KPOP 4TH GEN FEMALE VOCALISTS VOCAL RANKING + ANALYSIS

[@k-idols3763]

Please understand that I didn't include every female vocalist. Correction: Lily is NMIXX's strongest vocalist, it was a typo

[@KeepUpBiatress]

Oh thank God I got scared

[@ironvocal2311]

Hello ☺️ Do you know anything about Pixy Sua? Sometimes Sua is the cleanest amongst the members. Also can you analyze your performance☺️ kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIXNh6SHf5KgmJY

[@own-cl6632]

@@KeepUpBiatress HELP SAME

[@alviandwiramadhan421]

Do you have ig?? Can i ask about my supported range?

[@k-idols3763]

@@alviandwiramadhan421 can u send the link here on ytb?

[@akukuayam9019]

I really like Haewon. She be moving from B4/C5 to C5/C#5. Idk if she's technically main vocalist along with Lily or just a lead vocal with Sullyoon, and Kyujin. Some people on Twitter keep saying that Lily is the only main vocalist Also i find that Karina and Giselle are very interchangeable

[@k-idols3763]

As far as I know Nmixx doesn't have "main" or "lead" positions but I definitely think she should be the main vocalist along with lily

[@akukuayam9019]

@@k-idols3763 Agree. That was just me lurking on Twitter though 😅

[@keimohnimcneill]

@K-IDOLs I agree Haewon should definitely be main vocal along with lily👍

[@임래빈]

@@keimohnimcneill haewon is main vocal tho

[@keimohnimcneill]

Umm they don't have fixed positions So we don't really know yet But she still should be main vocal along with lily🙂

[@aldrenenenenen_4089]

The fact that the supported range Lily has is very rare for 4th gen vocalists, in spite of the amount of groups being debuted this period, unfortunately shows how vocal and vocal training is becoming less and less prioritized for companies and the entertainment industry. I mean look at how heavily processed vocals are in supposedly vocal-focused shows such as produce and Masked Singer.

[@culturedswine4003]

I don’t agree with your first sentence. Even in 3rd gen, none of the main vocalists support D5/Eb5 except for yuji and she’s also the strongest female main vocalist of her generation like Lily.

[@aldrenenenenen_4089]

@@culturedswine4003 well, wendy can support to a D while solar and wheein can do up to C#. Wheein, despite being light lyric, can project properly into the third octave, G iirc, so can Solar. Also, your point just adds evidence to my first statement, that vocal technique is becoming less and less given importance. Most main vocalists today are just made so for the fact that they can hit an F or a G, regardless of technique. Which is also why most vocalists today, when belting, sound almost without any distinction.

[@culturedswine4003]

@@aldrenenenenen_4089 Haewon also has many D5’s and Ning Ning, Yechan and Monday also have a couple of C#5’s. Ning Ning also can sing D3 (in studio) with tonality and Monday can project F3. You can’t just look at particular notes but the vocalist as a whole. I don’t disagree that vocals are getting weaker and weaker in 4th Gen, but that decline was already happening in 3rd Gen. Also, the gap between 3rd Gen and 4th Gen is noticeable, but I kinda feel like you’re making it seem bigger than it it’s but cmiiw.

[@eloole3270]

@@culturedswine4003 yes many 3rd gen vocalist can't support as lily but overall 3rd gen is better than 4th gen when it comes to vacal like many 4th gen gg is lacking in vocal even the main vocal of many 4th gen is weaker than the lead vocalist of 3rd gen and many 3rd gen vocalist groups and soloist are proficient so 3rd gen is better than this current generation (excuse my grammar)

[@muhamadfarid427]

@@culturedswine4003 strongest? *One of the strongest. There are Solar, Wendy, Uji, Dia, Shannon, Ailee.

[@johnroebetvista1992]

I think ningning's well-projected lower register and her clean and precise vocal agility saved her from earning one of the top main vocalists of this generation... Even though there are a "few" 4th gen main vocalists that may outrank her in terms of belting and upper-register, I think there's only a few (or none) vocalists who can come close to her lower register and vocal agility and she's most likely the best in these among her peers...

[@multistanarchive6076]

I was really shocked cause Kyujin is a rapper and a dancer. I knew it she really does sound good and I like her vocals too

[@Taeyeon89]

@@greeng6914 No one in twice or Itzy really improved though. Not notable improvement at least. Yeji didn’t improve either . People just noticed that she’s not completely terrible up to G#4

[@Tyyry.tut678]

@@Taeyeon89 yeji supported vocals now

[@nes9895]

@@Taeyeon89 literally what are you talking about twice debuting with only 3 members being able to support and they're up to 5 with mina and chaeyoung almost 6 with tzuyu being very close to supporting as well.

[@choerryknif3191]

@@Taeyeon89 how? before only the 3mix were able to support, now both chaeyoung and mina are weak tier and tzuyu showed recently some supported notes

[@d.n.n2267]

I think for Giselle and karina(+) there's no need for the third or fourth because they both have something to fight karina with her Agility and Vibrato + Lows a bit better than Giselle, and Giselle is always clean in her voice and a bit of an issue, but karina has a lot of belting and for her lvl karina mix belting she has entered a neat one! but I agree Giselle relaxes a bit while singing makes the support very clean sometimes!

[@k-idols3763]

They're isn't that much difference between, it's just that Giselle can stay clean and relaxed with not too many with Bb4 and B4 but they're interchangeable tbh.

[@Sardam30]

do you have ig or another sosmed? can i ask about my supported range?

[@Unknownandbyes]

1st gen - Bada 2nd gen - Taeyeon 3rd gen - Wendy 4th gen - Lily ( the arguments are still ongoing but lily is easily holding the top position, girl was born to be in top, hard work paid off)

[@boppop717]

@Randomnayul is definitely 1st in vocal since she's part of 4th gen then it's lily in general

[@imgonnabeastar9630]

1st gen- Young hyun? 2nd gen- Haeri? 3rd gen- Ailee 4th gen- Nayul

[@selenesaint]

she’s gonna surpss wendy in 4 years time

[@Lafilledlapluie]

True!

