ktl 224 vlog Seagull outboards - morally unnaceptable

[@andrewbarten7347]

They may be loud, smelly, horrible things, but so are foreigners. At least Seagulls have charm. 🙂

[@williamjames9515]

Never ever let me down. 55 minutes at full throttle on the integral tank. Loved it!

[@jonathansimmonds5784]

Seagulls are wonderful, I have five of them, just bought the fifth three days ago for £40, a Century Plus with clutch to push my traditional 21 foot lugger. Currently stripping and servicing it, it's in lovely condition for it's 45 years of use, I'm only the third owner. You need to be a certain type of chap to own a Seagull which sadly I can see you are not, not practical enough. All of mine start first or second pull, without fail! How? Because they are set up correctly. Yours isn't mounted properly and it isn't deep enough in the water. Utter bollocks that it won't start because it was splashed! You can dunk a Seagull in the drink and it will start with minimal attention! Stop blaming the Seagull for your lack of knowledge, if it doesn't start in three pulls don't just keep mindlessly pulling, find out why and fix it! It's overpopulation that's wreaking havoc on the environment not the machines we use, mother nature could easily cope if there were fewer of us on the planet. Stop reproducing, stop IVF, stop finding cures for diseases let nature maintain a balance but don't stop restoring and running the great British Seagull !

[@KeepTurningLeft]

Oh dear oh dear

[@julienfougere3439]

@JohnathanSimmonds Yeah this guy is a dick I remember emailing him as a kid because of something he wrote incorrectly in the magazine Small Craft Advisor, he is highly opinionated none of them good unfortunately.

[@gs425]

Crikey. Mentalist alert.

[@thefloatingapothecaryroman16]

Well said that man

[@stephencrowther524]

What pollutes more - making a new engine from scratch,or running a Seagull ? They both pollute,one is just more obvious than the other.

[@thefloatingapothecaryroman16]

Indeed, like the electrical car movement. They are manufacturing millions of new eco cars which in itself is a joke, more resources from the planet, let alone the devastation to the planets surface mining lithium requirements etc. Keep the existing model, there are alternate fuels available to keep the internal combustion engine going. But sadly that is not where the narrative and money lies. Its not about the environment for the elites, its about money and control. Oh and stop replacing your vehicles so often, this too is not efficient based on demand for more resources from the earth to build your replacements all of the time. Cutting down so many tree's to put up signs saying clean air zones is joke.

[@highdownmartin]

Don't forget folks, visible pollution from a back up outboard versus conspicuous consumption of consumer ( not very) durables. And then there's the drive down to the marina, and oil tankers sluicing their tanks out at sea. Running a seagull is not killing the planet, it's all the other stuff

[@snowflakemelter1172]

I suggest you get in your floating shed and depart these shores for ever, you blasphemer. The Seagull was handed down from god himself ( who is British) and anyone that can't start and maintain a SINGLE cylinder motor is not welcome in blighty, try France.

[@KeepTurningLeft]

Rufus Chucklebutty and has been pouring one third of all the fuel it uses into our lovely waterways - really lads - it is time you hung them on the wall of the garage as the lovely museum pieces they really are

[@snowflakemelter1172]

+KeepTurningLeft where have you got this idea of "a third of the fuel" ?

[@KeepTurningLeft]

Rufus Chucklebutty it is a two stroke engine - it is the way they work - imperfect purging of the cylinder. Very, very bad for your much loved canals. It really is time that you stopped using it. You owe it to the birds, the plants and fishes

[@snowflakemelter1172]

Use biodegradable oil then and dry your eyes princess. The Seagull is a mans engine, reverse gears are for effeminate continental types.

[@carlosmalleum7733]

Er, with modern biodegradable marine 2 stroke oil a Seagull is an entirely viable option

[@Plymouthpilot]

Seagulls have been around for a long time and took part in the Dunkerque evacuation; show them some respect! A Seagull is not just for Christmas; I will certainly keep on using mine. The amount of fuel spillage is miniscule and negligible in the overall scheme of things. Don't be so self righteous.

[@DavidKirtley]

Ahh, but take a look at SOS (Saving Old Seagulls) The environmental impact of the motor running is nothing compared to the impact making the motors. Same as the Morris Minor winning The National Green Apple Awards for Environmental Best Practice. Much greener to keep the old stuff running.

