GAME CHANGER! The MESA BOOGIE 4x12" KILLER is here!

[@KohleAudioKult]

Who's gonna get a Marshall MF cab now? Or what's your MESA killer?

[@CrushingAxes]

Sorry Kohle, I just got the Bogren Digital Rainbows and Chainsaws. I have no use for cabs anymore! 😂🤣👌

[@Hillbilly_Papist]

I have an old Yamaha 412. Oversized, all birch, baffling in it, and its more like two 212s with how it's divided internally.

[@GregSobek]

MF cabs price bump in 3... 2.... 1....

[@michalsteinz7948]

Coffee Audio custom built cabinets, I have Latte in studio and preffer it over Mesa even it is 2x12.

[@Jeydeegr]

I'm lucky enough to own both already. The MF will get you the closest you can get to the OS at half the price. And that's a fact. Grab one while you can.

[@brianbowersox8392]

It's kind of crazy how much of a difference there is. Both sound amazing.

[@stevenhirsekorn3444]

Theres something about the low end in the Marshall i hear the bass guitar more prominently when the full band kicked in and i like that

[@veganskillz]

Definitely. Shines in the mix

[@leonidaspapanikolaou3165]

Fantastic comparrison. I will definitely buy the Marshall for my 6505.

[@jaxonbatts9270]

this vid just reassured my love for the mesa 4x12

[@judasxchrist]

I remember the times when I was in the market for a new 4*12 with V30. I knew a lot different cabs from different backlines playing live and needed one for my own. Long story short: I spent hours in a big store comparing and finally bought the Mesa OS after playing it for 5 minutes. Everything else (Marshall, Engl, Orange..) just felt off back then, harsh etc. I couldnt believe the vast difference and asked several times: "Really, same speakers here?!" Salesman: "Yes". Years later I discovered, he was wrong.. The Mesa just delivered this combination of a smooth top end and right aggression in the higher mids, you mentioned. We are all biased to love this well known sound. I played one cab back then, which killed it for me at a gig: Mesa Halfback 4*12 w EVM12l at the bottom. Incredible. Keep up the good work, Kohle. Greetings!

[@chiefindisguise]

What i love about Kohle vids is that he teaches you how to listen, he is the best at this. I don't produce metal nowadays (although i still listen to the genre) and still i take away sooo much by his vids, it applies to everything. P.S. I'm starting to dig a lot the "woody/vintage" unusual tones for metal, it's refreshing that's why i loved that marshall tone (the first example). The interesting thing is the tone is going to dictate what genre and how the riffs are going to go, so it would be a challenge if a guitarist/composer uses the tone as a source of inspiration (and limitation), that's how creative/innovative things are made.

[@KohleAudioKult]

Very interesting thought! Thank you.

[@DonnieDistortion]

Kerry King has been using Mode Four cabs since the early 2000's I believe.

[@KohleAudioKult]

yes, he has!

[@Spedly]

Not sure if he still does because I havent looked up his current rig, but Dave Navarro used Mode Four cabs as well.

[@CrushingAxes]

Nice ! Cold beer already in hands! Now let's watch !

[@MartinvonBargen]

And now that I've watched it properly, you did a great job matching the tones and I think they'd be excellent L/R in a mix with chuggy, downtuned guitars.

[@crunchwrapsupremium1053]

I was thinking that too

[@NoelFernandes]

if both are uk v30's i think the differences comes from the a different speaker breakup and subtle diferences in the cabinet construction. Maybe the mesa v30's has slighly different specs also..don't know, just saying

[@KohleAudioKult]

It's the exact same V30 moved from cab to cab.

[@michaelkinsey570]

I have both cabs and the Mesa kills it..just saying..rock on🤘

[@witnessthewrath8061]

Nice video and great attention to detail

[@belligerentamateur]

Good luck to anybody actually looking for mode four cabs to begin with. I currently have three of them and snatch them up whenever I can find them at reasonable prices, but it seems that availability has been scarce for the last couple of years now, or people are pricing them right at the same price as used Mesa cabs here in the us. I do love the mode for caps but at the price I'd much rather have the Mesa build quality.

