KOI POND FLUKE TEATMENT UPDATE, 3RD PRODUCT TO TRY**COULD IT BE ANOTHER PARASITE TO DEAL WITH?🤔😉

[@K.W.P.R]

Hi mate , poor old Gary ., but to be fair you said you’ve found no flukes so to say it’s not worked is a little unfair , I would bowl Gary and have a look at his gills , it’s seems you had Gill flukes and as the name says they feed and cause damage to the gills and it can take a while for the koi to recover from any damage , but !! Sometimes the gills can become necrosis and may never recover ☹️☹️

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Thanks for that. Yes as you say I didn't find Flukes so did the treatment work? Is there another parasite or are the fish just recovering from the treatment?? Every day is a school day...🤔😉

[@K.W.P.R]

@@KoiPondLifestyle it’s hard to say mate , they have had a battering from the fluke so it may take a while for them to feel better in them selves , and as to Gary he needs to be checked as he is clearly sulking , check in his gills look for signs of damage and necrosis, dead bits of Gill the gills should be a healthy red colour 👍

[@mark5tytshort770]

Sorry for your loss ,I've had a bad year lost fish iv had for 16 years, may they all rest in peace, take care.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Very sad loosing fish. You spend so much time with them and look after them every day that its gutting when you loose them through something that you have little control over...😢

[@just4koi143]

Hi Andy, thank you for mentioning me on your channel much appreciated, I am gutted to see you done second dose and not worked, after my first dose I had 2 or 3 flash which are the usual suspects 🤣but around third day I’ve seen none flash but tbh I’m not 💯 impressed, I am gonna do a early 2nd dose treatment due to temperatures being warmer I was also mentioned from other pond keepers to go ahead with early 2nd dose, I’ll be adding Colombo fish protect, if this don’t work mate I think I’m gonna pp a bowl and treat koi for 3 mins and hit them with fluke solve plus(pond) 👍🏻take care

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Thanks for that. Looking forward to seeing how you go on with yours. Cheers 🤔👍

[@ItsWhatIDo]

I think you have two options.... 1st leave it alone and do a water change. 2nd run a dose of PP to kill off anything you haven't seen. 3rd (I cant count) go old school and dose your pond with salt.. and yes I know many people will be aghast with that solution. But it has worked for years and years to help the build up of slime coat which helps stop parasites from attaching. Just as an aside my fish have always spat food out. They tend to be lazy eaters and can take up to an hour to eat a portion of food. They fill their mouths and then spit half of it out again. Then go back and eat the bits they spat out.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Hiya, Thanks for that. I have an update out on Friday with progress so far, so let me know what you think? My fish have also been lazy eaters that take their time to find the food, but you know your fish so they seem to be taking just that bit longer, but have never spat food out?🤔. Cheers 👍

[@iank8498]

Hi it's very interesting reading all the comments I built my pond in 94 ,all fibreglassed ,no window in them days! 4000 gallons (3300) pond 700 filters including vortex , I built "media chambers" filled with brushes ,spring flow and ,clay / spar which no one will probably remember ,central heating pump's and hi blow 40 definey old school but it worked and I still have 5 of my koi which are "originalalls" with my newer ones so must have done something right only ever used to use sterizen p and put in alot of salt if required never had any major problems, I have changed one of my brush chambers to a k1 150l moving bed just hoping it doesn't cause problems!

[@tomferguson5368]

Hi Andy As you know I had flukes and treated with supaverm which I stupidly over dosed and lost one of my fish and knocked the crap out of the rest could be possible that they are all feed up with the constant different fluke treatments your putting in the pond? I’ve not long finished a 10day salt treatment on the whole pond at 0.60% after the supaverm and all my koi are are eating again and seem to be back to normal 2 days after the salt treatment ended Hope you get it sorted matey

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Cheers and thanks for the feedback.. 😉👍

[@cornwallkoi6743]

Hi, great watch; very interesting. I’ve been keeping koi for around 10 years now but a couple of months ago I had a similar issue found nothing on the scope and had one of my kohaku’s with pretty much the same symptoms as Gary. Scrape after scrape nothing, spoke to a lot of people in the game and together took the decision to add chloramine T. Within a few days all fish returned to normal and I haven’t had a problem since. Maybe Costia who knows as there really wasn’t anything on the scrapes but the signs were there almost exactly the same as yours. I don’t like to add anything without being sure however if all the signs are there sometimes you just have to go with your head. It worked for me and you might want to consider it.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Hiya, Thanks for that feedback. It can be so frustrating when you cant help as you don't have the info to be able to! 🤔🤔.... Cheers..😉👍

[@iainbusbridge9585]

Have you checked Chloramine and chlorine levels in the pond. Water companies are putting alot in at the min. The only other thing I can think of is a PH crash. Hope things improve soon pal.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Cheers. I'm getting a chlorine test kit on Mon. PH is bang on. All water is going trickle in through a declorinator. 🤞🤞🤔

[@simonjones8611]

@@KoiPondLifestyle Hi great videos, as mentioned I would keep any eye on chlorine. I purchased a Hanna pocket checker and was shocked how much chlorine was passing through my 3 stage into the pond. Good luck with your problems.

