Kurapika vs EVERY Phantom Troupe Member (HXH 2024)

[@SoftwareNeos]

Theres so many people in the comments that just GLAZE the power system.... like attack power and speed just dont matter. When it still does. meanwhile theres so many charachters or fights that are straight up determined by strength and speed. SOMETIMES the haxes determines wins. But theres still context to fights. Some of the spiders just dont have the attack power to even damage kuripika. Hes pretty much faster than most of them. So "HEITAN BLITZES AND CUTS HIS HEAD" isnt gonna happen. and most haxes/ abilities aint gonna do anything if you dont have the attack or speed will keep up. Pain Path aint really gonna work if he just kills him quick or he cant even see him. All you got is chrollo and its still a hard fight for him.

[@nooperator2]

Togashi literally has to do things that I did in this video constantly to plot out and storyboard his fights, as well as make them hold up in the power system and make sense. But no one wants to hear that. Some people just plain don't like power scaling and will use the "complicated power system" as an excuse to shut down any actual discussion in favor of vibes. They'll try to frame it as "you don't understand the series" but in reality, we probably understand it more than them lmao.

[@ickyfist]

Chrollo could easily beat Kurapika with the right preparation. Kurapika relies too heavily on emperor time. There are a ton of ways to counter that like for example a time dilation ability that locks his opponent in a time speed up and basically either kills kurapika in a matter of seconds or forces him to not use emperor time in which case he's a free kill.

[@Joe-8iv]

@@ickyfist And how would he know about the Emperor's time downside? Besides, it would be really stupid if he had an ability even for such a nieche situation

[@Joe-8iv]

By the way, how does Feitan not have the attack power to damage Kurapika, when he was slightly hurt by a 9mm bullet back in the beginning of Succesion Contest arc? Kurapika is no Zazan, Feitan's blade wouldn't simply break on contact. I do agree that Kurapika wins and Feitan does not blitz him, but Kurapika definitely isn't as durable as you say, it would still be mid diff at least.

[@Hissingace110]

The Feitan glazing continues. Nevermind the fact that Kurapika has multiple instant-win conditions that don't involve inflicting damage first. Or the fact that every Troupe member had time to run away through a network of tunnels before the ability went off. Or his poor reaction time after using Ko. I'm not trying to say Feitan is weak, but this is an abysmal match-up for him. Steal chain or chain jail end the fight before he can even use his ability, and even if he manages to activate it, that would give Kurapika plenty of time to steal it or cancel it with forced Zetsu.

[@artyparty8166]

Low IQ comment

[@Hissingace110]

@artyparty8166 Feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong.

[@artyparty8166]

@@Hissingace110 I was jk

[@siya2195]

​@@artyparty8166😂😂😂 tf

[@Mooinator3000]

Using post mortem Hisoka as an anti feat is absolutely wild

[@nooperator2]

If you get one shot by Hisoka, you aren't surviving long against Kurapika. It's not rocket science lol

[@FrankieH-79]

@@nooperator2well how could you know that? Post mortem nen hisoka is unknown he could literally be way above kurapicka, and also you can’t just scale them on raw power but also how their abilities matchup, especially since shalnark and kortopi were without nen

[@Berlinh2]

@@FrankieH-79 u are literally the nerd emoji

[@FrankieH-79]

@@Berlinh2 go watch dragon ball then mate 🤓

[@DaeshaniSanchez]

​@@Berlinh2my guy ur on a comment section debating which cartoon character wins, we are all the fucking nerd emoji🤓

[@IsaacDionne]

Kurapika literally developed his abilities to beat the spiders. He could’ve done it in the YorkNew arc. His perception and intelligence growth confirms he would no doubt beat all the spiders.

[@ericb8241]

Imagine thinking they’re as strong as 4 arcs ago lol

[@Y-ot4eb]

​@@ericb8241Ofcourse there are as strong as before. Did you see them training somewhere in the Manga or was it told that Phantom Troupe regularly do intense training to keep them strong?

[@ericb8241]

@ chrollo is literally powering up his ability again, and its 10x stronger than in yorknew already via multiple abilities at once and bookmarks. Do you see how moronic you sound?

[@IsaacDionne]

@@ericb8241I’d say Kurapika has grown even more than any of the spiders, but he’s a specialist whose based his entire skill set around beating them, to the point where there effects only work if the target is a spider. His innate advantage is huge bc it limits his options when he’s not facing a spider. Kurapika is easily the spiders biggest threat, but he has outgrown his desire for revenge and instead wants to recover the eyes of his clan so they can have justice.

[@لاإلهإلاالله-ر8ع]

@@IsaacDionnelol what are you saying. Only chain jail is for the spiders. Emperor time which makes him get full control of every nen category can be used against anyone.

[@lammymammy1]

Another thing to mention about Illumi is that if Illumi didn't think he could beat Kurapika, he would avoid the fight altogether

[@MW_08]

Post mortem Hisoka is a complete unknown. Using him as an anti-feat was odd

[@nooperator2]

Post Mortem Hisoka is not a complete unknown lol If you are getting one hit KO'd by Hisoka, you're not surviving long against Kurapika who is of similar strength/skill. Simple as.

