KORG Wavestate vs Modwave SOUND comparison

[@ThevonMusic]

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[@joshua42777]

This helps me a lot thank you!

[@Jesoteric]

Okay this has helped me make up my mind, it’s the wavestate for me

[@Marco-ek8wu]

They should have just combined the two as one unit. Makes it a difficult choice if you’re only looking to buy one synth.

[@joonglegamer9898]

They could have if they wished, they both use exactly the same hardware, the Raspberry Pi-3 module. But it's a double edged sword, on one hand they could easily do this with a simple software update, but on the other hand both synths would have more menues, more shift-functions as the button layout would not be the same, and thus all of a sudden become much more complex for the average user to learn. And not only that, if you get the users to buy the same hardware twice - double the profit :)

[@TheRealG2024]

Yeah. I kinda thought the same thing.

[@TheRealG2024]

Yeah i agree

[@ryanperrault8174]

@@joonglegamer9898 The better option is if these were about $100 less each than what they are, which would make owning both of them a bit more affordable. They both seem to do certain things well, but I'm not hardcore one way or another about either one. They both seem really interesting to use though.

[@Dr-Stu]

@@ryanperrault8174 WHAT!? Cheaper!? What age are you? Do you realise the age we're living in? The synths available to us for the prices they're at is astonishing compared to what they used to be and I'm not even that old. When the the wavestates older more limited cousin (the wavestation)launched it was $2,000 and that was 32 years ago ($5,000 in today's money when adjusted for inflation). Even my 1st synth in 2004, and at the risk of sounding like a "back in my day..." boomer, was a relatively limited 4 voice VA korg MS2000b and even with 30%(20 for ex-display, 10 cus my bro knew the guy) it was still €750(at the time around $920). Being able to get both of these for under $1,100 is an unbelievable amount of synth for the money, particularly with what the wavestate can do, and not only that the amount of options you have from different manufacturers sub $700 is insane, be grateful is my point. Sorry for the essay.

[@gnosis6073]

Wavestate user here, love the modwave too but no regrets I think I made the better long term choice.

[@brunodadivore9606]

Hi. Why your comment, please? Do you think the Wavestate more evolutive in time ? Thanks

[@cyrillusventus1]

@@brunodadivore9606 it s not at all modwave has no limit also...., cos he has and other who have modwave will tell same lol, modwave is wavetable it s not same instrument like op6 is fm .... after all of 3 are nice, people choose what they like.

[@djdarksidejungle559]

@@cyrillusventus1 ive had both and wavestate is a far superior synth

[@RobertAWolf]

It was a difficult decision for me, but I choose the Wavestate MKII, it seemed more evolved on a sonic level, but I'm hoping to get the Modwave MKII sometime in the future.

[@rayderrich]

Thanks, now I want them both ;-)

[@ThevonMusic]

Good choice! ;-)

[@raven-jz6cv]

Wavestate evolving pads sweet sounding legend. Modwave industrial modulation darker madness. It could easily be dracula's synth of choice when he goes down the music production island

[@ThevonMusic]

That's a pretty good description!

[@cyrillusventus1]

i played some music to a thai friend she told me oh shit your music is scary stop it like horror movie ahhahah, yep dracula one you are right XD

[@lukehunnable]

Can’t wait for Dracula to finally drop and album!

[@Thusila234]

That makes it sound tempting hehe

[@303machine]

Pads are where Wavestate shine in, including four layers of possible varioations, although maybe because of wavetable synthesis Modwave sounds punchier while Wavestate softer.

[@jhdrummer4815]

I own the Wavestate which I love, but I considered to buy the Modwave many times and always I end up with some doubts. This video and most comment here are just convincing me once again that I really don't like the overall tone from the Modwave.

[@TheRealG2024]

Interesting

[@alainthiry5879]

@@TheRealG2024 ah?

[@QuantizStudioRecords]

But this gear is for sound creators and designers....You can generate brand new tones. Almost infinite posibilities. Otherwise buy an Modx...Fantom...

[@khajub]

Thanks for the video I am confused to go for both as keyboard or module Like to play them live and like to have them on studio ??!! Any advice??!

[@QuantizStudioRecords]

I have modules....connected with Juno-X (aftertouch).

[@TheRealG2024]

I actually bought the wavestate BEFORE the modwave was released. Hearing this side by side comparison , i think the modwave is powerful in its own right but there is just this extra dimension to the wavestate to my ears. It was a toss up. Between the wavestate and the op six when i was deciding. Again, the wavestate is on another level imo although i may pick up the opsix too because it does behave a little and o found the sounds to be warmer just out of the box without any tweaking and quicker to navigate but at the end of the day, the wavestate has so much going on. I think its much deeper than many even realize .