[@Red-dm7qn]

Hyolyn and Luna are better vocalists than Taeyeon lol

[@oceanid4923]

lily is seriously very strong in the 5th octave it’s so impressive

[@Dimyixx]

Indeed. But her 4th octave need some working even Haewon is fuller in that area. That's the reason why Lily isn't in AA-P yet

[@simp4matt587]

I wouldn't be surprised if lily can support E5 bcuz her some of her covers with E5 note is full and open. She once. Supported a E5 in bangbang cover but it's too short

[@k-idols3763]

Yeah I included that bang bang cover in the video, its the part where she sang "wait" that was a supported E5.

[@simp4matt587]

@@k-idols3763 even in her maktub cover in the last part Her E5 there is kinda supported but it's pushed

[@k-idols3763]

@@simp4matt587 I wouldn't really say it was supported it was rather well placed than supported.

[@boppop717]

@@k-idols3763 I think it's safe to put Eb5/E5 in her mix now

[@k-idols3763]

@@boppop717 no not all, she only supported like one E5 or maybe two E5s that's all.

[@hwangkito]

here’s the ranking : 22-haseul (loona) 21-yuqi (g-idle) 20-juhyeon (lightsum) 19-chaewon (le sserafim) 18-bora (cherry bullet) 17-liz (ive) 16-chuu (loona) 15-miyeon (g-idle) 14-haeyoon (cherry bullet) 13-sullyoon (nmixx) 12-kyujin (nmixx) 11-karina (æspa) 10-giselle (æspa) 9-yves (loona) 8-chaehyun (kep1er) 7-nayoung (lightsum) 6-yunjin (le sserafim) 5-winter (æspa) 4-monday (weeekly) 3-ningning (æspa) 2-haewon (nmixx) 1-lily (nmixx)

[@tangerindream]

so much unpolished talent in 4th gen kpop! I really love gidle and loona members' voices. It's such a shame their sense of support is generally so shallow/underdevelopped, especially for someone like haseul who seems to have all the ingredients to be much more technically advanced than she is right now. I'm not sure I agree with every note you labeled to be supported here but overall this is a very solid job. great video! it's nice to see that the online kpop vocal community is still somewhat active. I hadn't watched this kind of videos about kpop in a hot minute lol.

[@fangirlmode8705]

Blame Soyeon for IDLE's vocals because she prohibited them from taking vocal lessons. She thought that it would ruin their vocal color. Like bruhhh Vocal lessons would help them to sing many genres.

[@rheynotryan]

@@fangirlmode8705 wait is this real 🧍‍♀

[@rheynotryan]

omg wait it is 💀💀

[@fangirlmode8705]

@@rheynotryan it's just sad. Isn't it?

[@rheynotryan]

@@fangirlmode8705 yea, i get why she would want the members to have individuality but at the expense of their vocal cords' health? big no

[@divaqueening1940]

Ningning had G5(HV) at best, she has shown that predebut. Ningning rarely shows her head register but I dont think shes inconsistent to it

[@k-idols3763]

i meant that she rarely shows her head voice and she lacks materials from her head voice.

[@BOSS-nz2hw]

@@k-idols3763 The thing is we aren't seen much about Ning's vocals as much as we do to just debuted Nmixx' Haewon and Lily.

[@임래빈]

Nmixx 4thgen Vocal Group🔥

[@IÑIAECUADOR]

YEEESSS ❤️

[@xoenthusiast6477]

I feel like Ningning doesn't have that chance to showcase her strongest vocals. SM is making them a mysterious group (like EXO and RV) unlike in JYP who can do live with their fans and cover songs. SM is really bad at giving their Idols freedom.

[@Kaoqws]

Yeah, we have to wait every few months for a new comeback to see their improvement, at best is the fan calls though.

[@Moonwalkmj]

yes ! same for nct, at first I wouldn't think their vocals were THAT good (same rv and exo)

[@vampiregaming9820]

They're locked at SM dungeon before their comeback

[@jang2386]

Weird aah kwangya lore

[@superstar-su7fg]

Yup so right ... jyp provides his artists with whatever they could ask for ...

[@Alexnuna0199]

I think it's le sserafim Yunjin for me....after watching her guesting at Lee mujin show I didn't think her voice is that high her low voice is really amazing also. She effortlessly reach that high notes also, she sings clearly also the clarity of her voice🔥 I can see she still didn't show us her 100% vocal range

[@randomlyhere111]

Lily the official vocal queen of 4th generation 🔥😍

[@katybreen2939]

Nayul outdid xx

[@nerdgurl402]

Lily undisputed!

[@minhive6364]

@@katybreen2939 I thought she wasnt active in kpop anymore?

[@muhamadfarid427]

@@minhive6364 she is

[@นาบงงี่ตะไว้]

No!!!Vocalist ranking 1 Giselle 2 Wintor 3Ningning 4 Karina 5. IU 6. Kim yuna 7 Aily 8 Sehong 9 Dahyeon 10 Monday weekly

[@harvestcutie.3345]

I feel like Karina and Giselle are pretty similar bit I feel like Karina is a bit better. I always that Kyujin was a better vocalist than Sullyoon I'm happy to see someone who agrees with me! :) the video was really well made! Also I love the Monday of Weeekly appreciation! I love her voice and I don't see lots of hype for her!

[@babykoala3413]

yup kyujin is 3th best vocalist in NMIXX after lily and haewon, her tier better than jinni and sullyoon

[@babykoala3413]

but i thought jinni slightly better than sullyoon tho, she is more powerful than her?