[@colinives6432]

I’m a new koi keeper and I have been watching your videos for last 8 weeks and I have found your experiences have help me so from me a big thumbs up. As for fluke I have experienced this as have many others koi keepers, my koi dealer was closed when realised i had fluke so I was in a situation where I had to buy a treatment from a larger retailer and I could only get Flukasole and after 24hrs I noticed a big improvement but then after the 4th day they seem to go the other way slightly so I gave a second dose after the 5th day and not the recommended 7 days but since the second dose the fish are happy and eating normally and they seem to be enjoying life that was 3 weeks ago so fingers crossed. Anyway I hope all gets better soon.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Hiya, thanks for shareing that. Glad your enjoying the videos. 🤞🤞 that's It for your pond then... cheers 😉👍

[@ThanhNguyen-is9ey]

Hi Gary, thank you for working through the video even though you seem disappointed. I'm in the US and have been dealing with flukes as well. I have follow one of the recommendations of Dr. Erik Johnson, who is one of the top veterinarians here in the US. He have a suggestion of dosing the pond with 2ppm of PP for 5 consecutive days. It's seem to help put the control over the flukes and my fish now. Let me know if you want to know more or try it. Every pond is different but I just wanted to share what works for me.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Thanks for shareing that with us. PP has always been a last resort for me, as its so harsh for the pond and the fish but yes also for the parasite. There seems to be a strain of Super Fluke that just won't go away.. cheers 😉👍🤞

[@PondKoiTipsTricks]

In the old days well 40 yrs ago pond keepers used to use 1 cup of Distilled Vinegar and Formalin mix. I like Distilled Vinegar Fluke and other bugs dont like it at all. But it does effect PH it drops it.

[@PondKoiTipsTricks]

Midnight and I have just been talking to my daughter in coolangatta she said have you tried Chloramine in the pond used a lot in AU she said it’s a killer it will get rid of almost everything and is a 2 day treatment.

[@raysharman7162]

Like most Koi keepers I've also got all of this going on. Fish spitting out food, sitting in the corner for days, flashing etc etc. On advice, I bought the £250 microscope to find out what the problem was.... found nothing. After a few days/weeks they all seem to get over it by themselves with no chemicals added at all. One particular fish, my favourite one too, sat in the corner and never ate for about four weeks but even he has managed to beat it and if I'm honest I was resigned to losing him. Hopefully this gives you some hope for yours mate. To put all this into context, I'm relatively new to Koi keeping, about 2yrs in. Keep up the great vids!

[@raysharman7162]

Also interesting info re the slugs - I often throw them in the pond for the fish to eat, maybe best not to in future

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

That feedback does give me some hope. Thank you for shareing your experiences Ray...😉👍

[@PondKoiTipsTricks]

My first go to has to be sea salt kills all those bugs on the fish I use 1kg per 300 gallons after 4 days I do a 10% water change each day for 5 days you can find you will keep trying everything to get rid of flukes and other bugs non may work but salt will.

[@martingage5323]

I know your pain. I had flukes for over a year and in that time I tried everything on the shelf and under the self to kill them off. Normal strain of flukes fine worked a treat then it was discovered i had a strain of fluke that was resilient to known fluke treatments. Super fluke..... alot bigger than the normal fluke. One thing i did was to submerge all pond equipment nets, bowls etc in the pond for the time I treated for, I noticed you removed the aquarium whilst treating fluke could remain on the glass or frame so again leave in pond and submerge if possible. Another thing i was told to do was with an abrasive sponge brush the top water line up to the copping stones as the fluke had been found in a scrape of a pond wall...... Done all this and still flukes. I then placed the trays of my bakki shower into the pond so they were under water rather than have water passing over......again still had flukes. i got into touch with the manufacturer of fluke solve and ran through the whole story .... a lengthy phone call that was. I was then invited to go onto the trial for fluke solve plus. I left everything running on the pond that would normally be and scrapped 5 koi before and found fluke in numbers. After the treatment I scrapped every koi and no fluke found. I scraped 5 koi every week for a month and still no fluke found. To date I've been fluke free. I've not added any new koi for some 8 months and still fluke free. A method of entry which seems to be common is if frogs or newts can enter ponds they may carry fluke. I like you have a raised pond so it would have to jump some to get in.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Thanks for shareing that...Some good info in there... 😉👍

[@susukidave1300]

Hi I watch all your videos great work keep it up, RE your Fluke problem ! are you sure it is not bacterial ? I had the same problem found nothing on scrapes other than dead flukes ! so I got a professional in and it turned out to be a bacterial infection . the way to check that is check the fins for deteriation / splits ect and 2 doses of chloramine T seems to of sorted it . it may be to late for the goshki because if it gets into the liver ect not a lot you can do about it but it will stop it spreading Hope this helps its only my experience i am not a vet or anything . good luck

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Hiya. Glad your enjoying the videos. Thanks for sharing that. I'm trying to avoid any more chemicals but if its needed then so be it..cheers 😉👍

