Koichi Tohei : Strength vs Ki - Aikido

1988 Akido seminar
all you need is here 4:45 - 13:00 and 19:50 - 25:30

[@lordbyron3603]

I purchased his book "Ki in Daily Life" back in 2007, flipped through it loosely from cover to cover and learned a few things about breathing and where to focus it and, Ki energy. It's now 2015 and I'm reading it again like it was my first time but with the intent of really learning and chewing on his teachings. Thank you Sensei.

[@williamdelong1936]

Good book.

[@KC-op6lr]

I was fortunate enough to meet him before his passing.

[@williamdelong1936]

One of Uyeshibas early students. He broke off from Aikikai started Shin Shin Toitsu Aikido. He taught ki principles first then technique. Great job.

[@masa168]

本物言葉は体に染入る 誠に有難い映像ですわ

[@SingaporeanInKorea]

Ki aikido was the aikido style i learned and its amazing how you actually experience the ki aspect thru its many exercises. However, i would still not treat it as a street defense application... at least not until you reach Master Tohei's level of competence.. personally, i dun see many people reaching that level of competency... i moved on from that to many different art forms but continue to revisit from time to time due to the ki aspect and how i can integrate that into my other art forms.

[@mountain1ify]

I did Seidokan Aikido, which was founded by Roderick T. Kobayashi, a student of Tohei's. I used it to successfully defend myself several times. Including attacks from behind, and multiple opponents.

[@Stanly-Stud]

Yea...dream on

[@humblegee]

Brilliant. Thanks for posting.

[@DuplicitousDark]

The reason why Tohei's brand of Aikido involves a lot big jumps and large dance like rhythm is because of his experience teaching in Hawaii. The students here were bigger than the average Japanese so you had to use bigger movements to compensate.

[@lordbyron3603]

Ki - Aikido or Aiki is where your hard, technique based training and practice will ultimately take you. Strength technique-based Aikido has its limitation whereas Ki Aikido does not since it is the constantly changing energies of the participants that the "technique" arises from and not from a preconceived or predetermined response.

[@valtito9297]

after 18 years of aikido i too can feel some of this ki. it comes when my timing footwork and breath come together it is very powerful i feel. but for me i am for BASICS - TIGHT AND UNFORGIVING. hehe blessings to us all!...

[@ccdev]

A lot of people think it's fake. That's allright, Tohei himself thought it was fake."I was just starting to think that if this was aikido I might as well forget it and go home. Just then Ueshiba Sensei returned. I produced my letter of introduction and he said “Ah yes, from Mr. Mori…” Then as a demonstration, he began tossing one of the larger uchideshi around the dojo. I thought it looked kind of fake until Ueshiba Sensei told me to take off my coat and come at him. I got into a judo stance and moved in to grab him. To my great surprise, he threw me so smoothly and swiftly that I couldn’t even figure out what had happened. I knew right then that this was what I wanted to do. I asked permission to enroll immediately and began going to the dojo every day from the following morning.

[@ChrisGrande]

ccdev amazing to see a well trained judoka develop into such "softness." Many of the early students had this experience. I wish I had taken judo before to mimic this progression.

[@alexscott730]

ccdev Fake is the wrong word.Over exaggerated reactions.I've been in aikido for 30 years and i know real falls verses exaggerated tumbles.

[@billbux8428]

So why does it fail in a ring fight??

[@mikedasilva5239]

@@billbux8428 The Founder and his disciples could and did use Aikido in real fights! Nowadays, Aikido is taught as an art form and not a real martial art!

[@billbux8428]

@@mikedasilva5239 They used JJ and whatever else they knew as aikido was being developed! Few dared to attack MU for his reputation (in JJ!), his students were attacked though! I’m not saying aikido is ineffective. I just don’t see it applicable in fights - with a trained fighter. If I am wrong, show me the video…

[@nihonmusume]

心技体ですね。頑張ります。動画を作って下さって有り難うございます。面白かったです。

[@ruariobrien]

Bhagawann, thanks very much for posting!

[@williamdelong1936]

He was my Teachers teacher. Great man.

