Please understand that I didn't include every female vocalist. Correction: Lily is NMIXX's strongest vocalist, it was a typo
@KeepUpBiatress2 жыл бұрын
Oh thank God I got scared
@ironvocal23112 жыл бұрын
Hello ☺️ Do you know anything about Pixy Sua? Sometimes Sua is the cleanest amongst the members. Also can you analyze your performance☺️ kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIXNh6SHf5KgmJY
@own-cl66322 жыл бұрын
@@KeepUpBiatress HELP SAME
@alviandwiramadhan4212 жыл бұрын
Do you have ig?? Can i ask about my supported range?
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
@@alviandwiramadhan421 can u send the link here on ytb?
@aldrenenenenen_40892 жыл бұрын
The fact that the supported range Lily has is very rare for 4th gen vocalists, in spite of the amount of groups being debuted this period, unfortunately shows how vocal and vocal training is becoming less and less prioritized for companies and the entertainment industry. I mean look at how heavily processed vocals are in supposedly vocal-focused shows such as produce and Masked Singer.
@culturedswine40032 жыл бұрын
I don’t agree with your first sentence. Even in 3rd gen, none of the main vocalists support D5/Eb5 except for yuji and she’s also the strongest female main vocalist of her generation like Lily.
@aldrenenenenen_40892 жыл бұрын
@@culturedswine4003 well, wendy can support to a D while solar and wheein can do up to C#. Wheein, despite being light lyric, can project properly into the third octave, G iirc, so can Solar. Also, your point just adds evidence to my first statement, that vocal technique is becoming less and less given importance. Most main vocalists today are just made so for the fact that they can hit an F or a G, regardless of technique. Which is also why most vocalists today, when belting, sound almost without any distinction.
@culturedswine40032 жыл бұрын
@@aldrenenenenen_4089 Haewon also has many D5’s and Ning Ning, Yechan and Monday also have a couple of C#5’s. Ning Ning also can sing D3 (in studio) with tonality and Monday can project F3. You can’t just look at particular notes but the vocalist as a whole. I don’t disagree that vocals are getting weaker and weaker in 4th Gen, but that decline was already happening in 3rd Gen. Also, the gap between 3rd Gen and 4th Gen is noticeable, but I kinda feel like you’re making it seem bigger than it it’s but cmiiw.
@eloole32702 жыл бұрын
@@culturedswine4003 yes many 3rd gen vocalist can't support as lily but overall 3rd gen is better than 4th gen when it comes to vacal like many 4th gen gg is lacking in vocal even the main vocal of many 4th gen is weaker than the lead vocalist of 3rd gen and many 3rd gen vocalist groups and soloist are proficient so 3rd gen is better than this current generation (excuse my grammar)
@muhamadfarid4272 жыл бұрын
@@culturedswine4003 strongest? *One of the strongest. There are Solar, Wendy, Uji, Dia, Shannon, Ailee.
@akukuayam90192 жыл бұрын
I really like Haewon. She be moving from B4/C5 to C5/C#5. Idk if she's technically main vocalist along with Lily or just a lead vocal with Sullyoon, and Kyujin. Some people on Twitter keep saying that Lily is the only main vocalist Also i find that Karina and Giselle are very interchangeable
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
As far as I know Nmixx doesn't have "main" or "lead" positions but I definitely think she should be the main vocalist along with lily
@akukuayam90192 жыл бұрын
@@k-idols3763 Agree. That was just me lurking on Twitter though 😅
@keimohnimcneill2 жыл бұрын
@K-IDOLs I agree Haewon should definitely be main vocal along with lily👍
@user-gk1mx6ur1c2 жыл бұрын
@@keimohnimcneill haewon is main vocal tho
@keimohnimcneill2 жыл бұрын
Umm they don't have fixed positions So we don't really know yet But she still should be main vocal along with lily🙂
@multistanarchive60762 жыл бұрын
I was really shocked cause Kyujin is a rapper and a dancer. I knew it she really does sound good and I like her vocals too
@Taeyeon892 жыл бұрын
@@greeng6914 No one in twice or Itzy really improved though. Not notable improvement at least. Yeji didn’t improve either . People just noticed that she’s not completely terrible up to G#4
@Tyyry.tut678 Жыл бұрын
@@Taeyeon89 yeji supported vocals now
@nes9895 Жыл бұрын
@@Taeyeon89 literally what are you talking about twice debuting with only 3 members being able to support and they're up to 5 with mina and chaeyoung almost 6 with tzuyu being very close to supporting as well.
@choerryknif3191 Жыл бұрын
@@Taeyeon89 how? before only the 3mix were able to support, now both chaeyoung and mina are weak tier and tzuyu showed recently some supported notes
@johnroebetvista1992 Жыл бұрын
I think ningning's well-projected lower register and her clean and precise vocal agility saved her from earning one of the top main vocalists of this generation... Even though there are a "few" 4th gen main vocalists that may outrank her in terms of belting and upper-register, I think there's only a few (or none) vocalists who can come close to her lower register and vocal agility and she's most likely the best in these among her peers...
@Unknownandbyes Жыл бұрын
1st gen - Bada 2nd gen - Taeyeon 3rd gen - Wendy 4th gen - Lily ( the arguments are still ongoing but lily is easily holding the top position, girl was born to be in top, hard work paid off)
@boppop717 Жыл бұрын
@Randomnayul is definitely 1st in vocal since she's part of 4th gen then it's lily in general
Hyolyn and Luna are better vocalists than Taeyeon lol
@oceanid49232 жыл бұрын
lily is seriously very strong in the 5th octave it’s so impressive
@Dimyixx Жыл бұрын
Indeed. But her 4th octave need some working even Haewon is fuller in that area. That's the reason why Lily isn't in AA-P yet
@d.n.n22672 жыл бұрын
I think for Giselle and karina(+) there's no need for the third or fourth because they both have something to fight karina with her Agility and Vibrato + Lows a bit better than Giselle, and Giselle is always clean in her voice and a bit of an issue, but karina has a lot of belting and for her lvl karina mix belting she has entered a neat one! but I agree Giselle relaxes a bit while singing makes the support very clean sometimes!
