ARMOR BUFF? MELEE NERF!!! - Path of Exile 2

[@Kripparrian]

Dreamcore actually found the new armor formula, and it is indeed a constant change from 12 to 10, making armor a bit more than 15% more effective than last patch kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZ3Jl55njrdnpc0

[@panvxv5223]

Kripp, can you please tell how do you have 600 STR in the video? In my build I have +50 str belt, +23% increase STR body armor and I got the passives increasing STR by 5% and attributes by 10%. I ended with 400 STR... No idea what you did to get more

[@junk3996]

@@panvxv5223 get strength on nearly every piece of gear. and nearly every passive which has strength on it (there are lots of 10 str, 15 str, etc) with the 10% attribute passive, str 5% anoint, and 20% from body armour i have 722 str. i could even still get strength on my helmet (using unique) and boots kripp has 620 str in the video and doesn't have a weapon, rings or a belt.

[@AlexisTheDragon]

What if it's a flat 15%? Also maybe armour reduces damage by the BASE physical amount they do before modifiers? HAve you actually ever tested it, hit by hit? WIth no armour, and a lot of armour? Not just read the formulas?

[@52blue72]

@@panvxv5223 I had 600 strength with just polymath and strength on each piece of gear that could have it

[@panvxv5223]

But when we see Kripp's items he has only STR on shield and amulet. I even downloaded the new builder and to have 600 str I needed to give str to gloves, boots, rings and 2 two handed maces ​@@junk3996

[@krykry606]

TLDR: Armor got buffed, so mobs armor got buffed. Which means physical damage got nerfed. Which means majority of physical damage builds (which is mostly maces) got nerfed.

[@jedrusnowak3317]

And enemies ignore armour so its actually a warrior nerf xd

[@krykry606]

My warrior is 100% phys to fire convert, so it's a warrior buff for me though. Sucks to be a phys warrior though.

[@yeahbuddy-gj6xg]

@@krykry606 fire warriors are still meant to stack phys bro

[@yeeted42069]

​@@yeahbuddy-gj6xgyes, but the damage they deal is fire so armor doesn't apply

[@immortal7669]

​@@krykry606you do not die to phys damage. Armour is mitigating phys damage just fine but the issue is stuff like spells and elemental damage in general. Evasion mitigates almost everything. You are building into a defensive layer that you are already mitigating.

[@sanct4296]

I can’t wait for armour to be viable in Poe 3

[@TheSeth256]

"But it's totally viable if you take 15 other defensive layers as well!" /s

[@Haikara401]

“We love melee” -GGG

[@Dargor_]

PoE3 will fix everything.

[@folie12341]

Poe3 will fix melee

[@manuelhernandez2017]

I think you misspelled PoE 4

[@halloweentimemachine]

5:00 lol, this is amazing. monsters got buffed "more" by the armor fix than the players

[@jprec5174]

Classic ggg

[@10Neon]

That's fine. Monsters have it rough

[@ShaunhanM]

its always been this way, when they change the formula it affects players and monsters

[@MrRafagigapr]

The buff to armour break was make armour better lmao

[@newworldforward1842]

Good for 2h warriors..

[@zak2005]

Bro i could listen to Kripp talk about PoE forever

[@Hankblue]

At this point Kripp has uploaded like a 3 hour lecture series just talking about Poe armour lol

[@GE_Photon_Lord]

🍩

[@jorge69696]

Same. I don't even play this anymore.

[@RickCarleton]

I don't even play builds that use armour and still im invested.

[@LpSuffle]

Same. He just does it so well

[@TheSeth256]

So it was a Warrior nerf after all? The meme balancing lives on!

[@Dead_Goat]

no. My warrior is facerolling higher tier content now without fear.

[@yeahbuddy-gj6xg]

@@Dead_Goat one map in 15 mins wow!

[@newworldforward1842]

@@Dead_Goat And without ES, shield or evasion?

[@mdvedhjr]

@@newworldforward1842 higher tier means now he can faceroll not tier2 but tier 3 maps

[@newworldforward1842]

@ I think he probably meant facepalm or faceplant..

[@BathTeth]

If the PoE2 developers were engineers: "We build a great levee to protect you from floods. It stops all the small waves! Just don't get hit by a big one, then you're screwed."

[@BogDog9]

It'd be cool if there was some indicator to show that a particular hit will 1shot 'you' if you don't dodge it

[@GE_Photon_Lord]

@@BathTeth You are supposed to play armour with block. Mitigate small hits and block big hits. Nothing wrong so far, just poor number and formula balancing.

[@egdm1235]

@@GE_Photon_Lord "Mitigate small hits and block big hits" Block doesn't differentially protect against big hits. Whatever doesn't get blocked has the same damage distribution as not blocking.

[@GE_Photon_Lord]

@egdm1235 That's not the point...block is a left side mechanic that allows you to deal with big hits. Armour shouldn't mitigate big hits since you have block available. Block mitigates small hits too but you can't rely solely on it.

[@poe2_hc]

@@GE_Photon_Lord So how do I mitigate oneshots? Block is not 100% chance and I am playing hardcore, it only takes 1 big hit to go through. I need actual damage reduction.