[@deathreaper4166]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@nooperator2What makes Kurapika similar strength/skill to Hisoka? Hisoka is like 5 points higher than Kurapika in total data book stats that’s the same difference between Pitou and Kite. Hisoka also has feats against nen masters like Chrollo and pretty much considers himself above Illumi and the whole phantom troupe outside of Chrollo. Why does Kurapika scale to this tier in any way? And are you saying Kurapika physically is on a similar level to a post mortem nen amped Hisoka? That’s insane.

[@rif5556]

Where do we get the idea that Kurapika is relative to Hisoka from? I'm not saying its wrong but have we really seen anything that would confirm that?

[@MW_08]

@ before hisokas death kurapika was relative to uvo who is physically stronger than hisoka but like post mortem hisoka could definitely be over uvo

[@deathreaper4166]

@@MW_08 He was only relative to 50% Uvogin. 100% Uvogin shattered his arm with max Ken defence. The statements about Uvo being the physically strongest and invincible are in reference to full power Uvogin as Franklin states when Uvogin had something to protect it brought out the best in him and as a duo with Nobunaga he had his best results and they were invincible.

[@CalmDubs]

I thought we knew for a fact that nobu is an enhancer.

[@CTP909]

I thought so too

[@melissacorona9688]

Last batch of chapters togashi himself released some info books about nen and characters that show their nen affinities and to everyone’s surprised he changed the way we all see nen, you can be an Enhancer but lean towards Transmutation and be a Enhanced Transmuttuer, you can do this with any affinity so now no matter your affinity you have 3 options( I’ll be using enhancer but you can do this with any affinity) You can be a straight up enhancer You can be Enhancer/Emitter You can be enhancer/ transmutor. Be a a straight up en

[@johnxina7496]

To sum-up : most of them are featless so we donr fking know.

[@TheM4rxman]

A major flaw in your discussion is the fact that you use Uvogin vs Kurapika as a baseline for him fighting the modern day Phantom Troupe. Uvo used brute strength and had no idea Kurapika's Nen was practically based entire around fighting them. With that knowledge now these match-ups would be a completely different circumstance.

[@nothanksthough]

You tell me how feitan gets off painpaker before chain jail gets him

[@Onii-chan_choso]

@@nothanksthough he doesn’t need painpacker if he can speedblitz kurapika and decapitate him. That’s probably me being biased tho so idk🤷‍♂️😭

[@free--dirty9199]

@@Onii-chan_chosofeitan speed overrated ngl, the support members of the troupe were able to keep up with him

[@lanceshadow7335]

@@Onii-chan_choso how tf does he speedblitz him when he has better enhancing abilities at 100% compared to feitans 80% 😭

[@HoopsRaccoon]

@@nothanksthoughlook at it like this, hxh is built around keeping your hatsu a secret. Ging or netero have seen to be the best at this. Ging infused nen in a recording tape so it’d be erased because kilua said he didn’t want anyone to get info about his height or weight from a recording!!!! And netero surprised his nen to appear weaker. To me, the fake that they know how chain jail works is terrible for pika. Knowing someone’s ability is half the battle, the IQ to take them down is the next part. And who knows, maybe the troupe have a nen curse that repels chains. Who knows.

[@punctualwizard]

Shizuku getting shade for the arm wrestling contest is wild considering she was using her weaker arm

[@maxmustermann9058]

Not really, the difference between arms is not that big and Yorknew City Gon is a total amateur. Sure she would have won with her dominant arm, but struggeling at all against a Gon that has not even learned yet to allocate nen to specific body parts is bad.

[@nanayawagyen-kokuro5069]

Irrelevant, her strength isn't doing anything since Kurapika beat Uvogin.

[@Nosajskie]

Everyone forgot that the phantom troupe knows Kurapika’s weakness.

[@illamatic1378]

This should be a series who in hunter x hunter could beat the phantom troupe separate and together 🤔

[@insertname5371]

I don't think mizai was worried about kurapika because hes more powerful but becuase it would further create chaos. Like the troupe vs him is a destabilizing force and contrary to his goals. Hes just a careful person and I think was debating how it would affect his mental state. From what we see of Mizai i think hes got a potent kit and should be at least able to restrain kurapika if needed but hes not omnipresent and fearful of what happens if they meet in general

[@MW_08]

He clears them cus he counters them but in general Chrollo is the better combatant, even without prep I feel Kurapika would need chain jail for Chrollo

[@johng.2220]

Chain jail, game over

[@stevegfx9312]

what if chrollo understanding how strong kurapika is and how weak he would be against him prepared in case he ever met him. What if he found an ability that’s sole purpose is to counter an ability, something witty like that. Even parallel future would counter chain jail.

