Fronteras 602: Head of Joaquin Murrieta - John Valadez

[@jesguerra920]

Saw this film, very eye opening. I'm a history buff, but never knew of Mexican American lynching. In the words of Winston Churchill " History is written by the victors" Thank you John Valadez, I will search for more of your work

[@orozcoj1984]

jes Guerra where did you find it?

[@SGortelli]

@@orozcoj1984 I want to know to

[@jackmurrieta8513]

history is writen by the Victor's so they must build to retain controll the crown as such...gain the rites to dictate wat is writen

[@jimmygarciagaricia4108]

So- called victors.

[@maryhernandez9063]

God bless you John Valadez for bringing forward the unknown history of Joaquin Murrieta… and thank you for putting his head to rest finally.

[@jackmurrieta8513]

I see that ur interested about joaquin I am a direct descendant of joaquin murrieta orozco his true name check out the round table hour of truth joaquin murrieta special interview of humberto garza(the reference pics displayed n said to be of joaquin is not joaquin there r no existing pic of joaquin to date )man in pic is frank b marshall not joaquin a resent found fact ...new find was after this interviewing

[@thevision4734]

Makes me laugh to hear the interviewer say that in Texas he was never taught any of these things. Taxes was much much worse than California. Texas simply refuses to acknowledge any of it. The war between Texas and Mexico which was really the United States of Mexico was far for the property rights of americans. That property were slaves. The US was pissed at Mexico because Mexico kept freeing their slaves. And would not return them. About 800 slaves made it to Canada but tens of thousands of slaves made it to Mexico and just like the native Americans accepted the runaway slaves into their tribes so did Mexico. In fact when the Gaelic speaking Irish landed on US shores and found out they were fighting to preserve slavery, they refuse to fight further and the United States in Texas murdered all of them and tried to murder their wives and children. The Mexican officials antenna as horrific as a dude was actually fought viciously to protect the women and children of these Irish who had been killed by cannons and guns even as they held knives and pieces of wood to try to protect themselves, their wives and their children. They were never recorded in American history books but in Mexico they are celebrated as the sons of Saint Patrick's or lots Patricios

[@bertcandela9250]

And don't forget the bloody Texas Rangers. They murdered many of our people. They were exceptionally brutal in the treatment of our people, starting with the so called Mexican war. They were very vicious beasts and committed many atrocities against us. The San Patricio's as you ment6are national heroes in Mexico and rightfully so.🇮🇪🇮🇪🇲🇽🇲🇽

[@glendabarton45barton48]

Company C, NY Army Rangers led by Col. Stephenson, was based in Sonoma, California and carried out the Lovall Valley Massacre of hundreds of Indians, by secret orders of Pres. Abraham Lincoln and General Mariano Vallejo. You won't find this massacre listed and it's not in the history books. A white schoolteacher who begged for the lives of her Indian students was also murdered. Right Gatling guns brought around the Horn for the purpose. The schoolteacher was considered a traitor by the townspeople and not allowed to be buried in the Sonoma Mountain Cemetery.

[@jimmygarciagaricia4108]

Americans????? Mexicans and there reservation brothers and sisters, are the real, and only north Americans!!! The rest are immigrants, U S. Citizens!!!! White people come from Europe!! 🇨🇦🇺🇸🇲🇽

[@racheldelgado5646]

Very informative. Heard about the Mexican lynchings. There is a historic marker being erected in the Rio Grande valley about Mexican deaths at the hand of the Texas Rangers - Los Rinches. La Matanza marks a mass grave.

[@danielcabrera6160]

I grew up in cantua in a ranch called halfway next to three rocks when I was 8 they would ride horses from firebaugh to el arroyo hundreds or horses it was the best thing to see out my front door all in the memory of Joaquin murrieta

[@emilym2988]

he’s my 10th great grandfather. i love learning more and more about my heritage

[@jackmurrieta8513]

Emily r u referring to joaquin murrieta I am a descendant as well was just curious if u were willing to share ur views and history on the murrietas im from merced California bout my grandfather Miguel murrieta verdugo was from sonora trincheras de altar San rafael alamito I have an established tree that goes up to 1742 I don't mind sharing if ur interested I like meeting any murrietas I can its a common thing in dong further research to find actual connections to many murrietas that turn out to be connected along the lines some where the murrietas r one name that appears in more times than not we find that we r connected as if we r one big family the name murrieta originating out of Spain how ever most considered them selves from Mexico well ill rap it up here have a great day ...

