Kratos Doesn't Regret Killing Hercules - God of War: Ragnarok Valhalla

[@StareachValcin]

I'm actually surprised that Kratos didn't regret killing Hercules, especially since Kratos clearly tried to avoid fighting him. Kratos even admitted how alike he and Hercules were. At the very least, Kratos actually acknowledged how great Hercules was as a warrior, how dangerous he was, and how much he was after the god of war's throne for the wrong reasons.

[@causewecanthavenicethings]

Well, Kratos might have regretted killing him if Herc was forced to fight his half-brother. But it was Hercules choice to fight, he knew the consequences, so no regrets here.

[@theo-jamesmoulton2000]

Hercules chose that fight. To regret killing him would be to disrespect that choice. Not to mention hypocritical

[@ВладиславБулаев-л3э]

Well to be honest... Kratos gave him benefit of the doubt, given how similar their fates are - but Herc didn't listen. He made his mind up to eliminate Kratos to earn glory and power. That's why Kratos doesn't regret killing him. Magni & Modi, on the other hand, did not have a choice (although Kratos suggests otherwise before fighting them in 2018 game). It's either do as uncle says or end up like Modi with father's help. This is why Kratos feels pity towards them.

[@jbeast3385]

I wonder if they'll go in-depth about how Pandora's Box exacerbated the evils and insecurities of the gods. It would be an interesting analysis of the Greek gods in focusing on the differences of them from God of War 1 to their later portrayals in 2 and 3. The first game was very deliberate about how they're not benevolent, but they were still leaps and bounds better than their petty and vindicative natures in the sequels. Plus, it would be neat to see them again in some sort of afterlife setting, given the same level of writing of Ragnarok.

[@assassinsknight]

He give him an out. Herc made it clear he intended to kill him for his title.

[@dyrokudobane]

Hercules was basically told that he could just walk away, like many others, and that Kratos was only after Zeus in GoW3, but everyone wanted a piece of Kratos. Whether it was all worth it in the end - killing everyone just to kill his filicidal father - is another story.

[@BanishedSilentShadow3318]

Yeah Hercules gotten something that no other greek god wouldn't have, he had a choice to walk away but he was corrupted and wanted the title of god of war for himself

[@newhybrid101]

Its not that simple,while they could have walked away Zeus would have considered it treachery

[@BigVEE]

That is no choice at all. Siding against crazed gods that are the fabric of your homeland’s reality is dumb, but worse not to fight the psycho who would destroy it all (which Kratos does).

[@jacklaurentius6130]

The Developers gave a lazy answer: “Zeus is Olympus! If he dies then it’s the end!!!111” And somehow that’s supposed to make sense to us.

[@popopop984]

@@jacklaurentius6130I mean it’s not that lazy. Zeus is the main God of Greek mythology. He’s the one who killed Kronos. He’s suppoesedly master of everything. Kill ing him should have consequences.

[@newhybrid101]

Its actually a compliment for Hercules. He was too dangerous and powerful compared to the others he regretted killing. The guy fought Kratos when he had all those weapons and Hades soul inside him fueling him

[@basimali619]

I don’t think hades soul amped him, only allowed him to pass the gate. Also, if I remember correctly, an explanation was given explaining that hades soul was in the claws, not Kratos himself. (this is hearsay though)

[@aleger620]

Hercules Gow HAS NO SENSE.. if the original reason of the Labour are the same, it’ BONKERS kratos and Herc didnt join togheter 😂

[@greylithwolf]

You give the writers way too much credit.

[@Rixoli]

It wasn't that he was powerful compared to the other gods, it was, as Kratos pointed out, *WHY* he wanted to be god of war. Kratos didn't inherently want the title but Ares was too much of a monster to be left alive not to mention his slight against Kratos. Until Zeus backstabbed Kratos for all intents and purposes it sounds like Greece was doing more or less okay. Which makes sense, Kratos wasn't a raging sack of dicks that would betray and slight his champions or those who worshipped him. Indeed, Sparta literally fought to the last against Zeus, they were so determined to see "Their" god was honored. Hell literally "The Last Spartan" aside from Kratos fought against, the literal god of war even as just a mortal man and was enough to actually hold his own for a while, neither knowing who the other was. That "Last Spartan" was so full of conviction and respect for Kratos that he was willing to go through the same harrowing shit the literal god of war was to ask the fates to bring back Sparta, free of Zeus' ravages. Hercules was none of this. He was just trying to constantly one-up himself and be bigger and badder and faster and meaner and when you put an arrogant bastard like that in such a position of power? Nothing is going to end well.

[@thefirstcoolest7885]

@@aleger620I’m surprised he even allowed Hera to order him around

[@zaxbitterzen2178]

The only other God/Demigod besides Aphrodite and Hephaestus that Kratos didn't actively wish to kill, but like Hephaestus gave him no choice.

[@Duality2222-2]

He didn't actively wish to kill any of the other gods, he only wished to Kill Zeus as he told Athena at the end of God Of War 2. The other gods just got in his way

[@juju958]

@@Duality2222-2That is why I kind of laugh at this redemption arc of Kratos. Does anyone actually give a shit? Lmao. Everyone played those games to destroy some gods and some god pussy.