[@merkinsniffs]

As an armor stacking warrior since day 1 this “buff” to armor is completely unnoticeable and feels just as weak as it always has

[@ShaunhanM]

there isnt much phys damage in the game so armor isnt that important, its almost always ele damage when people die

[@PeneLoco17cm]

Yep, the fact that you can mitigate phys with enough es and 0 armor says a lot about phys damage @endgame

[@newworldforward1842]

@@ShaunhanM I guess you play 2h warrior a lot... Like really a lot..

[@kskl2465]

"as a bad player since day 1.." works also

[@poe2_hc]

I feel more paper than before with my warrior.

[@dreamcore_gg]

Great point about some of the minions with partial conversion, also skills like Stampede with lots of small hits are a lot worse off against stronger armour on monsters

[@Limecat88]

As Raxx said, 15% of 0 is still 0.

[@newworldforward1842]

Indeed

[@UlfMTG]

Kripp's Armor Crusade continues

[@waylanddavick9459]

Deus Vult! lol

[@ironmankc8142]

I don't understand how I have a level 92 Titan with 5500 health, 75-80% res, 74% block, 11000 armor and I can just outright get one-shot when I watch energy shield builds running rampant without a care in the world with 10K plus shields and never die.

[@kkplx]

As an energy player, don't worry anyone on less than a mirror also gets regularly bent over on es.

[@BetaTestCoin]

thats your problem 5.5k health, you can achieve like 9K, and if you run veil + blackbraid you can ignore res go up to 13-14k hp and focus on str and maximum life, just make sure you have a fat shield with nodes %defense upgrade, you can reach 20K armor easily and even 60K plus when getting crit/projectiles, so yeah your problem is low hp pool with armor not armor it self. you need jewel % hp per grand.

[@luqtiz1]

​@@BetaTestCoin good meme

[@Brotection_]

You're wrong! You're wrong! It's more like 20k with grim feast... hehehe

[@rainblue8005]

I have warbringer with around 90% block with turtle charm, 3k life and around 10k armour, 80% fire res and rest 78%. It's pretty unkilable. But then I have spark with 5k mana + MOM and 5k es grim feast so 10k es. Gotta say spark deletes everything fast so it feels tanky af. But if i had to leave char afk in mobs then warbirnger would survive way longer. But against oneshots es + mom is superior

[@andreiga76]

They didn't specify +15% armor buff where it goes, we assumed to our chars and we assumed wrong.

[@jedrusnowak3317]

Ggg are amateurs. Poe 1 was lucky accident

[@DCADE94]

@@jedrusnowak3317 ok

[@thesunryze4658]

@@jedrusnowak3317 10 years of lucky accidents over and over again ? That's a cope right there

[@josch4425]

@@jedrusnowak3317 poe 2 makes fun and is a good game. Guess they have their reasons why they dont change their success. But still .. buffing the mobs more than the armor type classes.. is a joke :D

[@Mrxlongshot]

​@thesunryze4658 dont avt like arch nemesis was good and didnt almost tank the game

[@HiddenStr3ngth]

People called this exact issue the moment patch was announced.

[@Kromzor]

The PoE Monkey Paw strikes again.

[@MrHadane]

I don’t think anyone in GGG mains warrior. This shit wouldn’t be happening if anyone did.

[@Jaguar-s7f]

They've always hated melee. Save for 3 months when cyclone got buffed to the moon (and then nerfed hard thereafter) in PoE1.

[@andreiga76]

In the livestream DM was teaching the game director how passive tree for warrior is bad, it took a moment for the GAME DIRECTOR to see it's bad, what do you expect as a result? In that moment I understood they don't fully understand their game. Another moment was, the bleeding "should" bypass shields. Anything related to warrior is fucked, and we will get a lot more melee classes, guess how they will behave?

[@usernumber4]

I don't think anyone of them ever plays it :D Game optimization wouldn't be like that in the game if they check it on system which they set min/max requirements :D

[@gsczo]

@@andreiga76 He mentioned the reduced attack speed from the warrior tree, and those nodes are NOT bad. People just don't understand how warrior scales and thinks he plays like other classes. The reduced attack speed nodes gives a lot more increased damage, and warriors only need to juggle attack speed until a certain amount, the increases of attack speed can easily be converted to even more damage with those nodes. Warriors have a lot of fixed skill times, and attack speed increases don't do much, but some other builds can be benefit from attack speed like fissure builds. Warriors also have totems and bleed as builds, also, not attack speed reliant. People who quit warrior are either bad players or just too ignorant on how the character function, warrior won't be buffed because GGG knows the power of the class, the problem stems from other unrelated things, and most "warrior" problems are due to the fact that monsters have an insane amount of damage, like elemental spells. Warrior as class is really good and actually incredibly well designed with the amount of combos it has, but people assume they know everything without investing a lot of time to practice with the class.

[@10Neon]

@@andreiga76 Eh, this isn't worrying on its own. It's literally not in the job description of a game director to know all the details of how the game works. It should only be worrying if it's a designer with that knowledge gap.

[@SilverSmurfer-fn5pr]

Game developers have been ranged based for 20+ years. They don't know how to make melee.

[@trueskyte]

Well Monk is pretty cracked right now, it's just that Warrior and Armor sucks.

[@SheepanoidTV]

@@trueskyte Callin Monk ''Melee'' is a bit of a stretch.

[@SilverSmurfer-fn5pr]

@@SheepanoidTV yeah Monk is "melee" yet everyone i see playing monk plays it like a ranged character.

