Lessons from Indie World - Delayed Input w/ Kyle Bosman

[@pancakeloaf6599]

Kyle, every week this is my cookie under the couch

[@Alic4444]

mmmm couch

[@PatchedUpGaming]

Is Kyle Bosman in violation of the five second rule?

[@InnerRise]

So you want Kyle's cookies.

[@BobberWCC]

I really enjoy every time Kyle points out how the industry keeps speaking to us in ways we don't appreciate. On one hand, it's a silly concern. On the other, YEAH, STOP TALKING TO ME LIKE THAT!

[@LearnedFingers]

This was a great episode. I would even say that opening joke was actually funny. Air came out of my nose I'll tell you that much.

[@madeupfred]

Kyle! You need to buy the Lego Seinfeld set and attach Fat Thor's apartment to the space where Kramer's apartment would be. I think this synergy will really help you out in these difficult times.

[@davisunderwood9428]

Then we add the Lego Big Bang Theory apartment, then the Lego Friends apartment, then Lego 123 Sesame Street, and finally, the Lego Easy Allies garage. Then Kyle makes them all kiss.

[@TiJoHimself]

In-engine trailers are absolutely pre-rendered. Animation companies use “engines” too it’s not only real-time.

[@yusofplayed]

"For weird adults who have record players" LMAO

[@twincherries6698]

tbf there's definitely a fair intersection between those people and those that still love Sunday morning cartoons

[@idrago01]

probably talking about ian

[@MassiveScore]

you mean Isla

[@InnerRise]

@@twincherries6698 Sunday morning cartoons? What h311? Where I come from it's Saturday Morning cartoons and they arent even good anymore.

[@yellowcardx08]

I really DUG this episode.

[@isaacddestroy3674]

I’ll give you that one

[@TheLastDaysOfSorrow]

underground comedy, baby

[@redgyrados2000]

Now let's DIG into these comments!

[@JonCofer]

me, a weird adult with a record player: wait do i have to go watch this indie direct now

[@mortizauge]

Great video as always Kyle. I for one can't wait for Baby Hulk and Bludgedog Ja Ja Jovnia Naethervarse.

[@joeyisabsb1]

Ironically enough I started this video and remembered I wanted to watch another video and left as soon as he said "youre about to watch some other video" lol

[@pjs4254]

Man, I really love all your shirts

[@DJsleng06]

Concept trailer for NMH 3 is great. I agree.

[@d_shuffles]

My life has been getting a little brighter sense I found Kyle Bosman.

[@DarshUK1]

Intro joke was 10/10.

[@kingofthesharks]

Breath of the Wild is interesting because the 2016 trailer is more representative of the final game's mood, while the 2017 trailer has a 1.3x the views and is heavily cut-scene/story based...which is only like 5% of the game. Both are excellently edited trailers though so I can't complain!

[@Myoldusernamewasgood]

I already liked the video. And then you drop that cookie on me. Well earned.

[@mugdays]

"In-engine" can 100% still be "pre-rendered."

[@Ben-do1bf]

Absolutely, In engine just means they used a video game engine to render it. With Epic pushing Unreal for CG films now, it should be assumed at this point that just because a engine is being used doesnt imply it represents anything approaching gameplay.

Yeah, there is no way that Starfield would look like that, and even if it does, I would be expecting a glitchy mess like any other Bethesda game.

[@linkenski]

Engines have full-motion-video playback features.

[@Tunabringer]

One could even make the argument baked textures and normals constitute some part of the game being "pre-rendered", even as you're playing it.

[@Ayoul]

@@Tunabringer I get what you're saying, but you'd refer to something like that as "baked" rather than "pre-rendered".

[@pasifikdor]

Just showing love and interest, over here. Keep them coming, Kyle my man. We appreciate your work.

[@KB92]

I agree with your points about the concept trailers except when you said we dont remember them. I definitely remember contrabands trailer and redfall and i think i will even if there aren’t new updates on them for a while. Though i may be an outlier as i watch ez allies and brandons hype for contraband and hubers hype for redfall elevated it for me

[@MilKreegz]

Ok now I need a Baby Hulk and Bludgedog movie. Get crackin on the spec script Bosman.

[@ahsankhan-zg6gr]

That end part was beautiful - bro Thor

[@slycarlsolo]

Just finished the Bro Thor set! It is definitely one to buy.