[@themanwithnoname3250]

@@Duality2222-2 Gamer, he ripped Hermes's legs off and gouged out Poseidon's eyes before killing them. I think it got a little more personal than what was necessary.

[@bobjones5370]

i dont think he killed aphrodite tho. Didnt he spare her after sex?

[@Duality2222-2]

@@themanwithnoname3250 Poseidon: Challenged Kratos in a single combat fight while also assaulting Gaia (however her names spelt) which he was riding on in his attempt to get to Zeus To Quote Kratos when he and Hermes meet: The fly on the ass of Zeus is hardly worth my time Hermes: Actively insulted and taunted Kratos before fighting him when Kratos caught up.

[@davidspooner4582]

Hercules: you we're always zeus' favourite Kratos: he killed me, my soldiers and destroyed my birthplace

[@IrishWarrior00]

Exactly. By greek god standards, thats 110% focus on kratos.

[@genesismultiverse4896]

Heracles: But he gave you a pixel game I WANTED IT FATHERDAMN IT

[@raulquiroz7492]

To be fair Hercules (at least in GOW 3) didn't seem like a very intelligent demi-god. The "air on Olympus" got to his head. lol

[@noobpro5346]

@@raulquiroz7492the air really did got to his head😂

[@katnguyen9746]

To be fair, Kratos was the only one Zeus ever acknowledged as a son and he was the gravedigger who helped Kratos back in the first game Even Athena didn't get pity from Zeus despite taking the Blade of Olympus through the gut for him

[@Erricane]

I had this theory as to why only Helios manifested in Valhalla. I think out of all the gods Kratos have regretted killing is him. Helios saved his life after all. Not only that but out of all of them gods, Helios' death affected Greece and it's people most. Maybe that's why only Helios 'returned' to him. Plus, it was also a clever way to replace Mimir's head with his during the Greek area in the innermost of Valhalla.

[@DJWeapon8]

Kratos saved Helios in Chains of Olympus. It was pretty much the entire point of the game. And Helios saved him at the end of Chains of Olympus when Kratos fainted from exhaustion and fell from the Sun Chariot and into the sea. And lastly in 3. Helios really had no personal beef with Kratos. He was fighting him to stop Kratos from killing Zeus and tricked him by lying about the Flame, yes. But he wasn't an active dick to him.

[@marvinnovilla4918]

Kratos probably feels that ripping his head off was too much since he only lied about the Flame of Olympus.

[@Sea-qv4sd]

I think Valhalla just saw Kratos was carrying around a severed head with him and saw it as a great chance to replace with Helios

[@calpone6399]

Kratos even says to Hermes that he regrets killing him in such a way

[@Mrbluefire95]

I think the second point is ultimately why Helios showed up. It was a clever parallel with minimal effort since he’s only a head.

[@bJT42]

Tyr is the greatest therapist in all the realms.

[@cyberrunner6529]

FACTS

[@clxwncrxwn]

And it turns out it was Odin in disguise all along. 😊

[@silverboltscrapper]

@@clxwncrxwn in Valhalla, it's the real Tyr. Not Odin's disguise.

[@luisalvarado754]

@@clxwncrxwn Odin is dead after the events of Ragnarock.

[@kalvin187douglas]

He has competition with Linda Martin (Lucifer)

[@GerardoFirestorm]

We spend half the DLC listening to how Kratos regrets killing the fool Helios, but for Hercules he doesn't even care xd

[@assassinsknight]

Probably because he remembers how Helios was in Chains of Olympus. He saved his life. A petty god would have let Kratos fall to his death after completing his task. Had he not been corrupted he might have even stood against Zeus in killing Kratos.

[@quinnfletcher3906]

Killing Helios plunged the world into darkness.

[@SuperPal-tr3go]

I think it's because Heracles admitted he was only following Zeus because he wanted to be God of War while all the other Olympians could be argued to be motivated by wanting to protect Olympus their home since if Zeus does so does Olympus. Also any of the Gods dying means the world gets fucked so them saving their own skins also means saving the Greek world.

[@zetareticuli6331]

Helios was a pawn being used. Hercules was just a lil bish

[@jacobnorris8256]

Helios was a dickhead but never implied to be evil at all, just someone in Kratos' way. Hercules would've just been a second Ares. Not to mention the fact that killing Hercules didn't have any real consequences while killing Helios very much did.

[@KrimzonFlygon1]

And at least killing Herc didn’t unleash a natural disaster on the hapless Greeks…

[@benwasserman8223]

I mean, he was tricked into commiting murder. So Herc and Kratos really have that in common

[@ricardomarquez7730]

That was still Athena’s plan and the evils contained inside Pandora’s box only enhanced what the gods of Olympus already were. Kratos even said it himself which was technically true since they kidnapped Deimos because of a prophecy of their demise at the hands of a marked warrior but they got the wrong one.

[@kampfwagen5037]

Cause he was a demigod?