[@ugurcantorun]

To me it's not " they don't know how to make melee" it's just a lot easier to dodge boss mechanics as range, but U eat everyone of them as melee

[@kriskenmonroe1]

Grim Dawn has great melee builds

[@SDZ675]

The fact that cloak of flames corrupted can go up to 48% conversion and with 75-90% fire resist that's 36-44% physical damage reduced all the time makes armor completely unusable. can't even imagine how much armor you need to even come close.

[@kernoleary1394]

armor works WITH conversion, what do you mean?

[@alexbrestowski4131]

Yeah you have no idea what you’re talking about

[@321750101]

@SenkaZver armour applies pre conversion

[@llqauuutxcoridusm]

it goes up to 49%

[@bobbobb5759]

Cloak of flames is also a meme, any serious warrior is just going Morior.

[@amindamok]

Armor buffed. Still gets you killed. I understand why the values are shared by the player and the mobs. It makes sense. However, mobs arent built using the restrictions of the skill tree. That is why it would make more sense for the skill tree to provide more of the changes to balance.

[@bobbobb5759]

Armour/phys hits isn't what kills people/warriors - elemental is almost the case.

[@Gerald0613]

The idea isn't that you are invincible

[@ornurbaum5312]

no it doesn't make sense. If they want to buff survivability of armor users but not the one of mobs they should change the formular AND reduce all monster armor values by 15% in the same patch. However all reports where about "armor to weak" and not "phys damage too strong". quite contraty. phys damage is at an disadvantage vs ele damage. phys damage has to overcome armor so you have to somehoe incorporate armor break into your combo meaning you need to first hit the enemy with one skill to break armor and then with another to damage/kill them. meanwhile elemental damage has access to elemental resistance penetration which applies from the first hit, no need to set up. And if the ele player wants to "set up" (for example for bosses) he can reduce the ele resistance even below 0 for extra damage. To get the same effect for phys you have to use a very specific ascandancy AND spent precious ascandancy points to get the effect. And no "phys can stun better" is no good excuse. Cold can freeze AND chill, and cold also builds up stun meter (just not as fast as phys) and freeze is superior as it is better telegraphed than stun AND does not send half the enemies flying away (which means that the phys melee player has to spend half the stun duration to run back to the enemy and probably st up new totems etc. while the cold player can just keep up dps)

[@blackice4649]

you have to let that sink in with armour ... any damage that doesn´t hit you directly bypasses your defence layer and goes into your life with ES ... any damage that doesn´t hit you directly goes into your defence layer it´s straight up ridiculous

[@divinityai]

ES is not defence, it's more like "life"

[@newworldforward1842]

Hey, take the hint and make your alpha male warrior wear a dress...

[@SmolBold]

Why can't I have life nodes in my tree, then >:[

[@FlameForgedSoul]

You can, they're called Strength nodes.​@@SmolBold

[@livingforwhat2172]

people need to stop talking about ES like its some broken shit because its not. pob for poe2 is up. you can go test stuff out. without grim harvest with not so insane investment u get around 9k es which is 9k max phys hit with 0 mitigation(I have around 25k on infernalist and let me tell you its mostly not from the es but 90% resist and conversion). the only problem is lack of : 1- endurance charges 2- life on the tree or somewhere else 3-fortify even if they make armor oh so great it won't help that much with survivability without being able to have more life

[@DoeSeeDoe123]

Honestly , if they just add a node that helps mitigate the movement speed lose and a node that lets your total armor add to life or resists or something similar, armor would be fine

[@n8doggy733]

one thing they forgot to mention in the patch notes are these rare Eternal Knights that spawn now with every aura you can think of and they are harder than t4 AoA 😂

[@shawnhouston7882]

Those knights are just stupid

[@danzosarutobi6409]

Class balance in terms of map clearing speed is still not good.

[@NERDOFUNK]

Obviously, they said, balance comes later

[@Games4Kickz]

Unless it's intentional, why are the monsters not having their own formula instance so the constants can be tweeked independently between player and monsters.

[@Amonlith]

Not only, it also affected my mana and life leach on physical damage, as now I do less of it xD and I was like why the hell I have a mana issues now with my monk... Man what a bummer.

[@aaronhumphrey3514]

This balance change is pretty hilarious to me.

[@MrHarvP]

Glad to see someone being objective about the game instead of all the streamers who are on their knees for this game. I trust the game will be good eventually, but right now its not.

[@SolarPatrol]

I want to play this game but I absolutely refuse untill they make a lot of changes. I'll stick with poe1

[@lexsilencer9365]

Same feel here guys. There are hopes for poe2 being better but a lot of work is still needed. Poe1 for now

[@Voroniirijeglaz]

Poe1 is trash too​@@SolarPatrol

[@SolarPatrol]

@@Voroniirijeglaz too true but it stinks less than poe2 hahahah

[@hellbender27]

Kripp, I just wanted to thank you for your persistent testing and thoughtful reviews of the changes and improvements needed for the game. Your feedback is exactly what the devs need to ensure the game reaches its full potential by the time of its official release. Thanks for all your hard work! P.S. Marauder when?! Lol.

[@BlurredVision18]

It's crazy they don't have a separate balance formula for players and enemies.

[@lorcaran]

Or just lower all mobs armour values by the buffed formula value

[@dragonriderabens9761]

This Until this changes, GGG will NEVER be able to make melee balanced

[@Notivarg]

@@lorcaran That's exactly the reason formulas should be separate. To prevent having to change every single enemy when you want to change the player.

