Koreans Aren't Getting Married and Here's WHY!

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[@niners9485]

Cost of living is the center of everything. Too costly to do anything.

[@ishiharamusic1636]

Agreed

[@ohnosmoarlulcatz]

When it went from "should we have kids?" to "can we afford to have kids?", that's when you know things were going to be effed badly

[@downtomars6268]

Cost is a common excuse. In a study, South Koreans and Chinese had among if not the lowest birthrates in the Western societies relative to other groups like South Asians living in the same country.

[@RedDevilStudio]

Cost of living is not limited to Korea, its pretty much all over the world, so it can't be the only reason.

[@tigerbear3038]

No, it's not. If two people are financially responsible and not trying to take advantage of each other, getting married will save you money.

[@annunakian8054]

Young ppl withdrawing from society has become a problem in developed economies, for whatever reasons. Many don't want to engage in relationships, let alone marriage & parenthood.

[@Suhpreme_K]

I think it's a combination of everything. Reasons like: Wages not catching up to inflation, Long work hours, Women having more options since they're more involved in the economy, The creation of birth control, A lot of Koreans being involved with the entertainment industry, Disagreements in political views, Not wanting to give up their "cool" lifestyle, etc.

[@j.c.9302]

I agree with pretty much everything you guys said, but it's primarily work culture. Their government is trying to raise the required work to an absurd 69 hours per week. Throw in the commute, work life obligations (like employee get togethers which is common) and it makes it impossible for any type of individual personal life let alone an entire family's. Late stage capitalism and inflation/the wealth gap is hitting competitive collectivist societies extra hard.

[@jjsamuelgunn1136]

i guess that's the price you pay for economic development of a nation. you wanna be rich, you work harder and longer hours. it's no surprise that the asian countries that experience rapid economic growth post WW2 like korea, japan, china, singapore face a population decline. in contrast lower income countries like those in africa and south asia, tend to have higher population growth. that's sort of ironic when a common reason from people putting off marriage and kids is the lack of money. even the richer western nations have a lower TFR but it's offset somewhat by immigration.

[@1stHalf]

@@jjsamuelgunn1136 That's the problem, its not I wanna be rich, it's the minority that will get all the money. The majority will pay with their suffering and lives for the minority. It's great to have economic development but you need to make it fair. Minimum wage should always be able to cover your basic expenses. It doesn't and never will.

[@jjsamuelgunn1136]

@@1stHalf i agree totally with you on first part of your observation. a single person can only get filthy rich riding on the backs of other people. there is no way one person can generate so much value added production himself to become a billionaire. there is only 24 hours in a day. there are some exceptions though. also don't forget, the person who hires you to work for him will never let you get richer than him. in the first place the purpose he is running the business is to enrich himself, not you, not his employees. i mentioned this to one of my friends the other day. he took the opposite viewpoint because his parents are businessowners. he said that's capitalism because the business owner is using the 'risk of his capital' so he is justifying in making more profits. there is your reply from the capitalists right there. no so very long ago that was the reason the western nations used to flog communist countries, saying that their socialist economic system is inferior to the western capitalist system saying that communist countries using socialist economic principles will have third world living standards. TBH, i tend to agree with your personal POV, why should we work like dogs to enrich the guy at the top. however, i am wary about setting minimum wage too high. not disagreeing, but wary. in my POV we should explore alternative like cooperatives where the workers and employees get a share in the business organization, not just the top guy. or even redefine work hours. the 9 to 5 system (worse in some countries) is a product of the industrial revolution just a couple hundred years ago. why is this a hard and fast rule for human civilization. why can't we work 5 hours a day and take shifts instead. heck, the business might even open 24 hours a day as long as there are people working 5 hour shifts. sure, salary will go down because you are working less hours. but at least you have a choice. you can 'double' your salary if you take another shift if you choose to.

[@1stHalf]

@@jjsamuelgunn1136 I'm down for whatever works! Great reply!

[@ghazaliabdelouahab-bu9zn]

❤😊​@@1stHalf

[@jeffsong5653]

It all comes down to economics. The cost of living is getting out of control. Women are opposed to patriarchy. Also won't marry men with no financial assets to offer. Men no longer want to make sacrifices being an ATM machine for their families and other burdens men have to carry. The singles in SK claim they are content with the way things are. Once they enjoyed living with no obligations then no marriages I guess. Can't blame them.