[@daisyr8490]

@@babykoala3413 she isn’t Sullyoon is the 4th best

[@ryanlee3514]

After listening to their KISS cover, i agree that Kyujin is their 3rd strongest.. PS. I see potentian in Kyujin's pre-debut back then (Lonely cover).

[@KittyTsundere]

Great work! However, I would personally disagree with saying that the girls in the W and W-A who can support down at least G#3/A3 have well-developed lower registers if they lack fullness in their lower registers or can get shallow down there a good amount of the time (which I am seeing with some of them esp Yuqi and Liz). Decently developed, sure, but not exactly well-developed. I know they're (lyric) sopranos, so I don't have that much expectations for their lows, but they're far from what I can say well-developed tbh. Development, at least to me, isn't just how low (or how high) you can support, but also the quality of these notes delivered as well (like if they're solid or full) and the consistency as well. For instance, compare many of these girls to MAMAMOO Solar who can support down to G#3/A3 as well but with nice fullness and you can see a glaring difference in development between her and these girls. Monday seems to have a nicely developed lower register though based on that F3 she produced at 11:37. 0:57 Am I hearing throatiness there at the F#4 and after? I didn't really like the F#4 and the ones following after that in that moment (sounded throaty to me ngl) lol. The moment after that was slightly nicer ig lol. -Also, ofc, Yuqi does not sound like a mezzo at all, let alone that low of a soprano tbh lol. Her chesty approach (when she's not too throaty from what I can hear like at that time stamp) kind-of reminds me of Seungmin's approach (except I believe Seungmin is stronger and more consistent lol) and Seungmin is a (light) lyric tenor afaik lol. 2:08 Okay, glad someone agrees with my initial opinion that Bora should be in the weak tier (I personally think she's too shallow to be anywhere in W-A lmao). Personally, I do think fromis_9 Gyuri is better than her; I mean sure, both of them are shallow and weak in support, but I would argue Gyuri more for the W-A tier than I would for Bora based on what I've seen so far from what I can hear from the two of them lol (I don't fan-follow fromis_9 or Cherry Bullet btw so maybe I could be wrong lol). Thanks for the confirmation bias btw lol. 2:47 Didn't expect her to get G#3 and actually thought she has Bb4 (like A4/Bb4) in her S.R. ngl (though still not the best G#3 I've heard from anyone tbh). I know there has been talk about moving her above (or below) where she is at, but I would personally keep her as it is lol. 3:39 I'm not sure if it's the view angle, but isn't her jaw a being brought bit too forward and awkward in position (instead of dropping her jaw completely downwards, it seems like she's protruding it forwardly from what I can see from the certain angle)? Not sure if I should call it jaw tension absolutely or if I'm seeing it from a wrong angle, but someone pls confirm for me this (also at 3:42 too) lmao. 6:04 yep, Giselle > Karina for me too. 10:26 I personally don't mind if you give a supported range in her head voice (that F#5 was pretty nice tbh), but to be safe, I would wait for more materials before actually giving her one tbh just to be sure it's not spontaneous or anything. Also, great to know that she completely avoids the HYBE "breathy" house style lol. 11:37 That's a really nice F3. If there is anyone in this video who I can say has a well-developed lower register, she's definitely one of them (if not the "one"). Hopefully she produces some nice more F3's lol. 12:35 if there was more chest engagement in her mix, I would boot her up to AA tbh lol. She just needs the chest engagement lmao. 15:37 did you mean "strongest vocalist in NMIXX" (I think you made a typo lol)? Also, what do these kids mean that she "screams" when she actually shows healthy projection and good support unlike some of their faves (I personally know idol vocalists who sound they scream a good amount of the time (many of them are male idols which should be quite telling lol), and they don't get the sh*t that Lily gets lmao...actually some of them are ranked among the top in their groups for that because they sound "powerful" lmao)... 🥴 Maybe I'm wrong with some of these thoughts (since I'm personally learning and even creating projects based on this knowledge as well lol), but it would be nice if someone can confirm at least one of them lol.

[@k-idols3763]

Thank you. Thank you for correcting the typo, lily is the strongest vocalist. About Liz, her lows sound fine to me yes shallow ofc. About yuqi, I agree she has problems with throatiness, that G4 sounded quite throaty but it was supported tho. About Yunjin, I wasn't sure if I would put a supported range for her head voice, but if we get more materials from her head voice then she might get supported range for her head voice.

[@Sardam30]

do you have ig or another sosmed? can i ask about my supported range?

[@UrMumi]

nmixx is probably the most vocally strong group in 4th gen kpop

[@emiuwu1458]

Purple kiss is soooo underrated Swan has one of the most unique and enjoyable voices also Goeun is really talented 😢

[@liamseravali2291]

Swan sings in cursive every time that’s not very pleasant to hear honestly

[@emiuwu1458]

Cursive 😂but I personally like it so it’s very subjective. But she’s definitely better than some vocalists in this list

[@melekbasri1575]

Explain it the same way they did in the video XD It's so easy to say: this idol is better, but explain it, give examples XD

[@emiuwu1458]

@@melekbasri1575 Well you don’t have to be expert to notice what is obvious 😌

[@melekbasri1575]

@@emiuwu1458 It's obvious they are good, but to say they are better than another person, you need to explain it

[@ayumii.i]

Finally Liz is consider!!💗💗

[@nami_nami8154]

Chaehyun has the sweetest and unique vocals than the others which makes us recognize her voice quickly

[@siegfrydlangbayan969]

dude? unique? she's good but please choose your words wisely:)

[@mohamadfirdausbinmat2577]

@@siegfrydlangbayan969 UNIQUEEEEEE

[@izskura4750]

@@siegfrydlangbayan969unique !