[@lucianosiciliano2439]

Are you a computer engineer or something to even know if what you're asking for is possible? Or are you one of those ignorant people who likes to write because it's free?

[@Deamon187]

@@lucianosiciliano2439 As someone who did programming a few years... yes, yes it is. In a array you can simply add a [player] tag and if said tag is present it should be affected by formula 1, if not use formula 2. Simple in MOST programming languages.

[@archyf34s]

Gosh, all they needed to do is to add bonus hp% to every armor nodes in passive tree or at least some of them, like there is dodge+armor nodes

[@chaddrusso8850]

As a barb/warrior enthusiast this brings me back to the early d4 days of “nerf barb” as the solution to everything lol

[@newworldforward1842]

GGG listened!

[@nepocrates]

Thank you for the information, your videos are always clear and concise about the issues you talk about. Being new to PEO and being one of those players that is maining a Warbringer shield and 1h mace and I appreciate understanding what I am seeing in game.

[@Semapriel]

GGG Should of just took the time to develop two defense formulas. The current one we have but a separate formula for mobs. Even if the two formulas would be similar, using different Variables in those formulas you can keep them sperate and interact with each other differently. Basically have each formula in its own container; one formula is calculated for the character based on a var if a mob is attacking, and the other formula calculated for the mob based on a var if the character is attacking. This would also solve the issue if needing to buff armor for one side you wouldn't need to have to worry to adjust for every single outcome. Edit: I am aware there are multiple defense systems basically use the logic for those as well if need be. I mainly was explaining as an example for armor since that is what this video is about.

[@theminusziskey9175]

Meanwhile, the PoE2 Community: "GIT GUD" "IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL STOP COMPLAINING" "THE GAME IS ALREADY PERFECT" "GO BACK TO DIABLO 4" "YOU'RE NOT PLAYING WITCH?!" Not all of them, mind you, but the vocal ones when you point out the game needs improvement.

[@ktrizzle6098]

You'll see some idiot playing ES full screening with herald of ice or some other broken thing, killing the bosses in 3s before having to dodge a single mechanic and they'll be like "go back to d4 if you want it to be easier." It's like using full summons to beat Malenia and then telling someone struggling with it playing no summons to "git gud"

[@alexbrestowski4131]

Because yall are annoying

[@alexbrestowski4131]

@@ktrizzle6098 yeah because that’s how easy it already is for people that know how to play. Imagine if they made it easier for noobs like you, then the good players would actually be snoozing

[@horyzons91]

​@@alexbrestowski4131 hell yea

[@alexbrestowski4131]

@SenkaZver “soulsborne immigrants” you mean the highest caliber of gamer

[@Playguu]

Between the armor buff and getting Block up to 75% I've been feeling a lot better about surviving on my more traditional AoE slam Titan.

[@Mordiaken]

I'm also hoping for a new season, noticed these changes as i was doing some testing on my final build video myself. needing a meta shake up and changing to everything overall and a fresh start, thanks for the update Kripp

[@MuriloBlkViper]

Love how Kripp is totally anti-hype on very first seconds of the video already. PoE creators are usually so overly positive around any minor stuff about the game, so is a bit refreshing someone more straightfoward about PoE

[@lexsilencer9365]

True. Thats how it should be

[@caw1337]

TLDR; Company with long history of short-sighted balance changes makes another shitty balance change.

[@NicholasDarling]

There's no way the number crunchers at GGG couldn't figure this stuff out, this is a huge problem when it comes to management, absolute insanity.

[@AlqantDBlank]

TBF, GGG isn't a incompetent company, and a lot o players trust them. It makes me wonder if armour as a whole is just difficult for them to balance without breaking other things.

[@DoctorStrange01]

@@AlqantDBlank Can't help to think that in some aspects, they actually are incompetent. If they weren't, this armour thing, or this kind of balance i.e. 3 ascendancies being so ahead of everything else would get a pass :D There's no way they couldn't just emulate these builds or something close to that in their studio and now they're looking at players and say "hey, that's clever, we didn't think it would work like this !" :D It's a weird thing to say that they've decided to make armour completely useless because if they didn't, it would break other things. That would imply they don't communicate with each other about crucial design decisions, which is hard to believe. It's also hard to believe this is what they came up with and didn't see a problem with it during development. I'm sorry but this screams incompetence if anything :D And from that interview with DM and Ghazzy, it looks like it's very tough for them to admit that they've messed up some fundamental things in this game, because that would go against their 10+ years of experience from PoE 1, and what they said prior to launch of PoE 2 (i.e. PoE 1 is too broken to fix it, but we will fix it in PoE 2 !). For some reason, other ARPGs can make it work way better, but GGG is completely hell-bent on this hidden, overcomplicated hidden math thing that just makes some mechanics worse than better.

[@AlqantDBlank]

@ Yeah what I said doesn't make any sense, but given the reputation they have, fixing armor or melee in general shouldn't be a difficult thing. But then again, everything you said is true and makes sense. I just want a good damn ARPG man. There's nothing out there.

[@Gigabomber]

Their programmers are lazy and they will never balance the classes. They didn't have to program the stun, armor, and other mechanics to be same variable for both the player and the enemies. This isn't their first game. They have no excuse.

