On Cloudeclipse

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kofuzi

kofuzi

Күн бұрын

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@TheYondaime008
@TheYondaime008 Жыл бұрын
ON biggest challenge is reasonable pricing.
@karlbadde7435
@karlbadde7435 Жыл бұрын
It’s not a challenge, that is their market positioning It’s exactly where they want to be
@HaiLeQuang
@HaiLeQuang Жыл бұрын
Their shoes are great. But they are not competing with Decathlon. So reasonable price & dura bility are not from On shoes
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
I agree with @karlbadde7435 Sometimes you price to attract. Other times a brand can price to deter
@iGo0gIe
@iGo0gIe Жыл бұрын
Yeah better options for $180
@barryjohnlcs9829
@barryjohnlcs9829 Жыл бұрын
You're right. I can find other better options at this price. Unless I'm obsessed with this shoes.
@Mikee013
@Mikee013 Жыл бұрын
Had this shoe for about a month now and the word that comes to my mind is smooth. The ride is very very smooth. It's also On's softest shoe to date. The initial step in doesn't feel much different than the monster but on the run you can feel way more cushion in that forefoot area in the eclipse. It also seems to get softer and softer after every run (weight: 160 lbs). I've been enjoying it a lot. Great review as always from one Mike to the other.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the one month update!
@davidbraswell1481
@davidbraswell1481 Жыл бұрын
would you say it is as soft as the cloudsurfer?? I loved the surfer and was hoping they would make it in a max cushion version.
@Mikee013
@Mikee013 Жыл бұрын
@@davidbraswell1481 it's not as unstable and flexible due to the shank plate but it is as soft I would say.
@davidbraswell1481
@davidbraswell1481 Жыл бұрын
TYVM @@Mikee013
@SherryOram72
@SherryOram72 Жыл бұрын
I bought a pair yesterday and gave them a 10 km test run that evening. Everything you said in this video is what I was thinking while running in them. I was so pleasantly surprised. I did go half a size down to 6.5. I think I could if went to a 6 but I did have a good run in them. Other than that I’m really looking forward to putting them in my rotation. Cheers 🤗🇨🇦
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the update!
@aslliesablan5848
@aslliesablan5848 Жыл бұрын
Hi are this shoes true to size?
@plantbased7486
@plantbased7486 Жыл бұрын
Love the slo motion clips in such great quality. I can really see what happens to the clouds on foot strike and follow through. my foot strike is pretty much identical to yours so i found this very helpful. Im thinking that i will just get the Superblast though. I know you try and stay as objective as possible but your love for the Superblast is palpable and I respect your opinion. I will getting a pair soon…….. maybe Black Friday sale? One can only hope.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
Hope you enjoy!
@Gabriel-nq3pd
@Gabriel-nq3pd Жыл бұрын
I loved the cloud surfer but hated the squeaking that occurred not even a month after having them. What do you recommend that is a similar feel?
@heyitscarloc
@heyitscarloc Жыл бұрын
I was surprised how much I enjoyed the firm yet max cushion midsole coupled with the rocker. It's max cushion but this feels like a do-it-all shoe with a bias towards the long run.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
that a good summary
@Maochan81
@Maochan81 Жыл бұрын
I'm not so sure about them after the 1st run. Bought them to rotate with the Mach 5's which i absolutely love. The upper on this is super comfy and I had a great lockdown. Even though they're not super light, they didn't feel heavy or clunky like the Mach X. They definitely push you a bit forward, don't feel like a slow run shoe. What i'm torn about is the feel of the midsole. It has a lot of stack, but i feel the pods just collapse and it doesn't feel plush. Also the speed board on the bottom is just weird. It should have been deeper under the foam. You can feel every little rock if you step on it. I'll probably return them and get some cheap Clifton 9's for the easy miles. The standard price here in Europe is 190 but got them on black friday sale for 150. Still on the expensive side, i don't think it's worth it. I think On is getting closer to a proper running shoe, but the might need to create a 2 layer system with a softer foam layer on top and could pods on the bottom.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
Have you tried the cloud surfer? Pretty sure that would address each and every one of your issues
@tjhinallfreed
@tjhinallfreed 6 ай бұрын
Make sense 👍
@joelmead
@joelmead Жыл бұрын
Exciting to see ON being competitive in the running shoe game. Unfortunately I think they will always be beaten by better value options like puma
@rbaude27
@rbaude27 Жыл бұрын
I don't think they're really trying to be a "best bang for the buck" brand though. They just want to be the "premium" option.