[@flamingoood3159]

I think lily reached an F#3 in their performance of thunderous in the "keep on talking we dont play by the rules" part. might be wrong tho

[@k-idols3763]

Can you give me the time please cause I can't find the part when she sang "keep on talking we don't play by the rules"

[@flamingoood3159]

@@k-idols3763 kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4Knm4FjZ7agopY its at 1:16

[@NingKook_]

@@k-idols3763 1:20 kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6O1dqSBbMiraqs

[@k-idols3763]

No it was not supported

[@twiceyt1592]

The moment i saw Kyujin's pre-debut i was sure that she's part of the vocal line but then i was surprised that she's promoted as dancer more, and rapper maybe?

[@IÑIAECUADOR]

Lily the best vocallits of 4 generation ❤️

[@jeremyralte8006]

Some people often argue about who is better,, this and that but in reality,, the most important thing is the type of song which they put out ,, even if they showcase all of their vocal prowes or does not show much of it .. the people are the ones who make them popular

[@johnroebetvista1992]

Great content and I kinda agree with most of these❤️… But it really brothers me that whenever people make a vocal analysis they only give emphasis on support(especially in belting)… what about vocal agility? Vocal dynamics? Head voice? Falsetto control? Lower register? Switching of vocal registers? Vibrato?… I do agree support and resonance is an important criteria in evaluating vocal abilities… However, there are vocalists who can produce supported notes throughout her belting range but can barely control her volume(vocal dynamics), can't make a smooth transition from chest to head/falsetto register, low notes are barely audible, uncontrolled vibrato, and have an inconsistent and sloppy vocal runs…

[@k-idols3763]

Thanks. I agree with you, there some singers with muffled lower register, shrill head voice, messy runs but with good support in the belting area. I mean support is important so that's why it's given more importance compared to agility, dynamics, etc...

[@johnroebetvista1992]

@@k-idols3763 thanks for agreeing with me... I also think support is important to preserve your voice in the long run and all... But from what I can see, how can a singer be a better vocalist than the other if he/she is a one-trick-pony? Compare yuju/solar to wendy. Yuju and solar has better and more consistent resonance especially in midbelts(esp 2015-2017 for yuju), but wendy has better upper-belts, better lows, better control and support in head voice(the best in 3rd gen), falsetto is more controlled, better vocal agility, can transition between registers smoothly, and especially WAY BETTER dynamics (compare wendy's version of stay with me to yuju's) as she doesn't sound monotonous(can effortlessly control her volume output or can adjust the powerfulness and softness of her voice)... P.S. I'm not against you and I actually find your content entertaining and informative... I'm against the entire system of evaluating/analyzing vocal technique and skills that has been adopted by the majority of the vocal community

[@KpopFan-pz7vy]

Nmixx is the best gg vocal in 4G. All members are support for a group of 7 members. 2 vocalists above Ningning. Lily is the second best vocalist of this generation after Nayul. The SubVocalists above The Weakers Mains Vocalists. No hate at all gg in this video !!

[@mywordsfact.6000]

Haewon is 3rd best vocalist,let's not forget her too,pls

[@pinksavage9470]

Lily can become 1st in near future Imagine collab of nayul x lily

[@KpopFan-pz7vy]

@@mywordsfact.6000 Yeahhh youre right !!!🔥 I hope she is main vocalist in nmixx...with lily😭

[@KpopFan-pz7vy]

@@pinksavage9470 I hope this😭😭❤❤

[@boppop717]

@@mywordsfact.6000 yes haewon is main vocal too, idk why some ppl put her lead vocal

[@spideysargent2474]

Yunjin can support up to A5 in headvoice update this

[@navisoori5391]

I think it is safe to say that ning supported notes i s F#3/G3 -C#5/D5 -Eb5

[@k-idols3763]

I wouldn't give her D5 tbh, I don't think she's consistent enough and she's heady and light up to D5, about her lows we need to wait a little more cause her F#3s are nice but for now I'll give her G3/G#3.

[@akukuayam9019]

@@k-idols3763 I do think it's safe to give Ning just G3, but agree on the C#5/D5 part. C5/C#5 is the safest option considering the quality of her mixed register.

[@Inthanie]

Haewon doesnt show problems with D5 in her mix, she can have C#5/D5 in her mix register

[@boppop717]

She still have issues above C#5 in mix that is "lightness" and not fully consistent as support with some tension, high larynx, and gets chesty( above C5 already) .

[@ssamu756]

@@boppop717 but her D5 Superhero part have been consistenty good lately.

[@boppop717]

@@ssamu756 still not enough to be considered as supported range

[@ssamu756]

@@boppop717 okay ty

[@yoonalimlimlim9130]

My favorit 4th gen vocalist: chaehyun, winter, haewon their vocal tone is so pretty. I like lily and ningning too

[@korr1990]

Lily ❤️ Little bean with a HUGE voice ✨

[@stefanoraz27]

5:55 she sounds exactly like Jihyo

[@shujinko2944]

Lily is now AA-P!!

[@ismailabdhakim3704]

4th Gen Vocal line 1. Nmixx 2. Aespa Group Vocal 1. Aespa 2. Nmixx

[@kyumi__]

I think NMIXX is stronger as a group too because there’s a big gap between Lily/Haewon and Ningning/Winter while all the sub vocalists are in the same tier.

[@Owen_kim_Official]

sorry but Vocal Monday has grown rapidly, the proof is that he can support the tone on D5 and the high larynx on the E5 tone. Like Lily, just watch her singing in her cover song, entitled Twetny five twenty one, the Jarium version❤️❤️❤️😽

[@Owen_kim_Official]

@João Gabriel Rodrigues Souza clear clear and very clear Monday In the song it supports up to D5 and High larynx In the tone of E5

[@lairann3754]

@ajin Not only there but she supported D5 here more clearly kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXPWlYVuf7J3fsk at around 0:16

[@lairann3754]

@ajin I don't think so tho, I've been following almost all of her covers that I could tell if she's straining it (bad placement or too tight) but there, I believe it's relatively better. She has had some improving moments with D5 but above it, she clearly needs to work more.