[@whitecompany18]

I run mine on bio marine oil, I prime mine with a rag under it , I have mine in the water at the correct depth so it runs correctly, as its so light id take it off to run the main engine or fit it with a modern spark plug cap ...either way I wouldn't pour petrol in the water to try and make a point : (

[@KeepTurningLeft]

it is still a two stroke and only burns 2/3 of the fuel - the remainder of which is inserted into the environment in which your much loved fish swim

[@stevec-b6214]

@@KeepTurningLeft your diesel is soo clean buttercups grow in the exhaust?

[@paultaylor7691]

I'll comment similarly to a lot of others here but there are quite a few flaws with this video which paints a dim view of 50 year+ technology. The point is that these engines ARE reliable, if simple in design and in the 21st century, are regarded as needless polluters but would suggest that most are used as a back-up engine rather than a vessel's main power-source. Like any other engine, a few easy maintenance procedures are all that's needed to ensure reliability. Back in the day, it was normal to see people smoking cigarettes everywhere but times and people's perceptions change but some people still choose to smoke & pollute the air around them and so it is with the British Seagull. Compared to the volumes & amount of dross which is dumped in the oceans, seas, rivers & creeks around the world, I hardly think a few Seagull's waste should lead to them being excommunicated!

[@shadowfax1220]

+Paul Taylor Plus how much environmental damage caused by manufacturing a new engine?

[@paultaylor7691]

Quite so. I just don't believe that a few thousand old Seagulls are so environmentally disasterous when compared to the millions of other outboards in use around the globe.

[@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244]

+Paul Taylor His sailboat's main engine is a diesel, which is far worse than a little 64cc two stroke that you use once in a while. All engined sailboats use diesels so this is totally bogus complaint. If he really cares, he should be paddling his boat out to the wind, like sailors used to have to do. Just don't tickle the carb. It causes you to have to turn over the engine a couple times more, but that's it.

[@apieschel]

The famous British Seagull, lovelly.like the VW but needs care.It never let me down when coming home!. Thanks

[@ArcticSorroW]

Mate she aint in the water enough for water to flow through well and constant she doesnt sound good reving up and down 100rpm every now and then sort it out man i swamped my 40plus seagul today when a huge 6ft wave came over the bow of my 8ft dinghy it still kept going all the 5km to shore and then when i got there i had to turn it off bailed out the remaining water and bang fired first go i love my seagull simple to fix and they still have loads of parts as they are comon as . best 100 nz dollars i spent

[@swankiey]

My Seagull is very environmentally friendly. I can say this with a bit of scientific background, having a Bsc in Ecological and Environmental Science. I would like to put the point of view forward that my 2L Turbo diesel engine in my car dumps 6.2 liters of heavy saturate carbonate oil every time I get it serviced. The engine in question in your vid drops 9/10 parts petrol into the water that evaporates and burns all of the oil it runs on. On an even bigger scale (you might disagree) the manufacturing process implicated to create the plastics on a newer engine have an enormous environmental impact. Not only that plastic is the main pollutant in the oceans, not one letire of water can be found in the ocean that does not contain plastic at a microscopic level. It's been proven that there is so much plastic in the food chain that the chemicals used to produce; the one time use material, is affecting human hormones. I don't hate you, but it's your opinion that belongs in a museum not your engine...

[@KeepTurningLeft]

William Swankie www.ukmarinesac.org.uk/activities/recreation/r03_01.htm www.kimointernational.org/webdata/files/resl102d.pdf summerhillimpact.org/clean-wake-outboard-engine-exchange-program-launches-ontario/

[@KeepTurningLeft]

William Swankie I am sure your environmental credentials are impeccable - but real world evidence suggests that you might possibly be deluded about the environmental impact of your outboard. . Take a look at the way a two stroke works - it purges about a third of the fuel and oil mixture unburned from each cycle. It is the way it works... Sorry about that. As for your most excellent point about the car and the waste oil I am assuming that you are not tipping 6 litres into you much loved local river, estuary or lake every time you do an oil change and that the oil goes to be recycled.

[@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244]

+KeepTurningLeft Biodegradable two-stroke oil......

[@kCI251]

That much oil drips off the motor orlf every car and truck in the UK each day.