[@IDoThisNoCAP]

Also chain jail is specifically designed only for the phantom troupe. And kuripka can only use it during emperor time. Now chrollo is superior to kurapika. He not on hisoka illumi or chrollo level

[@reichen609]

Ooh! This was very entertaining! Going to share this vid! ⛓️🕸️⛓️

[@isaiasabinadisosagarcia936]

I hadn't thought much about how we haven't really seen Kurapika use Skill Hunter to its full potential yet. All he's really done is yeah form various necessary alliances with other princes through his nen class and all that, but the only skill he's used from another guy was the ability to control an insect. I can't imagine an ability less impressive than that.

[@angrymeowngi]

Only real question here is will Kurapika end up with a chronic lower back pain from digging all the graves?

[@clintonb5627]

Kurapicka is there Hard counter. He can defeat most of them 1 vs 1….These members imo have the potential to kill Kurapicka….Feitan, Chrollo, Franklin. Nobunaga imo would do well but he’ll lose imo in the end, Bonolov also I see doing well but he’ll die in the end. The rest stand no chance against him.

[@XXX_2900]

What about Phinks? Machi?

[@mattb.7079]

imo

[@angrymeowngi]

Only surprised attack is their win condition. Once Kurapika is in his specialist mode, none of them stand a chance. 100% enhancement Kurapika can only be probably damage by Hatsus and Feitan will be in chain jail before he can activate his painpacker. If he makes contact with Kurapika, Kurapika can attache his Chain Jail to him. Bono and Phinks' Hatsu takes time to activate as well. Franklin's bullets have only damaged fodders so far so we don't know if he has anything stronger than Uvo's Bigbang Impact that Kurapika can take and heal instantly. So really, only Chrollo has a fair chance but he'd need to be prepared with counter abilities because if he does not have a counter to Chain Jail, then it will still be in Kurapika's favor. As for Nobunaga, can he cut Kurapika's chains? If not, then he also goes in chain jail in the first few seconds. He also has the worst luck in the Troupe. Machi needs more feats. Don't forget that Kurapika can instantly heal injuries that would immediately incapacitate all the spider members.

[@mattb.7079]

@@angrymeowngi good points, except that Uvo didn't use Big Bang Impact against Kurapika, it was Ryu punches; as shown with Feitan, Ko attacks are too dangerous to be used in combat except if the enemy is stunned

[@sammalla5238]

can you review the first chapter of DRAMA QUEEN, might be a jump hit next year

[@PauloHenrique-ok3yb]

he clears all of them, he's their kryptonite

[@sammalla5238]

nope

[@Dolceandgabana]

Chrollo exists... Y'all downplaying him way too much.

[@CTP909]

​@@Dolceandgabananobody downloading chrollo. It's just him and kurapika are too similar. Difference is kurapika already has his plan ready for any spider while chrollo would have to make a plan from scratch for him

[@pretentiouscarrot4292]

@@Dolceandgabanayeah glaze Chrollo too much too. Without prep Kurapika is stomping. With prep it’ll be a tough fight but I still think Kurapika wins

[@PauloHenrique-ok3yb]

​@@pretentiouscarrot4292 chrollo with prep is beast, he humiliated hisoka, no way kurapika can win but without prep, I think kurapika has a chance to win, but idk, chrollo is probably fast enough to avoid chain jail

[@Albert-g7b2d]

Did you know bungee gum possesses the properties of rubber and gum

[@uptowndadeboi7925]

Nobunaga said he was the strongest in strength next to Uvo

[@nooperator2]

The strength chart instantly disproves that lmao

[@mewmewuniverse]

Kurapika is literally the Spider's karma incarnate. there's no way any of the Spiders win against him. Even the strongest spider, Chrollo, will struggle to put up a fight against Kurapika.

[@Purriah]

9:20 she wasn't using nen... 15:22 nice headcanon its pronounced ben-oh-len-ov

[@Lunaspapa]

Pretty much the only PT member who stacks up to Kurapika is Chrollo and it’s a difficult fight to win.

[@awon6518]

Uvo could have easily been one of the strongest nen users if he used punching the ground smokescreen with his scream and big bang punch.

[@lynox172]