[@emilym2988]

@@jackmurrieta8513 yes i am from porterville ca. we’ve had lost family and they have added a extra t to my name but i’ve found to be descendent of Joaquin. My family has rooted through the central valley for a very very long time. My father was Gilbert Murrietta and my grandfather sharing the same name. From there i wish i could learn more.

[@emilym2988]

@@jackmurrieta8513 I learned he dating back and doing the math it has to be at least 10 generations he died in 1853 so most likely being my grandfather or even great uncle. Who’s sure yknow. I have sister with the same last names as well.

[@jackmurrieta8513]

Emily murrietas with 2 to are thr same murrietas joaquiins father juan murrieta valezueka is my 4 great uncle joaquins my first cousin 4 removed means put 4 generations aside places me at first its crazy how it's calculated like that but yea if u want to lern more about joaquin I can share wat I know but be ready becuz ther r a few of use who r deep into this history n were have lern as were digging for our historyis truth not the white man's version that he say it is ok wat u know is probly the basics rite the bandit s bro was hand unjustly his wife ra o ed he her d bandit robed n kill hid his gold ?got kill cooped off his head an so forth rite .if u want I can sher n u .cAn just check and cementing u want a ybone who it interested in learning I a good thing alot of bs out there let me know ok

[@jackmurrieta8513]

Emily I apologize for the delay in responding back to we lost contact sure I'd like to share with u actually its not my history it's our history joQuin murrieta is our common link that makes us family thru him altho not directly but from it it is common to say we're cousins just to avoid technical routing shifting thru marriages .thur our convos n research as we go things will materialize for us it will hope fully give us an idea of the distance or close related my family also lived in Merced n I have kids in Fresno a daughter Marcela Monique murrieta n marina Mercedes murrieta eneno murrieta r my kids just so u know if u come across those names on face book I'm under murrieta blood just so u know ok can u tell me ur dad's brothers name uncles if u know them sisters u have 2 ts if u have a fb if u feel its OK I'd like to send material thru messenger for u to view as well as share family tree with u its total y up to u .I have tots of material I can share with u .. anyway ok first of we know that joaquin murrieta is said to have been born 1829 death 1853 ok that's the repeated entry on enternate and alot of people stick with it cuz it beded in n they just go with that to keep it simple or safe to claim the verble family history says its 1828 and the truth is joaquin didn't die on July 25 1853 joawuin wasn't there at the battle of the aroyo cantua he survived in made it back to Mexico n I lived to be abt 70 n died of old age in a town named corcupe mexico where he's baried ok I'll let u digest that for a minie (the enternate info is from traditional belief told of joaquins story ) told to us by historians that really never thot joaquin never even existed said we as a people made him up recently we had mexican historians hard at work try to separate the lies from the truth we all r as u seek the truth as well.. n progress has been made ...wen able n u have time try to send me the names of ur father n and mother ur dad's brothers n sisters n his father (ur grandpa) name that's would be help ful .. wecan start building ur family tree then it will grow /link to other murrietas ok have a great day get back wen time allows

[@onepowerlifting]

The victors write the story for history, not the truth. The Alamo is an example of this. I read a story about a letter that was found in Mexico city many years after the Alamo, the story was very different

[@jackmurrieta8513]

so is joaquin murrietas I am a descendent of joaquin murrieta orozco his true name check out the round table our of truth joaquin murrieta special good info. last part questionable tho

[@jamesdaniels8007]

So what's the story?

[@murrietavive]

I was interviewed by John Valadez ten years ago when he was stating his research for this film. I am glad to see that he finally produced the film, that I have yet to see. I look forward to finding and viewing the film.

[@jakep714]

WAIT WHAT?,,, Are you a descendant of Joaquin Murrieta?

[@oscargutierrez3170]

Hi Alejandro! Where do you live?

[@murrietavive]

@@jakep714 yes

[@murrietavive]

@@oscargutierrez3170 l live in baja California, but visit so cal on ocasión.