[@shadowfax1220]

Facts First. 1) Your Seagull prop is no where near deep enough, hence it sounds very poor and its pulling air down and causing engine to over rev. You should not be able to see the exhaust point. A long shaft is required. 2) Wont Start when Wet!!!!! Load of Rubbish - Dropped my seagull overboard, waited for the tide, picked it up, cleaned & dried spark plug, and it started no problem, (clean fuel obviously - luckily it was nearly empty but surprisingly very little water in there - managed to save some of the fuel and use) What I will admit, is that the engine is being shaken by your main engine, and you don't know how to start a seagull. In your video, you didn't prime the carb, after the engine had been shaken!! 3) As far as the environment issues are concerned,, I do not agree with you. What do you think the environmental damage is caused by manufacturing a completely new engine (say a honda 2.3, which has an even shorter shaft than the seagull) . There have been many calculations of a similar nature with a Prius Hybrid car and a 20 year old american V8, with the energy used to make the prius alone, you could run and maintain an american V8 for 1 Cheaper cost, and 2) less damage to the environment. I can confirm I do not know the exact figures here, but as you admitted yourself, the engine is not going to be used that often, so these seagulls, will over the many years they keep running, do far far less damage to the environment, than putting a new engine on the back of your or any boat.

[@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244]

+shadowfax1220 Yes, this little beast does the work of larger engines that use more fuel, oil, etc. I do think that I will just pull mine a few times more rather than tickle it. Biodegradable oil is now available and so the 2 stroke complaint is gone. His "beast" engine is a diesel and smoking like hell. So his moral complaint is bogus.

[@medwaybob]

Your main engine has a defective gearbox, your auxiliary outboard is poorly mounted and maintained and you dropped your friends outboard in the water. Think you're digging yourself deeper ..... No offence meant.

[@davidupton4730]

The clever eco thinking says, don’t buy a new car ,run an old one and try to limit usage, I run a 14 year old car and I apply this thinking to my outboards. If you look at a Seagull outboard there is nothing on that motor that doesn’t need to be there, it’s paired down to the most basic functionality, a child can repair them, they still make the majority of spares tor them so basically they can last for ever and the only bit of plastic on a Seagull is the fuel pipe and the insulation around the HT lead. I am no eco warrior, I run these motors because I like them.

[@stevec-b6214]

spot on!!

[@Niander101]

You should have used a long shaft engine its not deep enough in the water anyway

[@mikefule330]

Interesting, but it does depend on your points of reference. An engine uses materials and energy (and causes pollution) at the time of manufacture and distribution as well as at the point of use. If you buy a modern 4 stroke, it will have used a lot of resources and energy and created a lot of pollution before it even reaches you from the factory. It would take hundreds of hours of use before this was fully offset by the reduction of pollution at the point of use. That Seagull has already been made and distributed, and it will use energy and resources, and cause pollution, to dispose of it. Also, a modern "clean" 4 stroke has more components, and hardened steel valves and cams etc., whereas a 2 stroke is simpler and "environmentally cheaper" to make. By getting rid of the seagull, you would be preventing that local "oil slick" pollution but at the hidden cost of considerably more somewhere else. The only real answer is to row!

[@KeepTurningLeft]

sorry - you misunderstand. This is about point source pollution. people are running two strokes in environmentally sensitive places where the local wildlife will have to imbine the oily scum until the local bacteria eventually break it down. A properly re-cycled outboard is full of precious metls. Why not break it down and re-create a better engine that you can then use in these sensitive areas. An ai cooled Honda leaves the water as clean as when it started. My Torqueedo does the same.

[@mikefule330]

Thank you for replying in such detail. I appreciate it. I hadn't misunderstood you, though. I was just putting the other side of what is a complex problem. I use a 4 stroke petrol outboard on my SIB and I have a Torqeedo auxiliary on my sailing dinghy. I had 2 strokes on my previous 2 SIBs. I am also a biker and we have the same 2 stroke/4 stroke debates there for similar reasons. I very much agree with you that point source pollution is an issue. Using a 2 stroke in a delicate and sensitive environment is irresponsible. However, replacing it with a 4 stroke (or electric) will cause damage to other environments instead: around the ore quarries, the coal mines/oil wells, the power stations, the foundries and the factories. Recycling is better than disposal, but it is still energy intensive. As most small outboards are only run for a few hours a year, if that, a small bottle of 2 stroke oil can last an occasional boater for years. In most circumstances, therefore, I would (a) choose a 4 stroke if I was starting from scratch but (b) keep a 2 stroke if I already had one. It's all personal opinion, but every time you pass a polythene bag that someone has thrown in the river, that is more pollution than your Seagull will cause in a year of occasional use. That aside, thank you for your videos. They are inspiring to me as a long-time water user, a fairly new sailor, and as someone who spent many childhood holidays at Wells next the Sea. I used to live in a flat in the grounds of Letton Hall near Shipdham, East Dereham.