[@keithcowburn4715]

In recent years my fish have had gill flukes and 2 lots of fluke solve have sorted it but this year I used 4 lots of fluke solve and it did nothing. I then tried 2 lots of lernex and nothing. I then tried 2 lots of lernex pro and had partial success. I then used 2 more lots of lernex pro but this time instead of just turning off the UV I turned off all the pumps aswell for 36 hours and used an airline with plenty of air and this did the trick. This could be worth doing or maybe using the fluke solve plus. Gill flukes can sometimes be hard to find if they stay in the gills and knowing how your fish react is sometimes the best way to know...flashing against their gills and any damage to the outer gill plate. Stick at it and you will get there.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Thanks for that. What a nightmare it's been this season for parasites.. You'll see what I've ended up doing in the next video tomorrow that is the plan for a while after a re-group and another plan of attack..😉👍🤔

[@ricey6105]

Check all of your water parameters… clamping and also being still with a raised head is sign of the little fella not feeling well all.. I also believe that he is doing this near where your pond is most oxygenated which could be a cause of the gill flukes damaging the gill Membrane… similar to when we have a chest infection… don’t rush into applying further treatments yet… next phase is to get him out.. sedate him And give him a thorough check over including his gills, are there any obvious signs of scarring etc etc

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Thanks for that...😉👍

[@PondKoiTipsTricks]

After months of looking at pond clays I have come to the conclusion they are all the same. Some manufacturers may say thay have this or that in them which makes them better however you will not see this on the label. Nothing is added to the clay and the exact amounts of the compounds in the clay depend only on where it’s found and nature not on the price paid. Montmorillonite clay contains calcium, sodium and aluminium, Bentonite clay potassium, sodium, calcium, silica, quartz, and aluminium. Koi clay can be added to food pellets soaking damp pellets into clay ingesting binds organic pollutants and toxins that are in your koi’s body and enable fish to excrete them more effectively. This can result in increased growth, improved colour, and healthier immune system, and greater energy. Montmorillonite has a 8.3 to 9.1 PH. Bentonite has a 7 to 8 PH. So the choice of clay can help you control some PH.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

I'm out of FOK so gotta get some more ordered from somewhere as my supplier can't get it in at the moment. I roll the food in the FOK and koi masters every now and again as it supposed to help when the fish ingests it..🤔😉👍

[@PondKoiTipsTricks]

@@KoiPondLifestyle FOK is the same as Montmorillonite Koi Masters Advantage is not a clay. Plenty of Koi Masters around. 5kg £30

[@PondKoiTipsTricks]

@@KoiPondLifestyle forgot to say have you had a go of Kusuri Klay it seems to clear in the pond in 2 hrs and have a fantastic water quality effect.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

@@PondKoiTipsTricks I have looked at that in that in the past and maybe one to try out on the channel? But I love using FOK and it amuses me each time I use it and play with its name...😁😁👍

[@PondKoiTipsTricks]

I could not belive Kusuri Klay how quickly it cleared in the pond between 2-3 hours whats more the colours of the fish seemed to improve you also need such a small amount 50g per pond.

[@davep4589]

Personally instead of trying different products I'd ask Steve to pop up with his Microscope and test kit to double check, no disrespect but he would find costia,or tric within a minute, and probably of saved you a good £50 even with his small call out charge. He's the man to listen to

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Yes he is the man with so much knowledge. I spoke to him earlier for advice so popping in to see him over the weekend..cheers 👍🤔

[@davep4589]

@@KoiPondLifestyle what I've learned off Steve is that patience is the key and follow his advise, sadly sometimes we need let nature take its cause, Andy Daily a few years ago had major problems, treated with everything and forever taking fish out, he was very close to filling the pond in, now he tends to hold back and up untill his pond upgrade was doing amazing, apart from one koi, try to chill out and don't over treat

[@atsuminaoki9910]

I believe that the high incidence of fluke in the UK is due to overfeeding in water temperatures below 20 degrees. In Japan, especially at 15 to 17 degrees Celsius, their appetite and activity is so great that it is easy to be misled into feeding too much, and similar problems occur frequently.

[@CATANDEYEKOI]

Very interesting findings, thank you. Stay safe

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Thanks for watching..😉👍

[@CATANDEYEKOI]

@@KoiPondLifestyle It's ironic that many people are suffering at the same time. I will be 2nd dosing on 17th, 3 week span, as a couple of mine have flicked recently. I need to consider water quality, general irritation (an itch), food stuck in gills and then parasites and bacterial. Still a way to go yet. My bank manager must be rubbing his hands. Keep up the great videos

[@PhilGsKoiPond]

Have you tested the water lately, I had one like ‘gary’ and found my nitrites were sky high hence the flashing and ‘Gary’ has now recovered and swimming eating happily… worth a test? Good luck mate.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Hiya, yes every other day water is tested and all good. I'm taking a water sample to my supplier to check his test against mine, just in case..cheers 🤔😉👍

[@thekoistop8483]