[@smr144]

Koichi Tohei used aikido during WWII in Manchuria; same with Gozo Shioda. When Sensei Tohei came to the US to spread aikido he received a lot of challenges (mainly in Hawaii); some were friendly, some were not. I'm not defending aikido nor modern day aikidoka but Sensei Tohei was able to hold himself well in real life combat scenarios.

[@mikedasilva5239]

Nowadays, Aikido practitioners are not effective in a real fight.

[@alexscott730]

Aikido "fight" stories are a load of crap...They're like BigFoot stories...Everybody tells them but nobody has any video anywhere...lol

[@iloveyou281000]

@@mikedasilva5239 Not true. Aikido is a very powerful martial art 🥋. Steven Seagal exposed it to us. It’s defensive, not offensive. That’s why people who don’t understand it believe it to be ineffective in the real world

[@髙山喜晴]

心に響きます‼️

[@alessandroformiconi6242]

the best aikido! no push no jerk no force (or better I would say: the force of Ki). The arrival is the techique without technique. a great sensei!

[@deanwinter4849]

fascinating. After getting my Shodan I realise more that I have only learnt the 'techniques' of Aikido and only understand the basics of body movement.

[@Kaysar777]

He explains really well! I finally have understood the idea behind irimi nage! Thank you! :D

[@MsSuperww]

Then please tell us, in case you are not trolling, because most people don't understand japanese.

[@R3Hope2b]

MsSuperww Then take the time to learn Japanese like we did; it can be done. My friend also did it through the local library with sets of audio learning to speak and understand spoken Japanese.

[@MsSuperww]

R3Hope2b Unfortunately it is not in my plans to do it right now. I already speak other languages (portuguese, english, french, spanish and russian) but not japanese. Anyway, if Kaysar will be interested in sharing with others his findings and perspectives about the speech it would be nice. I am not asking for a translation, but for him to tell us what he means. I am curious about it and probably other persons are curious as well.

[@R3Hope2b]

If it is in his plans to, as he may also not have the time, perhaps in the right time you may be in the right place to experience some enlightenment, Alhough be aware that attaining real wisdom through force and belittling is not the best way. Be centered and at peace with yourself and wisdom will come.

[@peterkhew7414]

Erm, just observe his demonstration and you will know more or less what he is saying. Aikido is about timing, rhythm, concentration and relaxation. It's also written quite clearly in his book "Ki in Daily Life".

[@djsuter4410]

Interesting. Thank you.

[@atosmdq]

Thats assuming we dont care what he is saying, which is not the case. Sensei Tohei was one of the few who elaborated around the ki part of aikido, and probably every word he said has importance.

[@uoaeioeuiau]

Ki-Aikido is a "traduction" of Shinshin-tōitsu-aikidō, Tohei´s school founded after O-Sensei´s death. Tohei used to be chef-instructor at the Aikikai at that moment. I think its his Aikido´s specialty to work with rythm (you can see them almost jump and dance...)

[@elkysunnykuri]

本来武道とはこうあるべきだと自分も思います　人生に勝つ者こそ真の勝者

[@HesteBremse]

Well thanks for the clarification - but this is something that should be understood by any serious/experienced martial artist. If Ki was only a verbal attachment it would be only superficial, but when Ki is expressed "verbally" it helps manifest the energy and focus in the "Now". Most aikido practitioners are not the best attackers, applying proper Kia help raise that bar and adds to make you do better defense. It´s easy to meditate on the mountain top, but hard to find inner peace in chaos.

[@FireSilver25]

Aaawww maaaan....was hoping for subtitles! I bet I would have learned heaps.

[@josemanuelorts3240]

I love Ki Aikido

[@ericnozay]

I would be very gratefull if somebody could have the time, energy, will and kindness to translate it english or french. Domo arigato gozei mashita

[@andoyomark6592]

aikido seems more spiritual harmony! that's why i respect the aikidoist as long that they never harm anyone! :-) -mark

[@healingmomentum]

Fantastic.

[@sheldongannon4024]

I have tried in a couple of forms of Aikido, and the only instructor to put me on my backside without even touching me was a Ki-Aikido instructor!~ Ki Aikido is about leading your opp in the direction on which their energy is traveling!