[@oday3514]

I don't have any specific interest in the Seagull, as I have never owned one. But, I can tell you that yours needs a carburetor cleaning and adjustment. It also needs a new spark plug wire, and clean the points, probably could use a new plug too. Your concern about the priming could be addressed with a small fuel "squeeze bulb," so that you are injecting enough fuel to prime the carb, but not enough to let it dribble into the surrounding water. Don't blame the old engine for the fact that it has not been well maintained. Perhaps you should send it to this guy; kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJ7MeItuZpiKmJo With a 4 stroke, you must change the oil every 50 hours, or every year (whichever comes first). That oil is then recycled - most of it as fuel for waste oil burners, not as (engine) lubricating oil. If it makes you feel any better, the little bit of fuel & oil that you are polluting the water with is nothing compared to the amount of oil/gas/feces/brake fluid/etc that is washed into that same river from the road every time it rains.

[@antibawbagcrew9953]

Give me a seagull any day

[@patrickdiddly1]

Me and my Brother spent many summers out on the water with our 2.5 HP! great engines.

[@VintageDieselCenter]

Seagull outboard motors are one of the best outboards ever designed and produced, I have had one for years, I even keep a pair on my tug boat just in case of a break down, it will be slow to get home but at least we would get home with out issues, They are reliable and if run right accualy very clean engines, Okay sure they are two stroke engines but hay id rather have something that was built to last then a modern pile of unreliable shite that has to be replaced because parts are unobtainable.

[@bobeden5027]

G'day, I live on my boat, an old H28 in Pioneer Bay in the Whitsunday Islands. Most mornings a couple of finches fly in through the for'ard hatch and give me a little wake up song. They have yet to shit on my boat! Still, whatever works for you! I prefer not to spend my time cleaning up shit of any sort! Ha Ha!! Cheers mate.

[@KeepTurningLeft]

trained engineer, been an owner of seagulls for many years until engines that are more efficient and less polluting came along.

[@jonronmic]

Seagull, the worst and most unstable outboard I have sailed with, and it was even a brand new, we're back in the middle of the 70s

[@OldJong]

You now have a Tohatsu 6hp 4 strokes. I am sure you already love it! Those 4 strokes barely sip gas and still have some nice tork! I am looking forward to see it and your new boat on videos. Michel. :-)

[@guitar1501]

A lot of these seagulls are over 50 years old and many still running, I doubt that Honda will be running over 50 years from now, not with everyday use anyway

[@keithbest8588]

You obviously now nothing about seagulls so you're not really in any position to remark on them . I agree with the previous comment , the seagull is not running correctly , probably due to incorrect maintenance or lack off . I've run seagulls all my life and when set up properly they always start hot or cold and don't mind being splashed with water after all that's what they were designed to do !!!

[@nmsalt]

I tend to agree because the oilslick following a seagull is embarassing, and a stark reminder of the pollution being created, but looking at it rationally the issue of a little unburned oil and petrol is a drop in the ocean compared to the environmental impact of actually burning the fuel and releasing the carbons stored, a crime which all boat engines are guilty of. I really don't think they actually pollute any more than other engines, they just prick your conscience by showing you the damage.

[@saladbay]

Thank you for such a good video. I love the Seagull motor too.

[@KeepTurningLeft]

but we use them up creeks - some of the most sensitive environments in the World. There is a perfectly acceptable and superior alternative - polish your antique up and hang it on the wall over the fireplace

[@stevec-b6214]

some of us cannot afford to stop using something that works. your stinky diesel isnt much better

[@secondgrowthhomes]

My seagull on my 18' daysailor burns 1/3 of a gallon to get my to logging site. My 21' parker burns 5 gallons to get to the same site. We got back and forth everyday, so i am saving basically 9 gallons of fuel per day by using the seagull. Now given it burns smoky and oily, but it is also from 1958 - while the Yamaha 150s blow up in less than 10 years. So??? i dont feel to bad about it. lol small impact i feel. think of it like, 1 giant ship starts up, and puts out more emissions than all the seagulls on the planet in 5 minutes.

[@OldJong]

You have a point! Those things cans have what we could call "rustic charm" ;-)

[@TheBadaren]

The engine makes me remember our old Archimedes with a large flywheel and copper tank. It sounded and smelled terrible. Once started, it was almost impossible to stop! I was very tired and hot, I remember, of all that pulling the string. Hooray for the new quiet, easy to start, and more environmentally friendly technology!