[@jackmurrieta8513]

pariente I to am descendent of joaquin murrieta my name is Don joaquin murrieta de merced California

[@MendoZzaOfficial]

JOAQUIN MURRIETA REPRESENTS MEXICAN RESISTANCE IN CALIFORNIA AND THE UNITED STATES

[@jackmurrieta8513]

RESISTER OF INJUSTICE LOOK UP CIVAL SECTION 394 0F 1850'S THATS WAT SPARKED IT ALL...... HIS LOSS AnD THIS LAW SETS IT OFF!

[@robinoray]

Been watching the Amazon series The Head of Joaquin Murrieta. Shocked by the portral of treatment of Mexican-Americas and wondered can this be true? Thank-you for this piece which both saddened and confirmed something I was never aware of.

[@wingslanding]

Terrific. Nice to hear the truth.

[@jackmurrieta8513]

not true sorry buddy I'm a descendant of joaquin murrietas that was not joaqhins head in thar jar that was an unfortunate man who feel victume to the greed of Texas ranger Henry love fordged head simply to make collection thier claim is far from true never got joaquin the books tell sources our family simply looks on as many attempts of the stories been tried but not much truth other than him terrorizing california resisting against the law if 1853 cival section 394 look it up ..interesting but major fact left out ya think ?

[@luigicapoti1253]

anglo merchants were invaiders and killed indians chinese blacks irish buffalos ...¿what else?

[@CrIs-yr9ow]

Thank you for this! 👏

[@rafaelvmaldonadorv7959]

SR.Valadez su revelador historico documental, me llena de orgullo y emociones, La vida de los Mexicanos que en 1848 no sabian que ya no era Mexico debido a la Guerra, Dio nacimiento a injusticias, sociales y economicas, y malas interpretaciones debido a la lengua, sobre todo nuevas leyes y nuevas reglas, Cuando la linea se movio al suroeste muchos mexicanos se reusaron a dejar sus tierras donde habian nacido y fundado sus pueblos....La lengua no era Latina era Hispana.....El tema es interesante y gracias a su admirable labor.'.

[@jackmurrieta8513]

Sr jesus Murillo esta es un facto de ellos no quieren nadie a saber.. busca la ley de 1850s cival section 394 layalo es el razon que joaquin murrieta estvo resistante de este lay

[@nickroach5678]

When I was a kid I was at a friend's house we were watching a faces of death movie it was part 2 or 3 there was the host setting at a table the head was in the jar on the table he spun it around to show the face and said "Meet Joaquin Murrieta" and proceeded to do a segment on his life I was probably 9 or 10 the expression on that face freaked me out as a kid

[@nickroach5678]

Found it Faces of Death part 2 one hour and three minutes in

[@scenecityproductions]

Sorry for all you that think that Joaquin Murieta was Mexican, he was Chilean, there are documents, witnesses, papers and stories of Joaquin Murieta leaving Valparaiso to start mining in California. The thing is that for the californian white people, all the latinos were mexicans, well, till these days. But that doesn´t mean that Joaquin it was mexican. He was Chilean. Take a look to "Splendor and death of Joaquin Murieta" by Neruda.

[@nelsonmendivil3914]

Nope he was born in Sonora Mexico

[@josejonhson674]

No he's not, the first book written about him was by a man of Cherokee ancestry, written in English of course and refers to him as Mexican. The book was then translated to french, and finally to Spanish in which all references to him being Mexican were changed to Chilean. Probably to prevent it from inciting violence back in Mexico, which happened regardless.

[@bertcandela9250]

Well he spent his short life being treated like a Mexican so I adopt him as one.

[@jackmurrieta8513]

I'm a direct descendant of joaquin murrieta my friend DNA approved thos docs were fabricated not true that's a proven fact they made a play about him the chilenos try to claim n created a detailed story gave im a stopping ground and the whole 9. yards but has since proven not true he is my fisrt cousin 4 × removed genealogical aspec thru set of generation s his father parents juan murrieta v n Juana orozco ..Juan's my 4great grand uncle and the brother of my 4greatgrandfather salvador murrieta valenzuela 1802 son of juan jose murrieta 1762 the murrietas come from Spain 2 murrietas were se t from Spain to establish colonies r start families juan jose murrieta stayed n married a yaqui Indian I com from that lineage thru Juan Jose son salvador brother to to juan father of joaquin murrieta of the gold rush of California the murrietas are all over the place all descendants of joaquins TRINCHERAS SONORA DE SAN RAFAEL ALOMITO BORN N RAISED BARRIED EN CORCUPE SONORA MEXICO ....SORRY MY FRIEND THAT VERSION HAD TOOK U FOR A RIDE .BUT REAKY JOAQUIN MURRIETA IS MEXICANO N A PART OF MINE N MANY OTHERS FAMILY TREES