[@1stHalf]

Women not marrying a bum is not due to economics since it actually shows the broke man is irresponsible.

[@RedVelvetUnderground333]

ppl realized they are not making more cogs for themachine,the compensation is not there.

[@91722854]

and then they argue that people must marry and procreate to create children coz their neighbours' children will be ones supporting their retirement life and social support, bounding them

[@1stHalf]

Exactly, they want them to die for the company.

[@jaein7779]

The Korean work week is crazy! Make the work week 40 hrs a week period.

[@yungacid1]

Even 40 hours is excessive if you really consider what it entails. It should be 21 hours a week. Research shows that humans are cognitively maximally productive on a circadian basis for about 3 to 4 of those hours. Most work can be accomplished within this time if focused and directed. After that it's diminishing returns.

[@ponuni]

filipinos calling other asians short is crazyy lmaoo them dudes like 5ft on average.

[@quincy189]

filipinos arent even spanish according to dna and they wish they were part european they are actually chinese mixed with native filipinos which is austronesian basically pygmy black. This is why they are so short and have some black features like big bug eyes and flat wide short nose. They claim their big eyes are from spanish but it is not its black people eyes and its not deep set like europeans. And idk why they keep saying they are part spanish just cause their grandparents said one of their parents is part spanish which when they take a dna test that have 0 spanish dna and mainly just chinese and austronesian dna. If they were really part spanish it would show in their features which we don't see in their features. Mexicans are part spanish and it shows in their features the spaniards did not grape the filipinos if you learned the history just all of them had to change their last name to a spanish one they actually dont have spanish blood

[@quincy189]

google asian pygmy

[@JiggerjoggernoHGer]

Do Asian pygmy women come in like a fair skin complexion like noble Northern Chinese and Japanese / Korean women (Busan/Seoul) primarily ?

[@quincy189]

@@JiggerjoggernoHGer im talking about filipinos have no spanish blood they are actually chinese setters mixed with native filipino which is austronesian race basically they look brack and look like they are from the same family tree as brack pygmies. Filipinos love to claim white european spanish when in fact like 99% of them dont even have spanish blood and their big eyes claim is false their eyes are bigger because east asian mixed with Austronesian which are basically brack which is why they have big bug eyes and not deep set eyes like europepans. Not only do filipinos have bug eyes but also short flat wide nose that like africans. And no they usually dont come in fair skin unless their dna is more east asian or actually mixed with east asian or european dna. My comment keeps getting deleted by you t because people cant handle the truth or if you say anything brack its against community guidelines lol

[@davdin2]

People are exposed to fun and excess throuh the internet. Selfishness takes over. Children are a sacrifice, but also a blessing if you are lucky.

[@JasonK.-cy2tl]

True.

[@DanH-u3f]

The youth can't afford their own home.

[@weihanwang]

Not about popularity, just don't want the responsibility, with the new generations becoming more and more self conscious and indulged. Rather spend all that time and money, etc on self than others.

[@kimchi_taco]

Young Korean doesn't get married because of money. Him: because I don't have enough saving money. Her: because he doesn't have enough saving money. BTW, young Korean man want to get married with Japanese and Vietnamese women for some reason.

[@KangOfTheNomadicConsortium]

Shoutout to you on your journey and much success. Go for it. "I" would say Viet for the win!!!! (*I'm not viet BUT I've dated Viet women). You're welcome. Japanese...60/40 on the relationship end - now it's getting bizarre out there.

[@badass197]

Once you have kids it’s not about you and your life is pretty much over.

[@dualshock3]

Literally this and people just dismiss this simple fact lol Once you give birth to a child, your next 18/21 years are done for, until the kid is grown up and out of the house..

[@shun8104]

If you're good parents yeah

[@tazdeville55]

Kids are a lot of MONEY and a lot of WORK! No thanks cause I Am LAZY and that little money I can make is going to be spend on you guessed it., ME. 😏

[@tandelta6843]

Imagine if your parents were thinking like that

[@Lover-ji3je]

Honesty is next to godliness.