@kalvin.
@kalvin. Жыл бұрын
@@rbaude27the problem is that they’re not really even that “premium” in that the performance, material quality, nor durability are above their peers. More of a market position or marketing focus, which I guess does work with their “Swiss engineering” tagline they’ve promoted.
@bobcog0001
@bobcog0001 Жыл бұрын
ON running shoes are kinda equivalent to Luxury super cars like the bentley continental GT, they are very fast but are priced way higher than cars just as fast but are made of more premium materials.
@Roccorocco892
@Roccorocco892 2 ай бұрын
So puma will be like Toyota reliable and durable
@wmgonzalbo
@wmgonzalbo Жыл бұрын
Please do Cloudeclipse vs Cloudmonster comparison. More power to your channel Kofuzi! 👍
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
Probably won’t do that comparo. Basically, they’re both max cushion shoes. One has the old clouds. The other has the new ones.
@Silverspooncook
@Silverspooncook 7 күн бұрын
I tried both. Cloudeclipse ALL the way. Great support and great for LSD. Cloudmonster is more like an everyday shoe for walking, the toe box is also too narrow and easy to break.
@mosytube
@mosytube 10 ай бұрын
Thanks. How do the 3 max cushion shoes mentioned here compare to the Gel Nimbus 25 or 26?
@Khristofu
@Khristofu Жыл бұрын
Love your videos Kofuzi. Not sure how many miles/kms you put on these but was there any "squeek" in these? I had the surfers and after about 50km they started squeeking. Actually returned these 3 times for a new pair an eventually switched to the monsters which ive had no problems with(maybe because the foam holes collapse less). Luckily i work opposite the ON flagship store in London so easy to do. Customer service is very good.
@xzzdm
@xzzdm 9 ай бұрын
My cloudsurfer squeeks like crazy after a few months too. Hope the cloudeclipse solved this problem and still maintain similar level of softness in the sole.
@onikari8
@onikari8 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review ! I wonder about the durability of this shoe. My Nimbus (paid 140€) already have 1000 km on them and are still in good condition.
@maxgreenlawncarellc3678
@maxgreenlawncarellc3678 11 ай бұрын
I decided to get the ONs shoes. I usually wear the ultra boosts for 5 plus year and Pegasus. So far I love them! I purchased the surfer and it’s so good. I now own the surfer, monster, and eclipse. Out of all 3, I like the surfer but, I just purchased the eclipse today and probably need more time on it. The monster is little more stiffer than the other 2. Glad to try different brand for now
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 11 ай бұрын
Glad to hear your enjoying your shoes!
@Anatoly_Tsvetkov
@Anatoly_Tsvetkov Жыл бұрын
Omg, I was waiting for your review to decide about purchasing them 🤣
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
Hope I was helpful!
@OlieSimpson
@OlieSimpson Жыл бұрын
I'm looking for some advice on building out a proper shoe rotation, and this seems to be the place to be! Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated! Easy / Recovery / Zone 2 Runs - 5:00-6:00 min per KM pace - 1 to 2 hour runs Currently have the ASICS Gel Nimbus 25 which seem okay for this purpose but would like recommendations for a soft/max cushion shoe to cover the easy, plodding along miles. Must have a very durable outsole as I do roughly 200km per month for this type of run so don't want to be replacing it all the time. Tempo / Interval / Threshold / Hill Repeats - Non-plated Currently use the Puma Nitro Velocity 2 for this but will need to be replaced soon as they have over 700km's on them. Looking for a light, responsive, good energy return, non-plated shoe for the faster runs, again with a durable outsole if possible. Tempo / Interval / Threshold / Hill Repeats - Plated As above but with a plate to help get closer to simulating race-day pace - not an all-out race shoe so there's still a bit of time to gain (probably through a placebo effect) on race-day. Long-run - 25km+ inc. Half Marathon (4:00 min per KM) / Marathon Efforts (4:45 min per KM) Something comfortable for the longer distance training runs that inc. HM/M race-day efforts. Again, a durable outsole would be nice here due to the distance the shoe will be covering. Potentially plated to provide some additional support and energy but not an all-out race shoe 5km / 10km / HM Race Currently using the Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 2 and love it for these distances. Any other recommendations? Marathon / 50km Ultra Race Really like the sound of the Adidas Adizero Adios Pro 3 for this category, but any other recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!