My guess( I don’t value chain chail as high) Pakundoa win rate against kurapika 2%(lucky shot) Kortopi 0% Shalnark 40%(i don’t think chai jail works when he‘s in autopilot since he is being Manipulated) Uwogin 15%(to Hotheaded) Shizuku (1% same as pakunoda) Binolenov (49%, dependent on if he gets abilities of and how much kurapika pressures him) Franklin20%(he shoot’s enhanced nen bullets which might give him the edge in an long range fight) Machi15%( aside from experience she has nothing going for her and her abilities aren’t suited to fight Kurapika, maybe she can stall) Phinks 16%( his abilities and personality is unfitting, to hotheaded) Kalluto(1%, to young and not experienced enough) Nobunaga 51%( his ability is perfect to fighting kourapika and he is careful enough to dodge his chains, which leads to him blocking all chains and likely winning in a battle of attrition) Feitan 40%( I like feitan, but his abilitiy is not good for this fight if kourapika wins, it will likely be with chain jail, as I don’t think kourapika is stupid enough to fight him the same as uvigin) Illumi 55%(much more experienced and cold, calculating, if there fighting on illumis terms it would likely go up to 80 as kourapika gets swarmed and attritioned in a long hunt, otherwise if Hisoka judges Illumi at 95 points it’s fair to say he will hold up physically and be careful enough to dodge kourapikas abilities, with him likely retreating to fight from the shadows) Chrollo 80% in prime, 100% with prep and 70% right now( Chrollo is probably one of the strongest beings in hunter hunter, Hisoka was a beast and the Zoldiks as well, Kourapika can’t blitz him in physical stats alone and in any other battle chrollo has a wider range of abilities, greatly mastery, more experience and more stamina) if Kourapika goes Kamikaze maybe 50% Hisoka 60 %( after seeing Hisoka not for a while, he doesn’t seem to impressive. Gon and killua were generational talents and kourapika is likely on their level, despite this I doubt that con and killua together could have taken Hisoka on, if kourapika fights him he’s entertaining into a game of traps.with his only escape being chain jail, which might even have another drawback we don’t know, such as what happens when you answer all questions) For the situation Hisoka might be essentially imortal right Chrollo has been gathering abilities for 20 years and can use upto 3 at a time, Kurapika is still not a threat to him.

[@crocoboi7936]

In shizuku’s arm wrestle with gon to be fair she wasn’t using nen and it was her non dominant hand

[@MrSpitfire2008]

You should also factor in chrollo's emotions. I think a bloodlusted chrollo might be either an advantage or disadvantage.

[@Bft149]

Oh this a SWEEP! 🧹

[@tystuntin]

Kurapika in 4!

[@luizrafael7939]

It's a common misconception that steal chain puts the target into forced zetsu. It's not true unfortunately. It simple steals target's hatsu momentarily. enemy aura remains usable, and if they have another hatsu they could still use.

[@neneray310]

1v1 kurapika takes any spider. Does not matter.

[@ontheinside]

Naw , that was a post mortem nen hisoka and she had her guard down, nobody we know is breaking bungy gum + he has a weird relationship with her. Besides that I do think she should show more first. Her best implication compares her to regular hisoka.

[@LeoBeastmode]

Wouldn't it be crazy if Tserriednich ended up meeting Chrollo and made an agreement to join the Phantom Troupe and then Kurapika tried to fight Tserriednich using Chain Jail only to get faced with Parallel Future once he was put in zetsu.

[@angrymeowngi]

This is what I was wondering about. Is Tserry's zetsu state different from the forced zetsu that Kurapika's chain jail does? Anyway, if Tserry gets caught by chain jail he'll just be stuck in his parallel future. It would be funny actually because if he gets caught by chain jail upon first contact, he cannot do anything else. All his future will be just being in chains and him choosing how Kurapika kills him. You'd think he will be the ultimate hard counter to Kurapika but in a 1v1, he will be less than useless if even Uvo can't break the chain. What else can Tserry do? I mean he gets unlimited future sight but in all of them he is in chains and once he goes back to the present he will still be in chains. But yeah, he has the advantage in terms of Kurapika not knowing his Hatsu but even if he can see that Kurapika will attack him with the chain jail, but remember Hisoka's riddle on when he can attach his bungee gum? You may know but can you avoid all attacks? There will be a point when your knowledge of the future and what you can actually do will have to break at some point.

[@IDoThisNoCAP]

Dope episode but terrible takes lol I know ya were glazing. But ya definitely didn’t really give machi, nobunaga or detain a chance, hisoka surprising machi was post mortem nen which is stronger after death lol ya don’t be actually analyzing what’s going on just glazing

[@JDWalker495]

I find it funny that comments are accusing you guys of glaze bothe kurapika and the spider while also downplaying both of them

[@deathreaper4166]