[@autom0rph_2024]

I bought the Wavestate (v1.0) a few months ago. And I looooove it. But ...... I will buy the Modwave mkII too at the next occasion.

[@RorertoLombardo]

I got one in Feb 2023 about 15 months ago, it’s ok but lacks some thickness. Also to small to play with two hands for piano parts or funky two handed playing. For the price it’s hard to beat.

[@spacemanonearth]

Modwave lead was a horrid choice personally, but think the Modwave performed better with presets or patches used. Both are priced about the same but as I already have a Korg Wavestation EX perhaps a Modwave would be better. Actually am looking at a Moog synth now with a nice flight case. Later and thanks!

[@ThevonMusic]

Moogs are awesome too, enjoy!

[@RafauCpk]

and which is better to start with for someone who is not a professional ? Everyone recommends wavestate, but in my country it is not available at all (poland) On already I can buy modwave or wait a year or more for wavestate until maybe it appears in stores....

[@ThevonMusic]

pro or not, the learning curve is really not that hard. just go through the whole manual to figure out how it works.

[@liantrosretrospectiva4134]

all I want is the same kind of sample import but in the Modwave. I´d love to combine acoustic samples in one oscillator with wavetables in the other

[@ThevonMusic]

The sample import is also available on the Modwave. The main difference is that you can also import wavetables. Besides that sample import is the same as the Wavestate.

[@liantrosretrospectiva4134]

@@ThevonMusic wow! you are right! I just checked it and it works just like the Wavestate one, with multi-samples and 4 Gb of sample storage! thanks for the info, now I´m sure this is the one for me!

[@Jhihmoac]

I would think if you ever had hands-on experience with the old Wavestation, get the Wavestate... If you're more acquainted with how the Kaossilator worked, you might prefer the Modwave... Now, if you have some extra money to burn, get a D-Series 88 weighted key digital piano/controller and _both_ the Wavestate and Modwave! That all would certainly keep you going, and probably _all_ you'd ever need!

[@DelScully]

if they released module versions of the modwave, wavestate, and opsix I would most definitely buy both. I have the wavestate and absolutely love it though. If only there was a rack unit type thing that could combine all 3 of them together.

[@Techno_rebels]

That day has arrived 😎

[@mariorossi303]

When? Why? Where?

[@mariorossi303]

When? Why? Where?

[@Techno_rebels]

@@mariorossi303 Namm Show, go check the OP6, Wavestate & Modwave modules 🔥

[@mariorossi303]

@@Techno_rebels ithought all 3 in 1 keyboard. Thanks for answer.

[@RancelHdez]

I like both....wich one it will be great for techno style? Dub and bass sounds ..,😁

[@ThevonMusic]

Wavetable synthesis is what you need, so the Modwave

[@RancelHdez]

@@ThevonMusic thanks a lot

[@lukehunnable]

I have a monologue xd. I honestly feel it’s analogue sound is much nicer than these digital synths, even though the sound is obviously thinner/smaller. However, it’s more “real” and alive to me. For digital stuff, why bother with hardware when there are so many great vst’s you can controlo with midi keyboards? I don’t really get it…

[@biggrime]

I had a og minilogue. I traded it for a Roland JX8P. I already had the wavestate hardware. I'm here to tell you the minilogue offers nothing over the wavestate. I really liked the minilogue don't get me wrong but do not sleep on the wavestate

[@TommyNewton-jq9sf]

Cuz some ppl don’t like to be behind a computer screen or think music should solely be created via a computer .. I guess .

[@kierenmoore3236]

I had the impression the Wavestate was more about ‘rhythmically evolving’ pads/presets, but I only really heard that here with the “plucked” preset … In this video, it sounds to me like they are far more similar than I thought … ? I thought they were meant to be ‘rhythmically evolving’ presets (Wavestate), versus ‘crunchy/mangled wavetables’ sounds from the Modwave? 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️

[@ThevonMusic]

The biggest difference is that the Wavestate can actually play different samples after eachother, while the Modwave can play samples (but not different samples after eachother) + Wavetables that you can tweak and do all sorts of fancy stuff with sequencer wise. So imagine for example that with the Wavestate you can do random samples of let's say choir and do cool stuff with it, that's something you can't do with the Modwave, unfortunately.