@nicholas5396
@nicholas5396 11 ай бұрын
My biggest concern is the longevity of the foam to keeps its reaction or return. Seeing the cutouts leaving almost like thin pillars of foam in between. Itll be interesting to see how they feel afte 200 miles or so. Intersting shoe though.
@Yuttho
@Yuttho Жыл бұрын
I really wanted to like this shoe. I loved the feel, the lockdown and tongue are very nice. But my ankle bones kept rubbing against the side and the pain gradually gets worse on long runs. I loved the shoe but just the ankle rubbing was a big turn off and returned it.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
What did you get instead?
@Yuttho
@Yuttho Жыл бұрын
@@kofuzi o nothing yet. Saving money lol. Though I would like to try the prime x 2 again. I got it when it first came out and did 40 miles in them but they just never had that magic that the first version had so I sold it. But maybe I got a defective one??? So that’s why I would like to revisit it again. It’s much more stable than the first version and a beautiful shoe but I thought that maybe because it used two layers of plates than energy rods made it too firm and not “poppy” like the first.
@tomc0240
@tomc0240 Жыл бұрын
I have two pairs of Cloudsurfer 7 and they both have broken down to the point that they squeak horribly, especially my orange pair. I am planning to get a pair of the Cloudeclipse but if they squeak like the Cloudsurfers do I will be depressed
@xzzdm
@xzzdm 9 ай бұрын
Exact same concerns here. I hate the squeaking sound on my Cloudsurfers.
@TalZKazaz
@TalZKazaz 7 ай бұрын
Great channel! I’m wondering if this shoe can be good for everyday walking do it all shoe? Or they better for specifically running. Thanks
@singhmandip4396
@singhmandip4396 6 ай бұрын
Hi can you wear cloud eclipse for just walking alone l won’t be running or jogging just walking got epilepsy extremely high blood pressure So be just walking trying to keep fit
@247Performance
@247Performance 7 ай бұрын
Great all your reviews. What are the cons and pros to compare with the nova blast 4. Is it the eclipse more stable, faster, forward rolling. More 5-15 k shoe and also suitable for heel striker? And eclipse against the mach 6? Thanks mate
@CatherineSui-Miller
@CatherineSui-Miller Жыл бұрын
I just received the Asics Superblast but haven't tried it on yet. I currently use the ON Go for easy runs but find it isn't cushy enough. I would like to add the ON Eclipse to my weekday practice/ training run.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
hope you enjoy!
@CatherineSui-Miller
@CatherineSui-Miller Жыл бұрын
Turned out the Asics Superblast isn't for me. Too clunky and firm for my taste. The ON Cloud Eclipse is fantastic. The most stable high stack shoes which resembles the NIKE Vaporfly Next%3 without carbon for under $200. Total thumbs up!@@kofuzi
@CannabisTechLife
@CannabisTechLife Жыл бұрын
Seems On has a limitation with their cloud tech on where to put the speed board. Great review as always!
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
I’d rather they just got rid of it altogether unless it’s carbon in a race shoe
@elliotendures
@elliotendures Жыл бұрын
This is one of my most anticipated reviews of the last few months. I JUST got the new 1080 and have been wondering if I should have waited for these. Could you share some differences/preferences? Also, if you don't mind touching on it, how's the outsole as rainy season approaches? That's something I don't love about the Superblast and this shoe looks like it may do well.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
there is significant pace overlap between the two, but they approach it very differently the 1080 is more nimble and eager to pick up the pace. it's snappy. the cloud eclipse is much more stable and better at recovery paces. it's cushioned.