[@Aragorn7884]

If Bosmans' shirts were in an Ubisoft game they'd be *Legendary.*

[@WrackPharmd]

ICONIC

[@Aragorn7884]

@@WrackPharmd 🤣🤣🤣

[@scottlee600]

I needed this. Thank you.

[@LE0NSKA]

how could you not give Sakurai the most the prestigious award amongst them all ... best in the biz?

[@JohnDoe-wq5eu]

It's good to have you back Mr Bosman.

[@robatfreedomhouse]

Announce things way in advance with just a logo... ahh the Metroid Prime 4 approach!

[@Crylar44]

Best intro, I changed to a DidYouKnowGaming vid.

[@AveryCope]

4:41 Kyle forgot to mention Everwild, which has done it twice.

[@Ayoul]

And is like in major restructuring last I saw.

[@dariendude17]

0:25 One Saturday Morning? Jeezus that there's a deep cut, Kyle!

[@franjaff6919]

Correction: the NMH3 "reveal" trailer was actually the second trailer for the game, and it was originally revealed at E3 2019.

[@randumizerplus]

Good shirt, Kyle

[@AmirGameShow]

That's how kyle works. Delayed input. Facts, Facts, Facts but with delay. Great episode

[@Adidan64]

Cookie under the couch

[@MrConeman]

I really enjoyed digging through this video. You might even say, I dig this show. Ya dig?

[@M1tZk1]

Duuude!!! I just bought the same Lego set!! It's so hilarious

[@davidcarney4602]

Love this channel best show ever 👍

[@violentmnky]

Big kiss for my boy Kyle

[@knleonhart]

I love you, Kyle Bosman

[@nintendogoo]

You know I was thinking that Overwatch had the most clear and obvious good use of a concept trailer being paired with a gameplay trailer when it was revealed. But I imagine nowadays kyle made the concerted effort to not include it in his arguments even though I think it has the strongest evidence for kyle's point.

[@donnylurch4207]

I didn't even know about the Bro Thor Lego set, but I want it now. I also don't buy Lego, but I got the NES set, then my gf got the antique typewriter, and now I'm looking at that ? Block with SM64 scenes inside.

[@acidfruitloops]

Steely Dan in that trailer for contraband. Jams.

[@justinshaw7887]

I think these trailers and types are just fine, it's always for a specific audience just to get people excited. I remember you and the GT team losing their minds over that Final Fantasy VII remake trailer of just cloud's back and sword walking down a corridor. That really spoke to you, and me as well, that's one of my favorite concept trailers in recent history...Basically, it's all subjective.

[@robertstimmel1100]

I know that this will probably be unpopular here, but I got super pumped when I watched the Starfield announcement trailer. It may not have been the best trailer, but I am super pumped for it. The only game that I am more excited about is Elden Ring.

[@MrFacepunch33]

I would posit that you’ve successfully written one good joke Bossy. Gotta cut yourself some slack eventually.

[@isaacddestroy3674]

I love puns, sorry. That said Nintendo Directs NEVER land their jokes, never.

[@darthmarth87]

I too like my puns but puns are best when said nonchalantly, left to the audience to pick up on it. These shows always do this slow emphasis on it which is what kills it . . . That and as Kyle pointed out they do the same pun 3 times in a row which is the opposite of clever XD.

[@isaacddestroy3674]

@@darthmarth87 exactly. Puns don’t work if you just say here’s a new digging game can you dig it? You’re going to dig this new game all about digging. Give this game a try, you’ll have a hard time DIGGING yourself out of it. Puns are a fine art and they cannot be forced.

[@twincherries6698]

I find it kinda cute that their jokes are NEVER funny but maybe that's just me lol

[@isaacddestroy3674]

@@twincherries6698 sometimes 😂

[@kjubus88]

Whenever this topic comes around, I always think of Fallout 4. Maybe the game wasn't that good, BUT! it was announced on E3, we saw actual gameplay and... got it released like half a year later! what a chad move!

[@DroneCorpse]

Kyle Bosman is really coming into his own.