I have 2 doing a Gary, my kujaku and my Kikokuryu. No parasites, nitrite a little high but no stupidly high (had higher last year) Gave salt baths and they cheered up for a day then back to this again. Running our of ideas and I even pp the pond which pretty much kills everything (I hate doing pp treatment. Even as a dip) I have no clue as to what it is but in a way I'm glad I'm not alone. Another great video even thou the outcome was not as we all hoped

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Hiya, we all seem to be having the same issues.🤔 Hopefully we come up with a plan for us all. Glad.yiur enjoying the videos..😉👍

[@thekoistop8483]

@@KoiPondLifestyle I know this season seems to be really rubbish. Took an age for covers to come off and weather is so hit and miss as well no decent steady temps, and koi acting strange. Last year was amazing everything was perfect and this year is a shambles 😪

[@paulgoldsmith2653]

Gutted for you pal , so many of us going through this at the min , we was all routing for you and Gary too , I just used fluke solve plus after no luck with Kusuri formalin and mg , it’s killed my filters It’s one thing after another eh , but what doesn’t kill us makes us stronger pal , good luck

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

We will all get through this parasite nightmare after all the effort we put into the ponds..cheers 🤞👍😉

[@robertbrokenshire809]

I think it’s a very odd season. I had 2 of my oldest and biggest fish jump out the pond at the same time yesterday. Lucky my partner was looking at the pond and pushed them in back in. I did a water change as soon I got home. And again this morning. Doing water tests which are showing nitrates are high. Will do a 20% water change again tomorrow and test again. However the fish all look fine and happy at the moment

[@MikeZak101]

for two years now I raise the salt in the pond to 0.6% 3 days before adding my first dose of fluke solve followed buy a second dose two weeks later, then just let the salt level come down slowly over the rest of the summer. Second year running doing it this way and I don't see them flash for the rest of the year, added bonus salt at 0.6% kills all the algae off to so no need to buy any treatments for that either.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

I have heard that the Salt is the natural way to go. Just need to look further into it. Don't knock it till you've tried it...😉👍

[@johnhancock1968]

Hi Andy have you tried giving Gary a 5min salt bath

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

@@johnhancock1968 Hiya, I did give him a salt bath just a couple of days before he died but it didn't seem to do him much good? I think he was already on his way.. Should have some info why he died in the next video...🤔👍

[@carollycett1329]

Im gutted for you Andy I hope you get it sorted this time I really do need to scape a couple of my fish again just as a precaution stay safe 🙏🐟🐟🐟🐟🙏

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Thanks Carol. So frustrating trying to get the fish back to good health when other things are stopping me...😕🤔

[@richardiasparo5026]

I would do a FMG broad spectrum treatment (formulin and malchalite green). I use the one from microbe Lift (bsd treatment). You do a 25 percent water change before every dose. You dose 3 days in a row and then let it sit for 7 days.. Good luck..

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Thanks for that. The FMG is lined up as a possible next move. Just need to get the pond water changed then view all my options..🤔🤔 cheers 👍

[@richardiasparo5026]

Sorry to hear about your goshiki death. Hope you can figure this out

[@PondKoiTipsTricks]

Try some Acriflavin in the pond its a bit of a pick me up for koi as well as a treatment and it does no harm so can be put in with other stuff in the pond.

[@LauMagroTheFrenchKOInection]

I was really hoping you would have a positive result. But it's not all lost. Don't know when you last recorded but the Lernex pro might have had done it's work now. Hopefully. Going through that at the minute. Flukes have landed on my pond. For other reasons than birds..

[@harvindersinghuppal2162]

i've only watched a singe video with youself and Jeff making a trip to Queni... highly enjoyable.... Don't tell me Jeff gave you the Chagoi with flukes et al!

[@LauMagroTheFrenchKOInection]

@@harvindersinghuppal2162 hi, Jeff's chag is unfortunately far too large for my pond 😉

[@TheGingerPondkeeper]

I'm having a few health issues with my fish, based on my experiences, I wonder if you have dealt with the parasites, as you can't find any, but the fish have a secondary infection now. The length of time that many people have had in getting rid of parasites I guess would mean the fish have been unwell for some time, and even more likely to another infection, for instance, fungal or bacterial?

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Thats a good point! Thanks for that...🤔😉👍

[@baitking1]

Hi I’ve had same probs then I came across a product called envirex produced by Lincolnshire fish health it’s a totally natural product that degrades both solids & dissolved solids & helps lowering ammonia/nitrite/nitrate & phosphate The result is a more hygienic pond in which disease is less likely to develop. I purchased some put it in pond with in 2 hours my koi were swimming around looking for food no looking stressed or miserable or sitting on bottom.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

iya, Thanks for that. Ive found a product with some natural stuff in it that you'll see in the next video with an update on the pond and the fish... Cheers.😉👍

[@alexkoi4life914]

Nightmare these flukes. I’m scared to put anymore chemicals in. Iv treat mine twice now first with fluke p which really perked them up and they all ate fine again. Second treatment was fluke M. All koi are Heavily eating again.. I’m watching them these next couple weeks see what happens 🤞🏻 flukes are taking over this year for everyone by the looks of it. Hope you get sorted 👍🏻 hope we all do 🤣

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Thanks for that. Yes fingers crossed 🤞🤞

[@fromcitytowild]

Doesn't your pond get a lot of sunlight? If so, build a simple awning and that should help your water clarity too.