@elliotendures
@elliotendures Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the response,@@kofuzi!
@emilioviteri1956
@emilioviteri1956 7 ай бұрын
Hey guys, just wondering if you would recommend the cloudeclipse for all day walking/standing… I have to work long shifts on the hospital, so looking for something comfortable that gives enough support throughout the day
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 7 ай бұрын
it does tip you forward a bit (as running shoes tend to do versus casual shoes), so that could be bothersome to some, but I'd find it enjoyable
@Tennyang.Tib.Ind.Nep-De
@Tennyang.Tib.Ind.Nep-De Жыл бұрын
Been wanting to buy these as these are closest to the On Cloud Monsters. But need to know if they are waterproof
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
no
@luckyjasvideos
@luckyjasvideos 4 ай бұрын
You said you would not recommend them for marathon but do you recommend them to slow runner who will take 5 hours to finish the marathon Or it is worth to buy carbon plate shoes for 5 hour marathon ?
@dominikschrott7412
@dominikschrott7412 Жыл бұрын
Missing those minimalist raceflats from the ol' days if I see this. Where did the ground contact feel go to?
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
New Balance SC Pacer Saucony Sinister Adidas Adios 8 Asics Hyperspeed Asics Magicspeed 3 Topo Cyclone 2 Altra Escalante Racer
@thecaptainchas2820
@thecaptainchas2820 Жыл бұрын
With how you are using and comparing the CloudEclipse to other premium bois, I’m surprised you didn’t mention the Tracksmith Eliot. Seems like they would have a similar use and also be dope high-end on-the-town shoes.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
sometimes I don't mention a potential competitor because it's a KZbin video and I only want to list one or two options. other times, I don't mention a potential competitor because it's not comparable. the Tracksmith Eliot Runner is not comparable at all.
@chrisshent
@chrisshent 5 ай бұрын
How does the exposed speedboard handle stones? Is it weird to land on them and do you even slip maybe?
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 5 ай бұрын
They call it a speedboard but it’s more similar to torsion systems in Ultraboost. It hasn’t been an issue for me
@chrisshent
@chrisshent 5 ай бұрын
@@kofuzi this helps to know - thanks for your swift response!
@donjr.m
@donjr.m Ай бұрын
Hey kofuzi, would you recommend this shoe on rotation with superblast 2?
@t1g3r8
@t1g3r8 Жыл бұрын
How does it stack up against ASICS gel nimbus 25?
@jmvale
@jmvale 10 ай бұрын
Can I use this for weightlifting?
@emanuelchee1691
@emanuelchee1691 Жыл бұрын
can't wait for the 100 miles update, I wanna grab one for myself, but afraid the performance/excitement will drop after 100 miles.
@colinmcc8564
@colinmcc8564 Жыл бұрын
I think if someone really only had to use 2 pairs of shoe, or could only take 2 travelling and this is one of theirs.. I would always pair a max cushion shoe with a more minimal and firmer shoe, builds character and makes you appreciate the cushioning when you use it. Probably good for injury prevention too, but I'm just a stranger on the internet.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
I’m good on character. Life has given me plenty of character. Give me the cushy shoes
@colinmcc8564
@colinmcc8564 Жыл бұрын
@@kofuzi to steel man the argument for cushy shoes, if building an aerobic base is key and if cushioned shoes help people run longer, then by all means. Great video as always
@nicolas31141
@nicolas31141 10 ай бұрын
Hello, this one feels like a nova blast 3 or 4? I like a plush / fast feel for any distance but, right now I'm in between the eclipse, the nova or the superblast? And this is true to size? Thanks.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 10 ай бұрын
I would probably not choose the cloud eclipse, based on what you described
@MrMars121
@MrMars121 Жыл бұрын
Hey how are they for walking and wearing them to the office sometimes?
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
I haven't worked in an office in 3 years
@babibakar
@babibakar Жыл бұрын
Sorry, just a silly question. If we use illegal shoes to race on wmm, do we still get cleared as finisher?
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
Yes
@babibakar
@babibakar Жыл бұрын
@@kofuzi thanks kofuzi!