[@Nakopeth]

Just snagged an mf400 today and looking at another. I LOVE these things. I sold one years ago and hated myself for it

[@ChrisMpegnis]

Great video as always kristian !! 🤘🏼 greetings !!

[@nathanshobe]

And suddenly the MF cabinets rose in price on reverb... :-P

[@bayouboattrash]

Over priced MDF that won't hold up though. I guess for home use it would be ok. Touring might be a problem. I know Kerry King used them, but I'd imagine that was rented backline and also marshall provided products.

[@nathanshobe]

@@bayouboattrash well, and any big name touring with one would have a flight case built for it. Also fwiw, a huge majority of the guitar market is home use. Most players rarely play out.

[@Touch2Much]

​​@@bayouboattrashyou have not informed yourself properly on the MF cabs. Full multiply birch, no MDF or particle board.

[@81jmfk]

I picked up a MF400 2 weeks ago. Someone already changed out 2 speakers for g12-75s. I took all the speakers out and put in 2 70th anniversary Celestions and 2 Fane/Avatar M65. Sounds killer. Build construction doesn’t match the Mesa but it’s half the price.

[@TMac-Attack]

Awesome demo comparison!! Thanks!!

[@rubievale]

I actually prefer the Marshall in the mix. It's a darker, punchier and to my ears better suited to what I like. Both are excellent. I remember borrowing a Boogie 1x12 thiele cab for a small gig and it blew me away with the size of the sound. I had to keep checking it was really as small and bijou as it was.

[@willchug]

Had my Mode four cab for 15 years. Kill’s 🤘

[@Patrick-rf7vx]

what's your opinion on ENGL Cabs? They are usually pretty cheap on the used market in germany because they are so many of them. Never saw you using any.

[@thySerge]

I have 2 Mesa OS cabs with original V30s and I have an early 2000s ENGL OS cab with their V30s and I choose the ENGL every time! Yes I’d love to see a video comparing the old OS ENGL cab with the old OS Mega cab.

[@VortechBand]

Used the 2x12" Vintage cab (Celestion V30) for years since 2004. It's a great and durable cab. Edit: Oh and I have installed 12 cm castor wheels under it, which does affect the sound vs. stock. Kind of like lifting the cab on a chair, it reduces the low bass hump in tone. Makes it a bit tighter sounding.

[@KohleAudioKult]

I never liked the normal Engl V30 cabs, but I can't tell if that was because of the cab, the speakers or the fact that they're front loaded. I did like their XXL cab though. But that was 15 years ago. Maybe I need an update.

[@firmans12]

@@KohleAudioKult yeah pls engl xxl cab or diezel cabs. I use an ir with diezel cabs it instantly get me to metallica tone, like scooped mids. I wonder how it sounds with real amps and micing cabs

[@JunkfoodZombieGuns]

@@KohleAudioKult Any reason you prefer a rear loaded cab over a front loaded one?

[@usdill590]

Great videos I like the behind the scene aspect of recording I could watch videos all day

[@SQstudios_]

I have the oversize MF400 G12k-100 slant. One of the best sounding cabs ive ever played. Pair it up with another v30 cab in stereo and It absolutely slays! This cab also sounds similar to the diezel 4x12.

[@monsterk7603]

Fantastic video, brotha!!

[@andresilvasophisma]

Cool, now we can all sound the same using different gear. Not a jab at you, love your videos.

[@hemipirate]

I have the MF350 half stack. I LOVE IT!! Playing down in the shallow end ( drop A and B standard) is so gratifying.

[@shekador]

13:30 are you sure it's chip board? My Mode Four has a lot of overspray that can give the appearance of MDF, but it is definitely birch-ply, you can see the wood grains in some parts.