[@小磯真魚]

隻腕の合気道家の華麗な受け身は説得力がある。

[@lordbyron3603]

When I bought his book back in 2007, little did I know about this great Master until the KZbin era. Although I don't understand what he's saying, I clearly understand what he's doing.

[@AstrotominChina]

I wouldn't say that. Actually Tohei was the only student to receive the 10th dan while the founder was still alive. He was maybe his best student ever. The problem may be with the methodology he developed and the way he taught.

[@Bhagawann]

what for? all you need is here 4:45 - 13:00 and 20:40 - 25:30

[@nattokirai]

I just understood that aikido is a whole different concept of martial art in which you use opponents ki to gain advantage. Japanese are way too smart for a human beings. So simple yet normally hard to realize for ordinary.

[@z-ap1399]

13:35 - 17:20 a one-armed person shows his moves!

[@kirameira425]

合気道は幸せになれますよね。

[@bastiaan0741]

You can click on English subtitles, but I would say 50% of it is wrong.

[@ccdev]

I thought the 'ki' in aikido & other softer martial arts was bullshit right until the end of last year. This damn "ki" has to be felt, the "art" part of this martial art of aikido requires that we feel it. a spectator or those who haven't felt the 'ki' in aikido would not understand.

[@ananiajean-pierre4637]

Koichi Tohei, est un bon maître de ki aikido et pendant qu'il était avec le fondateur Morihei Ueshiba qu'il aperçue que se n'est pas la technique qui compte mais l'énergie du partenaire et toi , et faisons un avec l'univers.

[@sahulz]

Observe Yoshinkan Aikido vs Shin Shin Toitsu and even Iwama or Ibaraki Aikido and you can see that Yoshinkan has stiff movements where "Ki" cannot manifest and flow freely.

[@hitohiso]

体が喜ぶ使い方

[@lo_lo_loccitane3479]

良い表現んですね。参考にします。

[@hitohiso]

@@lo_lo_loccitane3479 表現よりも発露。生理本能。

[@timothyobrien3142]

If you do not cooperate, it does not work. Too much of this requires cooperation from the Uke.

[@Bhagawann]

4:45 - 13:00 and 20:40 - 25:30

[@williamdelong1936]

My teacher told me Tohei was quite the drinker. My teacher was quite the drinker himself. Tohei saw battle never got a scratch or lost a man.

[@haljane]

Who was your teacher...?

[@chinesebob7220]

Tohei was skilled in judo, likewise Ueshiba was a daito-ryu expert. When they beat people in real fights they didn't use aikido alone, but aikido combined with another martial art.

[@HesteBremse]

To be honest i did not see anything that was not related to the general understanding of basic Aikido Principles. It don´t know much about Koichi Tohei but he seamed like a master no doubt about that. but I never understood the need to ad "Ki" to the "Ai Ki Do" where the word and it´s meaning is already an integrated part. IMO I must say that both the hip work and the Ukemi attacks looked rather stiff plus no Kia was applied to put focus and power into the attacks. Anyway thanks for sharing.

[@sheldongannon4024]

KI... Is letting your personal energy flow. Try this. Next time your tp is on to tight. Grip with both your hands, and use your body to turn it by relaxing your body and making it heavy. Your bady weighs more than your strngth, so use it's poer!

[@fredatlas4396]

I had experience when still a child of trying to open a draw with force and it didn't open, but when I relaxed stopped trying it opened easily. Is this what you are saying, I think in our culture we are encouraged to try harder when we don't succeed, so we try harder and become tense and sometimes hold our breath instead of breathing, which appears to just make things worse. And I personally forget this and so mostly just continue trying to hard and forgetting to relax.. I tried Aikido many yrs ago but I ended up with a shoulder injury and problems with my wrists and some knee pains very shortly after trying it. I then stopped and have been told I'm suffering from underlying hypermobility problems. My wrists have never properly recovered and still get some shoulder problems despite having physiotherapy and doing the exercises and pilates. I think one problem is that the club I went to for some unknown reason decided not to do proper warm ups before the classes the instructor was genuine as i checked with the relevant governing body in the UK for martial arts before attending the lessons.

