BEST NEW 64MM GRINDER? DF64 GEN 2 vs ZERNO Z1 vs DF64V vs KOPI

[@KyleRowsell]

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[@benjaminbutton3476]

Would love to see a 64mm burr comparison. Mostly the SSP lineup, Mizens, and Gorilla Gear

[@KyleRowsell]

Noted!

[@benjaminbutton3476]

@@KyleRowsell my man ❤️

[@rafaelrocha8046]

Me too!!!!

[@reeeci]

@@KyleRowsell Also the P64!!

[@scottteh2911]

oh ya this topic is interesting! wish to see comparison of this burr for espresso and filter coffee. So far for ssp mp, filter is all the way nice! but for espresso is quite depend on bean, for ethiopia bean which have nice acidity, floral or fruity taste, the espresso taste is impressive from ssp mp. but for bean like brazil, el slavador, which is strong body and chocolaty, the outcome from ssp mp might not be the best, i suspsct because the grind is less of fine ground, and flow rate is faster compare to DLC burr, so the espresso is low in body

[@juliendaoust6391]

Really surprise that the Timemore wasn’t on this video with the hype that these grinder cause in 2023! Probably one of the most anticiped grinder in the last few years.

[@KyleRowsell]

It was intentional. I’ll feature the timemore again very soon.

[@jeffhardy3x]

I need help! looking for a grinder in the $300-600 for mostly pour over and some espresso for my wifes occasional vanilla latte. What grinder would you reccomend?

[@webmihir]

64mm grinders have a huge advantage in that the burr options are much cheaper than 83mm. I would love to see you compare df64 gen2 w/ SSP MP, df64v with DLC and df83v2 with standard Itamill steel burrs as they all start to be in comparable price ranges with those burrs. If df64 + SSP MP tastes as good as df83 + standard burrs, that would be a HUGE advantage in favor of df64 gen2.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

DF83 stock burrs are very different than SSP MP in 64mm (I believe they're making SSP 83mm MP burrs but they're pretty pricey in 83mm!) SSP MP are very high clarity and low body, ideal for quality light roasts and pour overs / cupping. They can be unforgiving when dialed in poorly. DF83 stock burrs are good all round burrs, you get some body, less intensity and some flavour clarity with more lingering aftertaste. Probably best for Espresso medium roasts but works for light too. I found it did really well for Aeropress too I might put it up against some other grinders for pour over because I haven't tried that yet with the DF83.

[@vmhntrd]

The 64v has been handy as an all purpose grinder for me. I run the RPM at the minimum for filter brewing and at 1100 for espresso.

[@deathbert]

@vmhntrd Mine consistently stalls on the lowest RPM with medium roasts but not dark. Do you have any stalling issues? What roast levels are you using?

[@vmhntrd]

@@deathbert I use everything from light to dark roast from my local roaster. I always add beans to an already running grinder and pace it depending on grind size and bean density.

[@Syd7088]

hi, I'm thinking of getting a DF64v to upgrade from my C40 hand grinder. Not sure if that would make a significant improvement in taste? What do you think? Do you own a c40 as well? thanksssss

[@Daniel_Adam]

Im still struggling to understanding is it worth going for the bigger df83? Apart from the more powerfull motor what others advantage would there be? Would it be worth paying the extra?

[@TheDusty0ne]

Zerno or DF64 Gen.2 IMO. Zerno if budget wasn't a big concern, DF64 Gen 2 seems hard to beat at the price. Both are very compelling!

[@KyleRowsell]

Very impressed with df64 Gen 2

[@danielkolland7225]

Hey hey, thanks for the review! As someone who is torn between getting a df64gen2 or the sculpture 064s for my cafelat robot, i am intrigued as to why you did not include it (again) in this comparison. Or is this absence already a statement, dear kyle?

[@yakofdez4698]

They'll probably be compared in a separate video. 😊

[@camiloaguirre3897]

After watching this I can see a lot of DF64 Gen 1 grinders hitting ebay or marketplace. Hopefully this will make grinders more accessible to everyone 🙏

[@KyleRowsell]

Accessibility is a good thing!