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
They're isn't that much difference between, it's just that Giselle can stay clean and relaxed with not too many with Bb4 and B4 but they're interchangeable tbh.
@Sardam30 Жыл бұрын
do you have ig or another sosmed? can i ask about my supported range?
@randomlyhere1112 жыл бұрын
Lily the official vocal queen of 4th generation 🔥😍
@katybreen29392 жыл бұрын
Nayul outdid xx
@nerdgurl4022 жыл бұрын
Lily undisputed!
@minhive63642 жыл бұрын
@@katybreen2939 I thought she wasnt active in kpop anymore?
I wouldn't be surprised if lily can support E5 bcuz her some of her covers with E5 note is full and open. She once. Supported a E5 in bangbang cover but it's too short
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
Yeah I included that bang bang cover in the video, its the part where she sang "wait" that was a supported E5.
@simp4matt5872 жыл бұрын
@@k-idols3763 even in her maktub cover in the last part Her E5 there is kinda supported but it's pushed
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
@@simp4matt587 I wouldn't really say it was supported it was rather well placed than supported.
@boppop7172 жыл бұрын
@@k-idols3763 I think it's safe to put Eb5/E5 in her mix now
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
@@boppop717 no not all, she only supported like one E5 or maybe two E5s that's all.
@user-gk1mx6ur1c2 жыл бұрын
Nmixx 4thgen Vocal Group🔥
@kevinacostas27542 жыл бұрын
YEEESSS ❤️
@xoenthusiast64772 жыл бұрын
I feel like Ningning doesn't have that chance to showcase her strongest vocals. SM is making them a mysterious group (like EXO and RV) unlike in JYP who can do live with their fans and cover songs. SM is really bad at giving their Idols freedom.
@Kaoqws2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, we have to wait every few months for a new comeback to see their improvement, at best is the fan calls though.
@Moonwalkmj2 жыл бұрын
yes ! same for nct, at first I wouldn't think their vocals were THAT good (same rv and exo)
@vampiregaming98202 жыл бұрын
They're locked at SM dungeon before their comeback
@jang23862 жыл бұрын
Weird aah kwangya lore
@superstar-su7fg Жыл бұрын
Yup so right ... jyp provides his artists with whatever they could ask for ...
@tangerindream2 жыл бұрын
so much unpolished talent in 4th gen kpop! I really love gidle and loona members' voices. It's such a shame their sense of support is generally so shallow/underdevelopped, especially for someone like haseul who seems to have all the ingredients to be much more technically advanced than she is right now. I'm not sure I agree with every note you labeled to be supported here but overall this is a very solid job. great video! it's nice to see that the online kpop vocal community is still somewhat active. I hadn't watched this kind of videos about kpop in a hot minute lol.
@fangirlmode8705 Жыл бұрын
Blame Soyeon for IDLE's vocals because she prohibited them from taking vocal lessons. She thought that it would ruin their vocal color. Like bruhhh Vocal lessons would help them to sing many genres.
@rheynotryan Жыл бұрын
@@fangirlmode8705 wait is this real 🧍♀
@rheynotryan Жыл бұрын
omg wait it is 💀💀
@fangirlmode8705 Жыл бұрын
@@rheynotryan it's just sad. Isn't it?
@rheynotryan Жыл бұрын
@@fangirlmode8705 yea, i get why she would want the members to have individuality but at the expense of their vocal cords' health? big no
Ningning had G5(HV) at best, she has shown that predebut. Ningning rarely shows her head register but I dont think shes inconsistent to it
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
i meant that she rarely shows her head voice and she lacks materials from her head voice.
@BOSS-nz2hw2 жыл бұрын
@@k-idols3763 The thing is we aren't seen much about Ning's vocals as much as we do to just debuted Nmixx' Haewon and Lily.
@emiuwu14582 жыл бұрын
Purple kiss is soooo underrated Swan has one of the most unique and enjoyable voices also Goeun is really talented 😢
@liamseravali22912 жыл бұрын
Swan sings in cursive every time that’s not very pleasant to hear honestly
@emiuwu14582 жыл бұрын
Cursive 😂but I personally like it so it’s very subjective. But she’s definitely better than some vocalists in this list
@melekbasri15752 жыл бұрын
Explain it the same way they did in the video XD It's so easy to say: this idol is better, but explain it, give examples XD
@emiuwu14582 жыл бұрын
@@melekbasri1575 Well you don’t have to be expert to notice what is obvious 😌
@melekbasri15752 жыл бұрын
@@emiuwu1458 It's obvious they are good, but to say they are better than another person, you need to explain it
@harvestcutie.33452 жыл бұрын
I feel like Karina and Giselle are pretty similar bit I feel like Karina is a bit better. I always that Kyujin was a better vocalist than Sullyoon I'm happy to see someone who agrees with me! :) the video was really well made! Also I love the Monday of Weeekly appreciation! I love her voice and I don't see lots of hype for her!
@babykoala34132 жыл бұрын
yup kyujin is 3th best vocalist in NMIXX after lily and haewon, her tier better than jinni and sullyoon
@babykoala34132 жыл бұрын
but i thought jinni slightly better than sullyoon tho, she is more powerful than her?
