Krone Comprima. Folienbindung. Film & Film special, Revolution HB,

Ultimate Krone Comprima, featuring Revolution Baletite Film&FIlm system and the HB hydraulic boosted bale density system.

[@IsabelGerdina888]

Thanks for sharing Robert! You make the differance :-) Explained it nice and clearly. This sure is a Revolotion in "bale-land", Good job! Greetz from Een, Drenthe, Holland! L&G K.

[@aussiefendt1796]

Could you please show the difference in the film kit to make it gather it at the end of the netting process?

[@JoshuaHerbert-jt4lx]

Hi Robert I’m curious, why do krone not put their film binding system into the Fortima model of balers? Are you aware of a kit to convert a Fortima to film binding? Regards Joshua Waikato NZ

[@RobertFolkerts]

The film is gathered by two rollers carried on hydraulic cylinders. They are visible in the video below the roll of film and can be seen working.

[@hohnslarsvs.germanmx9521]

hey Robert, lars here from the Spreewald, Germany. I tried to wrote a mail to you but your mailadress is not working. maybe you have a new adress??? greetings to the family. hopefully you stay safe and healthy. Lars

[@danielwilkinson1564]

Hi Robert, just wondering have you any photos of the set up for the film? We use the standard film system but as you know it’s a nightmare

[@RobertFolkerts]

Hello Daniel, what particular aspects would you like to see? If you can message me your email address I can send pictures.

[@agroGiann]

Very nice video sir. I hope after five years you will see the comment. I bought a new comprima plus on 2021, cv 150 xc. It has the choice of bale with net and film. I tried first year to make silage with film instead of net but i was all the time inside the baler cause couldnt bale correct. It has not like your system, that gets the film in the middle before cuts it, its cutting like the net the hole surface. The problem is tat when it goes inside the chamber instead of grabbed by the bale it goes whether to the net feed roller or down to the rotor and becomes a mess. Some bales goes correct but more often doesn’t work correct. I tried all the possible settings and different film brands but nothing change. Any solutions? Greetings from Greece. Kostas

[@RobertFolkerts]

Hello Kostas, The only thing you can do is to continue taking crop, a little, as the film starts to feed. This can prevent it going to the cutting rotor, and the next two rollers, but unfortunately not the first roller the film contacts. The gathering of the film to a kind of rope is really the only solution. Krone have just released their own gathering system however it is not able to gather to less than about 350mm. I have no idea how well it works yet. I think you likely have the three wide scrapers attached to the main scraper? The build up of crop at these scrapers often forces the film to be trapped and then go around the first roller. Taking crop with the film does not help in this instance. My system is now approaching 50,000 film bales.

[@agroGiann]

@@RobertFolkerts First of all thank you for your reply Robert. I tried the all. Nothing worked. Do you know where can i find krones new system? It drove me crazy, 100k baler and couldnt bale properly. Also if you have an email to send you some pictures? It has a weird system but it works like working with net by changing a few settings.

[@RobertFolkerts]

@@agroGiann I don't understand all of your last comment. [e-mail] I think Krone dealers should have information re the new binding system. It can be retrofitted to your machine I think, but likely costly. I will get opportunity to observe their new system working in the coming season. Will be interesting. I suspect still some difficulty with wet crop, but we shall see.

[@RobertFolkerts]

When I have you email I should be able to forward the Krone bulletin re their new system.

[@arnoldstreicher2722]

Do you sell this as a kit for krone balers?

[@RobertFolkerts]

Hi Arnold, I'm sorry, at this point I am not planning to build kits. I really enjoy this development work, to perfect a machine, but I do not enjoy making copies of what I have produced. I don't like repetition like that. Perhaps it will not be too long and Krone themselves will see the need for something like this.

[@arnoldstreicher2722]

RobertFolkerts I run a cv 150 and would like to run film, but am told the krone kit is not reliable. Thanks for the reply. You have a brilliant mind!

[@RobertFolkerts]

Thank you Arnold.