[@Goodmorning____Lifestyle]

I love your video. I have been using the Kopi Deva for approx 4 months and backed them on Indigogo when they launched-I waited two years… for the grinder. But just wanted to correct a few things on this video. 1. The grinder comes with a holder and the dosing cup can actually sit nicely, and the coffee grind will go directly into it. No mess 2. The retention rate, The grinder comes with an RDT bottle. Just like all grinders, RDT it and I have no issues with retention. But I know this is subjective. 3. To feed the beans into the grinder, it comes with a nice stainless steel bean cup that you can weigh your coffee beans on, and the size of the cup fits directly into the grinder with no problem. Hope that helps. It's a great grinder but with a premium price, unfortunately. (well… at least it is better value than lagom )

[@stk247]

@KyleRowsell We drink 90% espresso (Flair 58+) based drinks with the remining 10% being french press or moka for guests. Should I get the Df64 Gen2 with ssp hu burrs or Df83 gen 2 with stock italmill or something elae I haven't considered? Thank you!

[@darylchesnut]

Love your videos, but the KOPI DEVA presentation looks extremely unfair. I have two and I've seen issues like you showed but when it's put together correctly, these issues went away. It's clearly not made to be beat on or I don't find bellows as necessary at all. Simply turning up the rpms to 1200 at the end until the grind goes quite and turning it off lets the coffee fall out completely in my experience. Did you call Kopi Deva to see if your experience was off? I had a problem similar and it was easily resolved and find retention not a problem at all, especially on filter. SSP MP filter in this is fantastic. Battery lasts a month and it's small and classy looking. No cables is so nice for the kitchen. Price is now comparable to the Zerno which is a fair point, but it's handmade in England to super sturdy quality and precision. You also have a 1000w motor on battery that grinds light coffee at 200rpm without stalling on battery! A fair review of it would at least point out these aspects. I love mine over my DF64, Niche, etc. I am open to a larger 83mm/98mm zerno if they make it.

[@glantalstudfamiliebartz8261]

Great Video! For me is the DF64V and the df64 gen 2 the best grinder for the low money you can have! My favourite is the DF64V! All out metal and no plastic, this is for me the best match 👍

[@Cccoast]

I hear it stalls

[@iwouldpayattention]

Zerno is $1249 with Mazzer burrs btw. Reviewers keep stating the lowest price even tho they all have them equipped MPs. Was caught quite off-guard when I tried to order one. Not to mention shipping

[@jacobcalix3774]

Agreed!! So much for transparency!

[@t0bistr]

damn how much I'd like to buy the Zerno... but 1,3k is definitely too much for this for me. Especially when you compare it to the DF64 gen2... Almost 1000 euros more expensive. That's crazy. I don't think that 99% of the people need this upgrade. I'd rather take the step and go for the DF83v2 then instead of the Zerno. Thanks for your video Kyle! Greets from germany.

[@fillflashdetailer8838]

The DF64 Gen 2 is a really nice machine, but the aesthetics alone disqualify it as a serious option. It looks like a tilted tin drum. There is no way that is going on my countertop.

[@markvanderlinde281]

I just ordered the DF64-2 as a first grinder at $399 which is twice that of the encore esp that I was going to get

[@arianyazdannik968]

Amazing video Kyle. I see your ex p64 is looking at this video in sorrow 😄

[@KyleRowsell]

Just a bit. What a great grinder it is.

[@RoofisDoofis]

Would love to see comparisons of generations of grinders through time. (Baratza, eureka, niche, Webber,df, zerno…..)

[@KyleRowsell]

Would be fun!

[@johnuriarte9228]

How does the DF64 gen 2 grind quality compare to a Mazzer Major? I have a Mazzer Major modded for single dosing but the mess, retention, workflow is something I don't like about it. I am happy with the grind quality though. The DF 64 gen 2 seems amazing at it's price point.

[@gro967]

No Acaia Orbit in this comparison? Really missing out ;)

[@ricknicholson5894]

Hey, in Canada - "Zed." No. In the Commonwealth - "Zed." The grinder with the lithium battery really doesn't make sense to me unless you are transferring to a boat or RV. So I get the grinder, where do I put it. Well, relatively close to my espresso machine. And what is my espresso machine close to - an electrical outlet. If you are lazy, I am, you want the grinder close to an outlet to plug it in for charging. And what will most people do, leave the machine plugged in all the time because it's a mild pain in the butt to plug in the unit for charging, then unplugging it. And what will kill your lithium battery? Leaving the unit plugged in all the time.

[@KyleRowsell]

Oh, sorry 🇨🇦

[@paul--b]

Not if the charging controller is properly programmed. But yeah really weird having a battery. Also zip tie?!?

[@OhHenrie1]

What about the Lagom P64?