[@lairann3754]

@ajin She sometimes has issues with placement (which I think sometimes is influenced by her style idk) and tightness which is very visible in her E5 and above belts. However, I believe she definitely has had relatively good moments with D5.

[@allthetae8480]

There was a typo at Lily. It says that she's NMIXX's 2nd strongest Vocalist, when it should be NMIXX's strongest Vocalist

[@k-idols3763]

Read the pinned comment.

[@allthetae8480]

@@k-idols3763 oh i didn't see it

[@reizer05]

I just like Lilys and Ningnings vocal color thats all

[@daydreamer8686]

Wait who said heady mix or chesty mix is a negative thing ? Who Said balanced is the perfect technique Solar mix is chesty and so heavy yet it's amazing and we praise her for it

[@vampiregaming9820]

But still balanced mix is the best. Solar have very strong support and placement upto C#5. But the reason she can't support higher than C#5 is because of her overly chesty mix which leads to strain in the mid and upper 5th octave notes. Taeyeon too has a chesty mix, it's one of the major reasons she strains above D5.

[@ninamarshiella7680]

Being chesty prevent you to keep open sound when you go higher in 5th octave and being heady makes u sound small and less resonance than u could (U can see how small Ningning's voice when u compare hers and Haewon who has chesty approach) and even to someone who has perfect balanced mix just like Lily.

[@ryanlee3514]

I love winter's parts but yeah i agree her high notes are piercing my ears especially Savage 😅

[@randomsheep1165]

Wowwww NMIXX and Aespa are incredible groups. How would you rate the main vocalists of Pink Fantasy Yeachan and SeeA? And I'm just assumming herr, but I don't think any of the Rocket Punch members would even make it into the weak category right? Or maybe just Suyun and Yunkyoung? Very detailed video xx

[@k-idols3763]

Thanks tho. For pink fantasy, yechan is an above average vocalist she's below haewon and supports around C5/C#5 if I'm not wrong and for seeA she's an average vocalist. For Rocket Punch I'm not familiar with them, sorry.

[@boppop717]

@@k-idols3763 is her G5 in tank is supported ?

[@k-idols3763]

@@boppop717 you're talking about lily right?

[@boppop717]

@@k-idols3763 yes

[@k-idols3763]

@@boppop717 yes that G5 was supported

[@OnceUBellieve]

I would love to see Gyuri, Seoyeon, Hayoung and Jiwon from Fromis_9 :) i loved your vid btw, my singing's knowleges are very limited

[@Lss125]

Jiwon around Yunjin, Hayoung around Liz and Gyuri after Chaewon.

[@Lafilledlapluie]

Whatever vocal technicalities they don't meet this entire group of artists are so talented. I love their voices especially when they're not singing kpop songs 🤣🤣 My opinion is the common nasality is because they speak Korean it's a very nasal language. The singer with less nasality speak other languages.

[@m.tahjulreyhan6976]

Chinese japan korea has problem with nasality beause their language especially japan

[@qAnnzy._.]

Oh my god Lily’s vocals are so heavenly and pleasing to the ears

[@rahsimch]

Very interesting, can you do a part 2? Suggestions: Purple Kiss StayC New Jeans Wooah Everglow Billlie Itzy Rocket Punch Class:y PIXY

[@jaehyunsshoe9124]

Haram and Goeun would both be around High Average (above Winter and Yunjin). Suhyeon would be above Chaehyun. Swan, Chaein (both would be above Karina and Giselle) and Sua (idk where she is around W-A) are all Weak to Average. Ella would be around High Weak to Average or Low Average.

[@jaehyunsshoe9124]

NewJeans barely have any materials but based on their current materials, Hanni, Haerin and Danielle would be around Weak. These are just preliminary information since again, these girls barely have any materials. Who knows, maybe one of them would surprise us and climb up to Average.

[@glibstew]

aespa is definitely the vocally strongest kpop group right now but NMIXX vocal line (Lily + Haewon) is stronger than aespa's (NingNing + Winter)

[@justyouraveragewendyenjoyer]

You're talking about fourth gen, right? Because other groups like Mamamoo and SNSD are way better. Just wondering for if this comes off as rude 🙂.

[@glibstew]

@@justyouraveragewendyenjoyer yes, I'm talking about 4th gen sorry but aespa is not far away from Mamamoo, idk about SNSD

[@theeepidural6144]

@@glibstew aespa is better than Mamamoo and vocally better than SNSD too due to Karina and Giselle being a lot better than the worst vocalist of SNSD

[@melekbasri1575]

@@justyouraveragewendyenjoyer Wendy exists XD But yeah, they're talking about 3 gen, it's obvious

[@justyouraveragewendyenjoyer]

@@melekbasri1575 well ofc Wendy exists but when talking about the vocal lines of groups there are some that are stronger that's why I felt I didn't need to include them.

[@IÑIAECUADOR]

NMIXX Queens vocals of 4 generation ❤️

[@mashotaro]

love this video! really want you to check out class:y as most of the members are pretty good singers and would probably be somewhere on the list. keep up the great work

[@k-idols3763]

thanks! for class:y, jimin and hyungseo and boeun are weak to average and chaewon is average

[@mashotaro]

@@k-idols3763 thanks! i really like classy’s vocals, they seem to be more stylistic rather than technique focused, which is really appealing to me.

[@astrudcastillo3328]

@@k-idols3763 do you mind sharing their ranks if they were on this vid? thank you very much for your hard work. 🫶

[@k-idols3763]

@@astrudcastillo3328 thank u. no I don't mind. Jimin and Hyungseo would probably be around miyeon and sullyoon, boeun would be around kyujin and chaewon would be below chaehyun.