[@Saddoggiemm]

That's cause he wasn't entirely a god right

[@JustSendMeLocationPlease]

That’s because Hercules was technically a demigod. Powerful warrior but no special skills or powers

[@eatandrun8020]

Kratos speaking calmly: "but driven by an uncontrollable rage" -- me thinking back to how Kratos smashed Hercules' face into a lasagna with his own gauntlets 😂😂😂Kratos please I was there, I was there smashing the O button and saw the whole thing

[@Mcl_Blue]

Like he said, the two are more alike than he cares to admit.

[@comebackkid44723]

Smashed Hercules face into lasagna with his own gauntlets is crazy 💀💀💀

[@thegameknight8916]

Kratos wasn't wrong, though. Hercules WAS dangerously jealous.

[@th3ra83]

Hercules is definitely filled with uncontrollable rage more than one think of. And just as Kratos said, he wants to be a God of War for anything but a good reason.

[@Kjf365]

Kratos' rage came from the family and comrades he lost, while Hercules' came from a place of jealousy and ego.

[@arontuske9348]

I love how this DLC is essentially a violent therapy session for Kratos

[@ImanFarsw]

Trash of a game

[@arontuske9348]

Personal opinion@@ImanFarsw

[@ChadKing69]

Facts @@ImanFarsw

[@lgd921]

@@ImanFarswcan’t afford a ps5 broke boi

[@streetside2833]

"You aspire to be an Olympian Hercules...yet their reign is ending." "We'll see about that..." I could recite that entire cutscene word for word i watched the fight like 300 times as a kid

[@user-bz7hz4jl1t]

That opening cutscene in GOW 3 is still unmatched imo

[@str8rippi]

​@@user-bz7hz4jl1t"The death of Olympus means the death of US ALL!!" "Well prepare for your death Poseidon" Kratos has a multitude of classic lines.

[@NewCanadianTurtle]

The Hercules fight in GOW3 is my favorite boss fight in all of video games. The music, violence, cutscenes, grittyness, it hit all my personal buttons.

[@cosmogcrusader5546]

@@user-bz7hz4jl1tZEUS! YOUR SON HAS RETURNED! I BRING THE DESTRUCTION OF OLYMPUS!

[@splinter360]

You sure it wasn't "yet their reign is at an end"

[@Alex_FRD]

Kratos gave him multiple chances to walk away, Hercules took none of them.

[@reverseflashfacts6093]

He was possessed by the evil of envy tho no?

[@ValentinoMarino11]

@@reverseflashfacts6093Most likely. All the pantheon got possessed by the evils of the world in some way

[@Aqua311]

I found it odd that Hercules was so loyal to Hera, considering she drove him to murder his family in the mythology, and the labors were his punishment. She was like what Ares was to Kratos.

[@josepreciado2479]

@@Aqua311from Hercules lil dialogue in God of War 3 it seems like he was selfish and only wanted to God of War position to stick to Zeus and to also kill Kratos cuz he was jealous which I feel is what made Kratos say Hercules was more like him than he cares to admit because Hercules also was driven by his own goal and revenge something Kratos knows too well lol

[@utopian4769]

@@Aqua311 It may not have been genuine loyalty, it was more than likely just convenience that caused them to have to work together. Both of them are loyal to Zeus and while Zeus is dealing with things on his end, he probably told Hercules to abide by Hera's orders since besides him she's the highest form of authority in the pantheon. They're also both corrupted by the sin of envy, so there's that.

[@AesirUnlimited]

Hercules was a legitimate rival and peer to Kratos. The fact that he doesn’t regret his death shows us that Kratos saw his fight with Hercules as a legitimate duel between warriors. It would be disrespectful to Hercules to regret killing him because he made the choice to fight, and as such accepted to potentially lethal consequences of fighting Kratos instead of walking away.

[@Kjf365]

Hercules was like Kratos but without a good human side fueling him. Kratos was so rageful because he cared too much about his family and people. Hercules was just egotistical and jealous. Like Kratos, but without the redeeming qualities. That's why he had to go.

[@uramisugi]

"Credit to you for knowing the difference." THIS is why Kratos is prophesied to be a better leader than like 99% of the Gods we've seen thus far in the games tbh .. the responsibility being the God of War or just a God in general requires is something Hercules simply would not have given a fuck about if he were put in that position of power just like the others before him (Literally in his fight against Kratos he was given the chance to walk away from a pointless battle that could have spared another casualty but his ego and vengeance cost him his life which mirrors a path Kratos could have gone had he not made efforts to become a better person)

[@Nguyenngocquocbao5]

Agreed.I also heard that Kratos mentioned the same thing that would happen to Atreus had he not improved himself as you just said.He would become like and Magni,Modi and Kratos himself in Greece,constantly being abused,become a war machine and died meaninglessly.

[@genesismultiverse4896]

Athena was actually Zeus's favourite kratos was the most dangerous

[@something1600]

Ironic considering that he tried to prevent her birth by absorbing her mother Metis the Titaness of Cunning.