[@Bebere]

Thank you for all the info! I hope you generate enough money to pay for all these grinders… I’d love to know how well the cheaper grinders are aligned, especially the gen 2 df64. How do you characterize the difference in the espresso cup between gen 2 df64 and Niche Duo? And what’s your guess about gen 2 df64 w/ HU burrs vs the Duo in the cup? (I figure the Duo likely has more clarity than the 83mm Italmills, so might be a good comparison.) Thanks!

[@TreStonesss]

Perfect timing, Kyle! I was just searching up a video about a great 2023 grinder.

[@KyleRowsell]

Boom 🎉

[@EdgarSanchez-lt2dg]

Great review, thanks. I'm currently considering the DF83. I only use my grinders for espresso. Should I save more than a $100 and get the DF64 V2?

[@KyleRowsell]

Honestly, I love it. If you can get a df64 Gen 2 with ssp for less than df83 I probably would.

[@rafaelrocha8046]

That's what I did. At first I was leaning towards df83, after the release of df64 gen2 I realized I could get a df64 + SSP burr for less than a df83 with stock burr

[@BensCoffeeRants]

I got a 2nd batch (V2?) Zerno coming SOON! With BLIND SSP MP Burrs, And like 30lbs of seasoning coffee, I'm curious to see if it's going to make a difference pre- and post seasoning. I also have my P64 with SSP MP burrs which should be seasoned by now! Still not sure what my favorite 64mm burr is, but MP, Mizen and the older P64 stock burrs (looked similar to the DF64v burr geometry and probably identical to the Gorilla Gear burrs, but without the black coating). I also liked the SSP HU espresso burrs, but didn't keep them around long because I had so many grinders and burrs, I already had a low clarity and a high clarity grinder I didn't feel I needed a medium / balanced one . But I do think it's nice to have a good balanced option now. I think that's what I do like about the Old P64 burrs, they're a good balanced burr nice clarity and some body, good for filter or espresso generally good all round. The updated Mizen burrs (a bit less clarity but more body vs the original Mizen burrs) might also fit that description!

[@philindeblanc]

Reading buyer reviews, even with PAAAAZMA ENERATORRRR... they are still getting some static and retention. How long and how often have you used it, and your feedback on static and retention?

[@VinegarAndSaltedFries]

I don’t understand why has the Zerno Z1 review video not happened yet?

[@KyleRowsell]

simple... I don't have the updated Z1 v2 yet

[@VinegarAndSaltedFries]

@@KyleRowsell well I’m going to go out on a limb and just join the waitlist anyways as I got an email inviting me. I’m sure I will love it. 🤞🤞🤞 keep up the great content and reviews.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

Great overview /comparison :) I never used to mind using a bellows, but I noticed it does seem to increase inconsistency in your dose output sometimes when you use them and does make more of a mess generally. So now I think it's best if a grinder doesn't require it. I don't use it on the DF83 after modifying the declumper it only has about 0.3g retention and I don't find that's too bad. I also found the Eureka Oro SD worked better for me WITHOUT the bellows. DF64v borrowed a lot from the P64, and I think they got the magnetic chute idea from Kafatek grinders which had the magnetic chute WAAAY before :) DF64v Burr vs DF64 Gen2 with the same but 'uncoated' burr, have you found differences in taste? The belief used to be that the burr coatings just affect longevity (and seasoning time) BUT I believe the coatings DO affect the flavour profile, I'm suspecting the coated burrs have a lower friction co-efficient and will generate less fines. So slightly less body and more clarity on the DF64v, would be my guess. Also lower RPM can go further in that direction, but that's something that is debated. I think it does but it also depends on which burrs you're using, I noticed more dramatic differences with variable RPM with SSP MP burrs. Wow on the DF64 Gen2, that IS a very nice neat coffee stream. Nice. It sounds like a regular DF64 to me, which isn't bad, just sounds like a powerful motor. One other thing the Gen2 DF64 has that the DF64V does not, is PORTAFILTER Forks! So that is a pro for those who don't want to 'HAVE' to use the cup.

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for the comment as always!

[@alfabethev2.074]

Hi! Got my df64v2 yesterday, and i must say : - there is nothing cheap or "budgety" with this grinder, absolutely nothing! E v e r y t h i n g is made out of metal👍🏻( it's even got the metal on/off switch!) .