[@pixperformance21]

The Matthew effect hits different in S. Korea. Marriage is now becoming a privilege. In Korea, the guys I've seen get married and stay married already had an advantageous position in life, due to their parents. The other thing is that marriage is no cake walk, no matter your background. Your parents don't get along with your spouse or in-laws? That stress will kill you. #3, Infidelity is huge in Korea. If you know, you know.

[@michellesp7805]

Some cafes in S Korea don't allow children because they don't want the liability of cleaning after children or if the child were to get hurt on site. But gender inequality is a big problem - S Korean women often have to quit their job and satisfy their in-laws. Most women don't want to be a full time housewife anymore and be the only one responsible for cooking and cleaning on all the holidays

[@KangOfTheNomadicConsortium]

🤣you nailed it

[@ga5835]

You know nothing The problem of s.korea is that women have too much power. It spoils everything in korea rn

[@danielokada6154]

Cost. cost of living in a society that experiences a rapid shift in development over one or two generations leads to a fundamental shift in social values. when the cost of children/families rises too rapidly, the middle class finds difficulty in self perpetuating. cheaper to stay single and enjoy a higher standard of living when family is no longer the greatest social value, while the mid to bottom finds that a family is no longer financially viable.

[@savagecat5499]

Having unrealistic high standards in selecting a partner and also not willing to put up with a crappie partner.

[@ereniz09]

what are the high standards… korean men have a high statistic of being abusers just look at how lenient the law is towards sexual deviants…

[@wilkesmcdermid7906]

That's Asian women when it comes to judging an Asian man, while they would date a drug addicted, homelss racist white guy.

[@DiamondFlame45]

Having kids is not “uncool.” The better word to use is inconvenient because raising kids is an inconvenience. Which I can see why being inconvenienced by kids is uncool lol

[@1stHalf]

It's 100% uncool.

[@hammersampson]

Kind of hard to hook up with someone when you have to move back in with parents because you can’t afford rent.😂

[@KangOfTheNomadicConsortium]

Love hotels existed in Japan hotels are in the U.S. still can be done

[@cale7306]

Priority changes and the lifestyles advertised doesn’t intersect with having a family.

[@Razear]

If it's "uncool" to have children, then you might as well talk about the inevitable conclusion of that sentiment: civilizational collapse. Forget about marriage for a second. How many Koreans are even in long-term common-law relationships to begin with? I'd venture to guess that a large chunk of people are either chronically single or engaging in casual flings, which is the root of the problem.

[@Mackulkov]

East Asian cultures treat wifes, daughter in law horribly. Forced to join husbands family and with tons of burdens. Simply observe how many mother-in-law vs daughter-in-law conflicts in all dramas. That's the hardest part.

[@lukejeung4615]

For the guy, it is too costy to keep up with women who only pursue their lifestyle instead of building a family with men.

[@Neekoolos]

I've lived in Korea for 11 years and the first thing I always hear about having kids is the cost. (That it is super expensive) The funny thing, is it is NOT. (I've saved so much over 11 years and I own an apt now) Parents choose to make it expensive because Korea has such a competitive nature. Parents think they HAVE to send their kids to private academies everyday to improve their chances at success in life which can cost hundreds or thousands a week, and you hear about this in the news "having a child costs this much a week!". And these academies aren't just boring subjects, these include sports, robotics, coding, dance, etc. And in the Korean kids' culture, they often feel like a loser if they don't go to all the academies and their friends do (even if they don't like the subject). At school you hear kids say, "I learned A yesterday" and another kids rebuts, "well I learned B, A is easy". So, even the kids can pressure parents into going to the "hagwons". The second thing is kind of strange. Koreans feel like you need to have completed a checklist before you can even THINK ABOUNT getting married and having children. example: I have a job and make A amount of money [X], I have a car [X], I have an apartment owned [X], My partner meets A B C requirements [X], My parents approve of everything in my life [X], and now I can finally have a kid. For most, it's not even an option until these are met. Were as in the west, people just make babies and go with the flow and make it work financially. Koreans are perfectionists and planners so you really need to be in a good position to even consider it. Third, I think the over-time work culture + academy culture combined to have a strange effect where for the past 30ish years families have become less "loving". Compared to the west, family members see each other WAY less. Perhaps only weekend dinners. So these kids grow up not seeing the joy a family brings, and they raise their kids the same way, so less kids dream about starting a family and dream about making money more. And lastly, I think the "I want to stay cool" point is also true. So a lot of their money is budgeted to have a cooler life style, but they could easily afford to have a kid, that goes to 1 private academy a week. I really think this generation of parents need to spend more time with their kids, and when these kids grow up they'll want to have kids too. The best fix I believe is to have ALL academies close by 7pm (will never happen because they will make less money), because a lot of kids stay out until 11pm and eat dinner with friends and when they finally get home they do their school and academy homework. Plus, companies need to have no overtime policies, so parents and kids actually get to spend time together. You can make the cost of living crazy cheap, and parents will use that extra budget to send the kids to more academies haha. You gotta show this generation of kids what the joy of having a family is, or else they are just going to repeat what their parents and grandparents have done.