@daisyr84902 жыл бұрын
@@babykoala3413 she isn’t Sullyoon is the 4th best
@Alexnuna0199 Жыл бұрын
I think it's le sserafim Yunjin for me....after watching her guesting at Lee mujin show I didn't think her voice is that high her low voice is really amazing also. She effortlessly reach that high notes also, she sings clearly also the clarity of her voice🔥 I can see she still didn't show us her 100% vocal range
@UrMumi Жыл бұрын
nmixx is probably the most vocally strong group in 4th gen kpop
@nami_nami81542 жыл бұрын
Chaehyun has the sweetest and unique vocals than the others which makes us recognize her voice quickly
@siegfrydlangbayan9692 жыл бұрын
dude? unique? she's good but please choose your words wisely:)
@mohamadfirdausbinmat25772 жыл бұрын
@@siegfrydlangbayan969 UNIQUEEEEEE
@izskura4750 Жыл бұрын
@@siegfrydlangbayan969unique !
@ryanlee35142 жыл бұрын
After listening to their KISS cover, i agree that Kyujin is their 3rd strongest.. PS. I see potentian in Kyujin's pre-debut back then (Lonely cover).
@KittyTsundere2 жыл бұрын
Great work! However, I would personally disagree with saying that the girls in the W and W-A who can support down at least G#3/A3 have well-developed lower registers if they lack fullness in their lower registers or can get shallow down there a good amount of the time (which I am seeing with some of them esp Yuqi and Liz). Decently developed, sure, but not exactly well-developed. I know they're (lyric) sopranos, so I don't have that much expectations for their lows, but they're far from what I can say well-developed tbh. Development, at least to me, isn't just how low (or how high) you can support, but also the quality of these notes delivered as well (like if they're solid or full) and the consistency as well. For instance, compare many of these girls to MAMAMOO Solar who can support down to G#3/A3 as well but with nice fullness and you can see a glaring difference in development between her and these girls. Monday seems to have a nicely developed lower register though based on that F3 she produced at 11:37. 0:57 Am I hearing throatiness there at the F#4 and after? I didn't really like the F#4 and the ones following after that in that moment (sounded throaty to me ngl) lol. The moment after that was slightly nicer ig lol. -Also, ofc, Yuqi does not sound like a mezzo at all, let alone that low of a soprano tbh lol. Her chesty approach (when she's not too throaty from what I can hear like at that time stamp) kind-of reminds me of Seungmin's approach (except I believe Seungmin is stronger and more consistent lol) and Seungmin is a (light) lyric tenor afaik lol. 2:08 Okay, glad someone agrees with my initial opinion that Bora should be in the weak tier (I personally think she's too shallow to be anywhere in W-A lmao). Personally, I do think fromis_9 Gyuri is better than her; I mean sure, both of them are shallow and weak in support, but I would argue Gyuri more for the W-A tier than I would for Bora based on what I've seen so far from what I can hear from the two of them lol (I don't fan-follow fromis_9 or Cherry Bullet btw so maybe I could be wrong lol). Thanks for the confirmation bias btw lol. 2:47 Didn't expect her to get G#3 and actually thought she has Bb4 (like A4/Bb4) in her S.R. ngl (though still not the best G#3 I've heard from anyone tbh). I know there has been talk about moving her above (or below) where she is at, but I would personally keep her as it is lol. 3:39 I'm not sure if it's the view angle, but isn't her jaw a being brought bit too forward and awkward in position (instead of dropping her jaw completely downwards, it seems like she's protruding it forwardly from what I can see from the certain angle)? Not sure if I should call it jaw tension absolutely or if I'm seeing it from a wrong angle, but someone pls confirm for me this (also at 3:42 too) lmao. 6:04 yep, Giselle > Karina for me too. 10:26 I personally don't mind if you give a supported range in her head voice (that F#5 was pretty nice tbh), but to be safe, I would wait for more materials before actually giving her one tbh just to be sure it's not spontaneous or anything. Also, great to know that she completely avoids the HYBE "breathy" house style lol. 11:37 That's a really nice F3. If there is anyone in this video who I can say has a well-developed lower register, she's definitely one of them (if not the "one"). Hopefully she produces some nice more F3's lol. 12:35 if there was more chest engagement in her mix, I would boot her up to AA tbh lol. She just needs the chest engagement lmao. 15:37 did you mean "strongest vocalist in NMIXX" (I think you made a typo lol)? Also, what do these kids mean that she "screams" when she actually shows healthy projection and good support unlike some of their faves (I personally know idol vocalists who sound they scream a good amount of the time (many of them are male idols which should be quite telling lol), and they don't get the sh*t that Lily gets lmao...actually some of them are ranked among the top in their groups for that because they sound "powerful" lmao)... 🥴 Maybe I'm wrong with some of these thoughts (since I'm personally learning and even creating projects based on this knowledge as well lol), but it would be nice if someone can confirm at least one of them lol.
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Thank you for correcting the typo, lily is the strongest vocalist. About Liz, her lows sound fine to me yes shallow ofc. About yuqi, I agree she has problems with throatiness, that G4 sounded quite throaty but it was supported tho. About Yunjin, I wasn't sure if I would put a supported range for her head voice, but if we get more materials from her head voice then she might get supported range for her head voice.
@Sardam30 Жыл бұрын
do you have ig or another sosmed? can i ask about my supported range?
@KpopFan-pz7vy2 жыл бұрын
Nmixx is the best gg vocal in 4G. All members are support for a group of 7 members. 2 vocalists above Ningning. Lily is the second best vocalist of this generation after Nayul. The SubVocalists above The Weakers Mains Vocalists. No hate at all gg in this video !!