[@zsiberian]

I’ll just leave it here for anyone who may have it in their cards to live internationally for a few years: 1. equipment voltage variance is a pain (if you’re buying a premium set up and hoping a transformer will do the trick don’t be shocked if you start experiencing issues prematurely 2. buying and selling premium equipment is a pain (sold my DE1Pro and Eureka Mignon) With those two points a battery powered grinder gives me a pause for consideration

[@robojimtv]

Meanwhile the Aries peaks from behind 😂 Real talk, I'm considering cancelling my Timemore 078 order because it's becoming a drag and I'm curious if I just get something that can do both filter and espresso

[@JeepBigE]

I'd like to try the 078, but the wait is ridiculous. Seems they always move the date out further.

[@thomascee]

I know this is an older video, but I would love to see the Lagom P64 in this comparison. The DF64v and P64 is always my curious comparison ☕️☕️

[@scottteh2911]

64v is currently my top 1 grinder after consider the price, the value it bring, the burr swap option in future. been used for few month and change to ssp mp burr and the performance on filter was super great, the retention is super low near to 0. But for espresso, i more prefer the DLC, if using bean like brazil, or medium roast blend...and now...im consider to get 1 more 64v stick with DLC burr for espresso (or future change to lab sweet burr) then another 64v stick with ssp mp all the way just for filter coffee.

[@grizzle1629]

You're going to get 3 grinders?

[@jlyt18]

Looking more and more like the gen2 with ssps is the best bang for buck in grinders rn. i have a 078s for 500 on the way but ill probably let that thing go just cause the DF fits on my counter better, plus i like the walnut hit

[@Val_Smith]

DF64v has more powerfull motor for low rpm SSP MP.

[@fillflashdetailer8838]

Not to be intentionally negative, but these half-hour "review/comparison" videos are little more than word salads. There is little if any substance whatsoever. I watched this entire video and still don't have anything truly concrete to consider.

[@jeffjones6667]

Good info,,,got a pinecone pinion recently ( wish someone would review those) , although it's not technically a SD grinder it is quiet, fast, swiss burrs, pre brake auger and 400$...if I decide I don't like this will definitely be grinder I get

[@bisem433]

I feel that a battery operated grinder is an unnecessary addition to the environmental impact of lithium batteries.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

I keep thinking the Kopi Deva is a conical burr with that shape. Funny you also said the same thing. Get a little ceramic Gong Fu tea vessel thing (Loveramics has their own coffee version but it's more $$), it helps with dosing into small opening grinders like Weber Key/HG2. I use for mine, and got some extras to sell :)

[@seansweet1509]

"Cha he." I have the Loveramics - Thousands Hundreds Ten collaboration, inspired by James Hoffmann; love it.

[@alexwilson27]

“I know you love them, cause so do I” he says with a tear in his eye as the KZbin algorithm looks on with a smile

[@coffeecove7058]

Even though I'm not out to buy a lot of grinders, I enjoy hearing about grinders anyway; especially new ones.

[@robertjason6885]

PTI: I’m about to purchase one from the Turin line. I’ll be doing pretty much just espresso, as I have a brew grinder. I love the DF 64 V2s plasma generator at work. Wow. I also like the idea of the DF83s more traditional type shots with the OEM burr. I’ll be pulling shots on a Flair 58+. Disregarding the variance in cost, would I be cool with the DF 64 V2. Ironically I’m coming from a Niche Zero… but was never a fan of the Kony burr. Thanks much. You are appreciated more than you know.

[@brownsugarcoffee1]

Zerno z1 is waste of money, grinder machine, who have time for all that shit😮😮😊😊

[@ahmadrezacoffee]

This last version of DF64 is called Gen 2, not v2. I have a DF64 V2 (made in 2021) but I made some modifications. I changed the declumper to a v4 & also added a control disk above the rotating burr like what Niche zero has got. V4 declumper is much better than the other versions & the control disk enables you to do a hot start without any popcorning issues.

[@deathbert]

I just received my DF64V today and have only ground some old beans but not brewed anything yet. I'm really impressed by how quiet the grinder is, and the paint (I have the black model) is so much better looking in real life than what I was expecting from photos I've seen on-line. The paint really looks great and that was a huge relief. Things I don't like: Even though I'd been told I have the new model with the non-stalling controller board I did manage to stall it at 600 RPM using medium roast beans from a cold start. I turned it over and dumped out all the beans out, started it, and it was fine. The other thing I don't like is that is quiet so there's no easy way to tell it's on. I ground some beans at 600 RPM again and it was so quiet after it was done I accidentally left it running for 10 mins or so. I'm afraid I'll forget and leave it on all day if I'm not careful. I wish either that it'd turn off automatically when it was done or that the RPM dial light would turn off when the grinder's off. The light on the RPM dial is really bright and it's not great that it's on all the time anyway. Seems like a simple oversight that would have been an easy thing to do right. In any case, in general I'm happy and looking forward to playing with it this weekend.