@connergatchalian5251
@connergatchalian5251 Жыл бұрын
Sad to say this but after running 30km in them so far (in rain) the shoes are already starting to squeak. The foam is getting softer at the point making the pods collapsing on itself easier causing the foam to rub against each other. The protective layer that is in the pods probably got washed off by the rain (so maybe adding some oil/powder will reduce the squeak?). Really disappointed they didn't resolve the biggest issue the Cloudsurfer had. The shoe feels lighter than it actually is and for me fit true to size. The foam sits in between the softness of the Cloudsurfer and firmness of the Boston 12. I'm 80kg/176lbs so lighter runners will most likely experience this issue much later than I did. I really like the shoes overall, but I would've liked it a little bit more if the tongue had just a tiny bit more padding.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
don't all shoes squeak in the rain?
@connergatchalian5251
@connergatchalian5251 Жыл бұрын
@@kofuziYes, but not all of them keep squeaking (really loud) afterwards when dried. This shoe has the same issue as the cloudsurfer.
@snowwalker9999
@snowwalker9999 Жыл бұрын
@@connergatchalian5251 All On Cloud shoes squeak for a while maybe even a day or two after using them extensively in wet conditions. I have had five different models. Not a big deal to me. Durability however is one of my major concerns with all On Cloud shoes.
@JuanMorales-fi3jl
@JuanMorales-fi3jl 6 ай бұрын
So can you use it for everyday easy runs? I just got the shoe but I was wondering if you can use it as a daily shoe because of the cushion but it also has a plate too so I don’t really know because it could cause injury’s.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 6 ай бұрын
yes. it doesn't have a plate. that thing on the bottom is more of a torsional stability element. not dissimilar from the torsion bars we saw on the early ultraboosts
@JuanMorales-fi3jl
@JuanMorales-fi3jl 6 ай бұрын
What is the best daily trainer that keeps your legs fresh and obsorbs impact from the roads? Do you have a video on this?so I can check out.
@matipopczyk
@matipopczyk Жыл бұрын
Hi I’m in a dilemma between forerunner 255 and 265 what do you recommend, maybe you prefer other model or brand.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
both are great watches, but there are significant price differences. I strongly prefer the screen on the 265, but whether it's worth it depends on your price sensitivity I don't personally sense any noticeable difference in the watch's performance
@matipopczyk
@matipopczyk Жыл бұрын
@@kofuzi okay, thanks what do you think about polar pacer pro . And maybe there is other good brand
@Lovecltodrop
@Lovecltodrop Жыл бұрын
I got this a week ago and I tried it for barely 30KM by far, sadly to say the midsole is much more firmer than it seems. The midsole is just too hard for me to put on miles in it.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
thanks for the update!
@z10joey89
@z10joey89 Жыл бұрын
my BMI is around 24-25, is eclipse a better choice than surfer for pace around 600-630/km?
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
I'm afraid I am unfamiliar with how to recommend shoes by bmi
@cocopoco2006
@cocopoco2006 Жыл бұрын
I love Oncloud, my bloudrunner is too cute!
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
glad to hear you're enjoying them!
@rembo183
@rembo183 7 ай бұрын
Compared to the Bondi 8?
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 7 ай бұрын
Very different experiences. Someone who loves Bondi and wants another Bondi-like experience will likely not like the Cloudeclipse
@lindacronise5613
@lindacronise5613 Жыл бұрын
Which shoe has the more aggressive rocker, Cloudeclipse or Superblast?
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
Cloud eclipse
@MadLadsAnonymous
@MadLadsAnonymous 11 ай бұрын
If you want a less aggressive rocker, check out the Vomero 17.
@Javier-cg9xl
@Javier-cg9xl Жыл бұрын
I’m a jogger that incorporates about 12-15 minute sprints on a turf soccer field into my my 5-5.5 miles run. I like to keep sprints in my regimen to stay in shape for soccer. I run on pavement. I really like the idea of cushioning to help with impact. In your opinion could the eclipse be fine for my type of run? If not, any other recommendations? I use a new balance V860 now.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
Assuming you like the 860, id consider another stability shoe. The Cloudeclipse is not a stability shoe. Consider perhaps the Puma Forever Run
@flocav6962
@flocav6962 Жыл бұрын
I guess it’s going to stand head to head with the ghost max. Is that shoe in for review?