[@slammen]

Salt bath Gary , I had one just like Gary , some mornings I'd go out to check on him and he was on his side, I thought this was it but he would wake up and sulk on the bottom with fin lock . I put him in a salt bath a few times and moved him to another pond and he improved slowly , fins unlocked and started feeding again, it took about a month from sick to fixed . sometimes they are just like us , we get sick and it takes awhile to get over it.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Hiya, Unfortunately I lost Gary a while back as he never seemed to recover from the parasites. It seems that Costia got him in the end that followed the Flukes...🤔

[@slammen]

@@KoiPondLifestyle Sorry to hear that, I'm enjoying your vids and learning from them Thanks

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Thanks for that. Glad your enjoying the videos. Every day is a school day...cheers 😉 👍

[@PaulWheelerPhotography]

I’m bemused, and have no idea what to do next other than replace all the water through water changes over the next couple weeks. 😕 I have stream where water returns to my pond, and birds bathe in it. I must be incredibly lucky as I have never had to treat for fluke 🤞🏼

[@beesleyfarm8297]

Have you tried a bit of a faster flow in your pond... my koi really pick up, after a treatment if I up the air and flow rate to ‘white water rafting’ level 10.5.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Thanks for that. One to look into. Cheers.

[@colleenpenny6304]

Cant help you with koi flukes. Never had that ever and don't know nothing about those treatments. I think our super cold Canadian winters kill every last parasite. However I think sometimes the more treatment you add may create more problems. In the past I have had injured fish from tree limbs falling in pond and all I did was treat my pond with Laguna Pond Peat Extract as its all natural and prevents wounds from fungus. Never used salt either. Good luck with those pond flukes.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Thanks for that. I'm trying to give the pond and the fish a break from the chemicals for a while. Some fresh water might just give them a break to see if they will re-cover? Cheers, 🤔👍😉

[@colleenpenny6304]

@@KoiPondLifestyle I like to add fresh water daily to my pond system. I let it overflow down stream to big tree. Its good to add fresh water daily during extreme heat as well. Water from tap cooler than pond water and will help keep surface water cooler too.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

@@colleenpenny6304 Do you have issues with Chlorine from tap water over there? We have to filter all our water as such high levels if Chlorine is seen in tap water...

[@garyholtom]

Oh what a disappointment Andy, sorry to hear it hasn't worked for Gary, I feel your pain, it's so frustrating. Keep going my friend, with all the other pond owners you might still learn how to overcome the problem. 👍

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

I really hope so..cheers.. 🤞🤞

[@boxtriker]

The Fluke battle go's on thanks for filming

[@LeTwistedOne]

You not wrong there mate this hobby can kick the shit out of us at times keep you're chin up mate you'll get it sorted 🤞🤞🤞

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Thanks for that..🤞🤞

[@paulbridge2344]

Just had the same with my asagi. Scraped and nothing, then had to do 2 other fish (who weren't showing signs of anything wrong) and found whitespot. Apparently really easy to miss as they don't always move around. FMG has brought him round and eating again now.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

White spot, Interesting. Sounds.like you've got it sorted. 🤞🤞

[@MrRossmorton]

It is a sinking feeling watching your prized koi suffering, Don’t be tempted to add treatments though unless you find parasites, Flukes take it out of your koi, It could be a few weeks before they start to pull round and start to eat properly again, Be patient and make sure water is spot on, All parameters are good, Watch the fish for secondary infections as a result of the flukes and Scrape in a weeks time, Good luck !

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Thanks the feedback...cheers😉👍

[@londondzdz4264]

U can put a camera & check out ur fish anytime u want

[@PondKoiTipsTricks]

Is Garry still sick I would put Pond Medic Malachite Green in the water.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Gary didn't make it mate. Lost him a couple if days ago. I posted it on the community page for the channel..☹

[@StokeKoiAdventures]

Hi thanks for another great video. Some of my koi are just sitting at the bottom, not eating looking sorry I haven’t got a clue. Never done a scrape a bit unsure. Any way thank you Neil from stoke on Trent

[@marcellinemcnally3768]

People forget its water we keep not fish ,your water is priority 👌

[@DerbyKoi]

Mate I feel sorry for ya. Unfortunately everyone's pond will react differently with treatments so theres no one product for all, you've put a lot of chemicals in recently, maybe (just an opinion) that may be causing some of your issues. Especially as you haven't found any recent parasites. Hope you get it sorted mate. Ps I knew I should have patented the koi shaker 😬

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Cheers mate. Good point about the amount of treatments in the pond. But what if I leave it and should have tried with the Costia?? Gotta get some water changes done to try to clear the water. I thought you might pick up on the shaker tub...😉👍

[@DerbyKoi]