[@KohleAudioKult]

I can’t open the cab right now, but I’m very sure it’s some sort of „glued particles“ and no multiplex.

[@adamsteelproducer]

Got mine! Got an MF400, and I’ve had a 280 as well. I’ve ended up putting Celestion Alnico Golds in the 400 and it’s an amazing compliment to the OS Mesa

[@ithebastardking2800]

What’s the difference between the 280 vs 400?

[@DanFatal_]

@@ithebastardking2800 the speakers used - the 280 uses marshall voiced v30s , the 400 uses k100's.

[@KohleAudioKult]

Hey man! Great to have you here. I still haven't gone the Alnico route for metal yet. Just have Alnico magnet speakers in 10" from Jensen. That's a whole new chapter! Any recommendations?

[@ruthlesscutthroat4030]

@@KohleAudioKult alnico is dark. I have 1 12" gold and its not fizzy at all.

[@crackedspyglass]

keep in mind angled vs. straight impacts the sound as well.

[@KohleAudioKult]

Not for the way that I mic.

[@Callum-Morrison]

I've been rocking a Mode 4 cab for 12 years now! I've had people ask me to buy it after a gig many times.

[@reggierauschnot8442]

great review i currently use 2 mesa 4x12 and am looking for anither cab ,im on the hunt for the marshall now

[@patrickcorran238]

The old Randall Warhead cabs was oversized The 4x12 and the 2x15 cabs was brutal

[@metaldani]

What about engl pro xxl? maybe 4 some apple to orange comparison

[@KohleAudioKult]

On the list! the only Engl cab I ever liked

[@firmans12]

@@KohleAudioKult yeah if you like mick thompson speaker. Probably an orange cabs, jim roots favorite will be a good comparison too.

[@Aphrenety]

What‘s about the Engl XXL?

[@KohleAudioKult]

That was the only Engl cab I ever liked. Maybe I should try it again.

[@Aphrenety]

@@KohleAudioKult bring it back to the room of boom 🤘🏻

[@Asgaia]

@@KohleAudioKult You must remove the grill from most engl cabs. At least that's what I had to do often. The grill rattles.

[@CoreyAllgood]

Following this video, I see ONE MF400, for $1500. HA! Great job as always. I absolutely love your content dude!

[@guitars.nmetal]

Mesa sounds more mix ready but Marshall is a bit tighter in the mix on the first comparison. Closer on the second one but Marshall still a tad tighter. Something to do with the chip board back?

[@DarrenWaters75]

Newton's Third law applies here. The more dense the wood the more resonant it is. I would like to see those cabs unloaded weight difference.

[@serge1643]

Good experience, thank you for sharing!

[@serge1643]

The spectrogram screenshots would help visualize the information for comparison.

[@serge1643]

I understood everything from what was said in the video, but the spectra would display the full frequency picture.

[@christianboddum8783]

That Mesa cab is amazing!! King of the hill for sure!

[@gordontubbs]

Given the construction of both cabinets, which matters more: the SIZE of the cabinet or the type of WOOD?

[@KohleAudioKult]

Looks like it's the size!

[@gordontubbs]

@@KohleAudioKult SIZE MATTERS ladies and gentlemen, you heard it here. lololol. You know what your mission is now.... 8x10 or 8x12!!!

[@johanarens9798]

Kristian, thanks great video ! For your stale screws, just drill the head with a metal bit, then with some pliers, you will be able to unscrew it from the cabinet.

[@KohleAudioKult]

Thanks! That's pretty much exactly what I did

[@belligerentamateur]

Hey Kristian! Just curious, are you sure the MF400 you have is MDF wood? I own 2 of the mf400 and 2 mdf280 and all 4 are made of birch ply. Just curious, as this would present some interesting info I wasn't aware of, i.e, Marshall made all MDF mode four cabs at one point

[@vaclavslovak3104]

I am very happy with my MF400A cab. Old school DM sound

[@charlesrocks]

The Mode Four cab was insane back in the 2000s.