[@genesismultiverse4896]

@@something1600 actually he thought he'll get a boy since girls for some reason can't rule

[@newhybrid101]

Athena was Zeus favourite overall, Apollo was his favourite pure blooded son,Kratos was Zeus favourite servant,Hercules was Zeus favourite demigod son

[@justinsanchez3286]

If I remember the Illiad correctly, Zeus allowed Athena to weild his shield and lightning bolt in battle, so definitely favoritism there

[@thefirstcoolest7885]

@@newhybrid101are sure Apollo was his favourite pure blood son? He turned him and Poseidon to mortals for attempting to dethrone him

[@TotallyToonsTV]

Kratos did give Hercules the option to walk away but he wouldn't hear of it. Hercules persisted in atagonising Kratos and got it into his head that Kratos was the favourite despite him being being chosen to live with the Gods while Kratos was cast back to earth as a mortal. Hercules had all the advantages and privileges too, Kratos has no need to regret a fight he was forced into.

[@randomdude8373]

"He was dangerous" Says the guy that's caused the destruction of a world to kill one old man

[@justinsanchez3286]

A wise man once said: Making the mother of all omelettes here, -Jack- Zeus Can't fret over every egg

[@jacobnorris8256]

Well yeah obviously Kratos was more dangerous, but that doesn't mean Hercules wasn't.

[@MrGrumblyBoi]

​@@justinsanchez3286 Fun fact: Senator Armstrong and Mimir share the same voice actor

[@justinsanchez3286]

@@MrGrumblyBoi nanomachines, brother. They harden in response to Sigrun

[@Jadefire1010]

"He was dangerous. And believe me, I know dangerous."

[@Dukesparrow1999]

Normally when it comes to someone saying they don't regret ever killing someone, the reaction I would give is "Damn, you are a soulless bastard" or "Damn no regrets?" But this was a very understandable quote from Kratos because had Hercules overthrown him, he would've done far more horrible things as GOW, so if anything, Kratos saved future victims from Hercules

[@aviniciussouza100]

Yeah, Hercules would be as bad, if not worse, than Ares.

[@FallenOne669]

For me, it depends on the why. Kratos had to kill Hercules for similar reasons why he had to kill Heimdallr. He gave them both a chance to walk away and not fight, but both chose to face him in combat. Their arrogance got the two Gods killed. But if Kratos were to say he didn't regret killing Hera, whose worst crime against him was calling Pandora a whore, then I'd know he hadn't changed at all.

[@MrOrcshaman]

While one could say brothers should always stand together, fact was kratos never grew up alongside Hercules, he only knew they were brothers after realising Zeus was his father, and by then the corruption of the greek gods had already happened. So they had no real bond, just respect from one warrior to another, the Spartans were more family to kratos then any of his godly ancestry.

[@basimali619]

Really the only brother Kratos had was Deimos, that was made clear in ghost of Sparta

[@neo-warkid4edwards222]

and now Mimir is Kratos' surrogate brother@@basimali619

[@gamergaming3843]

@@basimali619Still feel bad about Deimos, Kratos just got him back and immediately lost him.

[@Xandersama]

Given the way HOW he killed Hercules, its safe to say there was not one single ounce of regret at ALL!

[@FirstLast-cg2nk]

Tyr: "Do you regret killing Hercules?" Kratos: "No. Kevin Sorbo wasn't available for a long term contract, so we couldn't make Hercules a recurring character."

[@AB-fr2ei]

One of the best fights in the series

[@PariahRonin]

I thought the 13th labour - something about sleeping with a lot of women...

[@masonstewart6232]

Nah, that's just a pre-set or default for Greek gods

[@AhmedEnfp200]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@mat7083]

*When you learn about Zeus for the first time* Zeus: *Wakes up in the morning* “F%€|

[@genesismultiverse4896]

No that's the getting the belt of ares

[@josephusaquila5439]

Just like Kratos said on GOW 4, he killed many who were deserving and many who did not. Helios despite his beef with Kratos when Greece was still standing, he helped Kratos to some extent, making him one of the undeserving kills. Hercules on the other hand was as Kratos stated here was much like him, dangerous, driven by uncontrollable rage and wanted to be the God of War for all the wrong reasons, making him one of Kratos' kills as derserving of their death.

[@DearAnem0ia]

Tyr: "You regret killing him?" Kratos: "No." Tyr: "That's the spirit, kill those fucking casuals."

[@vio5500]

“He had a rage that was uncontrollable.” *flies into Greece and destroys the entirety of it during his first day as god of war.*

[@Firebrand128]

Atreus hears about Hercules "I have an uncle?" "You had an uncle."

[@pysky4u]

Apollo is probably still alive tbh

[@rambofan334]

"You had a lot in fact. Aunts too. Your grandpa's pullout game was fucking weak."

[@eoghanjones9042]

@@rambofan334”your grandfather was well known especially by women, infact he was the creator of the well Known like where theirs a hole theirs a goal”

[@squashmallow2006]

To be fair, like Heimdall, Hercules completely chose that fight. Plus he's not exactly a god. So there's no excuse of Pandora's Box for him. If anything, it was more of an honorable fight to the death.