[@jackmurrieta8513]

look at the round table of truth joaquin murrieta special author humberto garza

[@Twsuf1]

This is the first time hearing Mr. Valadez or that fact knowing about him and I have to say I'm intrigued, it's time that people are exposed to the history of Mexican Americans, thank you Mr Valadez 🙏🏽 A true fan of your work now. As a Mexican American it's a shame that our History has never been recorded

[@coachpete2771]

Where can I see the film

[@fisheyelens876]

Your monikers are no different from any other monikers given to every single race in America given to that race by people who have more money, stop trying to be special, the only part of your video that makes me understand your culture is you are trying to be the same people now that caused the problem in the first place. At some point the need for greed needs to stop. I did not personally cause your problem, why can you not keep trying to make it seem so????

[@jimmygarciagaricia4108]

U mean in the U.S.???🇺🇸 There's 27 Continental American countries, the united states is just one of them!! 🇨🇦🇺🇸🇲🇽

[@PrezidentialMuzic]

What kind of person would even think to walk around with a severed head in a jar???

[@harveysmith9046]

The government wanted proof of death in order to pay the bounty hunters.

[@bertcandela9250]

Whites, that's who. The truth hurts but you asked and I told you so.

[@jimmygarciagaricia4108]

@@bertcandela9250 You mean european immigrants!!!!.

[@MikeJones-rm7dd]

How do people not know about all this there were many drawings off him an there were more than one juaquines that rode with him the head was lost during 1906 earthquake if it was even his head this is one of the worse conversations i ever heard about this guy like he doesnt kno how history actually was

[@vivianbrown2477]

Joaquin Murrieta is my Great Great Great Grandfather! Our family held on to many items of his quietly. There was a photo of him. This left out a lot of info such as part of the reason why his head was put into a jar. He had been captured and escaped 3 times which is in part why his head was put into a jar for display to prove his death.

[@emmanuelg40historytalk74]

Vivian Brown please tell me more I wanna know.

[@elgrito8795]

Please contact me I would like to do something for him in Stockton. [e-mail]

[@vaqueritof7565]

do you have any of those items? or photo ?

[@crawlspaceemora]

Chingon 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍😷✅✅✅

[@glendabarton45barton48]

But no proof. $2,000 is a big motivator to fake it. His sister said it was not her brother's head and that he had escaped to Mexico.

[@andreatravogul7442]

To make this film. You myst go to his. Born town in trincheras. Sonora mex. Were his. Remains. Are. .one of his sister. Said. That. The head. In rhe jar is not his. Brother. Joaquin. Murrieta. .please. You must. Search. More. His. Story.

[@jackmurrieta8513]

JOAQUIN MURRIETA ERA DE TRINCHERS SONORA DE SAN RAFAEL ALAMITO .I AM A DESCENDENT OF JOAQUIN MURRIETA'S DNA CONFIRMED NOT NO ERA CHILENO ERA MEXICANO HE WASNT DECAPATATED AT THE AROYO CANTUA HE DIED OF OLD AGE N IS BARRIED EN CORCUPE MEXICO EN SONORA

[@wallaroo1295]

13:00 Bravo! Bravo! 💖🔵 Our ethnic pasts - all of them - are filled with some pretty horrible behaviors. Humans are *still* doing it in many places. I love how he explains what we need to do as a species.

[@CatDaddySteve]

SICARIOS they takes heads and display them every day

[@ramirin1978]

He say yo no soy extraño en estas tierras de mexico es california porque dios asi lo quizo en mi manta tengo bordada mi fe de bautizo engreido americano

[@KeithOtisEdwards]

According to Wikipedia: “His preserved head was destroyed during the 1906 San Francisco earthquake and subsequent fire.”