[@KohleAudioKult]

I just did a video about it! Have a look!

[@HaydenMcCarry]

Great comparison! I preferred the Marshall Solod but preferred the Mesa a lot more in the mix!

[@garywalker8067]

Great experiment mate, the two together sound ace.

[@goodboid]

Soooo... we're listening to furniture now? jk, thanks for doing this.

[@KohleAudioKult]

Haha! But yeah, we are!

[@joeblow1229]

Also for what it’s worth, the V30 in the Marshall cab is a phenomenal speaker, and unfortunately not made anymore. You used to be able to buy them, WGS would relabel them and sell them because there was a huge surplus of them at one time, we are talking 10+ years ago. I believe the speaker is a V30 with a 55hz cone vs the 75hz cone that comes in all of the other V30 models. This gives them that “darker” V30 tone. A phenomenal speaker and a phenomenal cabinet all around.

[@arilshagen8348]

i just replaced all the caps and tubes in my 2204 jcm800. I recorded 4 songs with it using a mf-400 cab and a tube screamer ish clone that i made. There was used sm57 at cab and some room mic. LTD ex-401 with EMG and drop c tuning. i'm happy with that sound

[@chapperbone]

Good lord in heaven they do sound different but they both sound soooooo killer!!! Cheers man! I love your channel, you kick ass!

[@retodd13]

Besides speakers what effects the tonal personality? Does birch brighten as opposed to maple or anything else? I'm assuming that particle board kills resonance but what wood does what in the construction? I got a 5150 cab for 70 bucks and rehabbed the shit out of it. Changed out the speakers and filled all the holes in the joints. The back of it is particle board and I'm curious if that was on purpose because the rest of the cab is solid wood. Should I put a piece of birch on it? Wood prices rival gold right now experimenting isn't really cost effective 😂

[@KohleAudioKult]

I don’t know. I have to try myself. But yeah, not the right time to go shopping for wood. 🤪

[@retodd13]

@@KohleAudioKult 😂

[@nathanbarth7909]

I really like the mesa 4x12 straight. If dialed in right u can still get great mids from it. Just sounds more meaty to me

[@RobbieTayVaughan]

I couldn't explain what I heard, when you said the Marshall way maybe boxxy and sounded smaller there it was.was glad you chose to go for matching tones by changing up mic position. Fun! Based purely on construction, id stay with my Mesa for hauling around to shows. should be sturdier. Recording at home and in studio that Marshall is legit even if the sound in the room isn't exactly what one would want

[@Krypt666Norway]

4x12s: Fryette FB p50e, Fryette Deliverance v30+wgs+h30, Marshall 1960bx with 71’ greenbacks, Port City wave os with old 80’s T75. Works good enough for me.

[@jeffbarrett7998]

Bro Krank Amp Cabinet are solid Birch wood not cheap ass plywood over sized 29x32x14 with Eminence V12 Legend speakers i have a few

[@MichaelKnouff]

The Mode Four cab I've always thought was a sleeper. I've got to record one several years back for a doom metal album with the Mode Four head. It sounded so good!

[@KohleAudioKult]

Does the MF head sound fuzzy? I can't remember why it was so wrong for the metal community back then.

[@MichaelKnouff]

@@KohleAudioKult it sounds like a Marshall does. The on-board distortion isn't modern enough I think for most. Not that their on-board has been dazzling without a push anyways.. It takes pedals really well. I think it also is contributed to Daron Malakian being endorsed by them at the time. It was considered his amp and it was cool to hate anything related to System of a Down at the time. I'd like to revisit one someday

[@TOTO-nr8vu]

Very good comparison! it would be interesting to put the two signals side by side (Marshall / mesa) and to reverse phase to see exactly what adds the Mesa compared to the Marshall;)

[@KohleAudioKult]

The mic position is not precise enough for a null test.