[@sansn7261]

love this video. unpopular opinion: i find Haewon more grounded than lily and more "shaped" than Lily in general speaking. Haewon doesn't lack that much compare to Lily, she has a better mix, yes she can be chesty sometimes but it doesn't matter. She has a better lower register than Lily, she produce and supports her HV. (I think she can support higher tho but we lack materials) Sometimes i do hear tension in her voice above C5 but she's a "better vocalist" than Lily in general. Plus they have the same issues.

[@k-idols3763]

i kind of disagree but it's your opinion, lily has a more balanced mix and is able to support up to D5 without getting chesty, also lily is less nasal and has a better upper register but there isn't a big difference between them.

[@ohsunset1437]

Your opinion doesn't make sense since it's already showed the fact that LILY is a "better vocalist" than HAEWON for an objective reason. Talking on general speaking where you address it specific about their strength/weakness in terms of their vocal,then conclude it falsely. Be focus on facts not opinion since it's unbiased elucidation

[@ningontheringtosing1110]

Not really , Lily still better than Haewon in mix since she's more balanced and controlled there with a good placement and support. Also chesty matters lol since it's unhealthy one

[@YEOUN_channel]

@@ningontheringtosing1110 Just a correction, being chesty doesn't necessarily means unhealthy. Vocalists like Lina,Uji,Solji,Moontaek and Ailee are all chesty yet they sounds healthy and stronger than most with softer approach, it's because they have a strong development with their cords and strong sense of support although chesty. Being chesty also helps to produce more grounded sounding and maximize the projection.

[@ningontheringtosing1110]

@@YEOUN_channel okay thanks for educating me

[@user-tw1zv8ki9q]

Okay I finished lol. First, Is Haseul being 4th strongest a typo? Or is Heejin better? Second, I agree about Bora in weak tier it is a shame she regressed though. Third, Sullyoon has some nice B4’s imo I hope she can become average one day. And finally, I have a feeling that when we get more materials with Lily’s lower register I think we will find out that she’s actually not bad there as well.

[@k-idols3763]

I just noticed the typo lmaoo 😭😭 Thank you for pointing it and out and yes haseul is the 3rd strongest vocalist and for lily's lows they're not really undeveloped tbh it's just she's not consistent with them below A3.

[@user-tw1zv8ki9q]

@@k-idols3763 I hope JYP can afford decent vocal training so they get better 😭

[@k-idols3763]

@@user-tw1zv8ki9q they're really good I think jyp should get itzy vocal training

[@user-tw1zv8ki9q]

@@k-idols3763 same. Especially since Nmixx’s weakest vocal is on par with Itzy’s strongest. It doesn’t help that midzy are constantly praising itzy’s live vocal and don’t see the issue.

[@k-idols3763]

@@user-tw1zv8ki9q yep and if bae gets more singing materials she has a possibility of passing lia.

[@ria6968]

Karina’s positive being aespa’s 4th strongest vocalist when theres only 4 members ? 😭

[@nickfreja3725]

Haha

[@nickfreja3725]

Her positive is she's as good as some lead vocal even though she's lead rapper/dancer.

[@Forever_2424]

1:57 idk but i always gets goosebumps whenever i listen these

[@ssamu756]

idk her tone is just so good to ears even though I know most of those are strains. She's my fav vocalist in kpop.

[@Forever_2424]

@@ssamu756 but her.voice is really satisfying it feels so good

[@ssamu756]

@@Forever_2424 ik her tone is really really sweet

[@Cupidador]

aespa and nmixx are literally going to takeover the 4th gen... it's just their companies holding them back-

[@nathanielgao8771]

Hi! Great video--I know they're not k-pop but i was wondering whether u could give insight on where Fifth Harmony members would fit in this ranking? Specifically Dinah Jane, she has amazing vocal agility and midbelts and while her lows used to suck lmao she's been improving a lot

[@k-idols3763]

Thanks, I'm not familiar with them sorry

[@paledangels]

ally would be above lily, she'd be AA-P. dinah would be A-AA she would be above ningning, lauren would be Average she'd be above winter, camilla (if u count her) she'd be W-A above yves and normani would be weak tier

[@fleija482]

I would like to see a well done analysis of stayc.

[@Xaaaftee]

Aespa and nmixx vocal queens ❤️💕

[@oreki1996]

Lily is in no. 1 spot, if you think otherwise that's probably because you're not a fan of the group.

[@fan_blakpink6943]

Ning-ning the best vicalist 4 generation ♥️♥️♥️

[@fan_blakpink6943]

Vocalist

[@quanrui-e9v]

you spelled lily wrong

[@Lss125]

@@quanrui-e9v You spelled Nayul wrong

[@quanrui-e9v]

@@Lss125 she's not an idol and no one knows her

[@Linaffsultra]

@@quanrui-e9v she is idol. K-net say IU is idol, so nayul is idol to

[@jljl1695]

My fav 4th gen vocalist: Lily ❤

[@itskyuri2604]

I love the vocal line 2002 🥰😁

[@fromista_sn2140]

well, everyone has their own opinion in therms of vocals (for me NingNing has the best technique, and no, vocal range doesn't define you as a stronger/weakest vocalist) i still don't understand how people who makes this kind of "analyses" puts clasical trained singers like Haseul and Yunjin in low tiers (and clasifiying singers in tiers is a nonsen btw) like, you all know how much it cost to be in an opera singer level? something to think about....