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
I've reached out to brooks for a sample. while I don't know much about the ghost max, I'm not anticipating it to be comparable to the CloudEclipse. but we'll see soon enough
@brainkale
@brainkale Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately too expensive compared to what's out there, including last seasons standouts which are now on steep discounts
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
how do you perceive the $180 of the On Cloudeclipse vs the $180 of the Invincible 3 and the $180 of the SC Trainer 2? personally, I'm starting to wonder whether I'm just conditioned to think that On are expensive, no matter how they price them
@brainkale
@brainkale Жыл бұрын
@@kofuzi Invincible is also overpriced imo relative to what's out there, especially in terms of what its intended use cases are, but I also find Nike's non-racing offerings are way off the mark compared to the other brands. SC Trainer one could argue the plate and foam setup, plus the improved weight savings from the previous iteration, somewhat helps sustain its price point. With the Cloud Eclipse, what makes it worth charging $20-30 (and more if we're including last season's shoes now on discount) than the Triumph, Nimbus, Magnify Nitro, etc.? I'll give it to On for being able to tap into an audience segment that is willing to pay for slightly overpriced shoes, but it still doesn't look great when you're an informed consumer
@Batucadax
@Batucadax Жыл бұрын
Does it squeak on each step like cloud surfer?
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
I don't think I noticed my cloud surfers squeaking, so I can't answer that
@Batucadax
@Batucadax Жыл бұрын
@@kofuzi thougt it's a common issue for this shoe. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qaOqoX2jhc2CsJIsi=lBsVj0_BpTTeQh4C
@bryanttorres297
@bryanttorres297 Жыл бұрын
thankyou for the info..
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
thanks for watching!
@ryannelson8619
@ryannelson8619 Жыл бұрын
Was it true to size sorry didn’t hear that?
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
I went with my usual running shoe size. fits great.
@laalaa99stl
@laalaa99stl Жыл бұрын
You strain credibility a bit when you suggest $300 shoes (PXS and EE) vs a $180 shoe. Otherwise excellent review as always. I've mostly relegated all my max cushion shoes (Invincibles, Bondi, Nimbuses, Triumphs, More V4) to daily walkers since they're all too heavy and clunky. They take all the fun out of running. All that said, the Cloudsurfer 7 is one of my favorite shoes of this year. I love the fast and firm Helion foam though I wonder how much better it could be if On were ever to get serious and use supercritical nitrogen-injected foams. It also has one of the most generous toe boxes of any shoe in my collection. Maybe that's also true of this Cloudeclipse?
@laalaa99stl
@laalaa99stl Жыл бұрын
I also think On's uppers are overbuilt. I'd love the upper of an Adios 8 grafted onto a Cloudsurfer 7.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
I try to make it as clear as possible that some shoes are for pairing in a rotation. And other shoes are compared as alternatives.
@aslliesablan5848
@aslliesablan5848 Жыл бұрын
Hi are this shoe true to size?
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
yes
@user-kr8cg6ld7f
@user-kr8cg6ld7f Жыл бұрын
Hey! Loved the review - my buddy just picked these up and he is my size so I get to try them for free!! Question for you: for a flat HM I found the ankle snappy-ness of the Alphafly 1 to be fun and exciting. On mile 22 of a full marathon with rolling hills I wanted to throw those things off my feet and burn them. Is there something in the middle that can give me the advantage of the Alpha but is a little safer on tired legs? (Similar feel to the endorphin speed 3 maybe?) or do I just need to bullet proof my legs in the gym? Thanks!!
@okimy3668
@okimy3668 Жыл бұрын
+ 1 for the gym, but a lot of people who liked the alphafly 1 like the endorphin elite. I have no experience with that shoe, but it might be worth looking into.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
agree
@cchungy
@cchungy Жыл бұрын
I felt the sizing was a little too roomy, but otherwise a great shoe!