@mywordsfact.60002 жыл бұрын
Haewon is 3rd best vocalist,let's not forget her too,pls
@pinksavage94702 жыл бұрын
Lily can become 1st in near future Imagine collab of nayul x lily
@KpopFan-pz7vy2 жыл бұрын
@@mywordsfact.6000 Yeahhh youre right !!!🔥 I hope she is main vocalist in nmixx...with lily😭
@KpopFan-pz7vy2 жыл бұрын
@@pinksavage9470 I hope this😭😭❤❤
@boppop7172 жыл бұрын
@@mywordsfact.6000 yes haewon is main vocal too, idk why some ppl put her lead vocal
@kevinacostas27542 жыл бұрын
Lily the best vocallits of 4 generation ❤️
@flamingoood31592 жыл бұрын
I think lily reached an F#3 in their performance of thunderous in the "keep on talking we dont play by the rules" part. might be wrong tho
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
Can you give me the time please cause I can't find the part when she sang "keep on talking we don't play by the rules"
@flamingoood31592 жыл бұрын
@@k-idols3763 kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4Knm4FjZ7agopY its at 1:16
Yunjin can support up to A5 in headvoice update this
@shujinko29442 жыл бұрын
Lily is now AA-P!!
@allthetae84802 жыл бұрын
There was a typo at Lily. It says that she's NMIXX's 2nd strongest Vocalist, when it should be NMIXX's strongest Vocalist
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
Read the pinned comment.
@allthetae84802 жыл бұрын
@@k-idols3763 oh i didn't see it
@reizer052 жыл бұрын
I just like Lilys and Ningnings vocal color thats all
@johnroebetvista19922 жыл бұрын
Great content and I kinda agree with most of these❤️… But it really brothers me that whenever people make a vocal analysis they only give emphasis on support(especially in belting)… what about vocal agility? Vocal dynamics? Head voice? Falsetto control? Lower register? Switching of vocal registers? Vibrato?… I do agree support and resonance is an important criteria in evaluating vocal abilities… However, there are vocalists who can produce supported notes throughout her belting range but can barely control her volume(vocal dynamics), can't make a smooth transition from chest to head/falsetto register, low notes are barely audible, uncontrolled vibrato, and have an inconsistent and sloppy vocal runs…
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I agree with you, there some singers with muffled lower register, shrill head voice, messy runs but with good support in the belting area. I mean support is important so that's why it's given more importance compared to agility, dynamics, etc...
@johnroebetvista19922 жыл бұрын
@@k-idols3763 thanks for agreeing with me... I also think support is important to preserve your voice in the long run and all... But from what I can see, how can a singer be a better vocalist than the other if he/she is a one-trick-pony? Compare yuju/solar to wendy. Yuju and solar has better and more consistent resonance especially in midbelts(esp 2015-2017 for yuju), but wendy has better upper-belts, better lows, better control and support in head voice(the best in 3rd gen), falsetto is more controlled, better vocal agility, can transition between registers smoothly, and especially WAY BETTER dynamics (compare wendy's version of stay with me to yuju's) as she doesn't sound monotonous(can effortlessly control her volume output or can adjust the powerfulness and softness of her voice)... P.S. I'm not against you and I actually find your content entertaining and informative... I'm against the entire system of evaluating/analyzing vocal technique and skills that has been adopted by the majority of the vocal community
@twiceyt15922 жыл бұрын
The moment i saw Kyujin's pre-debut i was sure that she's part of the vocal line but then i was surprised that she's promoted as dancer more, and rapper maybe?
@ayumii.i9 ай бұрын
Finally Liz is consider!!💗💗
@randomsheep11652 жыл бұрын
Wowwww NMIXX and Aespa are incredible groups. How would you rate the main vocalists of Pink Fantasy Yeachan and SeeA? And I'm just assumming herr, but I don't think any of the Rocket Punch members would even make it into the weak category right? Or maybe just Suyun and Yunkyoung? Very detailed video xx
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
Thanks tho. For pink fantasy, yechan is an above average vocalist she's below haewon and supports around C5/C#5 if I'm not wrong and for seeA she's an average vocalist. For Rocket Punch I'm not familiar with them, sorry.
@boppop7172 жыл бұрын
@@k-idols3763 is her G5 in tank is supported ?
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
@@boppop717 you're talking about lily right?
@boppop7172 жыл бұрын
@@k-idols3763 yes
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
@@boppop717 yes that G5 was supported
@navisoori53912 жыл бұрын
I think it is safe to say that ning supported notes i s F#3/G3 -C#5/D5 -Eb5
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't give her D5 tbh, I don't think she's consistent enough and she's heady and light up to D5, about her lows we need to wait a little more cause her F#3s are nice but for now I'll give her G3/G#3.
@akukuayam90192 жыл бұрын
@@k-idols3763 I do think it's safe to give Ning just G3, but agree on the C#5/D5 part. C5/C#5 is the safest option considering the quality of her mixed register.
@stefanoraz272 жыл бұрын
5:55 she sounds exactly like Jihyo
@ismailabdhakim37042 жыл бұрын
4th Gen Vocal line 1. Nmixx 2. Aespa Group Vocal 1. Aespa 2. Nmixx
@kyumi__2 жыл бұрын
I think NMIXX is stronger as a group too because there’s a big gap between Lily/Haewon and Ningning/Winter while all the sub vocalists are in the same tier.
@Owen_kim_Official2 жыл бұрын
sorry but Vocal Monday has grown rapidly, the proof is that he can support the tone on D5 and the high larynx on the E5 tone. Like Lily, just watch her singing in her cover song, entitled Twetny five twenty one, the Jarium version❤️❤️❤️😽
@Owen_kim_Official Жыл бұрын
@João Gabriel Rodrigues Souza clear clear and very clear Monday In the song it supports up to D5 and High larynx In the tone of E5
@lairann3754 Жыл бұрын
@ajin Not only there but she supported D5 here more clearly kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXPWlYVuf7J3fsk at around 0:16
@lairann3754 Жыл бұрын
@ajin I don't think so tho, I've been following almost all of her covers that I could tell if she's straining it (bad placement or too tight) but there, I believe it's relatively better. She has had some improving moments with D5 but above it, she clearly needs to work more.