[@90slunne]

Being an opera singer doesn't make you a better vocalist, many vocalists in the fourth generation have better technique than Ningning

[@Nymkjbm]

Kinda laughed when you said Karina is Aespa's 4th strongest vocalist since the group has 4 members 😂

[@tribuanapalipadang]

QUEEN LILY

[@catstalk-id]

This is good but I want to know vocalist from less popular group as well 🥲

[@jang2386]

I dont know much about vocal but I never expected Giselle > Karina in term of vocal wow :o i hope we can hear them sing

[@k-idols3763]

they're actually interchangeable, so karina=giselle

[@euniverse0519]

it would've been great if you had put everglow's mia and sihyeon in this video too, they're so good yet so underrapprrciated...

[@dumbdumb1853]

They're weak vocalists sihyeon is the strongest vocalist in everglow

[@euniverse0519]

@@dumbdumb1853 besides, how do you know they're all weak vocalists???

[@k-idols3763]

sihyeon is weak, she has shown shallow support down to B♭3 and up to G4/G♯4 up to A4 at best. mia is underdeveloped, she has shown some very shallow and inconsistent support down to B3 and up to G♯4.

[@k-idols3763]

and the other members are non vocalists

[@euniverse0519]

@@k-idols3763 okay, but they have good voices and it's truly a shame that sihyeon isn't well trained (by their company's teachers) and that mia is so underdeveloped, but at least naming them to explain their good sides and points would be nice to see. this is the only thing i'm saying, didn't mean to offend anyone.

[@syafiraadlina2500]

U missed out minji from secret number, she is a really great vocalist from my opinion just watched her vlive

[@deadblocko]

great content and i love how informative the video is! also, if you dont mind, i have a question: what would be kwon eunbi and jo yuri (ex-izone who are now soloists) tier placement? i can definetly see yuri being in the upper parts, tho i cant say for sure since i know basically nothing about vocals lol

[@k-idols3763]

yuri's tier is average and eunbi's tier is underdeveloped, eunbi used to be in weak but now she's in underdeveloped

[@deadblocko]

@@k-idols3763 oh okay, thats really interesting to hear! thanks for the reply :D

[@yudhistiramahasena1255]

My verdict would go like this: 1. Lily 2. Monday 3. Yoon 4. Ningning 5. Liz 6. Sieun 7. Chowon 8. Chaehyun Yoon is stronger in vocals than Sieun, but a bit weaker compared to Monday. Lily is unmatched.

[@stefi2902]

It's NMIXX girls!!!!

[@tenshi1386]

Im seeing chaehyun and monday appreciation here, I love it

[@chansclown5147]

amazing video

[@k-idols3763]

thanks, no sorry I don't think so.

[@bo4309]

there’s been people saying heejin is better than chuu?? how far do you agree/disagree if you mind me asking

[@k-idols3763]

there is not a big of a difference but heejin is cleaner and more relaxed and less shallow, heejin does fine up to A4 she even has some okay and passable B♭4s.

[@itsot12]

where would you put LE SSERAFIM yunjin in this list?

[@randomlyhere111]

3:12 that B4 was not even close to being supported. The Bb4 at 3:50 wasn’t good either how can you not hear the strain. And wow sullyoon is so much better than what i expected😮 + she’s better and more clean than kyujin, kyujin B4’s were all throaty. 6:47? Was this chest voice ?

[@metkow]

what about Purple Kiss?, Swan and Goeun would be in top tier of this ranking

[@k-idols3763]

swan and chaein are in weak to average and goeun is in average.

[@aughhstringer1162]

@@k-idols3763 aint no way i read this right.

[@Forever_2424]

Hey i have a question what is the support range of chowon of lightsum and she is stronger or weaker than Nayoung and juhyeon

[@Noname-of8hg]

Lily can avoid Nasal is it because she has USUK singing style?

[@doankimtuananh9317]

Maybe that! Her singing style very similar to black vocalist technique.

[@shinigagamimi]

@@doankimtuananh9317 what exactly is black vocalist technique? sounds like you dont know what youre talking about

[@aliyyahbalogun2686]

@@shinigagamimi exactly, people just come up with random things

[@rj_lab]

For PURE LIVE, without vocal enhancers without vocal back track of course STAYC and NMIXX. It doesn't mean live and they're holding a mic means they were singing live, NO! It should be WITHOUT BACK TRACK AND WITHOUT VOCAL ENHANCERS. *STAYC n NMIXX ONLY!* STAYC n NMIXX has all the LIVE FULL SONG VIDEOS...other idols doesn't have. Only snippets.

[@allykelly]

To clarify misinformation High larynx =\= tense/bad Chesty is belt not mix Belting is M1 mechanism Mixing is M2 mechanism

[@k-idols3763]

oh hey, i didn't think you would see this video. thanks tho, what i meant with chesty mix is unbalanced mix and chest dominant mix.

[@allykelly]

@@k-idols3763 chesty mix isn't a thing it's belting not mixed voice you are misinformed

[@k-idols3763]

@@allykelly really? cause from what i've known chesty mix is an unbalanced mix and a chest dominant mix but thanks for letting me know :)

[@allykelly]

@@k-idols3763 mixed voice and belted voice are different lol that's why there are 2 voice mechanisms M1 and M2

[@k-idols3763]

@@allykelly yep makes sense

[@joechandra4096]

so stop saying ningning is the best, she really needs to learn a lot!! don't give her unnecessary pressure :') even 2nd best NMIXX singer beats her

[@suky1324]

don't sleep on weeekly

[@thh982]

Why do people talk so much abt ningning’s lack of chest development as the thing that’s holding her back? Is it hard to improve that?

[@dumbdumb1853]

It's hard to switch a style. Since it's a habit of ningning to sing with light coordination when mixing it stops her from supporting stronger and blocks her resonance and her improvement. It can be improved but it's hard to change your habits. Like smoking takes years to quit

[@thh982]

@@dumbdumb1853 didn’t taeyeon kind of do the opposite and lighten up her mix? like it was super chest heavy before or smth right

[@dumbdumb1853]

@@thh982 Yes taeyeon lightened up her mix but the problem with ningning is taht she's too light and needs to get a bit chesty.