@@KoiPondLifestyle I'm not sure what I would do in your situation, but if didn't find costia I would probably not treat for it hoping it might help, I dont think blind treating is wise, I wish I could help or advise, but you seem to be doing everything I would have done, I will say that when I last treated for fluke a couple of koi still flashed for a while even after I scraped and found nothing, I left them alone and they stopped after a few days. Hope you sort it andy

[@pommieforever]

I have been battling flukes for over a year, nothing has worked, tried lernex pro, did nothing, lost my big chag, couldnt find costia, but dead fluke, so tried colombo alperex as a last resort, it killed 2 more, my pond is killing me, good luck with yours, mine im losing the will to live, bit drastic but i love my fish

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Really weird season this one. Too many issues to deal with and no time to enjoy the hobby we have put so much effort into. So sorry to hear about you loosing fish..😕😕

[@neillewis82]

If you can't find anything on scrapes and they're still under the weather not telling you how to suck eggs but have you checked water parameters? Hope Gary's ok mate

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Hiya, thanks for that. Yeah parameters were done first. All as expected...cheers 😉👍

[@charles29cc]

Maybe try get someone to pop over with ther microscope and have a go if your unsure on yours. Sometimes another pair of eyes can help. I just offered my help on this message then changed it as remembered you live in Stoke on Trent which is miles away lol

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

😄😄 No worries, but thanks for the feedback and the offer...😉👍

[@robertwilson1239]

I used kockney koi fluke off this season and its worked a treat

[@stephencooper1972]

Hi Andy where to start seen and read the comments it’s a tough one for sure but your fish tell you when they are not right I’ve had a garden pond for over 25 years started with gold fish and normal carp then put koi in and never really had any problems never owned a microscope never done a fish scrape but this year I’ve had terrible trouble with fish flicking rubbing and clamping up. So what do you do just leave and hope it will sort itself out well it won’t as I contacted a local pond company to come and do water checks and scrapes completely let me down gave me a date never came got in touch never got back to me all this took 10 days and in this time my fish were in a right state turning pink not feeding sores all over a right mess. Big decision time bought a microscope did scrape which is stressful to say the least found Costia and Trichodina treated all was good for about a month all started again but only did one treatment so did three treatments as people suggested and hopefully all is good at the moment fingers crossed. Morel of the story is treat sickly fish with what you find and I hope you get it sorted soon.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Some good points there. Thanks for sharing your experiences...😉👍

[@homemadefish164]

I feel your pain,I've had fluke this year with one fish suffering more than others,it's eating bit lost so much body mass I'm not sure how much longer he's going to last.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Yes, very annoying this season. 😕🤔

[@markf1fanagain]

I had something like this happen 2 months ago and I hit my pond with everything going from two doses of learnex pro and also PP and in the end it all came good. I really do think a PP treatment may well keep but it’s your call. Good luck

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Thanks for that. I try to keep the PP as a last resort TBH as its such a harsh treatment for pond and fish, but its always an option if all else fails. I'm trying to give the fish a break from chemicals to see some fresh water will help? Cheers, 🤔😉👍

[@chrisskoipond6900]

Hi there I had similar problems just like this early this year treated for flukes and one fish was still sitting at the bottom and couldn’t get him right ! After doing scrapes and finding nothing I decided to treat with FMG , this sorted this fish within 24 hours and been right ever since !

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Thanks for shareing that. I'm so tempted to do a FMG dose but think I'll change the water and see how the fish are once the pond it back without chemicals in for a few days??🤞😉👍

[@chrisskoipond6900]

@@KoiPondLifestyle yeah good idea , I always say to my self , if there water is good to treat then there’s no harm in treating anyway , like I said I had very similar problems to you and the fmg treatment sorted it right out

[@harvindersinghuppal2162]

Gary I feel for you mate, it's definately been the most testing season for me (koi keeping for 6 years) also ... too many issues to mention. Let's give it some time ..the fish have been battered and if it's been gill fluke then their gill would have taken a battering. Some mention soaking the food first so they can chew it easier (that's probably why they eat and spit out and then eat again) for them. If we're struggling then imagine all the new hobbyists coming into the game and those masses of people re-building their ponds (alot of place have sold out of the drum filters). It's not always the instagram world of wow koi that's for certain. Be well mate

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

I tried soaking the food in fresh squeezed orange juice to moisture the food and get some vitamin C down them. They weren't over impressed but it did go eventually..👍🤔

[@ollysdiykoipond455]

I used supaverm absolutely destroyed flukes in my pond, it’s very strong stuff and not advertised for koi/or flukes it’s actually for live stock I believe, but I’ve spoke to a lot of people who’ve used it with great results!!

[@craigwaring6742]

Oase Skimmer, cut a piece of filter grid with tight fit to put it in the flap door and make sure flap can move up and down, stops fish going in. had to save my crucian once, soon stopped the problem.