[@hischuzzness551]

Hmmm on the whole I prefered the Wavestate .... Thanks Thevon 👍

[@ThevonMusic]

My pleasure!

[@KooriGraywolf]

I've seen various other Wavestate vs Modwave videos, and this one almost looks like it was set up to make the Modwave sound bad compared to the Wavestate. Modwave is capable of so much more and so much better than what is shown here.

[@ThevonMusic]

This video is not set up to make the Modwave sound bad... The biggest difference between both is the number of layers + the fact that you have a sample lane on the wavestate which plays different samples after eachother, which is a HUGE difference. The Modwave is a totally different beast with its wavetables. I like both and probably worked even more with the Modwave so far. Feel free to create a video to show what's missing in my video.

[@Getthenderson]

Most people here seem to favour the Wavestate over the modwave. For what it's worth I have a Wavestate and a hydrasynth (a different more advanced wavetable synth) and I am thinking of selling to buy the modwave. I bought the Wavestate before it was out and while it is awesome and potentially more powerful the complexity of it usually means I don't use it near it's full potential, I prefer several features of the modwave and the more immediate sound sculpting abilities.

[@ErraticFaith]

Binned them all for Hydra Deluxe. 3 octaves and a childlike build. Wasn't a difficult choice. Just run the KORG software with Hydra as a controller. PolyAT vs whatever KORG call these laughable key beds. Not much choice in any area.

[@rickhopkinson]

I’m currently wondering which to get between these two lovely machines... I’ve recently got a Minilogue XD which is ace... so a few weeks of research should help me decide... both of these have the same library of multi samples don’t they?

[@kurtklingklang5918]

The Wavestate and Modwave do have the same core samples. The MW additionally has wavetables to use as building blocks. They really are different machines though. I have both and if I had to pick one, I’d probably keep the Wavestate; as it is possibly more versatile.

[@ThevonMusic]

I recently made a comparison of both of these which might help you choose the right one for your needs kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5-VpXaCmbKsaJY The biggest difference is that the Wavestate has 4 layers and the ability to change its samples every step while the Modwave has 2 layers, but actually the ability to use 2 oscillators per layer. That means 4 oscillators to manipulate/morph etc on a step basis. I see the Wavestate as most advanced in using the (multi)samples while the Modwave is focussed on modding/morphing oscillators, but also in combination with the (multi)samples. Both units can do great stuff and by owning both I can tell you I can't choose which one I like the most tbh...

[@rickhopkinson]

@@kurtklingklang5918 Ok thank you for the advice :-)

[@rickhopkinson]

@@kurtklingklang5918 Can user samples be imported to the Modwave as well as they can on Wavestate?

[@kurtklingklang5918]

@@rickhopkinson yes they can. Also wavetables.

[@MusicWizard85]

I think the following are all great and slept on in terms of bang for your buck: Korg Wavestate Korg OpSix AMS Hydrasynth TE OP-1 Akai Force

[@United-Bengals]

Please please upload the part 2 , 3 , 4 and so on!!!👌👌👌👍👍👍

[@geoffk777]

The ModWave was consistently punchier, more interesting and more useful, which matches with my own experience. The WaveState sounds great, but it can be somewhat generic, whereas, the ModWave is more distinctive.

[@symbiat0]

As you would expect, the ModWave simply has more interesting modulation possibilities 😉

[@MrTrilob]

Wavestate really dont sound generic, instant soundtrack machine

[@MrTrilob]

@@symbiat0 it has to, its wavetable. Without exessive modulation capablility any wavetable synth would sound very boring

[@geoffk777]

@@MrTrilob Applying the motion sequencing can produce some great sounds. But a lot of the unsequenced tones are not so interesting in themselves. IMHO anyway.

[@stevekirkby6570]

You need both. Ideally in one box, but that's not going to happen. I have the modwave and love it. I will get a new modwave (mk2) when the hype is over and the price falls. A bit.

[@ThevonMusic]

I'm currently looking at the new mk2 and se versions of all these synths and while more voice polyphony is always welcome and a few more octaves in keys, look at those price tags... I really don't get it, way more expensive.

[@dissidentechoes3752]

A lot of the sounds chosen here are things that the Wavestate excels at. The Wavestate and Modwave are designed to do different things. You're not going to find a great comparison on the Modwave for a lot of these. It would be better and more fair to do a a few minutes jamming on each instrument and showing off each one's particular strengths.