[@dumbdev9795]

they had a week for this patch. my guy you want game changing changes that should be thought of, approved, implemented and tested in a week. this is not possible for any company out there

[@Brownboy42069]

I mean I love GGG but at this point in the armor saga, this is incompetence is it not?

[@HallsteinI]

GGG literally can't make melee, they don't know how to design it. God bless their hearts for trying but it's not something they have ever managed to get right.

[@肉絲蛋炒飯-b4y]

They literally removed ascestral totems 25%more attack speed and rage attack speed. Now they made passive notes that reduce your attack speed. I dont know why ggg is so obsessed with low attack speed, but if they dont change it melee will never be good

[@aaronhumphrey3514]

I think the issue is something that a lot of game studios suffer from: namely that game designers are not hardcore gamers. This seems to often cause a disconnect between game designers and their hardcore players.

[@Kingarachnis]

@@肉絲蛋炒飯-b4y are you serious ? I literally run a ancestral totem molten blast build

[@肉絲蛋炒飯-b4y]

@@Kingarachnis poe1 ancestral protecter totems. It used to give 20% more attack speed they're now removed

[@dirtnap9641]

Call me pessimistic or over-reactionary, but i dont really have confidence in GGG moving forward. The last 18-24 months of PoE had already been moving in a direction that i didnt enjoy very much and this has just perpetuated that feeling.

[@xxQrchinaxx]

Its obvious that none of the devs plays warrior or armor based mellee builds. There is no way that literally whole Warrior and Merc side of the tree is absolute dogshit on top of that phys dmg is way way weaker then elemental dmg.

[@HiddenStr3ngth]

Yeah wtf. I was looking at sorc side of tree, it even has more life nodes than warrior/merc. Which has basically nothing. And has some really strong nodes with multiple benefits. While warrior/merc side, wants some damage? Take that reduced attack speed too. (they haven't removed it, right?)

[@dodang_9147]

armor didn't really change for warrior or melee physical builds. here's why. If your monk like chaos monk that uses whirlwind assault+temp bell to proc million small melee hits. Chaos monk are all using Poison right now and because they're all using poison. there is support gem called corrosion which makes so that poison breaks 80% of armor. the reason why poison monk are using this is because the clear currently for physical monk is ABYSMAL. when i say Abysmal, it is so terrible that it is completely impossible to clear maps without using poison ranger skills. If you are using skeleton archers. well they have skill called poison arrow and it does poison damage which... again works with corrosion support rune and than. if your using skeleton reavers.... well that build usually Skepter+one hand mace build that uses Armour break so you break armor, it doesn't matter. Most warrior build right now are ALL using hammer of gods with ambush and are stacking critical hit with Bleed or Ignite to 1 shot all bosses or melee units. So because of that, no warriors or melee really care about this armor change. If you think the people using tempest flurry with their 40% physical conversion care when they're screen-wide map clearing herald of lightning+Herald of ice on invoker monk, trust me, those elemental builds don't have issue clearing either.

[@yeeted42069]

yeah, i kinda fell in love with the earthshatter/seismic cry combo on warbringer but now I changed to warcry/corrupting cry only. I'm SHOCKED how bad the nodes are. And since there's almost no %life anymore except for that one 3%life node, getting tanky off of the tree is awful. and the phys nodes are a joke. Also no DoT nodes for corrupting cry in that part of the tree.

[@RickCarleton]

In the patch interview, Jonathan said he played warrior and thought it was fine. DMT was aghast at that.

[@dragonriderabens9761]

@@RickCarletonI’m calling bullshit on Jonathan’s claims

[@nerdhunt]

I’m glad they didn't nerf the only four builds available, but I’m bummed out they didn’t make all the garbage builds useful. Illusion of choice, million things to click but only four things work, at this rate D4 trees made more sense, since they actually did something meaningful, albeit not much choice, but there’s not much of a realistic choice here either. Fingers crossed though, I honestly want the entire passive tree reworked and have it be more synergistic, as well as traveling in-between constellations and not just the main pathways.

[@rabb1tdotcom-ie3vk]

I hope it gets cleared up. My natural style in games usually lies between warrior/rogue, so armor or armor/evasion is what I'd be looking at. I'd hate to have to consider playing against my style just to have fun. I wouldn't mind building into shield, but I don't have the spare points to build Int, and I don't want to be required to have item x to convert.

[@TheLeevitify]

How do they not have a system in place to modify player stats but not enemies stats at this point? Holy shit.

[@josephreynolds2401]

It's a stop gap change that needs a full fix and they're working on dozens of full fixes already, but most of the other ones aren't the flavor of the week. The solution GGG has talked about is going to involve bringing ES and Evasion down and Armor up. If the Armor formula works the same for player and minions, then it's a control point that they turn other variables around to make the value work. There's a massive content void, and breaking keystone values this early into balancing is a huge misstep. A misstep that no one here actually wants, even if they say they do. If I were GGG I would let some new uniques and craft changes take hold after the new season before I went through with significant changes. Who knows? Maybe Armor on gear needs buffed globally! P.S: The lack of armor enabling Uniques and passives really sets it apart from the other defenses.

[@guusess]

not 100% sure, but did they upped the armor from the first few nodes from warrior? I remember the first defensive levels giving +20 armor instead of +30 but again, I could be wrong, but if so, there might be more changes on the skill tree armor wise for the player.

