

[@shanetimothy2744]

Now I'm ready to join the line up at pipe.

[@LEGENDofBEANY]

This is cool and interesting. What gives someone priority?

[@adryanyork3581]

More vids like this bruz...

[@MrJoshuagarland]

Thanks for that

[@aitutaki50]

Every surfer 🏄‍♂️ the world over 🌎, I think, at some early stage in their surfing journey must occasionally dream of surfing Pipeline & other spots on the North Shore...Pipeline, in particular, is a spot which will always be a spot where the lineup pecking order is regulated & delegated by the locals...Koa explains perfectly how things are perceived by those at the very top of Pipeline's pecking order...he's only focused on where he's at in the rotation among his group of friends...once he's sure it's his turn, he goes hard, & from that moment onward anyone & anything in his way is just an obstacle to go around, or over...with so many people in the water, & with the powerful energy of the ocean, it creates a lot of adrenaline, as Koa also describes very well...to my mind, not just anyone should paddle out @ Pipeline when it's pumping...I lived in Hawai'i for many years, on the Big Island (which just so happened to be the first Hawaiian Island 🏝 I visited on my first vacation there)...when I first visited O'ahu, there was a very large NW swell running, & I very quickly realized that I wasn't skilled enough to handle it at Pipe or the other spots which were firing on the North Shore...so, I ended up surfing at a spot over on the West Side all week, which still had lots of great surf...later on, when I moved to the Big Island, I really just wanted to become competent at surfing big & powerful Hawaiian waves...I think I became a much better surfer over the years, & I scored many great days along the way...of course, there were those very few times when some angry local would, totally out of nowhere, just yell & scream at me, just for being "f'ng haole"...I never liked it, but to me it just wasn't worth fighting over being called a name...also, by that time, I was married to a Native Hawaiian woman...she came from a very well-known family of surfers & entertainers on O'ahu, descended from Ali'i...she used to always come with me to the beach while I was out surfing...I choose to fight my own battles, & my wife was very strong, with a very short temper--so, I never mentioned it to her if anyone ever hassled me in the water...however, one time after I paddled in from a spot down in Puna where this one wannabe tough guy had said something not so nice to me--I asked my wife, "What would you do if you ever saw someone giving me a hard time while I was out surfing?" Without hesitation, she replied, "I'd take one big rock & smash da foka ova da head with it." I really had to smile & chuckle at that, & I knew she meant it. Bottom line--just respect people in & out of the water...&, if you don't, there may be a price to pay.

[@jdenmark1287]

It’s like anything else, let the people that earned their spot have their spot. If you’re new to an area, say hi to the people there. Be human, be kind, and don’t mistake kindness for weakness.

[@garyrobinson4847]

Koa jack thank you 😃🤙 can’t wait to just be there and experience Hawaii for real ( as a spectator) making mistakes right from the off at pipe… don’t want to be that guy!

[@Mannyroots7]

This is the kind of content that I love education on surfing and why people should stop being koooks surfing places they aren’t ready for . Respect keep the stories coming!

[@bondisteve3617]

Thanks Koa. Don't go to Hawaii to surf. Look and don't touch. And be careful in Indo to.

[@TruthIsNot4Sale]

Going deep a pipe is daredevil shit airs are technical and fun not so much a daredevil thing but to be honest I love airs too but sick deep barrels at pipe are what legends are made of 😉🤙

[@wcc1212]

I'm curious why none of you guys name the dudes that are the top OG's out there, top of the pecking order.

[@SurfMarcel652]

So there are two groups of surfers at Pipeline. The locals and the foreigners. The locals have their own organised line up. Do the foreigners have their own line up too or is that one not organised at all?

[@justink7269]

Dude anyone can paddle out there now. It's like santa cruz.

[@mohamedcheqrouni5538]

Why is Andy Irons on the death section of Pipeline? Is he not supposed to be dead in his Dallas Room ? Koa thanks for your videos !

[@cosmiccharlie8006]

He's not on the death section, as he didn't pass while surfing pipe. Look again....

[@kavansurf]

I will just sit on shore and drink my kava and enjoy the show

[@SurfLife4me]

Cool dude…I’ll never even paddle out. Can I still come chill and grab some memories?