[@jackmurrieta8513]

a head was destroyed altho not joaquins im a descendant of joaquin murrieta

[@KeithOtisEdwards]

@@jackmurrieta8513 I would be honored if you would listen to the piece of music I wrote in honor of Joaquin Murrieta: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b6TOZodqbd-chs0

[@jackmurrieta8513]

thank u for ur honoring o joaquin very creative form of paying tribute that was kool n unique how Lilongwe did that take u I don't know anything about composing something like that seems complicated to put all together thank much appreciated not to many people spend sthat much time on a or that type of thing to show a sence of inspired much I s avoided in its own an expression unfolding wat about joaquin murfidta in spired u to put thT to together ? there r alot of things writen about joQuin murrieta that were sot so accurate but believed to be the truth at the time .like his head in a jar joaquin was never decapitated altho th I er was an unlucky cousin that did n unfortunately hery love s fuscus was to return with a head any head of Mexican descent sole to cash in on the money no one new for shareware joaquin look like on the rangersside it was writen that ther was a confrontation hery love enterogating a group of vaqueros hery making bold statements wen in truth that didn't happen the rager did not approach the in day lite but ambushed them in the cover of darkness with out warning or comfrontation .most of wat was writen falsified reports by the ragers but at the time they put out wat they wanted us to believe now books our being writen by descendents come with the truth info as the family has been passed down thru the generations a verbal history of the truth

[@KeithOtisEdwards]

@@jackmurrieta8513 Gracias for the compliment. The composition came after hours of eating in a Mexican restaurant in Detroit (which was closed due to Obama deportations) and listening to my Mariachi records. Unfortunately, when I heard the piece performed, it was _un desastre_ because the band could not play the Mexican rhythms. There should be a movie made about Joaquin Murrieta.

[@ascendien]

Changing "America" jajaja

[@cydbel]

I surveyed his families last remaining land

[@vivianbrown2477]

I would love to talk to you. He was my great great great Grandfather

[@cydbel]

Vivian Brown [e-mail]

[@sergioflores6935]

Thanks for the comment, saludos

[@jasoncampos2933]

California at that time was Mexico wym

[@taylandemenizcivekhejimoli]

Where is the poncho from? Like the style

[@stevenqueen5728]

How can I watch this film?

[@sergioflores6935]

it looks like this guy had over looked a lot of the story that some of the californians go by , the fact that on some of the story says that the anglos robed him and raped his wife , and there was a law at the time that any native american was prohived from acusing an anglo and whe Joaquin went to the law they ignored him it was that action that pushed Joaquin to do justice by his own hand , again this guy is from newyork and i would rely on a californian story to be more acurate. there is better versions of Joaquin story out there. so i don't know even if i would want to see his film jus based on how he is going about the whole story. again i think there is better and more acurate storyes out there. just my opinion,! 1

[@raygonzalez760]

I agree , he's got the wrong attitude and knowledge with regards to nuestra historian Chicana. There are alot of new books on Joaquin especially a new one by his ancestors.

[@jackmurrieta8513]

look up cival section 394 law 1850

[@adalbarra1]

Era mi bisabuelo

[@crawlspaceemora]

Chingon 👍👍👍👍

[@ricardotavarez5718]

Hello, where can I access a trailer for this film? Thank You.

[@bigadamg1]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/inbPY5WMZpyrd5o

[@spikepit7256]

Nice.. Joaquin murrieta

[@jorgeNunez-vy5ni]

Mirta from Valparaíso.. Minero chileno..working in trapiche. Murieta

[@jackmurrieta8513]

no era chilieno eso es falso joaQuin murrieta es de sonora trincheras yo soy un descendnte de ese familia de ese tiempo mi tataabuelo era tio de joaquin murrieta orozco la verdadero nombre de joaquin el patrio tengo mi arbol de murrirtas de sonora trincheras ( San rafael de altar alomito )

[@jorgeNunez-vy5ni]

@@jackmurrieta8513 no era murrieta. Es murieta. El nombre Joaquín es muy común en chile..y las características de raza..es chileno..al igual que muchos chilenos confundidos por apellido .con mexicanos en usa

[@jackmurrieta8513]