[@ozgurrion2383]

Deben de explicar que esa danza y esas caídas al menor de los contactos son también técnicas q se usan para no salir lastimados en un combate o demostración QUE EN UNA ACTIVIDAD NO CONTROLADA EL OPONENTE SIN CONOCIMIENTO NO VA A SALIR VOLANDO O REBOTADO COMO EN LAS DEMOSTRACIONES

[@williamdelong1936]

Mind leads the body.

[@branisab]

can someone translate this ?

[@Alanhock75]

Ki aikido attracts people who want to do a martial but don’t want it too physical and with a bit of a mystical aspect.

[@vresportsbrasil]

somebody translate this, please...

[@セシウム-p1y]

Why do you have this video? Anyway very nice :)

[@faidon90125]

Need english subtitles!

[@wolfairsoftgun]

beautifull

[@FightClubStellingen]

subtitles would be nice

[@Dumaiu]

All this and a sense of humor, too.

[@dramaticreaper]

So aikido ki and all is pretty questionable but this guy is a living testimony to it's effectiveness. The only reason I don't call bull on this yet is because of how this guy survived fights

[@sendtextmessageto]

some of it went to fast but what i got out of it was special

[@altairlavin7834]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@dustinclark9504]

Good art

[@Bhagawann]

@humblegee welcome

[@247ninja]

turn on cc and translate captions

[@OmniaCrafts]

So why does he do any talking at all? ;) Clearly he has something to pass on with his words to help people to understand more, a translation would be excellent...

[@Bhagawann]

really? I see it so much...you have so many different type of Aikido, Iwama-ryu, aiki kai, yoshinkan aikido, real aikido, etc...he use no strenght, no pushing, just Ki.. watch this Endo sensei /watch?v=xbxWbehlB98

[@HesteBremse]

To apply a successful Aikido technique, one will need the exact same initial blending (or physical empathy) as shown in both videos, essentially meaning not to go force against force - that is basic Aikido learning - difficult to learn and master never the less. Also Hanmi stance is a constant ingredient, especially visible in the linked video, keeping you center and balance is basic Aikido practice - in the moment one uses force in Aikido the technique is void - All Still basic Aikido to me.

[@rrthedoctor]

this is brilliant. I wish i'd understand japanese languange :(

[@aureliapenel415]

me too :-) I wonder if anybody would add an english subtitle to this :)

[@SatyrosJayIronHorse]

Wish it had English subs.

[@thevapingauditfrog2387]

English subtitles would be most appreciated.

[@snakeeyes9350]

Had super hearing abilities and could understand anything.

[@jaime0]

His speech is very impressive, clear and rational with humor. Zero power. Obviously Aikido and Aikijujutsu are originally for Samurai.

[@williamdelong8265]

When you don't know how you were thrown it's demoralizing.

[@imankhan1999]

Most of you already know that ki or chi is the energy we feel around us, only specifically used or directed against a bigger opponent. For example, I practice ITF Taekwon-Do and I was practicing self defense with one of my classmates; defending against a stick attack over the top... for that defense I only redirected my opponent's motion away from my vital targets. In short, that's somewhat like aikido, ki

[@gordonames1892]

ACTUALLY, I WAS TAUGHT TO DIRECT THEM TO THE NEAREST WALL. MY SENSEI WAS A DICPLE OF SENSEI TOHEI!!

[@CorporaMedicina]

..but there is no ki..

[@aka0415]

この講演の前半部分が見たいです。どこかにないでしょうか？

[@セシウム-p1y]

多分あると思いますが、心身統一合氣道会　本部に直接問い合わせる方が早いと思います。

[@kazuotanaka1892]

ワンネスこそ、世界最強である

[@Shapeshifterxxx]

Where is his light sabre? Jedi bs

[@jaky222]

master kay!!!

[@yamahansolo]

Why don't you guys check out Lenny Sly's aikido if you think it's BS...

[@alexscott730]

chris payne Lenny Sly's aikido isn't this.

[@林襄-h7s]

絶対に笑い取りにいっている。

[@luantobe]

Hay. Không cần gắng sức để xoay tay đối thủ.

[@Bhagawann]

+lu Pham Maybe :)

[@Borogas33]

While i have the utmost respect for what Tohei is "trying" to demonstrate, the behaviour of the Ukes' is ludicrous and quite frankly Farcical. An embarrassment to Aikido.