[@justsomeguy747]

Nah, it’s clear Hercules was affected by the Evil Envy. He became massively jealous of Kratos. It’s clear he was so blinded by his rage and jealousy as he was delusional enough to believe Kratos was Zeus favourite, despite knowing his throne became vacant because of a plot orchestrated by Zeus which resulted in Kratos being outcast from Olympus and temporarily killed.

[@juliandacosta6841]

Hercules became a god upon his death to fight an invasion of gaia's offspring. GOW follows most greek myths aside from kratos' existence and pandora's box.

[@XJ0461C]

​@juliandacosta6841 There are many myths these games do not and literally cannot follow at all. Kratos also exists in the original mythology as God of Strength and Zeus's most loyal servant.

[@chgaming5059]

Kratos: I'll do it again this time more brutally

[@gavinlamp5426]

Despite his actions in Greece, I always like how Kratos tries to think about things logically. The last thing they needed was an Ares 2.0. They say Greece was destroyed, but I always liked to think the mortals rebuilt it without the need for any Olympians. If this is true, then in a sort of twisted way, Kratos actually gave Greece a chance to be independent.

[@MapleLeaf2501]

Well he did give hope back to the world with his "sacrifice." It would be very difficult but they could do some sort of rebuilding. Its never full on confirmed (IIRC) the actual state of Greece after he leaves and its been centuries since then. That and any surviving gods could have stepped in. Now gods like Artemis or Aphrodite, its debatable how effective they would be but its better than nothing, especially if they saw what came of the previous rule and decide to do better.

[@gavinlamp5426]

@@MapleLeaf2501 Yeah. I never liked the idea that Kratos would literally give mortals the power of hope, but it literally does nothing and Greece is just dead. That's why I believe the mortals there were able to move on.

[@vksasdgaming9472]

My guess is that Kratos made Greece weak and Rome took it over with their related gods.

[@FallenOne669]

Tyr even mentions it when discussing Kratos ripping Helios's head off. "An infamous act. One they still spoke of in the years of rebuilding." That means he visited Greece after the events of God of War 3.

[@darthmemewalker2807]

Seeing as how Hercules is one of the only Olympians kratos didn't want to kill, I think a part of him does

[@BanishedSilentShadow3318]

I think its more of he gave Hercules a chance to walk away and that he's only after Zeus. But Hercules wanted to be the god of war

[@darthmemewalker2807]

@@BanishedSilentShadow3318 fair enough

[@dustindubbo2892]

No Kratos gave him the choice to walk and he didn’t; it’s the same thing with Heimdall, he gave him a chance and didn’t take it so that’s on him.

[@darthmemewalker2807]

@@dustindubbo2892 good point

[@adorp]

Hercules wasn't a victim. He wasn't doing it for Hera. He wanted that fight. Other gods died because they came in the way of Kratos's bloodlust and blind agenda of vengeance agianst Zeus. But his fight with Hercules was its own thing. It was Hercules who had a blind agenda against Kratos.

[@sparta-lf4lv]

The god of war consulting with the god of therapy

[@Arboncara]

tyrapy

[@redrexix8106]

@@Arboncara This comment is too underrated.

[@mohamedkabbaj5508]

"he was driven by an uncontrollable rage" Said a man who demolished the entire Greek Pantheon

[@benwasserman8223]

Clearly Kratos isn't a Kevin Sorbos fan either. XD

[@evantambolang3052]

Fr since he's also a very narcisstic douche

[@genesismultiverse4896]

Really? I liked him

[@UltraPoseidon]

He's an okay actor, just not a very good person.

[@Gorypaladin346]

To be fair Kevin's a dick in real life

[@carlosfandinosoto8506]

WAIT i heard that when they where recording his voice lines, he was kinda of a douche, is that true?

[@LordEyepatch]

Why do they call him Hercules? That’s his Roman name yet they tied him to Greek pantheon which he should have been called Heracles.

[@liquid1514]

Most likely because they only knew about his roman name

[@PMbarbieri]

@@liquid1514 They didn’t only know about it, it’s just more popular: the Sam Raimi series, the Disney movie, the movie with The Rock, pretty much every American flick on Greek mythology they always use the name Hercules.

[@liquid1514]

@@PMbarbieri If they were trying to be accurate why wouldn't they go with Heracles, it doesn't matter if the other one is more popular.

[@PMbarbieri]

@@liquid1514 Because God of War has never been very accurate to begin with, and this is only one example. There’s also the fact that this Hercules is a reference to the Sam Raimi version, as he’s voiced by Kevin Sorbo.

[@dbt4869]

​@@PMbarbieri Or because no one gives a fuck because it sounds better better

[@karlgabrua]

Good thing he didnt need to mention how he turned his face into pancake

[@lorenzorodriguez9481]

I never liked how Heracles was depicted in the GOW games. Kratos was right that both were the same. Both were sworn themselves to the gods, both were made champion and both were driven to madness by some of the gods into killing their families I would suit better if Heracles were jealous of Kratos because his brother managed to break free from his chain but Heracles never could. Having lost his wife Megara and his children, he has nothing. He just wants to die a warrior's death. Kratos might even respect the guy

[@cyclonesama8147]

I hope he comesback for revenge revealing to be alive but with a mangled face, would be a cool fight to see

[@Mercury-ok8ie]

Bro his brain was made into mush

[@RedFlameGamer]

If he survived having his brain tenderized, I doubt he survived the ensuing devastation of Greece as a whole.