@lairann3754 Жыл бұрын
@ajin She sometimes has issues with placement (which I think sometimes is influenced by her style idk) and tightness which is very visible in her E5 and above belts. However, I believe she definitely has had relatively good moments with D5.
@ria6968 Жыл бұрын
Karina’s positive being aespa’s 4th strongest vocalist when theres only 4 members ? 😭
@nickfreja3725 Жыл бұрын
Haha
@nickfreja3725 Жыл бұрын
Her positive is she's as good as some lead vocal even though she's lead rapper/dancer.
@daydreamer86862 жыл бұрын
Wait who said heady mix or chesty mix is a negative thing ? Who Said balanced is the perfect technique Solar mix is chesty and so heavy yet it's amazing and we praise her for it
@vampiregaming9820 Жыл бұрын
But still balanced mix is the best. Solar have very strong support and placement upto C#5. But the reason she can't support higher than C#5 is because of her overly chesty mix which leads to strain in the mid and upper 5th octave notes. Taeyeon too has a chesty mix, it's one of the major reasons she strains above D5.
@ninamarshiella7680 Жыл бұрын
Being chesty prevent you to keep open sound when you go higher in 5th octave and being heady makes u sound small and less resonance than u could (U can see how small Ningning's voice when u compare hers and Haewon who has chesty approach) and even to someone who has perfect balanced mix just like Lily.
@glibstew2 жыл бұрын
aespa is definitely the vocally strongest kpop group right now but NMIXX vocal line (Lily + Haewon) is stronger than aespa's (NingNing + Winter)
@justyouraveragewendyenjoyer2 жыл бұрын
You're talking about fourth gen, right? Because other groups like Mamamoo and SNSD are way better. Just wondering for if this comes off as rude 🙂.
@glibstew2 жыл бұрын
@@justyouraveragewendyenjoyer yes, I'm talking about 4th gen sorry but aespa is not far away from Mamamoo, idk about SNSD
@theeepidural61442 жыл бұрын
@@glibstew aespa is better than Mamamoo and vocally better than SNSD too due to Karina and Giselle being a lot better than the worst vocalist of SNSD
@melekbasri15752 жыл бұрын
@@justyouraveragewendyenjoyer Wendy exists XD But yeah, they're talking about 3 gen, it's obvious
@justyouraveragewendyenjoyer2 жыл бұрын
@@melekbasri1575 well ofc Wendy exists but when talking about the vocal lines of groups there are some that are stronger that's why I felt I didn't need to include them.
@ryanlee35142 жыл бұрын
I love winter's parts but yeah i agree her high notes are piercing my ears especially Savage 😅
@qAnnzy._.2 жыл бұрын
Oh my god Lily’s vocals are so heavenly and pleasing to the ears
@Inthanie2 жыл бұрын
Haewon doesnt show problems with D5 in her mix, she can have C#5/D5 in her mix register
@boppop7172 жыл бұрын
She still have issues above C#5 in mix that is "lightness" and not fully consistent as support with some tension, high larynx, and gets chesty( above C5 already) .
@ssamu7562 жыл бұрын
@@boppop717 but her D5 Superhero part have been consistenty good lately.
@boppop7172 жыл бұрын
@@ssamu756 still not enough to be considered as supported range
@ssamu7562 жыл бұрын
@@boppop717 okay ty
@jeremyralte80062 жыл бұрын
Some people often argue about who is better,, this and that but in reality,, the most important thing is the type of song which they put out ,, even if they showcase all of their vocal prowes or does not show much of it .. the people are the ones who make them popular
@korr1990 Жыл бұрын
Lily ❤️ Little bean with a HUGE voice ✨
@yoonalimlimlim9130 Жыл бұрын
My favorit 4th gen vocalist: chaehyun, winter, haewon their vocal tone is so pretty. I like lily and ningning too
@Cupidador Жыл бұрын
aespa and nmixx are literally going to takeover the 4th gen... it's just their companies holding them back-
@OnceUBellieve2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see Gyuri, Seoyeon, Hayoung and Jiwon from Fromis_9 :) i loved your vid btw, my singing's knowleges are very limited
@Lss1252 жыл бұрын
Jiwon around Yunjin, Hayoung around Liz and Gyuri after Chaewon.
@sansn72612 жыл бұрын
love this video. unpopular opinion: i find Haewon more grounded than lily and more "shaped" than Lily in general speaking. Haewon doesn't lack that much compare to Lily, she has a better mix, yes she can be chesty sometimes but it doesn't matter. She has a better lower register than Lily, she produce and supports her HV. (I think she can support higher tho but we lack materials) Sometimes i do hear tension in her voice above C5 but she's a "better vocalist" than Lily in general. Plus they have the same issues.
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
i kind of disagree but it's your opinion, lily has a more balanced mix and is able to support up to D5 without getting chesty, also lily is less nasal and has a better upper register but there isn't a big difference between them.
@ohsunset14372 жыл бұрын
Your opinion doesn't make sense since it's already showed the fact that LILY is a "better vocalist" than HAEWON for an objective reason. Talking on general speaking where you address it specific about their strength/weakness in terms of their vocal,then conclude it falsely. Be focus on facts not opinion since it's unbiased elucidation
@ningontheringtosing11102 жыл бұрын
Not really , Lily still better than Haewon in mix since she's more balanced and controlled there with a good placement and support. Also chesty matters lol since it's unhealthy one
@YEOUN_channel2 жыл бұрын
@@ningontheringtosing1110 Just a correction, being chesty doesn't necessarily means unhealthy. Vocalists like Lina,Uji,Solji,Moontaek and Ailee are all chesty yet they sounds healthy and stronger than most with softer approach, it's because they have a strong development with their cords and strong sense of support although chesty. Being chesty also helps to produce more grounded sounding and maximize the projection.