[@nobodyyouknow222]

there are two bad aspects of the seagull. First.. when you prime it to start it.. you push the button.. which depresses the float.. until fuel overflows. The raw fuel.. overflows straight into the water. This is actually borrowed from old motorcycle technology.. and by old we mean 1930's. Second... is the extremely rich oil/gas mixture specified. Again these things were designed long before ashless 50:1 high detergent lubricants came along. Infact these things were designed when oil really had few if any additives. So, if one wants to minimize unburned oil expelled into the water through the exhaust.. one is forced to experiment and risk the machine itself. One can Catastrophize, or Rationalize either side of the question... till the cats come home. But it is undeniable that a modern 4 stroke will exhaust almost no unburned oil. One trades quietude for underwater exhaust. The only really clean alternative is electric... and an electric outboard in a salt water environment is quite problematic... at least the wiring is ! Electric inboards are extremely simple.. and ultra reliable. If one talks morality one goes to pure sail... or rows. Those of us living in the real world..do the best we can. I used my seagull religiously in the 60's and 70's and into the 80;s. when I bought another one.. I was fearful of being arrested ! Maybe it is the best outboard for the world.. but NOT for California.. !!

[@KeepTurningLeft]

now, now, you know that you should not throw such good sense along with facts at seagullists - they don't like to hear that they are doing a bad thing for the environment. Look at how angry they get in the comments below. I think of them as the sort of people who like to light up their briar pipes in a room full of people. Seagullsare amazingly reliable and long lived, easy to fix etc, etc..... but by golly they are dirty bloody things to run through delicate environments

[@nmsalt]

Also the noise is so terrible you only turn a seagull on when you really need it, that's better for the environment ;)

[@thewanderingbox8253]

have you seen the worst poisons when making a lithium battery!

[@characterboat22]

Silly to comment on such an old video but thanks for saying what you said and thanks for the great comment reading! I saw the title and knew I was in for some good fun. You're spot on in regards to the environmental impact. Your commitment to the environment comes out in your videos and I love that you don't put on your engine till the bitter end. It's a sail boat, not a motorboat. I power my boat with a fairly modern Yamaha two stroke and even it's too dirty. 100:1 oil mix, pollution tuned carby, uses very little fuel, electronic ignition. It's about as good as you'll get with a two stroke and all you have to do is run it for five minutes in a bucket to realize the damage it's doing to the waterways. The things are filthy and the Seagull was designed for longevity and simplicity not cleanliness. And if you don't want to introduce new outboards to the planet there plenty of modern reliable outboards produced since the introduction of the seagull nearly a century ago. You can pick up some great reliable 80's and 90's motors for a song that will go forever and be much kinder to the environment.

[@cpobyrne1]

Controversial Dylan! I have to say I have a Honda 2.3 (same as yours) and I don't think its any great shining example to humanity. If you accidentally tilt it the wrong way you get oil dripping all over the place!

[@pipleo6313]

Still using my Seagull forty plus on my Hurley most days. Love the reliability and simplicity of it compared to heavier more complicated outboards. Will continue to use it for as long as possible. What yacht is it you have? Thanks

[@dakotaconve9509]

Entertaining indignation here. While Dylan's review IS lacking, the simple fact is... It's a museum piece, that's a polluting 2 stroke at the best of times, even when well maintained. Sure you can run ester based 2 stroke oil and possibly run E85 ethanol in a carb based 2 stroke, but you can't get around the design which dumps so much of it's fuel and oil in the air and water. I'm guessing that the real reason for the indignation is, that so much of British motor engineering was eclipsed, and has deservingly disappeared into the past. People like keeping hold of the past. For some reason people treat this like a religion. Heck some people support the Reliant Robin. lol

[@postaltraining]

+Dakota Conve entertaining indignation or synthetic outrage? lol

[@bobeden5027]

Doesn't matter where you go! Every Seagull int the world now has your boats blacklisted and will shit upon them from a great height!

[@KeepTurningLeft]

+Bob Eden strangely enough, I am such a bird anorak that I like it when seagulls choose my boats as suitable places to eat their breakfast. They are magnificent birds close up and I like to watch them eat or smash crabs on the foredeck. A quick bucket of water gets rid of it. They are better at marriage than we are and stay hitched for upwards of 25 years. Very loyal, very clever, brilliant in flight. I can forgive them for their shitting.