[@Daothes]

It was 30 before as well

[@skurlock2063]

How GGG can feel Warrior is in a good place is beyond me. Mace skill tree is literal garbage and armour is the worst defense while also having additional downsides. Being unable to move while using the base Mace attack is just the icing on the cake.

[@zanido9073]

They don't feel it's in a good place, they said that in the live stream. Why are you spewing nonsense?

[@Asghaad]

@@zanido9073 there is difference between saying "we know its not in a good place" and "well i cant really say you are wrong there" ... one is realizing its problem the other is "yeah i know and i want it that way" ...

[@taoday118]

​@@zanido9073I watched the Livestream. CEO didn't appear to know how weak warrior is until DarthMicro summarized all the weaknesses for GGG. In response, the CEO barely acknowledged it

[@skurlock2063]

@@zanido9073 Jonathan literally said "my experience playing Warrior through campaign is that it's fine" which would suggest he does indeed think it's in a good place overall. He then goes on to say the problems at end game are probably subtle things that can be fixed in a balance pass.

[@Despond]

@@zanido9073 They said it was fine clearing the campaign like other classes... LOL and then they buff mob armor on top. Yeah, they certainly think warrior is in a good place lol.

[@majdan07]

I really enjoy The Armour saga, i'm excited for upcoming series

[@via_negativa6183]

Armor needs a complete rethink. For a start it should just a be a global damage reduction not just a physical one. Also the whole idea about being good against little hits is BS that's the last thing you care about when building a tank. Also needs some sort of compensation for such a huge movement speed penalty. Maybe inate push resistence or stun

[@maddognl]

Yeah, getting x% damage extra element damage on maps is painfull for warriors, the trash mobs start doing significantly more damage because soo much of the elemental damage goes through compared to physical (on weak hits).

[@Hankblue]

I mean you would care about little hits if each one did 500+ damage to you. I think they just need to tweak the formula, they don’t want you trivialising the biggest hits but it should at least give you a way better chance to survive them

[@HiddenStr3ngth]

@@Hankblue Tweaking the formula won't do shit.

[@GE_Photon_Lord]

Evasion prevents from small hits as well and it's the best mechanic ever lol. Prevents big hits as well but you still care about small ones. Also mitigating ele dmg with armour makes no sense in reality.

[@killerkonnat]

Funnily the way it's implemented in Last Epoch is that armor IS an universal damage reduction, and physical resistance exist among the elemental resistances in the exact same way.

[@danieljohnson270]

At least this means that the Vulnerability curse is more significant. I remember you saying that phys minion builds didn't really have a curse to use.

[@ironmankc8142]

GGG hates warriors...

[@charlesqbanks]

Thanks for doing these, Krip. I pray GGG sees these and realise they can't just keep buffing whole mechanics when players complain about specific things.

[@Heakz]

I really, REALLY NEED to know what philosophy, intent, rationality or whatever else drives the choices GGG make whenever melee is involved. Especially considering its treatment relative to any other playstyle. Many of the problems are not even new, they are holdovers from the flaws in PoE's systems that GGG never address despite people making it clear they wanted them to; people eventually just gave up. If it wasn't so consistently inconsistent compared with the the way GGG responded to complaints or solutions to complaints regards to ranged; yet supposedly they made PoE 2 with melee in mind. Technically, the armor buff applying to monsters kind of mitigates the buff to surviveability, what is they phrase? "The worst defense is a bad offense"; or something like that. 😅 I mean trading for example; it is a very flawed system but for good reason and it helps that we understand WHY GGG has it that way. Especially for those that are unhappy with the way it is, at least you know it isn't for no reason rather than because they are unable or unwilling to change it.

[@JahnSymonRivera]

Armor formula: 15% increase x 0 shit = 0 shit increase

[@nuke_looter5174]

I’ve given up on early access. I main warrior and don’t have 12+hrs a day to spend beating my head against the wall that is this games lack of reward for your time and my level 68 warriors defenses still feel borderline nonexistent. Only have two ascendancies and have made it to the final boss on cruel difficulty and it just feels the same as it has my entire play through with no change to gear or anything exciting at all so I’m not interested in the controversial endgame in its current state. Feels like I’ve wasted a couple hundred hours in this game waiting for that power upgrade excitement that I have not found.

[@orcasdli]

They are just incapable of doing what's right for the players. I have a level 93 Titan but cannot beat tier4 end game bosses by all means. My totem is even weaker than gemling legion build with totem which can do all contents with ease. Just delete these unwanted classess, GGG.

[@thor82ak]

Seems like something changed with Stun too.. Been getting stun deathed way more often than before in maps.

[@umngyr]

Frankly, i have to wonder how POE ever got popular, when so many of their mechanics are so badly designed.

[@ELVIStheDotA]

I believe cause at the time D3 was bad.

[@drothicyaaresh6915]

In poe1 armor is good because you have other defensive layers that reduce the damage of the hit before it goes to your armor. Those mechanics not only mostly don't exist in 2, but the ones that do work in the opposite order for some reason.

[@jedrusnowak3317]

Poe 2 is basicaaly a hype train of Poe 1 elitists. Game itself is trash

[@Mastabacc]

@@ELVIStheDotA It's somewhat fun, but I am a melee based person and when I played that trash warrior, I am thinking about dropping the game. But don't get me wrong, my main is a ranger and she's 77. Had a lot of fun with her, but I don't like to be forced to play other classes to do decent. It's the same with D4 with the barbarian. For some reason, these devs just hate melee and put too much love into magic or range.