This video started off decently but it started getting ridiculous towards the end. Kurapika is nowhere near as strong as you guys are purporting him to be. Starting off with the basic scaling, I’ve no idea how you guys are getting him to Squadron Leader+ levels of strength or speed. First off, Kurapika even in emperor time as a mastered enhancer does not scale anywhere near Uvogin in AP/durability. His fully nen reinforced arm gets absolutely destroyed by a big bang impact and based on the nen math we’re given in the series this would only happen if his aura is significantly below Uvo’s. Chrollo and Hisoka hit eachother in blind spots with nen amped attacks, without using Ken to defend and still take less damage than Kurapika. Gon and Killua also spar with Ken and Ko and also never mortally wound eachother. Meanwhile, Kurapika has his whole arm shattered which likely means he’s not even close to Uvo’s level of aura. Your scaling for Kurapika’s speed is also extremely dubious. Y’all mention he perception blitzes Uvo… when? 20% Uvogin dodges chain jail multiple times even from point blank distances where Kurapika is whipping the chain back and forth at head level. Kurapika then aim dodges a linear charge from 50% Uvogin from a distance and hits him from behind before jumping into the air and attacking from where Uvogin isn’t expecting. Most of these hits are blind spot offguard hits, it doesn’t mean Kurapika is a blitz level above in speed and Kurapika even notes that Uvogin is holding back by being in his 50% state telling him to stop wasting time and go all out. What it does probably mean though is chain jail is likely significantly slower than Kurapika’s own close quarters combat speed as 20% Uvogin is able to easily react to the chain but in 50% struggles to react to Kurapika himself. 100% Uvogin is then able to hit Kurapika point blank AFTER being perceived by Kurapika in the smoke screen with Kurapika even noting he anticipated the attack by seeing dust particles out of the corner of his eye. So the max you could say is Kurapika scales to a 100% Uvogin in combat speed but where does that even get him? Where does Uvogin scale speed wise? He’s never noted to be particularly fast like Feitan nor to have any particularly fast abilities like Nobunaga’s en-sword combo. Why does this get him to squadron leader+ tier where guys like Chitou can blitz Knuckle and Morel and Base Zazan and Feitan from a distance can perception blitz Kalluto with Feitan still being able to arguably blitz this Zazan? Kurapika not being above this post nen training squadron leader tier is also further supported by the data book stats as at the end of the chimera ant arc Kurapika is is multiple points below all of the chimera ant extermination hunters as well as post chimera ant arc Gon and Killua in total stats. This isn’t to say data book stats are everything but it does provide some supporting context that makes the argument of Kurapika being on the same tier as high tier hunters who are multiple points above the chimera ant extinction squad hunters who are already multiple points above Kurapika, a bit of a stretch to say the least. Having got the scaling out of the way now you can see why “chain jail Insta win” is much less plausible against some of the stronger members of the Troupe. As I’ve established chain jail could be up to 5x slower than Kurapika himself and this is further supported by Kurapika choosing to use In to conceal the chains vs Uvogin instead of just tagging him with it if it were fast enough. A lot of the mid-high tier members are much more tactical than Uvogin, using advanced nen techniques like En and Ko, certain members like Nobunaga and Machi also have insanely good intuition being able to sense Gon and Killua through Zetsu. Kurapika is not sneaking those slow ass chains on any tactical fighter who’s paying attention, Uvogin only got caught because of his brute confrontational fighting style and underestimating Kurapika. Fighters like Chrollo and Zeno also basically fight with Gyo active at all times being able to point out when their opponent is building up aura and focusing nen in certain parts of their body so it’s likely a lot of these fighters just straight up see and counter the invisible chains. In terms of the individual matchups, Kurapika matches up horribly with Nobunaga and Franklin. Franklin does have very dubious scaling so you can give Kurapika the win if you want to based on that alone, BUT Franklin is confident in fighting Nobunaga and can clash with him evenly and on the black whale he’s also not scared of running into Hisoka. His nen bullets are implied to be extremely strong as his character card in the manga states he makes his bullets stronger with restrictions. If he does scale somewhat to Kurapika, what can Kurapika do agaisnt an endless onslaught of nen bullets? During the succession War Kurapika is extremely cautious of nen bullets fired from nen users who are not on the phantom troupes level of notoriety and these nen bullets aren’t even noted to be particularly powerful. Franklin’s bullets could be much stronger. Nobunaga is a bad matchup for Kurapika with his en and sword combo any chain attack that goes anywhere near him will be slashed and Kurapika is on a clear timer with emperor time which forces him to fall asleep if active for too long. Nobunaga is also shown to go for the head when he strikes so if hit Kurapika likely won’t be able to heal himself. I don’t see how it’s obvious he beats Phinks or Bonolenov either. Again these characters should be more than fast enough to evade his chain being confident in taking on a transformed Zazan if Feitan failed and both of them basically have 1 hit KO moves on Kurapika. He could still beat them but it’s not as clear as you guys say in the video. Feitan would also be in this category he’s faster than Kurapika’s chains and pain packer is an instant win. And lastly the Chrollo stuff is just ridiculous. He’s not beating Chrollo he doesn’t scale to him at all, Chrollo has better physicals, data book stats and hax. Saying that Kurapika is stronger than Chrollo is insane, Chrollo with Ken can tank nen enhanced attacks from Silva and Zeno with minimal damage, with Zeno being an “extreme” emitter which is a tier of nen mastery greater than Uvogins “natural” mastery of enhancement. Chrollo himself is a specialist with the same mastery rating as neferpitou. Chrollo should also be significantly faster being able to block, evade and tag Zeno and Silva attacking simultaneously from different angles which requires superior speed, and he’s also able to tag Hisoka multiple times even when Hisoka is anticipating the attacks. Lastly, I’ve mentioned this under one of your videos before but the arm wrestling rankings are a HORRIBLE way to rank the Troupe physically. First of all it’s heavily implied the arm wrestling competition was done without nen amps or with certain members holding back as Chrollo’s nen is able to withstand nen enhanced strikes from Zeno and Silva who can one shot squadron leaders, yet in the arm wrestling rankings he’s ranked below mid tier members like Machi. Chrollo’s physical strikes can also make Hisoka bleed who’s ranked 4 spots above him and is also probably above the rest of the Troupe based on not really showing interest in any of the other members. A rusty Feitan is also unable to damage Zazan with Ko enhanced attacks and she has a weaker strength rating and the same nen rating as Hisoka and Chrollo in the data book. We also see Nobunaga is shown to arm wrestle Gon without Nen as there’s no aura on panel around their fists when they wrestle and it’s also implied Shizuku either doesn’t use nen at all or doesn’t use her full aura when arm wrestling Gon as she implies after the match she could have won if using her stronger arm, which wouldn’t be necessary if her aura was outright superior to Gon’s and that’s what she was using to arm wrestle. And ofcourse, only an enraged and nen enhanced Gon beats Nobunaga in arm wrestling, further proving that these members don’t use nen when arm wrestling or atleast hold back consistently when doing so. Bottom line, downplaying Chrollo with the arm wrestling rankings doesn’t work. Kurapika is no doubt strong and he does have abilities specifically made to counter the troupe but we have to remember he’s not a nen master and heavily relied on restrictions to speed run nen. He also only has one fight against one opponent where he went near all out. The idea that he just runs the phantom troupe gauntlet against characters with objectively better scaling and experience is crazy.