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
I'd prefer to think of it as On finally letting go of speedboard as a philosophical element of their brand identity now if we could just get a shoe without clouds
@wacorbin1
@wacorbin1 Жыл бұрын
ON learning from adi. Speed board is basically a torsion plate.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
I'd prefer to think of it as On realizing that a speedboard does not have to be a philosophical component of an On shoe. like, we can have great On running experiences with out it (Cloudsurfer)
@davrynbotha4795
@davrynbotha4795 Жыл бұрын
Still hard as cloud rocks?🤔
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
Nope
@Letsgofinance
@Letsgofinance Жыл бұрын
I imagine the engineer team from On watching Kofuzi with pen and paper in hand lol
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
to the extent that they might be watching, I hope that nothing I'm saying is a surprise
@danielpassos554
@danielpassos554 Жыл бұрын
Cloudeclipse vs Topo Atmos?
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
atmos feels more like a traditional max cushion shoe for me. it's got some liveliness to it, but I wouldn't want to run much faster than easy effort in them
@tgarcia615
@tgarcia615 Жыл бұрын
3rd From The Philippines🇵🇭
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
I read this as: “Third!” - from the phillipines
@paulhobin1716
@paulhobin1716 Жыл бұрын
Tried them as part of a demo run and I did not like them. Very wide toe box, very roomy. In running I felt flat footed. Pretty much, most people I spoke to who ran in them as part of the demo did not like them. I could not imagine doing a long run in them. The 5k I ran in them was more than enough for me to decide that this shoe was not for me.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
Great time to be a runner. So many options for so many preferences. Flip side of that is that some shoes might not work out. And that’s ok.
@bbnd5476
@bbnd5476 Жыл бұрын
Is helion an EVA+OBC foam? If so, that's not much of a "superfoam"
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
super foam is their term, not mine. I haven't bothered to verify whether there is a supercritical process involved, but I'll follow up when I see On at TRE next week. in the meantime, I think the helion in the cloudsurfer and cloudeclipse feels quite different than the helion in other On shoes, such as a cloudstratus or cloudmonster. I really wish they would have called it something different
@bbnd5476
@bbnd5476 Жыл бұрын
​@kofuzi would be great to have a follow up. We rely on reviewers to filter the marketing materials for us, not amplify them. If ON is using EVA, then we shouldn't call it a superfoam. Supercritical processing or OBC additives help, but it wont close the gap on energy return nor longevity relative to TPE/PEBA. I certainly wouldn't want to spend 190€ on a superfoam shoe only to find out it's dead after 250km because it's actually just EVA.
@Flight-of-Life
@Flight-of-Life Жыл бұрын
Wonder who will come out on top? The On Cloud eclipse, or Adidas Switch FWD or Sketchers GoRun Swirltech? Who makes the best holey shoe? 😅
@GotDamBoi
@GotDamBoi Жыл бұрын
I already know that notch is going to be a fucking rock magnet
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
I think people over-estimate rocks getting stuck in shoes. But least we’re finally past the point where everyone complains about how difficult it might be to get dog 💩 out of the clouds
@CookingEngineer
@CookingEngineer Жыл бұрын
"pushing it into the max" .... that sounds familiar -> KSWISS TUBES!!!! :-D
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
is that how they advertised KSwiss Tubes? I'm not familiar with them
@brianlin4044
@brianlin4044 Жыл бұрын
I'd be more interested in these if they came in wide sizes
@Chungdol
@Chungdol Жыл бұрын
Seems to me a shoe similiar to the Saucony Endorphine Speed ... I'm waiting for the speed 4 and then I compare. Oooooor, you compare them Mr. Kofuzi :P
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
I find it very different than the endorphin speed
@davidbraswell1481
@davidbraswell1481 Жыл бұрын
I don't know why they put the speed board in this, that was the absolute reason I bought the Cloudsurfer !!
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
I have always detested the speedboard. I don’t mind this. It’s not really a speedboard
@davidbraswell1481
@davidbraswell1481 Жыл бұрын
I was hoping for a cloudsurfer in a max cushion I guess this is close enough! @@kofuzi
@thadrunsfaster
@thadrunsfaster Жыл бұрын
Again. Like all cloud shoes. They want you to pay a significant upcharge for holes in your shoes.... I'm just not sure I'm convinced on both a longevity level and a price level.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
many On shoes are overpriced but I'm not sure this one is. what do you think about the pricing of the invincible 3 and sc trainer 2? also $180.