[@TOTO-nr8vu]

@@KohleAudioKult ok 😕

[@ulrichbergmann1347]

Checked the video again. ^^ I really like the mesa. The Marshall is sounding good too. In the past a bandmate hat the Moude Four amp and the cab. As i remember the sound was more open and great attack and good low end. Here the cab sound really more boxy. The amp was a solide state amp and this amps sound often less "dulled" as a full tube amp. So the cab was fitting extreme well to the amp. In the rehearsals i learned the Moude Four half stack is a great made from Marshall. Amazing gain sounds and, for a Marshall not so familar, amazing clean sounds too. In this context with this tube amp the cab show a different side. Great video u made again with lot talking about details like frequemcies.

[@ATotalDork]

How do these two stack up to the *Harley Benton 4x12s* ? They also have V30s (not sure if they're the right ones), and seem to have better construction from everything I've heard. They're also under $300 brand new

[@KohleAudioKult]

Never tried. The chinese 16Ohm V30 sounds a lot worse though

[@miserypath]

Again such a good video! A comparison done the right way! Somehow I like the slightly darker tone a lot. I think I could be used pretty well to fatten up the sound of the Mesa cab if needed!

[@Vincentpadrutt]

Dieser Kragen macht mich fertig :D

[@MartinvonBargen]

Bonzekeller Studio. Live aus Othmarschen

[@KohleAudioKult]

Dracula anyone?

[@Owlun]

Awesome video! As a Mesa 4x12 OS owner, I have a hard time choosing a cab over it, but the Marshall in this slaps. Also, as a viewer I appreciate all the hard work you put into your videos. Stay Bro0t4L!

[@woodward_alan]

How does those dv77s sound in those cabs?

[@KohleAudioKult]

Great. Check out my Bogren IR pack.

[@woodward_alan]

@@KohleAudioKult already own it

[@andrus108]

Here's my way of getting an oversized cab sound: take a regular Marshall 4x12 model 1960 (which is all plywood, except the back panel is MDF, by the way), get rid of two speakers, cover up the holes with pieces of plywood (you can get the materials at the hardware store), and that way I get an oversized closed back 2x12 cab. Still looks awesome like any 4x12, is lighter to carry, and you can sell the speakers for even more cash! I swear this configuration makes even G12T-75s sound better!

[@crabbubbles1161]

I've been into metal since o......1988 I guess. Marshall still to this day crushes. I used to have an old 'Park' amp made by them and it was a THRASH MACHINE! It wasn't even a 'good' or 'real' amp and it still crushed. I so badly want to get back into music but I have no support in any way. I wish I could. Love your channel man.

[@thesash7063]

Kerry King from Slayer do use Mode Four Cabs too.

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

Slayer have been using Mode Four cabs for ages.

[@jasonbate1756]

Old VHT or Fryette I love the P-50. I own a Mesa oversized V-30 from 2001 and the old VHT wins for me almost every time. The Randall XL was the best Mesa Type cab to come out in the past 20 years.

[@KohleAudioKult]

I have always liked Randall cabs with V30s. I’m not sure about the p50, but it has been a while since I have heard one.

[@jasonbate1756]

@@KohleAudioKult The old school VHT or Fryette Fatbottom Cab with the Eminence P-50's is an awesome sounding cab.

[@muncham]

I REALLY liked the way the Marshall sounded, and I already own the Mesa haha

[@hjl4754]

Awesome video Kristian, love the sound, where can I get a vst plugin of the grindstein from?

[@KohleAudioKult]

Thanks! You’ll have to wait a little. 😜

[@andrewjacobs5579]

Drums & such are really big on wood types for sound, I'm surprised I've never seen cabs treated in that much of the same manner. Like instead of say 1/4" plywood why not a 1/8" sheet of say birch & an 1/8" outer layer of bubinga? Dang, now I wish I still had my woodworking tools.

[@Infernalhermit]

Mayhaps try the Bogner Uberkab or Standard? They just sing in the high end.

[@KohleAudioKult]

Haven't tried the Über. I did enjoy the standard though!