[@goonthegreat5346]

Kurapkia wins any 1 v 1 unless an instant win condition like illumi’s needles can get him

[@yuotbueaccount]

You two Overate kurapikas nen and underestimate the Spider.also yall focus to much on power kreep and not situational match ups.

[@Dosenotexist]

What feats do the troup have? kurapika nen is top 3 in the vers so he his nen isn t overrated We literrly saw kurapika beating uvogin who is top 3 in troup(with out hisoka),also kurapika out haxes and physically is better than any of them

[@nooperator2]

The whole entire video is situational match ups lmao.

[@deathreaper4166]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@DosenotexistA bunch of the higher tier troupe members have feats and statements to scale them off of. Kurapika also isn’t physically superior than the Troupe I don’t even know where you get that. He’s also not a top 3 nen user that’s just insane bias and headcanon he’s never stated to be top anything in the series.

[@yuotbueaccount]

@@nooperator2 y'all keep power scaling kurapikas battle with uvo against the rest of the troupe which is inherently wrong in nen combat. Kurapikas had all info of uvo from hisoka. He never damaged uvo in emperor time before capturing him with chain jail. Even after with a full focused ko kurapikas was only a little stronger than uvos natural physic. After pakunodas death the troupe knows everything kurapikas told gon and Killian about his nen. With all that being said if kurapikas had sacrificed Gon and Killua. with only 6 months on Nen training he would have killed Pakun and Chrollo.

[@Dosenotexist]

@@deathreaper4166 kurapika literally beat uvogin the stronger(physically)troup member. I will probably see one of you saying that only means strength not speed,and for that you need to remember than uvo is an enhancer,the enhancer type,enhances all stats speed strength etc.Kurapika keeping up with him speaks for it self And yes kurapika nen/abilities are top 3 in the vers,with or with out chain jail I can see the argument him not being a top 3 nen user,but saying he isn’t one of the best is disingenuous Now give me a troup member than you think beats kurapika,or has a advantage other than chrollo

[@adubdubbla102]

Yall simping for kurapika bad

[@Dosenotexist]

Please tell me how featless troup members beat kurapika

[@altheuss]

What if nobunaga cuts kurapikas chains? 🤔

[@ramoslyfe9094]

Can we talk aboug the binding of isaac music

[@Imp3rdLord]

This is almost pointless. He litteraly snipes the uvo 1v1 to see if he can solo each member cause uvo was the strongest

[@XXX_2900]

This isn’t DragonBall, it’s not about strength. More about matchups and strategy.

[@Dolceandgabana]

Wrong... He specifically wanted to test chain jail, and to see if the PHYSICALLY strongest member could break it or not. Uvo was not the best member in a fight. He was raw power and speed, which requires a lot less strategy to defeat. While kurapika definitely decimates most of the troupe, you can't say that he won't have a hard time with chrollo

[@TheReal_Dirty_Dan]

@@Dolceandgabanawell he literally could have taken out the leader but chose not too. I think he can take out any member due to chain jail. But yea he was just testing the str of chain jail

[@momchilhlebarov289]

​@@Dolceandgabana no 1 year of prep just like against Hisoka, Chrollo is Kortopi level.

[@pretentiouscarrot4292]

@@momchilhlebarov289I wouldn’t say that but ppl do over hype chrollo. They conflate prep time chrollo and no prep time Chrollo

[@Nothinmuchbaby]

1. It’s already established IN CANON that Kurapika would beat every Troupe member in a 1v1 scenario. This was proven w Chain Jail and reinforced in his fight w Uvo. Even if the Spiders know to look for Chain Jail, they wouldn’t be able to stop him from using it since he’s a genius level combatant and would just keep setting traps. He’s like if Hisoka had broken abilities, and vs the Troupe he’s even more broken. 2. Speaking of the freaky clown, why does everyone assume that Hisoka got some crazy power up from post mortem nen? As far as we know, post mortem nen only applies to one ability, not his entire aura pool. Bungee gum is probably stronger now, but idk abt Hisoka himself.