[@deanharding323]

I will try and put more oxygen into the pond and see if the koi perks up

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

All my air in on flat out... might reduce a bit throughbthe filters to increase to the pond??🤔

[@andrewrowbottom7080]

It can one of the best and also the worst hobby's in the world it's amazing when things are going right .. but the stress and anxiety when things aren't going well is a side of the hobby that isn't talked about much .. it's fair to say that I think everyone that takes this hobby seriously has felt what ur going though at some point with what ever issues they were dealing with .. good luck mate I'm sure u get to the bottom of it in the end some of the best advise I've ever heard is .. as long as ur putting in ur 50% in and doing everything u can then it's up to the animal to do there 50% as well ... It's not easy but it helped me 😁

[@sony436]

hi pal i used superverm sheep wormer tried fluke m did not work so tried superverm did two treatment and all gone

[@inmotion81]

Heating the pond to 30 degrees will help kill everything too

[@kevinhellier856]

Going through exactly the same even payed for a dealer to scrape nothing found water spot on still spitting out food my ponds raised and covered first time in 10yrs feel like calling it a day

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Hang in there mate. There's got to be answers out there. Would be a shame after all the effort we put in to the ponds..😕👍

[@kevinhellier856]

@@KoiPondLifestyle I know it sound daft but have you ever seen your koi cough that's what i noticed through the window mine are the same not a sniff at food day time but up and about I'm the evening

[@foxyben1212]

I'd forget the treatments, I love the channel but it seems every week (as with all KZbinrs at the moment) you are just filling your pond with chemicals. I am not sure if it is just to make content for KZbin, but I'd say it is worth a try at some good clean water and some good flow. You probably do it and we don't see it, but I can't remember the last time you showed us a good old fashioned water change...

[@CATANDEYEKOI]

Just used first dose of the new Fluke Solve plus, £59.95 at Cuttlebrook too. 2nd dose in 2 weeks, will update later.

[@paulgoldsmith2653]

I just used the plus too it says re dose after 3 weeks is there a reason to re dose after 2 , ( maybe heated etc ) cheers

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Interested how you get on with the plus stuff.🤔 Thanks for that..😉👍

[@CATANDEYEKOI]

@@paulgoldsmith2653 I put it down to the egg laying cycle but it could be just a recommended dosing plan. We will see.

[@paulgoldsmith2653]

@@CATANDEYEKOI good luck I’m at my wits end , hopefully the plus will work I think it hasn’t done it yet as mine are flashing after it’s been in 3 days

[@paulgoldsmith2653]

@@KoiPondLifestyle will do , it’s easier and quicker to get a divorce than getting rid of flukes

[@craigwaring6742]

If I was you I would finish the treatment after 7 days 40/50 percent water change, flush filters through. monitor for a few days and see of there any improvement because it could be the amount of treatments your using. If no improvement, hit with ntlabs FMG, More than likely now the flukes have gone trich or costia have moved in. I think koi will always have parasites but its about keeping the numbers down. Get yourself a apex practioner, great scopes even for a beginner.

[@PondKoiTipsTricks]

Slice of wholemeal bread on top of the pond that brought my fish up and starting to eat.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Literally just tried that. Most tried but Goshki just floated by not even looking at it...

[@graemejohnson2388]

Seen a odd one of my koi flashing but always seems to be after feeding and never the same fish. Scraped a few but can’t find anything. Reading up and someone says gill flukes as when they eating the gill flukes irritates them more. No idea really. Not sure to treat as not found anything and fish are eating like horses.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

You can only treat what you see I suppose. Cheers 🤔👍

[@graemejohnson2388]

@@KoiPondLifestyle Bought 10 tosai to grow on and they were all looking ill and lad from shop said dose with fluke solve even though they weren’t flashing and it seemed to do trick.

[@paulhigginson3876]

Well that’s the flattest I’ve seen you since I started following your channel. I can feel your frustration from here. I’m sure Andy you will get to the bottom of it and come out the other side. I’ve nothing useful to add other than keeping my fingers crossed for you Mate.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Sorry about my flatness. I tried to end on a positive but spent ages thinking I had nothing else to add. My positiveness will be back!!😉👍

[@paulhigginson3876]

@@KoiPondLifestyle Don’t be daft Buddy, your vids are always joyous and have me and the Missus laughing away. It’s blooming painful when your trying to fix something like this and the next hope hasn’t delivered. But Andy it’s real and honest 👍

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

@@paulhigginson3876 Thank you and glad your both enjoying the videos..😉👍

[@justinlane4620]

Just wondering how big is your pond as I am looking a building one soon and want to know what is a good size

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Here's a video with all the info on my pond build. Enjoy..kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6SXXoiuetRqmbc

[@paulwalsh8028]

Maybe you’ve missed something it’s not easy - I have had the same - go for a hit of FMG and see if that does it - just reduce feeding and keep an eye on the water parameters

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Hiya, that is something I'm considering. Cheers...

[@powapalpeter9071]

Have the same problems 3 fish doing a Gary and 1 just really bad all tests and scrapes fine Used fluke solve and 2 are better but 2 not right so put a costia treatment in and no change

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Gutted for you mate. Which Costia treatment did you use? It a real pain at the moment..