[@Infernalhermit]

@@KohleAudioKult Awesome! The Bogner standard made my 6505 and SD1 sound more....musical and bright in a pleasing sense. I prefer that over the Mesa tbh (even though I love those too).

[@Asgaia]

Great test again! I like that! But I have another test idea: How does the sound of the speaker change depending on the other speakers in a cabinet? I recently build a 4x12" cab with 4 different speaker. And I bet that the V30 for instance sound different compared to a pure 4xV30 cabinet. Why? Two reasons: 1. If your put two speaker of the same type together in serial they behave like an ideal voltage divider. If both have a different impedance curve (e.g. different resonsance frequency) than theres a frequence dependend voltage divider and speaker one works as kind of EQ to speaker two. This should be bigger as different the impedance curves are (->datasheet) and should be less prominent when connecting the speakers parallel. Parallel means they get the same voltage independently. And even power amplification works with voltage adjustment, not power adjustment. So they suck differnt current of the amp, but the amp should deliver it anyway. In a specific range. But: we dont deal with sinus signals. So the interaction is more statistical and may middle it out. Guitars are more like white noise. 2. Second reason is acoustical interaction. Two speakers are not independent from each others in the same cab. Especially closed ones. If one speaker produces a high pressure in the cabinet by moving inside the other speaker gets a pressure from behind and therefore some dampening because it also wants to move inside at the same time. Shortly spoken two speakers form a kind of one big speaker with one big membrane. And that forms a new speaker with different resonance frequencies. Its not just doubled. Some mechanical forces especially the elasticity of the air behind the speaker is different now. I dont remember any details. Its more than 20 years ago we calculated this at the uni. That's the resaon why a 6x10" bass cab sounds differently - mostly much deeper - than a 1x10". 6x10 is not just 6 times a 1x10". So my suggestion would be: - a close 2x12" cabinet - both speakers serially connected - use 2xSpeaker A and listen - than replace the second speaker with a type with a different inpedance curve and listen again Than you can variate this setting. Parallel connection. Open cab. etc. Metallic greetings Thomas

[@KohleAudioKult]

I'll think about that. And it's all true what you're saying. My real world experience with close-miking though tells me that it hardly makes any difference. I once had one speaker wired out of phase, listened to the mics and they sounded good in the studio, just out of phase. When I entered the live room I almost vomited. So close-miking really only sees the speaker. That's my experience

[@hectorluna6584]

Great video as usual Kohle. The MF400 was a very pleasant surprise. I suggest you to check the PRS 4x12 because in the description says that it's loaded with Celestion Modified Vintage 30, so, maybe are the same as the Mesa ones or a completely new breed. Also, the PRS Archon 50W Head looks (And sound) very promising. It comes with some power tubes that I didn't heard of before (JJ 6CA7) that gives the sound a character between 6L6 and EL34. Again, thanks for this videos.

[@KohleAudioKult]

Really? I'll look into that!

[@MisuAlexandru1]

wow, it sounds so good!

[@antoniomatasrosillo8644]

What screen model is it exactly, because on the boogie table page I see that 4x12 there are several models thank you

[@xassymller1691]

Great video, as always.

[@Touch2Much]

These Mode Four cabs are made of multiply birch wood panels. Not MDF/chip/particle board. Open it and look carefully. There is a lot of black spraypaint on the wood but you can see the grain in the wood, also on the back panel. Take out a handle and you will see the multiple layers of wood in the panel.

[@75stephengreen]

I always thought the Mode 4 cab was Marshall's best cab. I sold mine years ago and wish I had hung onto that cab. I did not have room for to many cabs at the time. Now I have plenty of room go figure lol. I often used the MF cab with the Boogie Roadster that cab just made the dark voice of the Boogie come alive. The K100 speakers had something that the V30 did not have from what I remember. As usual great video Kristian.