@hugov1091
@hugov1091 Жыл бұрын
Is this new shoe gonna have the same squeaking noise like the latest On Cloudsurfer ? very boring...
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
Are you saying it would be boring without squeaking? I’m not sure I understand
@hugov1091
@hugov1091 Жыл бұрын
Sorry I'm French, After 320 Km and a wet track session, with my CloudSurfer bought this year, me and a lot of people online complaning about a very loud plastic sound from the holes in the sole at every step on a run.@@kofuzi
@HoreanAir
@HoreanAir Жыл бұрын
that intro beat was more intense than it had to be. i was about to bring peace to gaza and shit
@SirThomas1212
@SirThomas1212 Жыл бұрын
For the price I think Nova 3 or 4 would be better comparable than superblast.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
This is either $40 more expensive than the shoes you suggested or $20 cheaper than the ones I suggested Either way, it’s an interesting comparo. But I stand by my opinion for reasons where price is a low consideration
@charlietwotimes
@charlietwotimes Ай бұрын
When they squeak, and they will.. talcum powder. Talcum powder is your friend.
@jeremycahill
@jeremycahill Жыл бұрын
The BAA police are going to start patrolling for 50mm shoes after this video 😆
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
I'm going to sole swap my adios pro 3 and prime x strung, just to troll
@yohankusuma5510
@yohankusuma5510 Жыл бұрын
180 is a bit too expensive imo, i'll wait for it to be at 160 or something lol
@itsahardmuttlife9263
@itsahardmuttlife9263 Жыл бұрын
I returned mine. They just felt lifeless and dull to me. You sink into the foam with no return.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
I’d love to hear what you choose instead. It would be helpful for me in making recommendations
@itsahardmuttlife9263
@itsahardmuttlife9263 Жыл бұрын
I love the Topo Atmos instead. I would even pick the Ghost Max over this.
@MrPaulHK
@MrPaulHK Жыл бұрын
I still can't unlove my Novablast 3.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
Unlike a springer episode, you can love em both, in this situation
@dawncyclist
@dawncyclist Жыл бұрын
Tried it. Stiff AF
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
sorry to hear it didn't work out for you. can you give me an example of a similar type of shoe you've enjoyed? it will be helpful reference for me when I make recommendations in the future
@dawncyclist
@dawncyclist Жыл бұрын
Hands down Superblast. Also tried SC Trainer V2 which is much better. @@kofuzi
@soowie4599
@soowie4599 10 ай бұрын
Hoka Arahi 7 are perfect
@rawkriot1461
@rawkriot1461 Жыл бұрын
Eva foam but price so expensive
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
it's glib to say, 'meh EVA' and move on, as I think there's more to it than that. you might be missing out. although I suppose at the end of the day, if $180 is too much for you, I guess it don't matter what's in the shoe or how much you might like it
@wildforthecats661
@wildforthecats661 Жыл бұрын
These shoes seem much better, but not enough to pull the trigger.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
Maybe the next one
@tav4755
@tav4755 Жыл бұрын
Lol adidas called. They want their torsion system back.
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
I don't think they'd be mad. they switched from torsion bar to LEP like half a decade ago
@muscfiorentina
@muscfiorentina Жыл бұрын
Friends don’t let friends run in on clouds
@kofuzi
@kofuzi Жыл бұрын
there was a time I would have agreed with you, but the phrase is now aging like "boost is life" (although I still really like boost and miss it)
@muscfiorentina
@muscfiorentina Жыл бұрын
@@kofuzi I don’t know in my opinion the only on cloud I like is the monster
@kjam87gxp
@kjam87gxp 9 ай бұрын
Anything Swedish is expensive
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 9 ай бұрын
Like ikea
@kevinespinosa150
@kevinespinosa150 5 ай бұрын
WOULD THIS MAKE ME TALLER? LMAO
@kofuzi
@kofuzi 5 ай бұрын
Yes. All shoes make you taller tho
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