[@SgtBilby]

at least Nintendo has been transparent with their presentations for the most part

[@cramsinatro3107]

Loving all the new videos Kyle. Keep it up :)

[@nairpark]

Never apologizes for gushing about Sakurai Kyle, cuz we all do it :)

[@hahaslc]

Kyle Bosman making videos on youtube = hes just great at this shit

[@SeriousLark]

That’s what happens when you hire the indie world’s pundits to host your show

[@yoshimasterleader]

I remember the Contraband trailer, but because it had Steely Dan in it. Do It again gives a specific vibe on it's own.

[@MOONDOGGIESWTF]

let's see those Cloud arms Bosman

[@zashadow131990]

best show on the internet

[@dmtgallardo]

I miss you Bosman 😭

[@LocardIII]

There was a villain in the LEGO set, NOOBMASTER69!

[@onelead]

this shirt is Awesome Kyle

[@MiguelMartinez-hs6ql]

That cookie tho 😮

[@DavidAniki]

Sakurai is a trailer god amongst men.

[@wg7297]

There is something really remarkable about kyles ability to produce fake words that sound real, but also fake, ie ja ja Jovnia naethervarse or hawg ruhawg duhawg

[@tretozo]

Pun is life No even using a pun to say this. To show how dead serious I am.

[@Ali-fs7ze]

Damn he's good.

[@SomniaCE]

Phantom Dust's cancellation and how stupid the reason behind it was still burns me

[@Blag_Cog]

In-engine doesn't mean "not prerendered" In-engine just means that the assets used will be the same as in the final game. They likely cranked up the anti-aliasing and shadow tech for the trailer where in-game they'll turn some of that down a bit.

[@HorseheadNebula85]

Day 33 of me going around my office replying to co-workers with "That's boss, man!" They suspect nothing. Soon they will be inexorably drawn to this channel, and Kyle will reap the sweet, delicious benefits.

[@superluigiac]

I agree on over-puning

[@DarkstalkerZero]

DId he just put Phantom Dusk on there to represent the concept trailer example? Excellent lore

[@ryans.1900]

This was a good video. what do you think of parsley?

[@ScarletDeath]

I know a lot of engines come with their own cinematic tools these days and can be pre rendered on a farm full of graphics workstations. (DGX usually.) Back in the PS2 days you could tell the trailers were made using different software. Now everything is just confusing.

[@ThisAlbino]

Nintendo don't need concept trailers, they just show you the logo and peace out.

[@AdrianXunkeira]

PlayStation has a pretty great CGI reveal trailers record too, from Killzone to Uncharted 4 or The Last of Us 2.

[@Ayoul]

They tend to release those after the game is announced and shown too which I think is a good way to do it.

[@AdrianXunkeira]

@@Ayoul Killzone 2 announcement was a trailer in the E3 2005, a VG trailer sold like in game with such visuals that most of games nowadays can't even dream with. Uncharted 4 was announced with a CG teaser video in PSX Experience 2013 that was almost a logo in flames like Metroid Prime 4 or God of War PS5/PS4. When the game was first shown was a CG trailer that was another lie like Killzone 2, an stunning 60fps graphic showcase they said it was running on real time on PS4. Like everybody knows the game runs at 30fps even on the PS4 Pro. TLOU2 was revealed at PSX Experience 2016 with another 60fps CG trailer like Uncharted 4 before.

[@sneakydoodle]

@@AdrianXunkeira thnx I was about to ask about killzone cus I didn't play the games but coulda sworn they had that infamous "in engine" trailer

[@AdrianXunkeira]

This thing aged poorly.

[@Ben-do1bf]

Normally I don't like to call out the people doing voice over for these types of shows, especially the indie world ones. The people during this one.... needed to do at least a few more takes. I question whether they did even one. And I normally hate, again, to make fun of announcers. But it was hard to listen to this time around.

[@twincherries6698]

For me it was weird because they felt so unenthusiastic in their tone. I'm not here to blame anyone, all I'm saying is it's kinda odd that as an active viewer I got such weird vibes from the hosts that I wasn't sure if I should be watching lol

[@Ben-do1bf]

@@twincherries6698 Yeah I got the impression that they A. weren't confident speakers, so just an odd choice to have them host and B. Were... reading the script as they spoke? As in it was the first take and they were reading along as they went. Which is odd considering Nintendo doesnt normally have that issue and should have the time to be able to do more than one tkae.

[@AndrewMalkin]

Puns are the best!