[@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244]

+KeepTurningLeft So I read down and your strongest complaint is that the old things leak oil, etc. People rebuild these and with new gaskets and sealing, they don't leak at all. The main problem I've seen, and the original manual warns of it, is that the fuel tank seals and fuel line must be in good shape. So again, I think you're complaints are petty and fairly bogus. Your new two four strokes use far more fuel than that one little Seagull did. A four stroke outboard can't be stowed away, either, without the oil leaking out everywhere and fouling up the cylinder.

[@mazdarx7887]

All thats wrong with that is it needs some TLC.

[@laserd8]

Seagulls were sold in the USA about 40 years ago... doesn't look like its changed at all. I've got a 1936 Evinrude outboard, same technology, down to the leaky carb that's primed by pumping the float. Its also just as cranky!

[@carlosmalleum7733]

Your carb needs looking at and the plug cleaned. On the pollution argument... This dosent stack up, modern 2 stroke oils are biodegradable, the engine is tiny and compared to the fumes, and oily particulates your average inboard diesel engine produces. From a carbon emissions perspective (re using properly set up and serviced legacy machinery is considerably more green than buying a new one... Why? Well because it's paid for its carbon footprint hundreds of times over.) as to the electric outboard option, well that's OK provided the electricity used to charge the battery is produced in a renewable manner, otherwise you are just dumping the problem on the folk who live next door to the power station. The problem with ANY internal combustion engine is that it MUST be maintained and serviced to run at peak efficiency, this Seagull sounds as if it is neither. These engines were made at a time when people had to understand how to tinker with points and carburettors to get the best performance. If you are experiencing a plug and play go elsewhere, the reason why they are reliable is unlike a modern fuel injected and electronically ignited engine, they can be fettled and adjusted to get you home, the modern engine either works or it dosent. Your engine has a hot starting issue, the carb needs looking at.

[@RyanneilCunliffe-vd6bk]

You could catch the over flow petrol in a container.

[@ryane.7894]

That’s what I thought! Or an absorption cloth

[@christopherhampson265]

Haw Haw an absorption cloth !!!!!!!!! I use a clean rag under the carb when I tickle it !! Then I take it home to light my oil fired boiler but it's usually dark outside so I don't notice the huge plumes of black hydrocarbons wafting up towards heaven 😂😂❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@petejohnson1724]

i passed my seagull to the scrap yard many years ago and now have a very nice honda for the sam reasons

[@petejohnson1724]

you probably disgust me too if i knew why you worried about a bit of polluting junk

[@billbye1432]

the little mammy jammer takes off running when it damn well feels like it not when it needs to run! reminds me of one of my x-wives just can't remember which x it was! she was a cranky bee also!

[@250tegra]

Your Seagull has *probably* been dunked in the sea at some point, or salt spray has been allowed to accumulate over the years. Either way, the symptoms fit, since salt in the ignition wiring will conduct the spark to earth quicksmart. If you want fix your problem, strip and wash the engine parts in clean water, renew the wiring and plug, invest in a set of points, rebuild, buy or sew a canvas hood for the engine and try again. Our 30 ft 6-berth "Pilgrim" would rattle along at 7 knots plus with a truly gruesome 1990s 6hp Johnson (if it would start), so your difficulty stemming the current may be due to your boat? Perhaps it's monohull leadmines that truly belong in a museum? ;)

[@josephlee4363]

back to where it came from

[@KeepTurningLeft]

you are so right Dylan

[@TheBillcoon]

That is stone club and bear skin technology! Seagulls were built to be museum pieces! Gas and water don't mix! But on the other hand the darned thing runs.

[@philldownes8685]

the man is an idiot and a liar, this engine is older than the 1970's model and has been abused by a idiot (him) the boat its on his shit anyway, but that's not the point. this engine should be lowered by about 5 inches with the prop fitted. Ipersonally I wouldtake the engine off and burn that poxy boat..its more like a meths drinkers shed than a gin palace ha ha ha .

[@bothecat1966]

***** excellent

[@snowflakemelter1172]

That done tell the peasant. Seagull liberation front.

[@SimonLeslieEllis]

The British Seagull owners manual is one of the greatest ever written. It should be studied in schools as a shining example of how to authoritively give instruction in clear and concise English. Back in 1970 I was only 13 but never failed to start my mum's Forty-Plus in more that 3 pulls (hot or cold!). I think the Progressive Agenda machine (inform your friends at the 'Guardian' Dylan) should exempt the Seagull Outboard Motor from special attention given its many virtuous qualities?

[@Niander101]

You should look at an old 1940 wartime seagull an SD model or Marston with lots of brass parts much more beautiful!