[@aussiefendt1796]

Arnold Streicher it’s not the most reliable film kit. We have it on a v150xc xtreame, works good in good conditions but if u get into wetter silage or dry silage it will wrap around the first roller in the chamber. And for us in Australia they don’t stock film... costs us an arm and a leg to get it

[@grahambelfield2332]

Hi robert thanks for the videos. Do you have any tips for getting the net to spread on the standard comprima? It seems to pull in when it starts and then struggles to spread out properly sometimes. Ive tried various settings on the net brakes. This is for netwrap not film thanks.

[@RobertFolkerts]

Hi Graham, I haven't used much net for 11 years now. However, does your machine have one, or two spiral spreaders for the net? Two seems to work better than the set up that has one roller and one bent bar for the net to run on. Where the net comes off the roll and travels up, and then down to the compensating mechanism, before going up to the spreaders and the feed plate, there are usually two options. To run the net over rollers, or run it over the adjacent staionary tubes. I always found much better spreading of net by running it over both the stationary tubes. There is more friction involved which helps the net spread and keeps it there. One thing to watch for though, when running net over the stationary tubes, the paint will wear off and after a period of sitting idle, rust will form and can cause the net to tear on startup. Like beginning the next season. Just need to get in with a bit of sand paper and take the rust off and good to go. There is another thing, I used to run the net with the roll direction reversed. To do this you must reverse the grippers on the brake drum which secure the roll against the brake. The reason is the net then does a full 180° over the top tube. It all helps keep the net wide and prevent it snaking in when the brake is free on start of net cycle.

[@grahambelfield2332]

@@RobertFolkerts It just has one bar with the spiral spreaders and one bent bar. I do run it over the stationery tube at the bottom. I will try and run it with the roll direction reversed, i know what you mean about the gripper things. Ive also got some genuine krone netwrap coming that i hope will help. The problem seems to be it pulls in to the centre at the start then needs about 3 net turns to spread out properly. Another thing how many bales are you finding the main belts last for now? Krone guarantee 3 years or 30000 bales. Ive heard theyve been improved but they look a big job to change if they go. Thanks for your help and advice.

[@RobertFolkerts]

@@grahambelfield2332 Hi Graham. Another thing you should check, that the cable which pulls the brake off is adjusted to only just free the brake on start. If it is too free and for too long, it will easily produce the net action as you describe. You can try different springs on the cable end to give desired action. I modified my system for film. I welded two brake pads to double the length. Then changed the mounting bolts so they are welded center of the two pads. Then I fitted a small compression spring to push one pad always against the brake drum when the cable pulls the brake free. This produced a small controlled drag. It's purpose is to stop the film roll over turning on start and fouling the film. This also helps with net as the roll is never then completely free to run away. Perhaps if you give me your email I can send you pictures. Which machine do you have. F or V? Rear belts on V machines are lasting typically around 12,000 bales. The front belt a bit longer. The F belts are typically lasting between 20,000 to 25,000. In NZ there have been a large number of belts replaced under warranty as a machine might do 10- 15 thousand bales in a season so not many get to three years with less than 30,000. The problem has always been the "join", where there are four layers of fabric weave spanning a bit more than the space between two slats. It is too thick to take the constant bending. The latest style of belt has the fabric protruding about 25mm either side of one slat, so no longer the thick stiff section. Yet to see if this is the solution but the failure was always at the ends of the thick section. The rest of the belt could have gone on indefinitely. I always put a different colour paint on the bars adjacent to the join to easily identify the location to keep a check on deterioration. It starts essentially from the moment the machine begins work and slowly develops cracks in the rubber and then the fabric layers fail progressively.

[@RobertFolkerts]

One other thing Graham. Check the net is cutting neatly. If the cut is ragged the net can get pulled by the longest bit first. This can cause the net to be dragged to that area rather than a more even spread of connection to the bale. I renewed the knife on occasions with my test baler to always keep the cleanest cut for this reason. Krone was of course providing parts so no cost to me. But as the knife dulled it did make a difference. Watch it though. Even when they don't cut the net so good they will still cut you finger easily. If this sounds pedantic, bear in mind I did 120,000 bales with that machine over ten years. 70,000 with film. You can work out how often I changed belts from that!!