[@gankt]

I thought they were called cinematic trailers

[@KyleTBelmont]

Sephiroth in Smash was a Godlike trailer

[@pobbityboppity1110]

One Saturday Morning joke 👌

[@phaedrussocrates7636]

saying CORRECTION... I kind of expect Bloodworth to answer😁: Kyle, when game trailer is "rendered in engine" then every ounce of computing power is put toward very narrow segment of pure VIDEO and nothing else. There is no real AI for npc's that final game will have to devote power towards... No real physics either... All that is faked... Also everyrhing is poured into only those visual effects that are actualy visible on-screen at that milisecond, nothing besides that. That amounts to huge difference in actual computing potential for visuals in final game that has to run all those other things simultaniously. 🍻

[@nilremkful]

It's worse than that. "Rendered in engine" does not mean "Rendered in real time". All they're saying is that its rendered by the engine, as opposed to RenderMan, VRay, Arnold, etc. The engine can take several seconds to render each frame, and still output a 60fps video when its done.

[@phaedrussocrates7636]

@@nilremkful great stuff, that is actualy the most important part and I totally forgot that😁👍

[@Ayoul]

Correction of a correction: It's not true that everything is faked. A lot of it is, don't get me wrong, but they can and do use gameplay assets, FX, post FX, physics, code, etc if it works for their needs. It's just that as "nilremkful" points out, it's still pre-rendered and they do make custom assets A TON. I think it just comes from a time where that label actually meant something. At some point, it was pretty impressive what you could do with the game engine that used to be exclusively done in 3D and video editors. There were some games that had "in-engine" trailers where those trailers were actually cutscenes in the game. Still pre-rendered, but at least it was in the finished product. Very rarely the case anymore AFAIK.

[@kingofthesharks]

@@Ayoul Death Stranding comes to mind. I just finished DS and all those Mads Mikkelsen soldier scenes took me back to seeing those cryptic trailers years ago, which were basically unchanged cutscenes from the game.

[@fun_and_james]

Sakurai Best in the Biz?

[@Evan_Campbell]

cinematic trailer.

[@BrianMills198686]

Having watches Kyle for years at this point. I am really glad he can cuss now. It's like Kyle Unchained, Kyle After Dark, Kyle Let's Loose, ok... Those mostly sound like porn names. Nevermind. Look, you get my point. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@DeathSquadDesign]

Death Stranding at E3 2016 will always be the greatest concept trailer for me. I hope the industry turns away from them except for Kojima lol.

[@Rorchord]

The impression of the person hyped-up by concept trailers was pretty Huber-esque

[@Ayoul]

Ironic since he's pretty vocal about how he doesn't or at least didn't like them at all.

[@freshkoifish2361]

this guy awesome

[@fatback2]

concept trailers are made for share holders, not gamers.

[@acidfruitloops]

Eastward. Finally. That is all.

[@johnwiswell4022]

Because adults with record players never make puns all of the time.

[@mjbailey18]

Gonna help you make ‘concept trailer’ happen.

[@bloodhoundtown]

Is that a lego bong next to the pizza!?

[@JohnGuyJohn]

I miss "Nindies"

[@Jadfisk]

Sweet shirt

[@oharasvna]

5:56 LMAO i cannot..

[@MonsterMJ]

Oh Kyle your Show is good i Love IT ♥️ 😄🤟

[@CAVEDATA]

Kyle looks like a 9 yr old that aged into his mid 40s over the course of 3 seconds.

[@aliali-ce3yf]

your shirt is groovy

[@M1tZk1]

There were some great games though

[@knleonhart]

Everybunny carrot enjoy Indie World. Lettuce, at least the ones that don’t, out of hare.

[@yoshimasterleader]

I thought you were gonna compare and contrast the Indie World presentation with the Xbox one which fell more in line with the format of other indie showcase streams where it's host intro, trailers,host reaction, more trailers, hosts react,repeat with interviews thrown in the middle. I do want to know your thoughts on these.

[@DOC_951]

My favorite thing about this show is that it isn’t just a recap of weekly news like EVERY SINGLE OTHER PODCAST

[@Largentina.]

Well, it isn't a podcast so that might be one of the reasons.

[@thedapperdolphin1590]

Kyle hates puns, but loves the Smash trailers, even though they all introduce a character with a pun.