[@evolusd]

So you're saying I'm not going to get any waves at pipe 🤣🤙

[@KulchaShokMuzik]

probably our favorite episode of yours #NathanFlorence did something like this too

[@schneids3861]

loved it

[@hollyridgesmoke7057]

Makes sense to me

[@joenaples5472]

very cool vid

[@darrynkushman1]

So your a Local , Much respect

[@nicholashh]

Bought same BPN products about a year ago. Comments how stoked I was to get. Got crickets. Won't buy again. Customers appreciation is important.

[@Bb-yomomfugazzi]

So sick

[@stevefrink4842]

I'm so sad this video wasn't commenting footage

[@holyshizzleitsconnor]

Let's go surf the 3-4's at the Marine Corps Base lmao

[@Kahweekah2o2f]

What’s the intro song cuz?

[@bobsmith8124]

They should call it privilege instead of priority

[@andrewshantz9136]

Boycotting the stairs

[@mathdavies9546]

Intense

[@official_slp_]

Organized chaos

[@SuiGenerisAbbie]

The pecking order at ANY break in Hawai'i is: Locals, and Natives first, then ... everyone else, yeah?

[@SuiGenerisAbbie]

And, not only does this RULE exist, but, if tourists and other Foreigners make the mistake (however UNintended, and really aren't they all Unintended?) of taking the "wrong" wave, then ... Local Toughs will make them pay the price. Kala Alexander is (allegedly) still a real ASS-wipe about giving people really dirty lickings, even those people who do not know "Da Rules" and some people really do NOT. And, I can only hope that Eddie Rothman has mellowed from the mayhem he used to cause, as well. Damn, Eddie was fearsome! Chas Smith will tell you. Koa, I don't how you lived with your old man, at times.

[@tyler6147]

See my post on this thread. I think about it as though you were going to someone else's house. You're not just going to walk in with your shoes on and kick your feet up on the coffee table, but that's how a lot of people act when it comes to surfing. Its been my experience that if you don't bring it you won't get it. Obviously there are a lot of exceptions but at least in Hawaii showing some Aloha on and off the water goes a long way.

[@SuiGenerisAbbie]

@@tyler6147 I like how you articulated your response. I get your point. I get the bit about giving respect to have it all come back to you, of course. That is just one of the karmic laws. But, here is where you and I might part company: Many people really do not intend to crash into other people, especially locals and those big, tough mokes who seem to only like to beef. It's not always easy to know just how you will fall! I've been there, trust. And there is also this: People do not go out to cause trouble, either, you know? They really do think they can surf something and a wave, like we allllll do, from time to time. However, we always have to learn that Mother Nature and The Ocean have other ideas and intentions. The Rothmans really are North Shore kingpins and THEY RULE the breaks there, unfortunately. I mean, Koa seems to be nice enough and I can't picture him beefing with the same ferocity as his old man and that damn Makuakai do, but, still ... I think that family and surely other people (John-John and his brothers) really do get their pick of the waves OVER AND ABOVE almost everyone else and especially over tourists and non-Locals.

[@tyler6147]

@@SuiGenerisAbbie I understand where you are coming from by all means. Nothing I said should be considered as true 'no matter what'. Far from it. For me I was fortunate to get to know most of these guys off the water way before I tried to go out. It's definitely a different route than most people. Most people don't get to move to the North Shore like I did so in that regard it's a bit different. I still remember John John and the others when they were 8 or 9 years old so this was quite some time ago. That said I hear about some places where if you park your car at 'somebody else's break' they will key your car or just be a dick. I know it's out there but my experience in Hawaii was that I never really had any big problems from any of the local people at all.

[@SuiGenerisAbbie]

@@tyler6147 I too have never had issues with Hawaii locals or natives. I am glad of that! But then, again I have never been seen to be a threat to the surfers, either, and I have no affiliation with them, either, so ...

[@DCJiuJitsuGeelong]

Kainoa McGee must have some sway at pipe ?

[@joedirt8625]

Every legit Break around the World has Locals and Rules of Respect. Except MALIBU.

[@markbuenaventura9939]

forward to 7 mins; that's when he gets into the meat and potatoes of the video.