[@thh982]

@@dumbdumb1853 so it’s the opposite problem?

[@dumbdumb1853]

@@thh982 It's okay if you're mix is chesty or heady. The problem is when you're too chesty that you strain (siyeon from dreamcatcher) or when you sing lightly (ningning) if you're too chesty you'll strain and if you're too heady then there isn't much full/open/resonant voice to support

[@hyacinth6552]

I have a question : Who is the best vocalist between Lia (Itzy) and Sieun (StayC) ´cause I see a lot of persons who rank Sieun above Lia and it’s surprising me a lot. And also where would you place them in this ranking ? Because I feel like Lia progressed in Sneakers era. Sorry if I made mistake or anything, I’m still not fluent

[@k-idols3763]

Sieun barely has any support compared to Lia who has some shallow support.

[@hyacinth6552]

@@k-idols3763 Thank you 😊 !!! I wasn’t sure if Lia has a shallow support or normal support and Sieun if she has no support or shallow support.

[@k-idols3763]

@@hyacinth6552 sieun has some very shallow support that wouldn't even considered support.

[@jujuba4092]

@@k-idols3763 lia has her Bb3/Bb4 support range because of her cover price ting and can't take my eyes off you cover

[@k-idols3763]

@@jujuba4092 those aren't the only songs where she supported, she has shown support in itzy's songs, in mujin service, vlives, covers, etc...

[@maxxboniao2622]

Lily the strongest vocalist!!

[@kshil9713]

missing purple kiss members :(

[@itsot12]

@K-IDOLs where would you put blackpink rose, red velvet wendy, and izone yuri in this list? in terms of below/above which idols, not which category

[@fin8253]

Wendy >>>>> Yuri > Rosé

[@itsot12]

@@fin8253 really, you would consider yuri above rose? yuri never really struck me as a very powerful or controlled vocalist, whereas rose has both power and insane control

[@fin8253]

@@itsot12 Yuri is at least average whereas Rosé is weak to average at best.

[@k-idols3763]

wendy → proficient (B+) yuri → average (C) rosé → weak to average (D+)

[@mcgalnari26]

Are there any mezzo-sopranos in K-Pop? I only know Stephanie from The Grace.

[@twiceot9111]

@@vintasahi exid's hani is actually a soprano. They way she hits C5's and D5's are very sopranoish. Even in her group it's actually solji who has the heaviest voice. Lee hi is also a sprano BTW. I know she can support her lower register well but range isn't a only factor of vocal typing. Watch this video- kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXjQlIaiiaeXZrM The only mezzo in my opinion in Korea is jiyoung from big Mama or maybe moonbyul(I'm not that sure)

[@Qqqahhhhhhh]

Juhyeon lightsum❤❤

[@neblol]

What do you think of Newjeans?

[@xxmoonlightxx5742]

I think fromis_9 are considered 4th gen also izone (unless u dont include disbanded groups). Is lily better than wendy and tae then? Since her supp is d5/eb5 while wendys and taes are c#5 and d5?

[@k-idols3763]

It would have taken a lot of time if I included fromis_9, izone, etc.. But I might analyze some of the members individually i'm not sure.

[@k-idols3763]

Lily is not better than Wendy or Tae. Wendy and Tae have a better midrange, they're fuller and more open compared to lily.

[@xxmoonlightxx5742]

@@k-idols3763 im sry dont they 2 have c#5/d5 while lily like in the video has d5/eb5

[@k-idols3763]

@@xxmoonlightxx5742 it's not always about having a higher supported range it's about the support quality look at Yves she has A4 and she's better than kyujin, Giselle, sullyoon, Karina who have A4/Bb4. Ningning has C5/C#5 like Haewon but Ningning is still in Average to Above Average because of her light mix. Taeyeon and Wendy both have better fullness, better support quality and better openness than lily

[@chiviny8512]

Lily is not better than wendy or taeyeon, at least yet. Wendy and Tae are both able to produce resonance, Lily has not so far, however in her most recent vlive, she shows that she definitely had the potential to

[@jaeiii1516]

MONDAY>>>>>>

[@ayumii.i]

Liz slayed 💗

[@galuxistar1615]

Idk if you’ve mentioned this already, but where’s Lia?

[@k-idols3763]

I didnt include everyone in this ranking

[@ceci7488]

Omg I think Karina is better than Giselle

[@k-idols3763]

They're interchangeable tbh.

[@purkissed]

Stayc sieun or purple kiss swan/Goeun/chaein?

[@CosmicWin]

Really sad that you didn't put one of the best 4th Gen vocalists, Mia, on here. She's really amazing.

[@chaesstrawberry9449]

ummm she's not technically good, she's more of a stylistic singer

[@ssamu756]

You mean one of the worst?

[@KittyTsundere]

@@ssamu756 Ded 💀

[@Forever_2424]

Bro are you joking mia is one of the best dancer and rapper if we consider in top 20 but in vocalsshe is very shallow although she shows some support but i will consider her one of the worst main vocalist in 4th gen and one of the best dancer in 4th gen and one of the best sub rapper in 4th gen

[@Forever_2424]

@@chaesstrawberry9449 or heady singer

[@yuritron]

aran from fifty fifty should be here

[@cleverjade巧玉]

Hey I was wondering where you would place StayC as vocalists (esp Sieun and Yoon)? Thanks!

[@k-idols3763]

Sieun and Isa would be in weak, Yoon in underdeveloped and the others in non vocalists.

[@cleverjade巧玉]

@@k-idols3763 I'm surprised, I though Sieun was the best then Yoon then Isa, based on the parts that they get. But actually I've always preferred Isa's voice over Yoon's. Thanks for responding!