[@2010wembley]

Whats your water parameter readings ? (actual readings not just within spec). PH KH, GH etc I had a PH crash and the fish were acting like Gary.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

PH 7.8, KH 6, GH 8, Nitrite trace, ammonia no trace,

[@2010wembley]

@@KoiPondLifestyle i like my ph at 8 or just a bit over but 7.8 is still ok. Its a strange one especially as youve scraped him.

[@rickvaux5204]

Keep your chin up fella, give it time.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

🤞🤞

[@georgecromar4094]

I swear everytime I've fed daphnia red worm to my goldies I've introduced parasites. Plants possibly too!

[@ferguson077]

how about Salt ..always works for me ..used with a saltmeter ...i know the anti salt will jump on this but yh ok for me

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

I'm unsure about using salt in the pond. But never say never...🤔

[@ces69]

@@KoiPondLifestyleMost dealers use it for newly imported stock!

[@terryskoipond8006]

@@ces69 all dealers use salt all the way from top breeders in japan to the top dealers in the uk. i think the koi like a bit of salt in .the water. but i know that flukes costia ect ect dont like it at all. been using salt for 20 plus years in late winter early spring. and slowly water change out. seems to eradicate these problems.

[@steventoole897]

Hi how long do u turn ur uv off for while I add my fluke solve for cheers steve

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Hiya. 10 days after the last application. Apparently it stays in the system working for 7-10 days.. 😉👍

[@steventoole897]

@@KoiPondLifestyle thanks

[@thekoiaddiction4740]

🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@frankburkill6948]

Treated my pond with Lernex pro KH 7 or over Need to strip mucus off the koiTreated with cloramine T on the Wednsday Lernex in on Thursday NO water changes at all treated again on the Monday pond above 18 degrees repeat on fifth day Advice of local Koi expert He scraped my fish about 2~3 weeks later no flukes

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Hiya, Now that sounds like a result! 👍

[@frankburkill6948]

@@KoiPondLifestyle Yes a result used Lernex last year also

[@steveg4315]

Do you scrape under the belly ?

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Hi, I havent as Ive always been told to scrape from the gills to the tail, in that direction..😉👍

[@steveg4315]

@@KoiPondLifestyle I’ve been told to also try the membrane on the gill cover there is a chap on face book Shaun Slevin think he runs the koi helpline uk page on Fb really helpful worth having a chat with him talks to you in layman’s terms

[@tangm6969]

I was in same boat used NT LABS ERADICK for a week seem to have helped

[@matthewwhittle6700]

Try flukasol worried good for me Good luck 🤞

[@markf5758]

Don't be too concerned yet, your putting a strong chemical into your system . Some fish react different to others ie some will eat and some will sulk. You've also dosed again early which is banging up the chemicals Concentration in your system which in turn and again fish will react in different ways. Just let the chemical run its course and don't be tempted to put/add any other brands or what your using now until its safe to do so. Mixing chemicals or double dosing can have a effect on your fishes organs that could make them sulk or worse die. . The temp/weather's changes this last 4 weeks have also played a part in our fishes behaviour.

[@madforit9661]

Do you want to get in touch ?

[@craigevans3694]

Me personally I'd turn up the trickle in and out to change the water as much as possible, then give them a good dose of pond clay for 24 hours,then flush your filters, then try and feed them something totally different like wholemeal bread(not the one with any seeds in) take small bits squash it up so it sinks

[@steveskoi5172]

You shouldn't be treating for costia if you haven't found it.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

I've never treated for something I haven't found but running out of ideas and the fish are showing all the symptoms of Costia? I'm going to water change and have a rethink of the next move. Cheers

[@ces69]

@@KoiPondLifestyle If your going for an FMG mix, I’ve been told “kusuri” is one of the few with a stronger Formillin content!

[@copelandkoi]

Trying times

[@jeannineward285]

USE SALT !! .06% FOR 14- 16 DAYS!!! PLEASE

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

I've never been a salt user in my pond. I have dipped fish in a salt bath but not salted the pond itself. But never say never... You ant knock it till you've tried it..😉👍

[@PondKoiTipsTricks]

Go to honey cherios

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

Are you watching me over my garden wall or mind reading 😄😄. I put some of those in yesterday and they went well but not for everyone..

[@geoffnott3031]

With all the treatments that you have put in your pond, you are doing more harm than good. Your water and filter must me in a terrible state.

[@KoiPondLifestyle]

I agree. Chemical treatments have stopped. Ive got to get the fish and pond to recover now...🤔👍

[@PondKoiTipsTricks]

Pond electrics part 2 kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2STaX1vZp2ngck

[@Damyrr]

Try normal lernex, not the pro version

[@susukidave1300]

Hi I watch all your videos great work keep it up, RE your Fluke problem ! are you sure it is not bacterial ? I had the same problem found nothing on scrapes other than dead flukes ! so I got a professional in and it turned out to be a bacterial infection . the way to check that is check the fins for deteriation / splits ect and 2 doses of chloramine T seems to of sorted it . it may be to late for the goshki because if it gets into the liver ect not a lot you can do about it but it will stop it spreading Hope this helps its only my experience i am not a vet or anything . good luck