@ningontheringtosing11102 жыл бұрын
@@YEOUN_channel okay thanks for educating me
@Nymkjbm Жыл бұрын
Kinda laughed when you said Karina is Aespa's 4th strongest vocalist since the group has 4 members 😂
@rahsimch2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, can you do a part 2? Suggestions: Purple Kiss StayC New Jeans Wooah Everglow Billlie Itzy Rocket Punch Class:y PIXY
@jaehyunsshoe91242 жыл бұрын
Haram and Goeun would both be around High Average (above Winter and Yunjin). Suhyeon would be above Chaehyun. Swan, Chaein (both would be above Karina and Giselle) and Sua (idk where she is around W-A) are all Weak to Average. Ella would be around High Weak to Average or Low Average.
@jaehyunsshoe91242 жыл бұрын
NewJeans barely have any materials but based on their current materials, Hanni, Haerin and Danielle would be around Weak. These are just preliminary information since again, these girls barely have any materials. Who knows, maybe one of them would surprise us and climb up to Average.
@Lafilledlapluie Жыл бұрын
Whatever vocal technicalities they don't meet this entire group of artists are so talented. I love their voices especially when they're not singing kpop songs 🤣🤣 My opinion is the common nasality is because they speak Korean it's a very nasal language. The singer with less nasality speak other languages.
@m.tahjulreyhan6976Ай бұрын
Chinese japan korea has problem with nasality beause their language especially japan
@kevinacostas27542 жыл бұрын
NMIXX Queens vocals of 4 generation ❤️
@oreki1996 Жыл бұрын
Lily is in no. 1 spot, if you think otherwise that's probably because you're not a fan of the group.
@Xaaaftee2 жыл бұрын
Aespa and nmixx vocal queens ❤️💕
@user-tw1zv8ki9q2 жыл бұрын
Okay I finished lol. First, Is Haseul being 4th strongest a typo? Or is Heejin better? Second, I agree about Bora in weak tier it is a shame she regressed though. Third, Sullyoon has some nice B4’s imo I hope she can become average one day. And finally, I have a feeling that when we get more materials with Lily’s lower register I think we will find out that she’s actually not bad there as well.
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
I just noticed the typo lmaoo 😭😭 Thank you for pointing it and out and yes haseul is the 3rd strongest vocalist and for lily's lows they're not really undeveloped tbh it's just she's not consistent with them below A3.
@user-tw1zv8ki9q2 жыл бұрын
@@k-idols3763 I hope JYP can afford decent vocal training so they get better 😭
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
@@user-tw1zv8ki9q they're really good I think jyp should get itzy vocal training
@user-tw1zv8ki9q2 жыл бұрын
@@k-idols3763 same. Especially since Nmixx’s weakest vocal is on par with Itzy’s strongest. It doesn’t help that midzy are constantly praising itzy’s live vocal and don’t see the issue.
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
@@user-tw1zv8ki9q yep and if bae gets more singing materials she has a possibility of passing lia.
@mashotaro2 жыл бұрын
love this video! really want you to check out class:y as most of the members are pretty good singers and would probably be somewhere on the list. keep up the great work
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
thanks! for class:y, jimin and hyungseo and boeun are weak to average and chaewon is average
@mashotaro2 жыл бұрын
@@k-idols3763 thanks! i really like classy’s vocals, they seem to be more stylistic rather than technique focused, which is really appealing to me.
@astrudcastillo33282 жыл бұрын
@@k-idols3763 do you mind sharing their ranks if they were on this vid? thank you very much for your hard work. 🫶
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
@@astrudcastillo3328 thank u. no I don't mind. Jimin and Hyungseo would probably be around miyeon and sullyoon, boeun would be around kyujin and chaewon would be below chaehyun.
@stefi29022 жыл бұрын
It's NMIXX girls!!!!
@nathanielgao87712 жыл бұрын
Hi! Great video--I know they're not k-pop but i was wondering whether u could give insight on where Fifth Harmony members would fit in this ranking? Specifically Dinah Jane, she has amazing vocal agility and midbelts and while her lows used to suck lmao she's been improving a lot
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I'm not familiar with them sorry
@paledangels2 жыл бұрын
ally would be above lily, she'd be AA-P. dinah would be A-AA she would be above ningning, lauren would be Average she'd be above winter, camilla (if u count her) she'd be W-A above yves and normani would be weak tier
@fan_blakpink6943 Жыл бұрын
Ning-ning the best vicalist 4 generation ♥️♥️♥️
@fan_blakpink6943 Жыл бұрын
Vocalist
@user-zz6dk6kb9h Жыл бұрын
you spelled lily wrong
@Lss125 Жыл бұрын
@@user-zz6dk6kb9h You spelled Nayul wrong
@user-zz6dk6kb9h Жыл бұрын
@@Lss125 she's not an idol and no one knows her
@Linaffsultra Жыл бұрын
@@user-zz6dk6kb9h she is idol. K-net say IU is idol, so nayul is idol to
@itsot12 Жыл бұрын
where would you put LE SSERAFIM yunjin in this list?
@daniellegula7506 Жыл бұрын
Yunjin and Yuri, Both of them are average right? Who's better?
@user-rb8vt4en2u Жыл бұрын
Yunjin is better
@xxfogartinixx Жыл бұрын
Yunjin without her HV voice probably she will be low W -A. HV is the only register developed.