[@Derukugi2]

But this is Ki Aikido... love it or hate it. Fwiw this stuff is the reason he was kicked out of the Aikikai.

[@seikibrian8641]

Derukugi2 To be factual, he wasn't kicked out; he quit to form his own organization. He sent out a letter of resignation in May of 1974, and many instructors and students around the world went with him.

[@Derukugi2]

***** Well, I think that is semantics. Yes, he quit, but that was because the doshu told him to either stop his Ki antics or else.... so you might want to say "he was made to quit".

[@seikibrian8641]

Derukugi2 Well, he could have "stopped his ki antics" and stayed. But he wouldn't do that. He believed in what he was doing. So he quit.

[@Derukugi2]

***** Well, is the glass half-empty or half-full? The situation that you describe, I call "kicked out". You call it "he left". What gives?

[@sheldongannon4024]

And yes, this is staged, as these are drills! However I assure you the falls are for real!

[@tavtav3526]

I hope there's subtitle in this whole video.

[@williamdelong1936]

How do u resist non resistance?

[@Aikiarts101]

Resist less

[@Khwartz]

no comprendo :/

[@TheRogueMonk]

this looks like sega saturn graphics haha.. its like watching shemnue

[@williamdelong1936]

Winning without fighting.

[@palauniczyiczy6700]

в это всемя ему было 68))

[@foxybrown2]

Timing balance and body structure and well placed energy. They are exaggerated rolls though but that is because they know how to roll. A person off the street would hurt himself rolling or not rolling with the move. And then again a lot of Aikido moves have been proven not to work.

[@藤和三]

弟子はゆっくりどこから殴ってくるか分かってる。素早くどこから殴ってくるか分からない空手・ボクシング・キック・柔道・レスリング・相撲・総合などの巨漢の実力者に同じ技をかけても軽く宙に舞うのだろうか？

[@AlexTRANSFORMATE90dias]

Compañero muchas gracias por insultarme a través de un comentario, es obvio que tienes una vida demasiado amargada y eso se ve en tus palabras, ademas de tu absoluta falta de educación y de cultura, que pena, pero es normal en las personas incultas, te entiendo y por eso te deseo lo mejor, y por cierto, intenta leer un poco a ver si así aprendes a hablar como las personas y no como los animales ;-) Animo :-)

[@BullsEye]

what the heck is this?

[@CorporaMedicina]

+BullsEye ballet

[@2yoyodog]

YES!..but unforunately all the moves have been scripted

[@大嶋一衛-x5j]

藤平さんのリアル格闘シーン。素人相手なのにこれはないわ〜…。 kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2bEYYdqmr2sesUsi=Jzmn_ZoyYbOL_eBr

[@千葉ひで子]

cえあ

[@perrypelican9476]

Ki is called qi or chi by the Chinese. It has nothing to do with aikido of Kung fu. It can be used by anyone to produce power. The thing I don't like about aikido is the ridiculous outfit and all the bowing. Then there is the spiritual stuff. Very cool to be spiritual but to deny sparring and realistic fight training is a terrible idea. This guy advanced past a lot of the bull but why did he keep the skirts and bowing . All that does is make it much less real. You want to have a martial art as part of your life, not requiring you to change what you are wearing and get everyone to bow and sit on the floor. It should be part of every day life. Too bad this is in Japanese. I would like to extract the valuable info from the ton of crap. The biggest problem is that aikido never demos realistic attacks by multiple kicks and punches. It's all about wrist locking, which doesn't work against a repetitive kicking attacker who may be kicking to the knees and liver. In the demonstration there was not a single realistic attack. Who swings their arm towards someone to nicely give the guy time to do what he wants with zero resistance or recoil. Even beginners do not extend their arm slowly for someone to easily grab your wrist and do nothing like punch or kick. Aikido has great techniques but if you never practice realistic attacks, it's almost useless. Ok this guy has some cool stuff but he is the most advanced aikido guy of all time. He can do things that other high level guys can not do at all. But again, let's see him deal with a real attack by a person REALLY trying to hurt him, NOT playing the aikido dance.

[@Shapeshifterxxx]

This is the shit that gives aikido a bad name.

[@youknowme...1840]

理屈は分かるが、動きが非実践的。使えない。