[@angrymeowngi]

This. The Heavens Arena Gon v Hisoka fight already showed us that knowing the ability of the opponent is not guaranteed nerf to the ability. The correct answer to Hisoka's question on when he could have attached his bungee gum is "it does not matter". If the opponent cannot evade all attacks, then Kurapika can also attach his Chain Jail even while they are just defending. There needs to be a gap so wide between their speed and intellect to stand a chance. And unlike Hisoka's bungee gum, Kurapika's Chain Jail being attached to the opponent is an immediate and guaranteed win. The need to be No longer spiders to stand a chance. And 100% enhancer Kurapika cannot be killed without using a Hatsu. Kurapika will just take minor injuries that he can instantly heal.

[@deathreaper4166]

That’s not established at all Kurapika states that he wanted Uvogin because he was the physically strongest and wanted to test the strength of chain jail against the strongest opponent in zetsu to see if it could be broken out of without nen. But being the physically strongest does not mean being the best nen combatant at all which is literally shown by Uvogin losing to Kurapika in the first place. Chain jail is also way slower than Kurapika himself as 20% Uvogin is able to dodge it from point blank range multiple times but then Kurapika with his basic combat/movement speed can react to 50% and even partially react to 100% Uvogin. The higher tier Troupe members who are nen masters and fight with Gyo and En would easily be able to evade the chains.

[@Nothinmuchbaby]

@@deathreaper4166 1. Chain jail doesn’t rely on speed, it relies on Kurapika using his superior intellect to trap his opponent. Gyo and En aren’t as effective in active combat because they leave the user vulnerable to attacks, and the way that Kurapika uses Chain jail takes full advantage of that simple fact. Go and really break down the fight w Uvo to see his masterful use and understanding of nen principles. Nen fights involve a lot of give and take, and Kurapika being able to take advantage of that give and take by having an instant-win ability is what puts him in a class of his own. 2. He’s unstoppable vs the Spiders, but even w/o Chain jail he’s still pretty unstoppable in a 1v1. I already said he has one instant-win ability, but he actually has several: the Judgement and Steal chains are basically instant-wins too. On top of those, he was able to leave a fight w a master enhancer w/o a scratch due to his Healing chain. Idk what members you’re thinking of, but they all seem to agree that Uvo was the top combatant in the Troupe, regardless of nen use. They say that during tough battles they would at least pair off, but Uvo would always fight alone. On a meta note, theres a reason why the author had Kurapika take out the strongest member of the Troupe first, and then kidnap the leader and hold his life in his hands: it was to represent how no one in the Troupe could stop him.

[@deathreaper4166]

@@Nothinmuchbaby 1. For the average nen user Gyo and En are hard to fight with but for experts it’s much more manageable and actually often times a part of their overall combat strategy. For example, Nobunaga uses a small nen radius in conjunction with his quick draw sword ability to instantly slash anything in his vicinity. Characters like Chrollo and Zeno are also implied to constantly fight with Gyo active as they are able to identify and anticipate when their opponents are building up aura and focusing aura on different points of their body before attacks. Uvogin is an extremely brute force fighter and Chrollo acknowledges while he’s the most physically dominant he could easily lose against someone with a superior strategy such as a manipulator. The rest of the troupe are much more tactical fighters and most of them won’t fall for the same tricks in character. Also I did read the fight carefully and I actually reread all of York New recently as part of a re-read through of the series I’m doing. 2. The chains are strong and a couple of them are basically win conditions BUT they’re way slower than Kurapika himself being able to be reacted to by a 20% Uvogin. Ontop of that many of the troupe have win cons themselves in the form of OKO abilities either with raw nen strength or hax like manipulation. Also, Uvogin is not implied to fight alone, Franklin said he was in a unit with Nobunaga and they were invincible as a team and complimented eachother. 3. I disagree with your interpretation of the narrative here. To me it was a clear plot point to show Kurapika’s motivation for singling out Uvogin and gives a motive to testing out the strength of his chains and explaining judgement chain. It was to show chain jail as a win con and to show the intricacy of nen battles being about more than just raw strength after we saw Uvogin just brute force his way through a myriad of shadow beast hax abilities. This does not mean he instantly negs every member of the troupe who have different abilities, strategies and experience and all fight differently.

[@Nothinmuchbaby]

@@deathreaper4166 1. Like I said, while in active combat, abilities like Gyo and En aren’t as effective. The moments you’re thinking of are when characters aren’t engaged in active combat, but Kurapika has the ability to release his Chain jail while landing a close combat blow, like he did w Uvo. They know abt his ability, but may not anticipate him using In during a moment when they can’t use Gyo, just like Uvo didn’t. 2. Once again, the chains speed really doesn’t matter because Kurapika is a genius level combatant that fights by setting traps. Based on the Uvo fight, he also physically outclasses the majority of Troupe members, and a close range attack from his chains would be unavoidable. 3. That was my own interpretation of the Yorknew arc, so you’re free to disagree. I would like to add that I wasn’t just talking abt the Uvo fight, but instead his overall conflict w the Troupe in that arc. He honestly makes them look like a bunch of amateurs, taking out their strongest member, taking out one of their most useful members, and kidnapping their leader and leaving him powerless. Imo, the point was to show that he hadn’t completely lost himself in his pursuit of revenge, because if he had, he could have destroyed the Troupe right then.