[@RobertFolkerts]

Graham I should mention, early on I gave up on trying to get the net to work properly with the baler in standard configuration. Very soon I had three spiral rollers set up at the top of the feed plate to provide a more tortuous path for the net to keep it under control. The film ran over just one roller. In the early days I put a lot of effort into getting the net to perform how I wanted it. Then a lot of effort to get film to work well.

[@kanenepe1652]

Heya mate I would love to find out more about this film system you have developed if possible.. we run 2 krone comprima v150xc xtreme stand alone balers and are very interested in add the film binding system to them if possible.. is there a way I could contact you to maybe come and chat to you about how we would go about doing that? Thanks a heap and I look forward to your reply 🙂👍

[@RobertFolkerts]

O274981020, or 078719574

[@cuzimflo8071]

Hello Robert, do you think there is a way to retrofit this film binding to a Krone combipack1250 from 2007? thanks

[@RobertFolkerts]

I think the binding system in the combipack is much to different to copy the system I made for my Comprima. However I am aware of people binding with film in your type of machine. Not with a gathering system though, which is essential to attain the desired reliability, especially in wetter conditions.

[@cuzimflo8071]

@@RobertFolkerts So is there a possibility to retrofit the film binding? could you please give me more information about this? I would be very grateful

[@RobertFolkerts]

@@cuzimflo8071 I think your machine has a driven roller system to feed netting, Krone calls this an active system. Comprima machines using film utilize what Krone calls a passive system. It is very different. The passive system is the basis for my "Revolution" gathering system. As far as I know the people using film with your style of system have made whatever modifications to run film in their machines, themselves.

[@berndreiner7159]

Best Baler on the Market..... Made in Germany! And yes it will also work with the original Krone Film Kit.... not only with your "Kit" We here in Germany and Austria use lot of this Krone Film System.... works perfect and also in every Condition.... But we bale not in the Rain because it makes no sense, nobosy bale when its raining.... we need good quality :-)

[@RobertFolkerts]

Funny how the Krone System is working in Austria perfectly, but in the Southern Hemisphere it works very poorly. And in Scandinavia, and in UK. I didn't go to the trouble of building this system because I am stupid or only bale in the rain. Best baler on the market? It is ok.

[@berndreiner7159]

RobertFolkerts Why you buy a Krone Baler 🤔🤔🤔?? Is this not the 2nd Baler from Krone you bought?? Why you dont buy a McHale or something like that when its not good enough for you?? McHale has from their point the best Film Binding... But i can also give you Tip.... test our Baler from Austria a Göweil F combi Baler 🤙😁 We Know also how to build Balers ... also for your lousy field Conditions in Australia

[@berndreiner7159]

Ohhhh I forgot. You can also look at the new Balers from Pöttinger Impress 🤗👍 Is there no Manufacter in Australia? That you have to buy such expensive Machinery from us?

[@RobertFolkerts]

So, you show yourself as silly. Did you not know, in 2005 Krone asked me to help solve problems with the new Comprima machines. They gave me three to work with. The third one being the V150XC which you think I bought. I spent five years finding solutions to the various problems the machines had. Many of my solutions are in the current machines, but not all. I was as well the first to operate a Comprima with film beginning in 2009. I have done more than 80,000 bales with film. It is interesting the Go Weil machines experience difficulty here with short damp crop. Factory is trying to find solutions. Perhaps you can help them out!

[@berndreiner7159]

RobertFolkerts Ok i have to ask Krone in Spelle about you... but no Krone Baler has your Pickup System or your Film System but i will find out.... I not that far away from Krone... Is Robert Folkers your real name ?? 😁😁 And thats your diary Farm in New Zealand? I have to ask Krone because here the System looks nothing like yours in no way

[@RobertFolkerts]

There is no Krone film kit involved in this machine.

[@aussiefendt1796]

RobertFolkerts is there a way I can contact you ? I can try and get a engineering shop in my town to make the kit. Currently having 8% of the bales coming out without film and going around the drum roller.. cheers

[@RobertFolkerts]

@@aussiefendt1796 try [phone]

[@RobertFolkerts]

You can try calling me on [phone] that should work.