[@2DarkHorizon]

Nothing to do with cool. Alot of traditional countries begun to have low birth rate like 15 years ago already.

[@basedviet]

Getting married and having kids is cool. Being single, traveling, partying, etc. gets old after a while.

[@basedviet]

where do you live that kidnapping is a concern?@@P.90.603

[@Lover-ji3je]

Not when you are intelligent and wealthy. Not everyone wants the Responsibility of Children. No regrets 20 years now.

[@basedviet]

@@Lover-ji3je cool

[@kylorokx1552]

HOW COME FUNG BROS BECAME PODCAST??

[@carlosT3000]

It's already been happening in America and we are worse off for it

[@Sfb396]

only their government can change this. Koreans are way overworked from low paying jobs to the high paying jobs it doesnt matter. Their gov puts way too much focus on education and work, it makes your people put less importance on other things. they only have enough time and money to socialize with friends, not enough to commit to raising a full child. Unfortunately idk if their gov are actually gonna make a big step with this, they might just allow more foreigners but on the condition they have be married with kids with a Korean citizen

[@lazzi2462]

I have never heard that it was "uncool" to have kids. Maybe "uncool" was the wrong word to use, but for the married people who I know that haven't had children yet, are the ones who still want to travel first, something that would be hard for them to do if they were to have a child. That doesn't mean it's "uncool" though, I'm sure most people who get married intend to have a child in the future.

[@DiamondFlame45]

I think those dynamics are changing now. Marriage doesn’t necessarily mean with the intention of having kids these days.

[@jjsamuelgunn1136]

Kids per se aren't 'uncool'. But the resulting consequence drags your lifestyle into the realm of 'uncool'. You can't travel. You can't spend your excess cash on designer items, clothes, fancy cafes and restaurants, concerts, clubs. Meeting up with your friends for a wild night out? Forget it! Your social media life (which for most people is their entire life) will be zero cuz you don't have anything 'cool' to show. Instead of snapping a cool pic of your dressed up and made up for night out, what you have show is eyebags from staying up all night to feed your crying baby, messy floors from spilled milk or strewn toys. You'll be spending more time talking about which school to send your kid to than which club to visit this saturday night. Oh, and here's the real kicker. After ten years, your kid will be entering the phase called Teenagehood. You know this very well, the young generation are the gods that define what is 'cool' for the entire human race. To teenagers, their parents are automatically uncool. Congratulations, you have now been OFFICIALLY designated UNCOOL by the very brat you gave birth to.

[@lazzi2462]

@@DiamondFlame45 I mean marriage has never meant that, & that's why I said "most." But again, I'm sure even nowadays most still get married with those intentions though.

[@jjsamuelgunn1136]

@@lazzi2462Having kids per se is not 'uncool'. but the consequences of having kids will drag you into the realm of 'uncool'.

[@xXPurpleLoliTranceXx]

Why are ppl making it seem like having kids is some kind of fad?? Kids aren’t a friggin luxury item you show off and lug around, they’re human beings that need lots of love and money to sustain their livability!