[@cyclonesama8147]

@@Mercury-ok8ie Yeah he could be a Brain Damaged God lead by someone else wearing a Helmet to cover that handsome face

[@buddharocks492]

I was surprised and liked the call back to Hercules.. I remember the era of the first 3 games where we fought Perseus and Theseus in the 2nd one.. Everyone was super hype that Hercules was gonna be in the 3rd one and when it was revealed, it did not disappoint.. The fight did not disappoint either

[@vksasdgaming9472]

It still doesn't have most brutal finish of boss fights of that game.

[@kurtcometa4818]

Tyr's therapy session helps Kratos a LOT

[@EXEcosmoman20]

tyr is able to relate to kratos since he to is a god of war

[@zapatero1791]

im glad people are uploading some of the specific dialogue, ive gotten thru the whole dlc and exhausted most of the dialogue but i still havent gotten a lot of specific ones even after like 15 successful runs

[@hauldencottenfield869]

This DLC is retconning and I hate it. Herc was also affected by the evils of Pandora’s box. This is implying he was driven to fight Kratos by his own greed but that’s canonically not the case at all.

[@TaurusOxford]

The evils of Pandora's box didn't introduce evils into the Gods - it amplified the evils that were already present. Hercules would have been already jealous of Kratos but the amplified jealousy corrupted him beyond reason.

[@ExtremeMan10]

"A powerful warrior yes...but driven by uncontrollable rage" Wow that rich coming from you Kratos.

[@Jampolo_OG]

He literally said "he was more like me than I care to admit" right before that

[@ExtremeMan10]

@@Jampolo_OG The irony was of the statement he said. Guy has zero reason and right to tell that sentence to anyone.

[@buddharocks492]

​@@ExtremeMan10why not? Its called self awareness and he pointed out someone who was just like him

[@ExtremeMan10]

@@buddharocks492 Kratos is only self aware when its useful for his argument. He never was real with most of the bad stuff he has done, nor he never made up for them (which is no longer possible in his case). Calling Heracles a rageful baby when Kratos threw tauntrum when sisters of fate told him no is big double standard lol.

[@lucasmartinez5703]

Kratos is the authority on uncontrolled rage. So he's more then qualified to say that.

[@groovetomanny]

this therapy dlc going crazy

[@lnd8622]

Omg it's very bad and cringe lmaoo

[@G1Grimlock94]

Hercules still in Helheim after his death

[@chronic_hatred2k22]

Ya know, what's ironic? Hercules literally described what happened to Heracles(the actual greek character), and yes, he accidentally killed his family, which is why he did the original 10, but 2 were cheated out, so he became 12. He later did 10 more labors fun facts.

[@TheBrodyJody]

Does Kratos ever mention how the greek gods were also infected by the dark evil forces released by Pandora’s box?

[@TaurusOxford]

He mentions it during the last battle with Tyr, saying that the evils in the box amplified the negative aspects that were already present in the Olympians.

[@Ghaltouni]

Kratos: "I killed him because he was part of that whole Olympus thing" Tyr: "Olympus thing?" Kratos: "Yeah, Olympus thing"

[@robertobalderas4738]

It's funny that Kratos says "He was jealous of me--thought I was Zeus' favorite". Meanwhile in GOW3: Hercules: "While you were being crowned the God of War, I was sent to find an apple" I almost understand where he's coming from

[@hahamadeyouread214]

I mean, he showed it by making his face popped out cheek bones and a missing lip

[@aYtto]

"All i feel is regret after killing all those Gods... except for Hercules. Fuck Hercules."

[@jeffersonpierce5297]

Thats actually surprising that kratos didnt regret it even alittle bit. Even at kratos' most rageful state of his life he didnt want to fight hercules and even acknowledged him as a brother.

[@AnonKiesura]

probably because modern kratos recognizes that had he lived hercules would likely have just continued a rampage as bad as the ones he had done because they were so similar.

[@rolandnecros3604]

A Spartan recognizes a strong warrior and fights him with full strength. If a Spartan kills you with all he has, that's the epitome of respect you can get from a Spartan.

[@NoblePunk]

Kratos: Also I didn't like his movie.. how come I don't get beautiful queens singing my theme song!?

[@carnage51037]

I'm loving this entire dlc every time I hear a piece of music from the original games or see an enemy I'm filled with a child like giddiness, kinda makes me want a remake of the original 3 like the crash treatment

[@killerkdawg88]

The way I see it, if you give someone a chance to walk away, and they still choose to antagonize you, they chose whatever consequences are about to take place. Kratos is a brutal motherfucker, but most of the time he doesn’t start fights.

[@camronmckinney5826]

It’s still crazy to me that a he gave him a chance to walk away alive because even a blood-lusted Kratos saw no good reason for them to fight. Even went so far to state his case.