[@MarkSturman]

I'd like to hear it with straight vs straight cabs. That way it truly would be apple to apples. Love what your doin' bro. Keep doin' it! 🤘🔥🤘

[@ToddjMitchell]

Alone, I love the Marshall a lot more. But in the mix, the Mesa cuts and fits a lot better (in my opinion).

[@ulrichbergmann1347]

Can u pls explain why u placed the microphones on the low speakers on a slant cab? My experiance is when u got a slant cab the lower speakers sound ever there would be a comb filter effect because of the reflections from the higher speakers. When use the high speakers in a slant u get a much more balanced and "correct" sounding result.

[@KohleAudioKult]

That’s not my impression. I guess that’s why, haha!

[@ulrichbergmann1347]

@@KohleAudioKult Did u tried out the top speakers since now?

[@willchug]

Also, Angled cabinet’s sound different to straight cab’s, even if just one of the bottom speaker’s are 🎤. The Mode four A sound’s more aggressive than the B 🤷‍♂️ From the international dimension’s

[@PaddyMacNabh]

What about the Engl oversized 4x12 cab? Have you heard that?

[@laszlobank8318]

from the year of 2005 my constant fav cab is the mf400b

[@samizdat113]

But if I buy the Marshal MF with V30's what does it sound like? Because if it's harsh and brittle I'm not getting the tone I want cheaper.

[@johanarens9798]

Food for thoughts, what would be the difference with a 2x12 vs a 4x12 cabinet ? I'm considering getting a slanted 4x12 cab (don't know yet make and model), though it would take a lot of real estate in my tracking room, which is tiny.

[@wakjob961]

Great work!

[@lifeofalex9199]

The Marshall cab has that classic Marshall “attitude” to it for lack of a better word. Maybe not quite as tight as the Mesa but not necessarily in a bad way. Sounds like the Marshall has more depth to it in my ears.

[@djentlover]

Chipwood is softer, so it absorbs higher frequencies

[@-........]

it definitely has more interesting resonances in the mids/high mids (that honk kristian is talking about) than the mesa. i also love the exteneded high end from the mesa though

[@felinekaiju4517]

I'm surprised!. I wonder if they they'd go well with the dv-77 or the 1265 speakers through a Marshall JCM 2000 TSL.

[@KohleAudioKult]

Yes, they would.

[@nonninator]

Seems as if the other 3 speakers not being the same could be the perceivable difference. The real test should also swap the three Jensens to the mesa cab during the mesa recording, or all V30s in both cabs. If we say the cabinet matters, then surely the other 3 speakers matter.

[@brozio77]

i like marshall most. i like it because is a littlte darker and middy

[@kuzWich]

But how different do they actually sound in the room compared to close mic setup I wonder? 🤔

[@guillermopenagosgallegos4405]

Great vid!!! I have a Mesa OS with the four V30 speakers and I would like to experience into the world of tone design and home studio... do you recommend to change one or two speakers for others than V30’s??? Il thinking omega ampworks speakers... Thanks!!!

[@KohleAudioKult]

Absolutely! Keep the two best sounding V30s and start the journey!

[@abheceshabemuskk3531]

I dont believe the cabinet can do something to the hi-mids/highs response of the speakers in close mic'ing. The chaotic nature of mic placement is the thing i tend to believe in more: milimeters makes huge difference.

[@abheceshabemuskk3531]

yes, but the segeborn vid is close mic aswell. i will make some home tests trying to match the position of 1 or 2 mics several times on the same cab and see if they sound identical. I think i remember it being very difficult to match. about the in the room sound, yes..cabinet, resonances and the directivity pattern and phase 3d things changes everything on the spectrum. I think i have a quite trained ear, mixing, playing for 20years, or maybe not, because once i was a/b'ing a mesa 2x12 vertical slant cabinet vs a harley benton 2x12 and I was unable to detect any difference 3m away, not one, but i had a lag of 5 seconds bacause of the rewiring. and i know mesa have the magical UK celestions, but it was the same for me. or maybe my ears were only honest. i need a test like this one or the segeborn one but with the mics 0.5 to 3 meters away from the speaker, we could have a surprise.