[@ezet]

PoE1 has a lot better systems for all of this. Which makes this so weird that they've kinda forgotten all the good stuff they did in PoE1 in recent years. Has to be different people developing the game at this point

[@TheRealLavant]

"Enemies are tankier!" "Yeh I bet... by about 15 percent..."

[@TravisStockton]

So glad i tapped out in poe 2. Ill salute the chads that are sticking around to beta test gggs ineptitude and create the game themselves via screaming at the devs on the forums. o7 you are the true heros we met along the way. God speed.

[@Despond]

I got quite a few hundred hours, I don't regret getting EA but yeah it's a shambles of balance now and they aren't listening to anything in regards to proper melee builds. If it's going to be POErange1 again, no thanks.

[@TheTWH9]

Bro this content is so good. Kripp, please don't stop making videos like this for PoE2

[@Flakzor123]

Yea the excuse that "warriors have block" is just so divorced from the gameplay. Actually useable block takes lots of investment, at the time I've copped out somewhat and gone glancing blows on my warbringer since he is doing 95% of the work with molten blast and really only needs the shield to hopefully save him from oneshots. His block% is definately subpar compared to what it could be even with that. All the primary forms of defense scale with the gear but block does not it can only be scaled through significant investment of passivepoints from the tree and/or ascendancy. Huntress is going to be defensively cracked though with evasion and block... In other news my Titan's response to this supposed armorbuff was to put on a dress :) (hybrid armor/es with about 1.2k+400 and some other goodies).

[@hungsolo5562]

This content is gold for people like me. Been playing melee/armor titan since launch. No issues at all, one shot any boss any difficulty. Full screen map clear with stampede. 5k hp, 10k armor, 80f,78L,78C.75Ch

[@KosmatyWilczek]

4:19 Saying the best players and Quin in the same sentence is so strange that I had to pause for a moment and go out to warm up some lemon balm tea

[@EnderElohim]

huh neat my infernalist was pure physical summon Sniper build and i move to frost mage minions yesterday. Nice :D

[@zestylem0n]

GGG is such a lucky company. Instead of paying an army of QA testers, they get players to pay them to test out whatever dogshit unbalanced slop they feel like throwing out.

[@CringeConsultant]

I know right? All those players they FORCED into playing their game against their will... .. oh wait. Edit: Only the POE community could look at a dev team actively involving their community in the game balancing process and be mad. 😂 would you rather they ignore every bit of feedback the community is happy to provide to better the game to our tastes?

[@kryogen76]

I thought I was going crazy that it felt like I was hitting much less. Thank you for confirming I am not crazy.

[@Despond]

I swear they are just trolling at this point. Same POE1 mistakes with range/melee balance.

[@neals6348]

I was wondering about this;. I was farming trials and noticed mobs I was one shotting while acquiring power charges were taking an additional hit to kill more often.

[@MajWin]

lol armor got buffed byet.. the ones who needed the buff the most, gets a nerf from all this xD

[@nordfald3740]

THIS EXPLAINS IT! i was wondering why i suddenly felt like mobs were tankier than before!

[@Happy_Zulu]

The saga does not end. But these videos keep helping me learn the game. Thank you Krupp.

[@MrDodgeNDive]

I think the armour problem is exarcebated by how clunky the melee skills are. (Proposed changes further down) Mace is the main problem. All clunky skills. Magma strike overshoots ur target. Slams takes ages to resolve. Fissures need multiple buttons to run. Warcry adds another button to press. Thorns is a meme. Proposals: Have smoother moving cleave skills. Not a cleave with movement built in, I mean a simple cleave that you can use whilst running and strafing. Shield charge going through magic or lower mob would feel great. Warcry setting to trigger before x,y,z skills when available would be amazing QoL. Lastly, a 'parry' skill when you have a melee weapon + shield equipped for idk 30% added phys mitigation or something. Oh add sone life% nodes on the tree, put it on the outer rim of str section to minimise life to es conversion going out of control Even if Armour isn't "fixed", if melee characters can be more mobile and have the option to parry a big hit (yes we have dodge, but parrying gives you a more tanky feel and that feel is important) I think we won't notice the armour problem as much.

[@yeeted42069]

life% nodes on the tree 100%. I'm now a seismic cry/corrupting cry warbringer and I basically never use my main weapon. Only to apply armor break until I've got my 5+6 ascendancy and hammer of the gods every once in a while. The rest is all warcry spamming.

[@peacemac1992]

As soon as they announced that spell and attack dodge are now basically the evasion stat, it was clear that armor would be even worse than in poe 1

[@undomielle1173]

Now I understand why my minion build takes so long to clear one map since the update. It was not fast before but now it’s worse :/

[@eROCKaustin]

yup im in the same boat lol. i was just telling my buddy how i need to figure out a way to get my build to clear faster too 🤣

[@12deathguard]

Great video as always, thanks Kripp!

[@I_Am_Empyrean]

This is also an indirect nerf to leech since you can only leech physical damage. I'm honestly getting really tired of these devs constantly nerfing one thing(even if indirectly) but not the meta builds. It's like a completely different team balances the bottom-left side of the tree versus the rest.

[@jedrusnowak3317]

Ggg cant balance shit. All they do well is a lucky accident

[@Thecelestial1]

You cannot nerf warrior more. He embodies nerf. He is Nerf in totality. He is Nerf itself personified.