El hen te que dic e joaquin era de cheli es pablo neruda ..Luis Calvo y un professor ACigar que excribio un lobro de John rollin ridge I ortro de la miza story un version Parra loa chelienos que se llama el cabllero chilieno y cuando el escrbio ese libro paara la gente de cheli cambio todas la palabras que dice mexico entre el original libro con el lugar cheli tambien los Pueblos Esa es un fact y todos los historians chelienos y de mexico y ameri canos sa ben era es una tempt paRa combiar el luger y Pueblo onde joaquin nacio pero ese attemp no estaba correcto que joaquin era de cheli ..el corecto tiera era mexico sonora trincheras onde mi y miz parientes .. abuelo y bisabuelos tatabuelos naci tenemos nuestra albos que dice hAsta los Padres tios tias abuelo de joaquin murrieta y los pariente de ese familia y yo. soy un descendente de ese familia los murrieta Viene de espania y los murrieta llegaron primero a michoaca hasta sinaloa y final ment sonora trincheas si senor joaquin murrieta orozco nacio en sonora mexico y era el patrio de la gold rush ese es la realidad. todo ese estoryias que joaquin era de otro lugares es nomas estorias joaquin murrieta murio y esta en la tiera de curcupe mexico sonora onde tienes su marka alle los tios de joaquin es jose David..salvado y juan murrieta valezuela juan es el prdre joaquin murrieta y salvador es mi tatabuelo y tio de joaquin ese para decir joaquin es mi premiere primo 4xremoved en la geni illogical asi es gracias por tu tiempo senor Nunez ten u buen dia ..un a investigacion de profit lugar dice ese professor acigar combo Las palabras mexico por cheli es un facto y Mucha gente sabes que joaquin no era de cheli y el original es murrieta los otros eran combios o error de hente escribiendo storias en papeles or libros ..

[@jorgeNunez-vy5ni]

@@jackmurrieta8513 hola..escriba bien..bueno esa es su opinión..que tiene registros..osea Mexico era muy moderno.ya que tiene registros de la migración..felicitaciones.. Neruda se baso en hechos y libros históricos de mineros chilenos .. escritos hace más de cien años..al final no fue un patriota..solo una víctima de los yanquis ..por eso cobro venganza..al estilo chileno..una raza guerrera..mestizo mapuche......pero si usted . Es feliz ...crea que es mexicano o sudamericano..da lo mismo..yo solo quiero reevindicar nuestras costumbres..gastronomía etc..porque los mexicanos y demás hispanos .cada cual orgullosos de sus banderitas ..y cosas .paseándose en Estados Unidos ..reevindicando de todo...chile ha sido víctima de.robos.de historias .logros..costumbres .gastronomía. Etc .y hasta el día de hoy .nos roban los vecinos...que esté bien...

[@jackmurrieta8513]

no es mi opinion es u facto ya aprovado lo que yo adicho va patras y busca joaquin no es de chile voya ensienarte bamos pa a escuela bamenos

[@renatozorete8493]

*JOAQUIN MURRUETA CHILEAN, BORN IN QUILLOTA, VALPARAISO, CHILE*

[@MarcosA2976]

Renato Zorete He was born in Sonora Mexico. But no worries. I’ve even heard rumors of people of Brazil claiming he’s Brazilian. Regardless he’s a mestizo from mestizo land. So he’s all of ours. Viva Joaquin Murrieta.

[@nelsonmendivil3914]

Yeah right buddy

[@crawlspaceemora]

No way Jose👍👍🤣🤣

[@jackmurrieta8513]

Joaquin era de trincheras sonora DE San rafael alomito puro Mexicano I am a descendant of joaquin murrieta barried in corcupe mexico died of old age ...was not decapitated at contua July 25 1853 that's inaccurate info

[@jorgeNunez-vy5ni]

Si es chileno ..fundaron pueblos Robert heining escritor antiguo .hubieron hasta veinte mil chilenos invitados por estados unidos a California..fundaron pueblos..y Vicente Pérez Rosales ..escritor vivió y estuvo allí..los galgos bandas paramilitares atacaban a hispanos y otros..eran estadounidenses..y murieta y tres dedos eran chilenos...

[@the_patriot7]

so were is the head ???

[@jimmygarciagaricia4108]

They need to study geography, and stop using the word " Latino".

[@jimmygarciagaricia4108]

Latinos??????wtf??.