[@user-fb6hy2eh5y]

As an American, learning about SK's housing norms is dystopian. Capitalism off the cliff

[@RedVelvetUnderground333]

Sk is corpo heaven , they rlly embody that cyberpunk dystopia

[@KangOfTheNomadicConsortium]

Look up Singapore's housing norms.You will want to hire a lawyer very very very very very fast

[@timmyg831]

In America, most men avoid single moms and older single women. What’s going to happen in Korea 20+ years from now is a millions of single older women probably regretting avoiding marriage or developing a lasting relationship. They’ll be a lot of lonely middle aged/ old women in the future, with cats. But frankly I think it has more to do with money in Korea. If Korea can somehow fix the inflation, cost of housing, etc. then more people would get married and have kids.

[@lindalately]

Unfortunately have to agree with most of these comments, never thought I’d live to see society get to this point so soon.

[@KangOfTheNomadicConsortium]

It was moving this way since 1998 saw it coming then...and got my 3 marriages under my belt. whew!!! Times have changed.

[@reihalondres9518]

4B movement should a movement worldwide ❤

[@KangOfTheNomadicConsortium]

why? I'm curious if you know what it is?

[@reihalondres9518]

@@KangOfTheNomadicConsortium its a feminist movement defying patriarchy like women stopped dating men, marrying men, having sex with men and just stay away with men romantically .... In korea as of now there are 50k+ members of the movement

[@reihalondres9518]

@@KangOfTheNomadicConsortium 4B movement is a feminist movement originated in korea to defy patriarchy and its atrocious acts against women... The 4 B movement has 4 core values, never married to man, never having sex with a man, never having a relationship with a man, never procreate.

[@2DarkHorizon]

I think the reason is how much people underestimate the affects of women getting educated in the dating market and earning more. Alot of people still think being "cool" is being dressed like thug or rapper and not being a professional. But actually as women got more educated there been an increase attractiveness for more the career and office type. Bascially how south korea is. More women want men working at top companies with top education. If you go by the statistics the most married group in USA is those that are educated and high wealth. The least married are uneducated and low wealth. I think alot of men havn't caught on this trend. More men are dropping out of university and less are going. However women are more attracted to those type that get educated nowaday. For example black women are 5 times more educated than black men. Then marriage rate for black americans is only 30percent

[@jonathanthink5830]

are you guys married?

[@excripto1]

I thought the opposite, because I see way too many Korean men marrying non-Korean women.

[@leeaznmode]

@@Personbuxth are you rich? dating korean women is easy but marrying is much harder and demanding you'll need to have lot of money,prepare for a house or already buy an apartment (and not in the countryside but somewhere good in Seoul,gangnam and hanam are the best,with pyeonchangdong) and also prepare for the future (all of these have to be done by the man) the money you will earn will not be your money anymore,you will only have a small allowance...as a foreigner,you'll also have to be better than any korean man academically and of course have a very good/stable job ,no singer or english teacher...if you can't ,then divorce will hit you hard...you'll lose your kids and never see them again also,korean in laws can be very annoying, the nagging mother in law who nag for anyhing at everything and quiet/grumpy father in law who will make you awkward by just saying one word that's just the tip of the iceberg because i didn't add any cultural difference yet😅 yes,i'm exagerating a little bit,not all koreans are like that but it's not far from the truth 😅 korean men are also facing the same things when marrying koreans and because it's their culture ,they have to be prepare even more...that's why sometimes it's easier to marry a foreigner girl

[@Buydaa.M]

​@@PersonbuxthGood Luck 😊

[@ponuni]

@@leeaznmode Damn Koreans do the whole house and money thing too like the Chinese?

[@Buydaa.M]

​@@Personbuxthlet her come to you then 😅 btw which European are you?

[@Buydaa.M]

@@ponuni both Confucian countries so that might be

[@bernardwilliams2942]