[@joejones]

i dont mess with the machi downplay. hisoka wanted some for a reason; he only sees strong people as sexually attractive.

[@nooperator2]

How did I downplay Machi? I glazed her up for literally everything I possibly could 😭 I can't make things up for her to win dog.

[@kylebarile9550]

in machi’s defense, she wasn’t resisting hisoka because she didnt expect him to do that. She had her back completely turn and was telling him to leave. Yeah he was kinda giving off a vibe but she had no reason to believe he would attack, and he didnt. All he did was restrain. I know you said its not really an “anti-feat” due to hisoka being stronger, but we just dont know that. She was just caught really off guard

[@Joe-8iv]

She couldn't free herself from Hisoka's bungee gum though, that's a fact, and considering Hisoka contended with Chrollo, he is stronger than Machi, ESPECIALLY after post-mortem 100%

[@kylebarile9550]

@ bruh no one could escape bungee gum in that scenario, its literally DESIGNED that way. That doesnt support your point the way you think it does

[@Joe-8iv]

@@kylebarile9550 I bet if you are physically strong enough, you can just tear it, but as we saw Machi didn't have enough strength for that

[@kylebarile9550]

@ rubber prevents that bruh, it stretches. The ONLY person who i think could escape this in the same scenario is mereum. Bunjee gum is just that good. Yall give this feat too much credit where credit isnt due. We havent seen ANYRHING from Machi yet to assume shes weak and every reason to believe shes strong. For instance, hisoka had romantic eyes for her and we know he only likes power. He specifically left her alive.

[@Joe-8iv]

@@kylebarile9550 Meruem is too far, lol. Just a master enhancer or someone who can emit aura around themselves who could escape. Don't get me wrong man, I like Machi, but she isn't all that. Sure. she is strong, but you can't really use the argument Hisoka liked her to say that she is a top-tier-Nobunaga, Phinks, Feitan, Bono, Uvo, and possibly Frankling would win against her. It was more or a less implied that his attraction was just romantical, however unusual it is for Hisoka. He left her alive so she can be a messenger for the Spiders, that doesn't say anything.

[@thebluePumpking]

HxH is like the worst option to pick for a video/topic like that 😅

[@Derren82]

These guys never learn

[@matteocicaloni]

Kurapica solos

[@RandomThoughtsForKeeps]

spider stronger together

[@TySosa-]

Kura most overrated in hxh, in terms of interpretation of his power

[@angrymeowngi]

He should be. He is the only one confirmed who can use all nen category at 100%. Other specialist just have "special" abilities. And unlike other nen users, Kurapika actually developed his nen abilities with a strong purpose and incorporated the highest restriction to his Chain Jail. Sure Chain Jail is limited to Spiders but they are also the most challenging opponent but Kurapika can just run over them. And with the exception of his Chain Jail, all his other abilities works on everyone else. Just the fact that he can instantly heal a severe injury puts him at top tier. However, that does not also mean that he is on the level of the likes of Mereum. But make them join the troupe and even him becomes fair game for Kurapika (at least pre-Rose Mereum).

[@deathreaper4166]

@@angrymeowngiNo he shouldn’t he’s a pure Hax fighter, why do people overrate his physical stats and aura? And yes he can use 100% of each affinity but this still doesn’t make him a nen master in terms of techniques and experience, he hasn’t even been shown to use all of the advanced techniques, has he ever used Ko or En ? People rate Kurapika as this top tier power house when he’s not, Togashi isn’t even intending for the main characters to be this strong yet, Gon, Killua and Kurapika are all still relatively nen novices, being rated mid level on the nen mastery charts and having mid-high level total data book stats on the levels of the chimera abt extinction hunters like Knucke and Shoot. Kurapika just speedran a lot of the progression with nen restrictions and a broken hatsu, narratively speaking he’s not that much above them and he’s supposed to be a mid-high tier character, not a top tier yet.

[@pablox2139]

@@deathreaper4166 lol did you even watch HxH . People overrate his stats because he was boxing with the strongest fighter in the troup and still came out on top

[@pretentiouscarrot4292]

Bruh yall sleep on Machi. She’s the strongest female in the spiders and was confident in saying she will kill Hisoka.

[@nooperator2]

I spent the whole Machi section glazing her up 😭 but if you say so

[@pretentiouscarrot4292]

@ lol my bad bro, I commented b4 I saw the video. I’m just going off your last power scale or ranking video. I remember you putting her behind Shalnark ( which i still think is crazy) 😭

[@willytheking4321]

Just cuz she is confident in killing him does not mean she can she is just being cooky or undermining how powerful hisoka is ir she just overconfident