[@TaurusOxford]

Kratos gave multiple Gods a chance to walk away. Helios most likely would have been spared had he not tried to blind Kratos and then lie to him. Hermes and Hera would have lived if they had just kept their mouth shut.

[@bonelesschickennuggets1868]

I think current Kratos would still try to kill/stop Heracles for how warmongering the dude was, to the point they were very similar to each other. This Kratos isn’t a pacifist, there’s a difference he ain’t afraid of putting villainous mfs down but he’s more aware of the possible consequences. Like, killing a god Can result in the sun never shining ever on the land, that’s catastrophic consequences and it’s very understandable for Kratos to be more cautious

[@petermj1098]

@@bonelesschickennuggets1868​​⁠​⁠​⁠ Hercules was irresponsible and didn’t care about keeping order. Every other Greek God actually cared about keeping order in the Greek World by stopping Kratos’s rampage.

[@AugustoCuervo-hx9pr]

What Kratos means is that, Hercules serves the gods for fame and glory, and by turning himself the new god of war he would have not saved Greece from its tyrannous gods.

[@CoffeeManiac20]

Clearly Kratos respected Hercules. He calls him brother during their encounter so my guess there also were brothers in arms at some point (no pun intended) he doesn’t regret killing him because he died a warrior’s death

[@LaPtaVerdad]

But he was driven by an uncrontrollable rage... I meaaan

[@HoliGallistur1023]

I love how's Kratos is going through his past memories with this journey

[@kienphucnguyen2001]

Yeah, I remember when his face get totally fucked up by his own weapons. Fatality

[@enderethan144]

I’m still curious about what happened to the other Greek gods & goddesses after GOW3. Athena, Aphrodite, Apollo, Artemis, Dionysus, Demeter, Hestia, Eris, etc. where the hell were the six gods we never saw (except Artemis) during all of that?

[@GeaForce]

Kratos stories are like: - I had a daughter. She died. I killed her - I had a brother. He died. I killed him - I had a father. He died. I killed him

[@pysky4u]

- I had a mother. She died. I killed her

[@vksasdgaming9472]

​@@pysky4uI killed two uncles, dad's wife, grandpa, half-brother, brother and aunt as well.

[@I.G.S.A.N.A.G.M]

In Hercules defence. Pandora's box did affect the gods.

[@alxiong]

Kratos did tell Hercules, “You don’t want the smoke little brother.”.

[@aviniciussouza100]

Hercules was the one enemy, besides Hephaestus, who Kratos tried to argue to walk away. Perhaps because Kratos knew of his history and how they both suffered by the hands of the gods, but Hercules prefered to keep Olympus's reign instead of ending it.

[@Lacucarachadefuego]

“He was a powerful warrior driven by rage” where as Kratos was…. Oh wait

[@crazyjoe91682]

Like he said in Ragnarok about Hercules- a powerful warrior, but driven by an uncontrollable rage. Kratos does not want to walk down that path again.

[@applejuiceandy4920]

Yeah this is what we totally wanted God of War to become. An old tired depressed Kratos having a therapy session explaining his actions from when he was actually an exciting character. "He is grown now and so mature. You just want shallow characters." God, AAA gaming is dead and Sweet Baby Inc killed it.

[@applejuiceandy4920]

@eldrideinherjar6711 Not at all. What you want is to take an established character and make him weak, sad, old, and depressed and call it character growth LOL. You can grow a character without completely emasculating him. Yet your type probably silently rejoices in the emasculation of established characters.

[@bluewing1744]

@@applejuiceandy4920 🤡

[@vksasdgaming9472]

​@@applejuiceandy4920So why you want one-note sociopath power fantasy that makes DOOMGUY look calm.

[@applejuiceandy4920]

@vksasdgaming9472 because that's the whole point of God of War. Making Kratos calm soft and mature is like making Ice Cream spicy and then insulting traditional ice cream fans.

[@vksasdgaming9472]

@@applejuiceandy4920 He has grown as a person. Into better person and he isn't calm or soft either. These games are great to fans of OG God of War as they continue the story and give Kratos chance to leave a good legacy.

[@Psilo-gn1sx]

No matter how many times I keep telling KZbin to stop spoiling this shit, it keeps coming up in my feed.

[@LoneHermit]

To be honest, Heracles was kind of a dick for no reason. Bro has his own legend and he thinks Kratos is taking the spot? Nuhuh dude, the people of Greece love you and fear Kratos as a monster.

[@aleger620]

Hercules GOW has no sense..the fact Hera is there above smiling and drink while they are fighting to their LAST BREATH and Hercules labors born from the evil of Hera and deaths of his family.. IT’S BONKERS both Hercules and Kratos didnt join together 😂

[@gojiraguy200]

I mean yeah Herc was one of the few GoW3 bosses Kratos explicitly asked not to fight, dude did not have to be such a dick.

[@KingEgyptian]

Kratos is an absolute hypocrite.

[@alphaghoul]

Cold, looks like Hercules won’t be remembered fondly.