Seldom do I meet anyone who doesn’t want to have kids because they feel like it’s going to be uncool. Of course those people exist, but I think the main reason as to why individuals are not having kids is due to the cost of living. This isn’t just my opinion, if you look at studies, in majority of the developed countries where the cost of living have went up, the rate at which individuals have had children has started to decline. If you’re a young millennial or Gen Z, chances are you’ve grown up in a time where everything is expensive and because of this, you may have a different outlook than prior generations. Also, because the cost of living has gone up more and more, there is a high likelihood that individuals are coming from a family that had to struggle financially, and because of this, they may have a different perspective’ in which, if they are going to have children, they don’t want their child to struggle as much as they had to. Of course, there’s a lot of reasons as to why individuals aren’t having kids, but I feel like most of the time I never hear anyone talking about statistics and data, but rather what they feel has led to the problem, as opposed to what has actually led to the problem of us having a declining birth rate in developing countries. Also, add in the fact that both men and women are having declining fertility rates and the future is starting to look very grim. If the developed countries don’t start creating policies that will benefit individuals who have children, my personal belief is that by 2050 we’re going to get to the point where the declining birth rate will be irreversible if only relying on the traditional route. If the cost of living continues to go up, individuals feel like they don’t have a proper worklife balance, men and women continue to lose vital social skills due to our technological advancements or both men and women continue to become more infertile, then we will not be able to sustain the human race by continuing to go down the traditional route. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4255510/ www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/birth-rates-demographic-dividend-income-inequality/ www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8643527/ www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8977063/ www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9811250/

[@michellekelley5118]

What happened to love instead of treating each other like a business transaction

[@Kooljupiter]

wtf is this world we seem to live in!? this is not the word i was born in

[@tensaijuusan4653]

There is also a lot of pessimism about mankind's likelihood of annhilation through nuclear war or extermination due to global warming etc.

[@kengo7273]

2020 OECD Birth Rate (Births outside of marriage) USA 1.638 (total40.5%, black71%, native66%, hispanic53%, white29%, asian17%) Korea 0.837 (2.5%)

[@tomayoga]

Another factor is how people want to be thin...most parents tend to get a little fatter.

[@Lover-ji3je]

Yes. Women get so fat after motherhood. It ruins their body shape forever. They look older too.

[@33hunting]

South Korea could grow babies in artificial wombs and then the babies could grow up and raise by foster parents in foster homes or in orphanages. This would add more people in the Korean population. Is this a good idea ?🤔

[@henrytep8884]

No. If your society is relying on artificial womb to create orphans, then your society have become extremely extremely foolish and is on the past to self annihilating. This doesn’t fix any of the underlying issues and in fact creates the type of children with the worse outcomes which are kids in orphanage. I’m not saying kids in orphanage are evil, I’m saying the environment is in conducive to raising normal healthy children, and will not even be close to fixing the systemic problems of a society that relies on artificial wombs.

[@RedVelvetUnderground333]

Bladerunner

[@ResidualSelfImage]

Hey David Fung-- have you seen ex Kpop Crayon Pop singer idol Soyul? She got married and is the mom of Hee Yul. Hee Yul is nicknamed JamJam aka Jam2 and has her own KZbin channel... Crayon Pop singer Soyul had their second child BboBbo -a boy born Sept 7, 2022.

[@abcdrag]

We have to remember the Korean War started in 1950 and since then South Korea had one of the most dramatic changes in economy. One of the reasons Koreans don’t want children is because of the lack of money but we also know that people with more wealth don’t have children. I’d rule out money as a red herring and instead blame the dramatic rise in standard of living. Newer generations are living through one of the most prosperous times for Korea and with that comes a higher standard of living, lifestyle inflation, and better education. It’s not easy to have and take care of children. More and more people now understand from social media how difficult it is on your body and physical/mental health to have children. Not only that, people expect better child care services and daycares for their children which require more money. Also they were one of the more socially conservative countries so they had more traditional gender roles. Korea tends to have more stringent social rules as well and the older generation reminds the newer generation about them.

[@jeffreyw1640]

So are you saying those that are having kids, do it because it's cool?

[@raleighwooddriftwoodmanor]

From a woman's point of view: think about "hookup culture/ pub crawls" and whether you want to get hitched to that dude you didnt want the second date with? And there is your answer.

[@franklynj9]

How are you bro

[@MillkyWays]

I think is the educational system. It derives from this crazy standard. Education is all about. One salary is spend for children’s education. The pressure on children is so high . It is abnormal . I can understand why your are not willing to get kids . You only work to support the family, meaning the education for your kid .

[@Rawmel84]

I’m glad you guys pointed this problem out. People see overpopulation as a problem. But the United States and a lot of the richer Asian and European counties are below replacement rate. The way our economies operate is based on population growth and the younger generation supporting the older one through social security and general labor. In 30-50 years we will have way more older people than younger. Our system isn’t designed to be sustainable that way and that’s when the real suffering starts! Y’all need to start making babies. At least that part is fun 😅!