[@JujiK1]

Cool, my barely viable shout warrior needed a nerf. Meanwhile HoWA stat stacking monks still dropping bosses before they get a single attack off.

[@Lolabbad]

Seismic hit ignores physical damage reduction and corrupted blood is not reduced by armour, Warbringer totem setup also breaks armour so the build is basically untouched to slighty buffed

[@JujiK1]

@Lolabbad the build leans heavily on Hammer of the Gods to deal with bossing, due to the fact you can't scale corrupting blood dot nearly to the degree of direct hit scaling. That skill doesn't ignore armor, so no the build isn't untouched or slightly buffed. Not to mention the point of the post being the insane disparity of build performance and this change effectively nerfing the weakest category of builds while ones currently trivializing content going untouched is ridiculous.

[@Lolabbad]

@@JujiK1 but armour is bad mitigating big hits, hammer of the gods is the big hit skill, i know the video is about disparity but shout is still ok and pretty much the same, actual mace melee got worse

[@Steph1]

Kripp: armor is bad GGG: let me fix that 🧙‍♂️ GGG: all done, now melee is entirely bad 👌

[@Zakaluka-xy5jq]

pinnacle bosses have armor in the range of 15k AR. For most physi damage builds your reduction improved by several percentage points and your target's reduction improved by half a percent or less.

[@kjetilknyttnev3702]

Summed up: They didn't fix armor at all, it still negates little or nothing of the big hits. The increase on lower levels massively increase monster toughness, so melee basically got nerfed, and so did minion builds. Trust in GGG to come through on the big promise before launch "we have fixed melee!", as in "you shall never play melee again, POE2 is now a shooter".

[@smashmode2796]

Hey kripp sorry if you’ve already ran this. But trying out Titan necro. Seems to be higher per damage and you can run full tank/regen. Really fun build so far 1-80 is looking like 24 hours.

[@TheUbberman]

At this point, the devs should just hire Kripp and his companions.

[@mace7077]

Did notice my snipers got nerfed damage output wise, going to try run a few of them with armor break to offput this.

[@richjacques]

Worth going in on bleeds? Presumably that would bypass the armour?

[@musicdamar583]

''I do have faith that eventually it will be adressed meaningfully'' GGG: hold my beer The year 2030 and 100 armor/melee video's later.....

[@jtm-25]

If you’re a Titan warrior, try going avatar of flame aoe build with perfect strike for bosses. You can clear your whole screen with one round of mace strike if you build correctly.

[@hgjf3]

The graph table at minute 4:05 look like a graphick of physic fenomenon rendered by the programming language PASCAL.

[@tylerrogan4306]

Weird I have always thought the being 1 shot has come from elemental or chaos damage and that would fix the armor disadvantage even pre patch.

[@Syphirioth]

Ah so me noticing my brutes doing less afttershock on stun yesterday is probably due to this change then.

[@wutever8167]

This explains why my monk suddenly felt weaker. The unconverted phys damage got significantly worse. I thought I was imagining it.

[@TopSecretGG]

The Ambassador of PoE2 armor with another video! :D

[@Legionthecomrade]

PoE 2's early access is literally just going to be them fixing problems they created that were practically fixed or brought to acceptable levels in PoE 1. One might say that PoE 2 should have just been a massive improvement across the board type project for PoE 1 instead of "We're gonna make our own game again but worse in just about every way." Not a single player would have complained about PoE 1 but better. If this patch was the thing we're supposed to be expecting throughout this early access then god help this game. They took those 30$ sales and are swimming in it. Most of this patch could have been a minor one and some of the changes are laughable when you actually think about them. Even the pack size changes and what not weren't too exciting because these things were already fixed in PoE 1 and just done better in that game because you essentially had full agency over them while in this game they tried spinning randomness in the worst way as a positive. They can't just use "Well it took X years for PoE 1 to get there" because they already did it. I still have absolutely no idea with even where this game is going to be why anyone would bother with it over the completely superior version of the game. They're being different for the sake of being different and that's not a good thing when the things they are trying to change were already nailed down or close to it. It's like they're trying their hardest to pull a Diablo 4.

[@jamricsloe]

Be careful what you ask for! I noticed my monk's dps felt weaker. Thanks for the explanation.

[@chrisismeyes4123]

wait what is that space next to your inventory mod or something they sell?

[@DnASingularity]

Titan ascendancy passive skill node gives extra bag slots

[@k.h.raider9329]

So is anyone else not able to see effects of quality on skill gems anymore after the latest patch? I used to be able to check if quality would effect a skill gem or not but after this last patch now none of them show what quality does to them or will do to them anymore.

[@williamoliver3927]

I noticed it as well i compensated by adding pile on and the 2 20% mnode next to it .and OMG the diffrence in night and day. the 100% More damage to mobs with fully broken armour .. shot my dps through the roof.and made even mobs on t15 and up maps 1 tap pop and die..

[@MrPihtija]

Oh... i wasn't thinking about that, but that would explain why my reavers feel so much weaker...

[@0oSiLveRo0]

Damn, now I know why I felt like I was doing less damage.

[@Kuldirongaze1]

Weeeee! Having so much fun with this. I now regret getting early access for this game.

[@jprec5174]

Yea i dropped poe2 after the first week. Its clear they didnt apply the same balance and philosophy they did for settlers in poe1