[@stevec-b6214]

you lost me on this one, if you can`t fettle a seagull, you are lost forever. After many many years, they have paid their carbon footprint.

[@KeepTurningLeft]

I hear what you say... but I think their figures assume that the old engine will not be recycled... and that the new engine contains no recycled bits at all also the seagull is pouring itse filth into some of the most environmentally s4ensitive parts of this planet. They are wonderful museum pieces and that is where they should be Dylan

[@catbehaviourchannel]

Apparently, you're meant to have a drip tray under a seagull whilst you use it...

[@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244]

His main motor is a diesel, so his moral complaint is bogus. All the sailboats that I've ever seen use diesels unless $they have a kicker and that is usually 2 stroke as well. Four stroke engines, even the small ones, are much heavier than 2 strokes. He's going to find that out, too. Biodegradable two stroke oil is the answer and just don't use the tickler in the water. I just acquired a 75 Seagull. I will start it out of the water so that I don't have to tickle it, or just pull cord a couple extra times.

[@OldJong]

These Seagulls must be stealproof! Nobody would steal such a thing. I agree about it being a piece of ingenering but I think I prefer the Supermarine Spitfire as a classical english Chef d'oeuvre! ;-)

[@Larry11549]

You Luddites need to quit drinking the kool aid, these crude antiques engines are a pain in the ass to start and HORRIBLE polluters of air and water. I love all 3 of mine but not enough to use them in sensitive areas.....modern 2 and 4 stroke engines save you a lot of grief and the environment a lot of damage.......

[@LittleHotels]

I really can't understand this strange affection that some people have for the Seagull. Fine when it was the only outboard available, but it is now a crude, smelly, polluting dinosaur. Like the ghastly Villiers motorcycle engine, it is a shining example of the failings of some parts of British industry.

[@Plymouthpilot]

They last forever! Is that good enough?

[@jcameronvideoproductions4271]

Use your Hondaha and continue to demonstrate your ignorance and lack of class. You drink wine from a box don't you Paul?

[@LittleHotels]

No. I drink wine from a glass.

[@guitar1501]

Maybe I don't to buy a four stroke because if I want to take it home it's a lot of extra weight

[@ismzaxxon]

put a cover on it

[@johnburgess5534]

Hot starting will improve if you change the condenser.

[@conozgaming]

look lad you have a single cylinder engine , which happens to be a seagull ,one of the most reliable and easy to maintain engines, now tell me what the fuck you did to make it sound like a toaster?

[@shadowfax1220]

+conoz He Didn't have it deep enough in the water

[@phillnjack]

funny how 2 million seagulls were made and most are still running, hard to start !!!!!oh no they aint. today after a 1 year rest in the back of garage started on 2nd pull, the longest ive left it untouched is 10 years, that took 3 pulls to get it started..if seagull had made a 25hp version no other manufacturer would be around today,they are the most reliable engine ever made for marine use..just go look at the amount of them on the back of tenders on big boats incase of trouble.

[@johntomkinson9822]

I had a long shaft with a sort of lever clutch and it was brilliant and it revved so slow it was great for mooring it was perfect for a 22 footer, but in general they make great anchors.

[@chrisb9373]

John Tomkinson idiot.

[@KeepTurningLeft]

maybe you don't give a flying fig about the fuel and crud it injects into the water you enjoy sailing/fishing/swimming in

[@PaulChamberlain-of3dm]

More pollution from all the cars around the world sat idling waiting for food in drive through restaurants

[@russg1801]

OK, you've got an Atomic 4 or some such inboard auxiliary engine in your sailboat so Why TF do you even have a Seagull on it?

[@KeepTurningLeft]

MD1 - 50 years old - I sail in an area where poorly marked lobster pot bouys with lovely long trailing floating lines are plentiful and hazardous.

[@jcameronvideoproductions4271]

Keith, you should be stripped of your British citizenship and accent. Blasphemer!

[@KeepTurningLeft]

I now run four stroke outboards - no diesel anymore

[@SailingCartagena]

Great when they work

[@KeepTurningLeft]

better for the environment when they don't Dylan

[@TheMarkanthony5]

Sea gull engines can be used quite safely in the environment simply by using some extra care!!! I use bio degradable oil for fuel mix, all my gaskets are replaced!!! and when i use the carb tickler i hold a cloth under the carb so it does not leak fule directly into the water. Just that;little extra care I can make my 1966 seagull in my opinion no less a problem than a modern one.Just use some care and sense. I wonder how much your inboard diesel engine chucks out shit lol food for thought ha and those with four stroke engines what you doing with your oil changes.