[@RedDevilStudio]

Won't be able to course correct in time. They'll need immigration and even then might not be enough

[@tony1960]

With resource been concentrated to the very few, twisted high standard expectation for both men and women, and toxic culture fueling the continuation of impossible life image for social validation. Inevitably, majority of the population has boiled to exhaustion, now it's the result of the process.

[@armorbearer9702]

(3:54) Wouldn't it hurt the K-pop star's image if she had a child?

[@devonforsure260]

I used to think 100k plus would be able to sustain a family if me and my spouse made roughly the same Now I can barely sustain myself out here Kids aren't even in the same conversation

[@devonforsure260]

@@P.90.603 that's how I feel. I don't make enough to feel like I'm living, but I can't quit because I make just enough to survive. Rings true for a lot of people in the 100k+ range

[@davidkuwanoe7809]

Hey, the US no longer has to stay to defend South Korea if there are no more South Koreans.

[@tandelta6843]

Can this happen in africa please? The fertility rate is 4+ per woman.

[@readyornot27]

It's already started there and only accelerates as women gain more education.

[@troublesome1101]

Selfishness: These sisters will cry later when they are older. Never heard someone said " I wish I worked more". Exchanging family for a fruitful carreer is losing 📉 bet on the long run. Extreme feminism is killing women and they'll realize it when they are older. When you are young you have friends and lovers. As you get older those circles will grow smaller. Family doesn't leave.

[@chyeannevojet7664]

Most women won't regret it, I think men are hoping and praying that women will instead of taking the initiative to be better men and raise better men for the future. It's just easier to blame women and guilt trip them into something. Womens lives aren't just marriage and kids and some men find that hard to believe

[@henrytep8884]

lol this dude forgot that single man fair the worst when not in a relationship. Yeah single Will suffer, single men will lose like 10 years of their life.

[@troublesome1101]

@henrytep8884 That's why Japan is literally disappearing as a society at this rate 🙄. Trading culture and society for material gains is not being selfish!? Time will tell of this generation regret their decision or not....

[@troublesome1101]

@chyeannevojet7664 Wow, raising better men!? And how would we raise better women 🤔!? Men marry down financially all the time, but women (most) can only marry up?! While making more money, most women have kept the same outlook for a potential partner (someone who's financially equal or in a better position than themselves). There's your discrepancy....

[@hailyrizzo5428]

@@chyeannevojet7664 you wanna expand on what exactly you mean by 'better men' instead of just slapping on a label and slapping an entire gender.

[@-amosc.presley-7192]

But, how could that be? Nicely, asked

[@mrzack888]

year of dragon gonna see a birth spike this year in China

[@Ray-iz7tv]

Not cool to be old with no kids.

[@doomsday4004]

its economy

[@Daphne828282]

ㅋㅋ having kids is so cool! some celebs have three or more kids but they don’t follow that.

[@theofficialpeterkim]

Economy, culture, and social media. Korea is the most connected country. Social media has made things worse there; it has put confuscucis culture on steroids where people care a lot about how others look at them.

[@Buydaa.M]

bottomline: selfishness

[@sjacks3281]

it's selfish to bring a child into the world knowing you can't provide for them

[@Buydaa.M]

@@sjacks3281 I know it is what my surroundings tell me, all the older generations, we should tell them a child isn't for "every adult", even adopting one

[@thetylife]

@@sjacks3281 True... I just saw a Mexican woman get life in prison for leaving her 16 month toddler at home while she went vacation. And of course she died . Absolutely senseless and heartbreaking ...Crazy!

[@jjsamuelgunn1136]

@@thetylifei know, man. i just commented on the same thing. the poor baby died of dehydration and starvation over the course of more than a week. it happened in cleveland.

[@thetylife]

@@jjsamuelgunn1136 Yeah..chances are she didn't make it pass 3 days. The monster could of just left her out on the streets..She would have a very good chance of surviving if a good samaritan sees her. Instead she was left to die slowly trapped at home. The poor thing didn't even know how to open the door or reach the door nob.