[@Vidadrainer]

Not gonna lie, It's hard for me to get into this more deep profound Kratos. A part of me likes the previous version from GOWIII, thinking back I would play that game over and over. However this one it's more like a one shot for my taste! Definitely an upgrade in character of course. That's a no deny

[@Jefftoucheslittlekids]

It’s called character development

[@Vidadrainer]

@@Jefftoucheslittlekids Congrats for finding out!

[@Jefftoucheslittlekids]

@@Vidadrainer I spoke my truth

[@Vidadrainer]

@@Jefftoucheslittlekids I was saying this as irony since I already knew it's called character development (which in more deep can be called hero's journey on script)

[@ImanFarsw]

​@@Jefftoucheslittlekidslmaoo since when was becoming a yapper a character development 😅😅

[@SneakNationCEO]

I have always wondered why Kratos chose to kill Helios in such a brutal manner. I guess what he said did come true, that he [Helios] would lead him to Zeus, but he could've killed him mercifully like he did Mimir. He was completely bent out of shape anyway.

[@Forsparda]

right like kratos wanted to be god of war for the right one

[@mohabalserafe3795]

None of them were That's literally the point he even admits that Hercules was pretty much like him

[@kirayoshikage9218]

He never want to be god of war in the first place he just want to get rid of his past

[@Forsparda]

@@kirayoshikage9218 I think its more accurate to say he didnt set out to become god of war, he didnt exactly refuse it

[@mr.eternal4439]

"You inspire to be a olympian ,yet their reign is ending hercules.........."

[@subzeroh2622]

😂😂 I’m surprised that he doesn’t regret killing Hercules just the fact he beat his fucking face in lol

[@jvoz671]

Well now I feel justified for all those button prompts

[@dmacus68]

Man imagine if Hercules and kratos teamed up

[@chaseonfroy]

Kratos told Hercules : "You're not that guy Bro" That would trigger anyone

[@JavierMartinez-oj3rg]

what about him trying to convince him that he didn't want to fight him even calling him brother as he did no want to fight at all but had no choice yet kratos failed to mention he tried to persuade him not fight him and just wanted him to say out of the conflict im guessing the damage was to far gone to ask for forgiveness since he can' take back a life lost.

[@petermj1098]

Kratos wasn’t trying to persuade Hercules. All Kratos told Hercules to do was to get out of his way to kill Zeus or else.

[@thejivedroid6897]

God of War : Therapy session

[@BorreloadMJ]

Heracles, Hercules is the Roman version of his name

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

You can blame Disney for people knowing the Roman one more.

[@BorreloadMJ]

@@DarkAdonisVyers I think there were other shows before that movie who were calling him Hercules too

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

@@BorreloadMJ Yes, but the Disney version is definitely the most popular one.

[@jdmyrick-smith7931]

fun fact Hercules is already god of an arguably better domain Heroism and Heros

[@Cooky_McGee]

this reminds me: what happened to Aphrodite?

[@ffafnir]

And to be fair Kratos did gave Hercules a chance and tried to speak with him first even calling him brother like a hommie.

[@BCC-cc8lz]

Considering how unhinged god of war 3 Kratos was, the fact that he tried to talk Hercules down from fighting was nothing short of a miracle.

[@Aristocles22]

Good that the real Tyr gets some lines in.

[@shadeofshattered3]

What would of Hercules done that you hadnt done if he became god of war

[@localdude2979]

A Canon (OFFICIAL event in GOW ASCENCION) event is that Before Kratos, Hercules was humbled by Tag Team of two Champions choosen by the gods on a competetivive match, while it was just a match, the two champions went all out and defeated Hercules, hitting his head over and over again, however since Hercules was stronger and more durable than them he took the punishment without his head cracking open like he did on his later encounter with Kratos in GOW 3.

[@TwisturFox21]

Simply put: Kratos killed Hercules because Hercules was not Him!!!!!!

[@splinter360]

He gave him a chance. 5 minutes later his face was mush.

[@ZonnexNecton]

Hercules would have hated Kratos more if he spared him. He rather die a warrior’s death than a sympathetic mercy. Hercules would have killed Kratos, too. Kratos had always looked up to Hercules, and as evidenced in Valhalla he never regrets combat him to the death. The only regret is coming across him, knowing full well one of them won’t make it out. The thing I admired Hercules during the battle in GoW3 is that despite losing his armor and Gauntlet, dude will still try to fight back even when the odds are getting slim.

[@thelaughingman6975]

If it was lore accurate Hercules then he would regret killing him. Though Hercules wouldn't want God of War title since after his death, he became a god. And he wouldn't even be near Hera.

[@shiroamakusa8075]

Well, considering what Kevin Sorbo is up to nowadays there's no regret at all for giving Hercy-boy a lethal facelift.

[@SuperPal-tr3go]

Was Heracles also affected by the evils of the Box or was that only the Gods?

[@machylbunnell968]

I honestly think it had an effect on everybody with God blood. Even Kratos.

[@tavernburner3066]

Yes, he was a god after all

[@BanishedSilentShadow3318]

Yeah he was effected. I remember a video that each god in god of war were infected by the 7 deadly sins. Hercules pretty much had envy

[@basimali619]

@@machylbunnell968problem with Kratos is, he was infected by hope, he just repressed it until the end of the game.