[@KeepTurningLeft]

+mark farley www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1247506/

[@fiveowaf454]

Another thing to consider when disparaging 2 strokes and how much unused fuel and oil enters the water is operating speed. If you look at fuel consumption rates for older style 2 strokes they are pretty efficient when run at higher rpm and compare quite favorably to newer motors, when you look at cruising fuel consumption figures. Where they don't run well is at low rpm where the port timing is inefficient, at these speeds you will have unburnt fuel and oil exiting the exhaust. The last time I used my Seagull 90, an 80's model, in anger on my inflatable I used only a few gallons of fuel during a 10 day vacation exploring the area we stayed in. I used synthetic biodegradable oil, there was no smoke or odor and even the residual oil in the exhaust was immediately emulsified when any came out after use. So while I would not claim it to be the most environmentally friendly outboard motor, it certainly isn't the environmental disaster some would want you to believe either, if running properly with the correct fuel and oil and run in the right rpm range. When you can run for so long on a pint or two of fuel, how much pollution can you really cause? My larger boat with a 300 hp 4 stroke engine in contrast burns around 30 gallons per hour at full throttle, 10 gallons per hour at it's cruising speed. Any engine that is badly maintained and not setup to run at it's best will cause unnecessary pollution and waste fuel. Also if you have it mounted incorrectly on the boat, as it is in this video, not deep enough in the water and with the wrong angle of trim then you will get poor performance and burn unnecessary fuel. Regarding starting, I have 3 Seagull Motors, all of which fire right up hot cold or even after sitting for years without being used. My 80's model with electronic ignition and forward-neutral-and reverse gears is the best starting motor I've ever owned. Yes they are old and quirky, but let's not use the hysterics of modern environmental thinking to demonize these old museum pieces. The main reason I rarely use my Seagulls is because of pollution - noise pollution, they are rather loud when using much throttle, fortunately they usually push you along at hull speed at less than 1/2 throttle which keeps the noise down. They are however great emergency power units, light and self contained that can be stowed on board and that you know will fire right up if needed to get you home.

[@KeepTurningLeft]

post again in fifty years

[@makinamadness8058]

do you still own and use this engine?

[@KeepTurningLeft]

nope

[@joedoe199966]

how can you moan about one little engine when you get super tankers flushing there tanks at sea huge diesel engines spewing fumes left right and center toxic run offs spills and poor waste management. its an old classic engine enjoy it while you can.

[@keithbest8588]

Maybe you're video should have been about 2 stroke outboards in general , it's true they're not so efficient as a 4 stroke but my problem is in you're video a lot of effort has gone into showing the seagull in a bad light i.e poor starting when hot and not wanting to start after being splashed by you're main engine ! These facts are just particular to you're seagull which has not been looked after properly ! Bit unfair to single out the seagull if you're gripe is with 2 strokes in general !!!

[@johnbenjamin5891]

why has he got it then?

[@alanpassat6759]

if it's a disgrace why do it? Are you bloody stupid?

[@chrisb9373]

Well I can't believe that some one like you could do this to a piece of history, you have produced some nice videos, but you let yourself down with this one, shame on you. you could have just mentioned it in passing, but to take the time to make a video on trying to destroy the seagull i personally find offensive. before I wrote this I watched some of your others videos, quite entertaining but your lack of knowledge when it comes to looking after what you obviously enjoy surprises me, did you do this video to get people talking for ratings or something. You must have known people will have a go to defend the Seagull.

[@KeepTurningLeft]

personally offensive..... get a grip man. As for the pollution two strokes create - polish it up... hang it on a wall.. look at it by all means but they should not be used in our environmentally sensitive waterways

[@chrisb9373]

KeepTurningLeft This is why you do it. "There are two subjects that are almost guaranteed to produce ridiculously long web forum discussions and are almost bound to end in some pretty bad tempered posts." and "the rudest youtube comments are always attached to this film they make me laugh". From your web site, so its not about the 2 stroke, it's all about you upsetting good folk, so you can have a laugh. well I hope you have had a good laugh at people, after all, were all here you make your day as happy as possible.

[@chrisb9373]

Chris The Seagull what no answer, cat got your tongue, I saw one more video of yours where you run the beast and the exhaust lays on the water, o dear, but the other one was about you anti fouling right near a swans nest and you were laughing about how bad you are. what was worst you carried on painting the owner of that ship yard should be fined, now how funny would that be.

[@richardd3663]

Idiot!