@daniellegula7506 Жыл бұрын
Thank you both
@catstalk-id3857 Жыл бұрын
This is good but I want to know vocalist from less popular group as well 🥲
@joechandra4096 Жыл бұрын
so stop saying ningning is the best, she really needs to learn a lot!! don't give her unnecessary pressure :') even 2nd best NMIXX singer beats her
@fleija4822 жыл бұрын
I would like to see a well done analysis of stayc.
@suky1324 Жыл бұрын
don't sleep on weeekly
@tribuanapalipadang Жыл бұрын
QUEEN LILY
@fromista_sn2140 Жыл бұрын
well, everyone has their own opinion in therms of vocals (for me NingNing has the best technique, and no, vocal range doesn't define you as a stronger/weakest vocalist) i still don't understand how people who makes this kind of "analyses" puts clasical trained singers like Haseul and Yunjin in low tiers (and clasifiying singers in tiers is a nonsen btw) like, you all know how much it cost to be in an opera singer level? something to think about....
@90slunne Жыл бұрын
Being an opera singer doesn't make you a better vocalist, many vocalists in the fourth generation have better technique than Ningning
@deadblocko2 жыл бұрын
great content and i love how informative the video is! also, if you dont mind, i have a question: what would be kwon eunbi and jo yuri (ex-izone who are now soloists) tier placement? i can definetly see yuri being in the upper parts, tho i cant say for sure since i know basically nothing about vocals lol
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
yuri's tier is average and eunbi's tier is underdeveloped, eunbi used to be in weak but now she's in underdeveloped
@deadblocko2 жыл бұрын
@@k-idols3763 oh okay, thats really interesting to hear! thanks for the reply :D
@maxxboniao26222 жыл бұрын
Lily the strongest vocalist!!
@syafiraadlina25002 жыл бұрын
U missed out minji from secret number, she is a really great vocalist from my opinion just watched her vlive
@jaeiii15162 жыл бұрын
MONDAY>>>>>>
@lssmble2 жыл бұрын
I feel like haseul has better clips
@Tiki089 ай бұрын
Yunjin is an opera singer, isnt she soposed to be top tier?
@allykelly2 жыл бұрын
To clarify misinformation High larynx =\= tense/bad Chesty is belt not mix Belting is M1 mechanism Mixing is M2 mechanism
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
oh hey, i didn't think you would see this video. thanks tho, what i meant with chesty mix is unbalanced mix and chest dominant mix.
@allykelly2 жыл бұрын
@@k-idols3763 chesty mix isn't a thing it's belting not mixed voice you are misinformed
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
@@allykelly really? cause from what i've known chesty mix is an unbalanced mix and a chest dominant mix but thanks for letting me know :)
@allykelly2 жыл бұрын
@@k-idols3763 mixed voice and belted voice are different lol that's why there are 2 voice mechanisms M1 and M2
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
@@allykelly yep makes sense
@ceci74882 жыл бұрын
Omg I think Karina is better than Giselle
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
They're interchangeable tbh.
@itskyuri2604 Жыл бұрын
I love the vocal line 2002 🥰😁
@yvesus7 Жыл бұрын
0:35 orbits always rank her 2nd best vocalist after chuu tho 😭
@Lss125 Жыл бұрын
Chuu is 3rd and Haseul 4th/5th
@metkow2 жыл бұрын
what about Purple Kiss?, Swan and Goeun would be in top tier of this ranking
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
swan and chaein are in weak to average and goeun is in average.
@aughhstringer1162 Жыл бұрын
@@k-idols3763 aint no way i read this right.
@hyacinth65522 жыл бұрын
I have a question : Who is the best vocalist between Lia (Itzy) and Sieun (StayC) ´cause I see a lot of persons who rank Sieun above Lia and it’s surprising me a lot. And also where would you place them in this ranking ? Because I feel like Lia progressed in Sneakers era. Sorry if I made mistake or anything, I’m still not fluent
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
Sieun barely has any support compared to Lia who has some shallow support.
@hyacinth65522 жыл бұрын
@@k-idols3763 Thank you 😊 !!! I wasn’t sure if Lia has a shallow support or normal support and Sieun if she has no support or shallow support.
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
@@hyacinth6552 sieun has some very shallow support that wouldn't even considered support.
@jujuba40922 жыл бұрын
@@k-idols3763 lia has her Bb3/Bb4 support range because of her cover price ting and can't take my eyes off you cover
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
@@jujuba4092 those aren't the only songs where she supported, she has shown support in itzy's songs, in mujin service, vlives, covers, etc...
@Forever_2424 Жыл бұрын
Hey i have a question what is the support range of chowon of lightsum and she is stronger or weaker than Nayoung and juhyeon
@Noname-of8hg2 жыл бұрын
Lily can avoid Nasal is it because she has USUK singing style?
@doankimtuananh93172 жыл бұрын
Maybe that! Her singing style very similar to black vocalist technique.
@shinigagamimi2 жыл бұрын
@@doankimtuananh9317 what exactly is black vocalist technique? sounds like you dont know what youre talking about
@aliyyahbalogun26862 жыл бұрын
@@shinigagamimi exactly, people just come up with random things
@Forever_2424 Жыл бұрын
1:57 idk but i always gets goosebumps whenever i listen these
@ssamu756 Жыл бұрын
idk her tone is just so good to ears even though I know most of those are strains. She's my fav vocalist in kpop.
@Forever_2424 Жыл бұрын
@@ssamu756 but her.voice is really satisfying it feels so good
@ssamu756 Жыл бұрын
@@Forever_2424 ik her tone is really really sweet
@randomlyhere1112 жыл бұрын
3:12 that B4 was not even close to being supported. The Bb4 at 3:50 wasn’t good either how can you not hear the strain. And wow sullyoon is so much better than what i expected😮 + she’s better and more clean than kyujin, kyujin B4’s were all throaty. 6:47? Was this chest voice ?