[@abheceshabemuskk3531]

@SoundWavesSurfer yes.. i meant that distance only for a in the room sound and eliminate a little bit of the sensibility of mic placement.. not the usual for a recording. i believe you. but i will check if it is that easy to reproduce the close mic placement.

[@mirekandrassy2928]

What about ENGL XXL V30 in comparison with Mesa ?

[@KohleAudioKult]

Yeah, maybe

[@miked5487]

Did the Marshal MF cab have the G12-K100 speaker in it? Do you happen to the know the model number and year? TXXXX

[@mrparkinson]

Cool video, sir. Just a question: I saw in the Marshall it looked like there were Jensen speakers in the cab along with the Mesa Vintage 30. Did you swap all the speakers, or just the one vintage 30? Im not trying to find holes in your methodology, just curious if the other speakers would effect the tone of the vintage 30? Maybe an experiment for another video! hah!

[@KohleAudioKult]

Thanks! I both cabs there are 4 different speakers. And in all my tests it never made a difference for close miking.

[@mrparkinson]

​@@KohleAudioKult Cool. If it makes no difference thats good to know. I have a 4x12 I just got that I have half a plan to fill with different speakers. Thanks!

[@RandyGaylord]

Hallo Christian, kennst du die Box of Doom? Eine Iso-Box aus Holland. Viele Bands benutzen diese scheinbar als Live-Setup-Box (In Flames, Trivium usw.). Ich frage mich schon lange ob so etwas was taugt. Einsatzgebiet wäre bei mir im HomeStudio. Hast du Erfahrungen mit Iso-Boxen? Ich frage mich, ob man damit auch vergleichbare Sounds raus kriegt, wie mit einer 4x12 die im Raum/Bühne steht und per Mikro abgenommen wird. Klingt das nicht auch so Schukartonmäßig? Die Luft die von der Membran in der Box bewegt wird, hat in der Box ja viel weniger Platz und wird evtl. sogar komprimiert? Gibts es da Auslöschungen von Frequenzen durch Überlagerung der Schallwellen? Oder gibt es da evtl. so etwas wie ein Luftlabyrinth in der Box? Da die Box of Doom doch etwas teurer ist für einen "Versuch", schlawenzel ich da schon seit Jahren drum herum und konnte mich noch nicht zu einem Kauf durchringen. Deshalb fände ich es natürlich wunderbar, wenn du z.B. die Box of Doom testen würdest :-). Ich tu mich nämlich schwer in meinem Homestudio ( 1 Raum) den Verstärker aufzudrehen und dann noch dem Klick von der DAW beim Einspielen zu folgen, außerdem geht das auch auf die Ohren nach 2 Stunden und 150 Takes. Kopfhörer helfen da auch nicht und ich möchte auch den Raum nicht mit einer gedämmten Konstrutkion zustellen, in der die 4x12´er Box steht. Daher interessiert mich dieses ISO-Box-Thema. Wäre eine gute Lösung meinen Amp zu Hause aufdrehen und aufnehmenn zu können, bei hoffentlich moderatem Krach aus der Iso-Box. Vielen Dank für deine informativen Videos und die ganze Gaudi dabei und all die "Geheimnisse" die du preis gibst. Super Kanal !!! See you in Hell M............. :-)

[@KohleAudioKult]

Nie gehört aber guck ich mir an! Ich hatte mal die Randall ISO Box. Die war durchaus brauchbar.

[@joeblow1229]

Damn you for sharing the secret of this cab!

[@KohleAudioKult]

🤪🍺❤️

[@jroz8111]

Killer man. Would love to hear the 100s heard a diezel cab with them I was blown away

[@KohleAudioKult]

You mean the K100s?

[@jroz8111]

@@KohleAudioKult Yes !

[@judasxchrist]

Any Diezel would be great, yes please!