[@ThevonMusic]

I remember I made this video quite spontaneously but I do have to say I actually agree with you. This is mainly because the stock performances on the Modwave aren't great compared to the ones found on the Wavestate. Also less stock performances than the Wavestate. The whole wavetable synthesis and also uploading your own wavetables on the Modwave is such a fun feature that shouldn't be underestimated.

[@cemgulpunk]

Cleaner, deeper, dimensional. Wavestate.

[@PRODUCEDBYLILDOUG]

Wavestate sounds happy & cheerful. Modwave is gritter, darker, moodier.

[@MarkWagner33]

Almost every sound is better on the wavestate.... What exactly is the point of the Modwave?

[@joonglegamer9898]

Their hardware is the same afaik. It's a raspberry PI 3 module so technically you could have it all if the program space allowed for it, the only difference is the software and the button layout. The point of the Modwave is that you have more sound editing capabilities. You can use 2 oscillators with a waveform of your choice to blend and shape your new created waveform blend. This gives you more sound variations, but at the cost of polyphony as the modwave have 32 whereas the wavestate has 64. It all comes down to personal preference and need - they both have their place.

[@nivac5227]

Wave sequencing VS Wavetables. Wavestate allows more variations along time while Modwave in the oscillators like a traditional analog synth.

[@vladikuz]

@@nivac5227 imho, in this video, Modwave sounding more "digitalish". Wavestate is more softy, clean...

[@nivac5227]

@@vladikuz I also have that appreciation about sound, but both synths are completely digital, even share multisamples, filters and effects. Modwave is based on DW8000, which has wavetables but analog filters. Maybe an interesting comparison would be to listen the same multisample in both synths instead of factory presets. I don't think there'd be too much difference.

[@gravyguns]

The modwave is geared towards sound designers who mainly want to create sounds from scratch. Therefore, Korg didn't emphasize any importance in making great presets in the modwave. The wavestate, on the other hand, is for preset junkies who have no idea how to use a synth to carve out and mold any type of synth sound one desires. There's only one KZbinr I witnessed who possesses the sound design ability to make the modwave sound not harsh but as creamy as the samples of the wavestate.

[@cloud0funknowings]

Could i please get the link or name of the channel of this? Thank you.

[@Questerry895]

what a juvenile response. Is it that important for you to feel superior? To access the best features of the Wavestate, it takes a lot of programming and understanding, and yes, a lot of people do, It is as far from a 'preset machine' as you can get. When you leave them behind, you are on your own. Fortunately if you are motivated, there is a lot of unexplored territory for sound design. The presets are meant to be instructive but just because you can play one finger compositions doesn't mean you have to. As usual, it comes down to vision, experience, and talent. No instrument can supply that for you. But to finish, yes, the Wavestate is also for "sound designers who mainly want to create sounds from scratch". There are more things in heaven and Earth than are in your philosophy...

[@gravyguns]

@@cloud0funknowings The KZbinr's name is LFOSTORE. He's a great sound designer unlike these preset junkies who have no clue about sound design. The only thing preset junkies know how to do with synths is scrolling for hours through factory presets and complaining about how bad a synth sounds based on its factory presets. Not knowing that it's up to the sound designer to make the synth sound as good as he or she wants it to. Stay away from preset junkies!

[@TheRealG2024]

@@Questerry895 well said. I have a wavestate . every thing you said

[@Questerry895]

@@TheRealG2024 I love mine like no other synth I've had, including a Wavestation EX.

[@johnbeckett8367]

They should have 5 octaves

[@djdarksidejungle559]

There is no comparison one sucks one doesn't I had modwzve and sent it back just load of rubbish the wavestate rocks the party modwave doesn't and motion sequencing wats the point to it

[@lukehunnable]

Aren’t you exaggerating a little? Did you really get nothing out of the modwave?

[@djdarksidejungle559]

@@lukehunnable not really no im a sample based digital man and the wavestate does everything i ever wanted a synth to do its a bit like going on pull down nantwich the wavestate

[@djdarksidejungle559]

@@lukehunnable wavetable analogy type products are no loner on my radar o just like hard rave sample based press a key party time synths

[@lukehunnable]

@@djdarksidejungle559 have you tried the opsix?

[@djdarksidejungle559]

@@lukehunnable I didn't get motion sequencing and fir wat it does its shit to be frank

[@duster43]

ill take modwave you keep the wavestate 😆

[@ThevonMusic]

i'll keep both :p

[@ArtinRu]

MW

[@BendApparatus]

Cheap plastic ugly junk... I want all 3...

[@captainblood9616]

OK I LOLed at that one 😄