@ayumii.i9 ай бұрын
Liz slayed 💗
@yudhistiramahasena1255 Жыл бұрын
My verdict would go like this: 1. Lily 2. Monday 3. Yoon 4. Ningning 5. Liz 6. Sieun 7. Chowon 8. Chaehyun Yoon is stronger in vocals than Sieun, but a bit weaker compared to Monday. Lily is unmatched.
@euniverse05192 жыл бұрын
it would've been great if you had put everglow's mia and sihyeon in this video too, they're so good yet so underrapprrciated...
@dumbdumb18532 жыл бұрын
They're weak vocalists sihyeon is the strongest vocalist in everglow
@euniverse05192 жыл бұрын
@@dumbdumb1853 besides, how do you know they're all weak vocalists???
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
sihyeon is weak, she has shown shallow support down to B♭3 and up to G4/G♯4 up to A4 at best. mia is underdeveloped, she has shown some very shallow and inconsistent support down to B3 and up to G♯4.
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
and the other members are non vocalists
@euniverse05192 жыл бұрын
@@k-idols3763 okay, but they have good voices and it's truly a shame that sihyeon isn't well trained (by their company's teachers) and that mia is so underdeveloped, but at least naming them to explain their good sides and points would be nice to see. this is the only thing i'm saying, didn't mean to offend anyone.
@bo43092 жыл бұрын
there’s been people saying heejin is better than chuu?? how far do you agree/disagree if you mind me asking
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
there is not a big of a difference but heejin is cleaner and more relaxed and less shallow, heejin does fine up to A4 she even has some okay and passable B♭4s.
@jang23862 жыл бұрын
I dont know much about vocal but I never expected Giselle > Karina in term of vocal wow :o i hope we can hear them sing
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
they're actually interchangeable, so karina=giselle
@chansclown51472 жыл бұрын
amazing video
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
thanks, no sorry I don't think so.
@WB.Midnight.thoughts Жыл бұрын
You've used older clips of Yunjin, she has downgraded alot since produce 48
@tenshi13862 жыл бұрын
Im seeing chaehyun and monday appreciation here, I love it
@kshil97132 жыл бұрын
missing purple kiss members :(
@rj_lab2 жыл бұрын
For PURE LIVE, without vocal enhancers without vocal back track of course STAYC and NMIXX. It doesn't mean live and they're holding a mic means they were singing live, NO! It should be WITHOUT BACK TRACK AND WITHOUT VOCAL ENHANCERS. *STAYC n NMIXX ONLY!* STAYC n NMIXX has all the LIVE FULL SONG VIDEOS...other idols doesn't have. Only snippets.
@leehyeji81932 жыл бұрын
where's jinni from nmixx i think she's better than sullyoon
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
she lacks singing materials that's why I didn't include her and no she's not better than sullyoon she used to be better.
@leehyeji81932 жыл бұрын
@@k-idols3763 but jinni have support right? her support is same as sullyoon
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
@@leehyeji8193 yeah she supports, it's just that she lacks materials and lately she sounds shallower than sullyoon
@little_N_mixx2 жыл бұрын
@@k-idols3763 jinni used to be their 3rd best vocalist right?
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
@@little_N_mixx yes
@thh9822 жыл бұрын
Why do people talk so much abt ningning’s lack of chest development as the thing that’s holding her back? Is it hard to improve that?
@dumbdumb18532 жыл бұрын
It's hard to switch a style. Since it's a habit of ningning to sing with light coordination when mixing it stops her from supporting stronger and blocks her resonance and her improvement. It can be improved but it's hard to change your habits. Like smoking takes years to quit
@thh9822 жыл бұрын
@@dumbdumb1853 didn’t taeyeon kind of do the opposite and lighten up her mix? like it was super chest heavy before or smth right
@dumbdumb18532 жыл бұрын
@@thh982 Yes taeyeon lightened up her mix but the problem with ningning is taht she's too light and needs to get a bit chesty.
@thh9822 жыл бұрын
@@dumbdumb1853 so it’s the opposite problem?
@dumbdumb18532 жыл бұрын
@@thh982 It's okay if you're mix is chesty or heady. The problem is when you're too chesty that you strain (siyeon from dreamcatcher) or when you sing lightly (ningning) if you're too chesty you'll strain and if you're too heady then there isn't much full/open/resonant voice to support
@jljl1695 Жыл бұрын
My fav 4th gen vocalist: Lily ❤
@itsot12 Жыл бұрын
@K-IDOLs where would you put blackpink rose, red velvet wendy, and izone yuri in this list? in terms of below/above which idols, not which category
@fin8253 Жыл бұрын
Wendy >>>>> Yuri > Rosé
@itsot12 Жыл бұрын
@@fin8253 really, you would consider yuri above rose? yuri never really struck me as a very powerful or controlled vocalist, whereas rose has both power and insane control
@fin8253 Жыл бұрын
@@itsot12 Yuri is at least average whereas Rosé is weak to average at best.
@k-idols3763 Жыл бұрын
wendy → proficient (B+) yuri → average (C) rosé → weak to average (D+)
@ryanlee35142 жыл бұрын
Omg Yves is the strongest?
@kaj98692 жыл бұрын
the way stayc wasn’t even here. tired of y’all overlooking them.
@k-idols37632 жыл бұрын
Please understand that I didn't include everyone here, and also they're not overlooked at all lol. Sieun and Isa are in weak, Yoon is in underdeveloped and the others in non vocalist. There vocal line is one of the weakest in 4th gen.
@lyhfml55822 жыл бұрын
bro u can’t expect the creator to remember all the grps in 4th gen