[@PulseX10N]

Does LA or Hollywood have a lower birthrate or marriage rate though?

[@maguire5302]

Michelle Yeoh doesn't have kids???!!! Oh no, what a waste of such good genes. 😢

[@KangOfTheNomadicConsortium]

Ain't that crazy Smdh!!! The genes of a woman like that are definitely truly wasted.

[@badass197]

That’s a bad Korean accent lol.

[@gildalynn7878]

He always does different accents and they all sound Indian to me lol

[@rogerdean3375]

I think it’s flipped now for millennials, it’s cool to have kids now

[@KangOfTheNomadicConsortium]

Better ask around...younger or older millennials?

[@paulleong2792]

I got married 15 years ago and was making $10per hour in NYC. AND I consider getting married is life time achievement, and you?

[@Lover-ji3je]

I got married 15 years ago as well. We chose no Children. Offered two occasions of adoption and we declined. We love our wealth and enjoy very comfortable lives. Our future is secured. We can afford servants in senior age. We see family with children and have no envy. Truly so.

[@TheFlagUnit]

Just let the AI take over. They will do better.

[@KangOfTheNomadicConsortium]

There's a study/research about how A.I. said it's one threat TO IT existing. Do you know what that was......FEM!N!SM. No bull. Don't believe me. Do the research. They asked it a threat to IT'S survival long term and it stated FEM!N!SM could destroy the world faster than it could. That let's you know what this whole thing is about: Population growth/decline effecting all things on the planet. No people. No way for the society to move or function as it once was without accelerating the USE of a new technology: A.I. which has to keep pace with everything that is no longer done by a human.

[@samlosophy5894]

Yo

[@obiekat53]

I think Andrew is on the right track, since "celebrities" often dictate trends in society, all you have to do is look at South Korean actors and singers who keep their private life very private and rarely discuss their relationship status, mostly because Korean Netizens are so toxic.

[@pinkypilot]

Selfishness is the primary reason. Also, with the world today, why bring in a beautiful, innocent being to be subjected to all the toxicity.

[@Buydaa.M]

latter to be number 1 reason

[@troublesome1101]

They can make the world better 😌 a number of people where born under unfavorable conditions and they've worked to change it for the better.

[@Jaejoongwife08]

I don't think it they just want to be cool. I remember reading that over 60% cheat. If I knew it was 60% where I live I wouldn't have kids knowing am going to get cheat on.

[@panigALI1199s]

Kpop femboys

[@JiggerjoggernoHGer]

Omgggggg theirs this cute Korean chick I went to HS with and I never got any of her socials…… she was perfect barely 5’1” soooo short, and I’m tall asf so we would’ve looked so cute together 😩😩

[@CatsAreBetterThanDogss]

“Just dropped” for the past 10 years 😂

[@JasonK.-cy2tl]

One problem is PORN. Porn is a disaster on many levels.

[@likhwezititus]

it's illegal there

[@Lover-ji3je]

Porn industry solved rape crimes. Be grateful.

[@l8nitechiq]

Could there be a correlation between how much alcohol they consume and infertility rate? I'd be interested to see some stats around that.

[@cjaneburr3740]

Having kids is the coolest thing you can do

[@Lover-ji3je]

Hell No. I’d rather enjoy my wealth with a partner. DINK

[@sunen7129]

They have a 4b movement in china. They call it 6b4t. In Japan it's the opposite. they have herbivore men

[@KangOfTheNomadicConsortium]

There's a reason why it's backwards some places.

[@WanglembaElangbam-xj7yl]

Being a single woman is cool only when you are in your mid to late 20s once you reach mid 30s you are no longer hot! It doesn't matter whether you wear branded clothes from head to Toe nobody will pay any attention to you. Then old age will creep up and you will have less and less friends as time goes on and finally will end up in public old age centre with no visitors cause you dont have a baby. You wont even have a husband to give you company. To me that's a sad existence. Woman needs to realise that just like flowers they will enjoy spring but will also grow old and unwanted. That's why people have family, to give each other companies cause we are social animal. We can't live alone forever

[@xuanyu6229]

The Korean mathematician is not wrong, basically women are the reason, why man wanna be cool? Why economic is an issue? To impress women of course who else men wanna be cool for who else men wanna show their property and status for