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for the feedback, and enjoy!

[@RyanSmith-xt7nx]

Totally agree - the bright LCD numbers lit up 24 hours a day are a design flaw on the DF64v. Maybe some kind of tinted film to darken it would be a good mod

[@davet1580]

Tip: use a smart plug to auto turn off power

[@Danglegin]

@deathbert is your grinder 110-120V or 220-240V?

[@deathbert]

Hi @@Danglegin it's 110-120V

[@ende421]

Zerno ordered in May. Sooo looking forward. Almost as much as the Argos.

[@ricard3851]

could you provide guidance on how to burr align the deva and make a video for it?

[@Harry-cg5gs]

Damn that coffee stream from the DF 64 tho!

[@vitorlevyalves]

DF64V would have a pour similar to ode gen 2?

[@HappyAccidentVideos]

Sculptor?

[@philindeblanc]

WHats with these cheap wooden caps? LOL.

[@lastfour]

Thumbs up for the funny kettle eyes :)

[@paryzfilip]

Oh yeah, that's what been missing from my life. Another grinder review ✌️😂

[@KyleRowsell]

It’s been a couple weeks, you’re welcome. 🫡

[@alm0ndighs]

We all FELT that reaction to the beans coming out of the chute of the DF64V. Thanks for the great review!

[@KyleRowsell]

On the df64 v2?

[@Captn_Slow]

The work flow of that Deva grinder is just comical. Really cracks me up, honestly!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching!

[@GAR413]

Wow that kopi Deva looks amazing! It looks like you got the old one though as they have made improvements on this since. From what I read on their website and Indiegogo campaign that they made some improvements to this issue. Does anyone have this new grinder and can they confirm this? I do love the idea and look of it, looks really premium but I agree a few improvements could still be made. Mainly the opening for putting the coffee in and I don't like the idea of needing a cup holder. Exciting time for getting a grinder though. We will never get tired of these reviews because it's nice to know what's out there and how grinders are improving over time . :)

[@KyleRowsell]

This is their newest model.

[@danielwolman]

id have a zerno, easy.

[@KyleRowsell]

Yeah it’s nice.

[@danielwolman]

@@KyleRowsell my issue is import fees into the UK. It's why I haven't got a zerno or an orbit

[@KyleRowsell]

@@danielwolman or the ability to actually purchase one? They’re out of stock 😇

[@adamg.manning6088]

@@danielwolman That and Acaia don’t make and won’t sell you a 220v Orbit.

[@Fa-qi5io]

Df64v or df83 just espresso??

[@Zehtuka]

I have the KOPI Deva since 2 months and from what I can read improvements were made compared to yours from a previous/older batch. Personally when using RDT with the included glass spray bottle I have minimum retention, and only rarely do I have to run the motor again to get it all out. I was shocked to see how much got stuck in your video! (8:50)

[@Phil_OG]

Why do you chose this grinder?

[@ethiopianbuffman]

I had the older batch and it was crazy how much would fall out. Be missing at least 5g and the zip ties kept some indefinitely. Batter nice, workflow not.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

Are you saying they've improved it since?

[@paul--b]

Zip tie

[@Armedcor]

Great timing. Literally just waiting for my DF64V to compare and potentially replace my Kopi Deva. 😂

[@KyleRowsell]

Not enjoying it?

[@Armedcor]

@@KyleRowsell like you highlighted the workflow is a bit frustrating. It also doesn't work well with the SSP MP as Kopi have highlighted themselves. I'm just a bit of a light-roast turbo fan.

[@santiago71280]

I have a Lux D grinder and I am looking for a single dose one, do you recommend the DF64 Gen2? Is the coffee I’ll get from it comparable with the one a get from the Lux D (Mazzer mini)? Thank you for your help

[@TsvetanVR]

I watched lots and lots of grinder review videos and felt a bit lost...then I settled on one of the 64mm burr grinders and at 500 Euros for the DF64 Gen 2, 550 for the DF64V and 700 for the Timemore 064s, the DF64V is the one that made most sense to me so that's what I got. Coming from my Smart Grinder Pro, I was blown away - looks, build, footprint, the fact that it runs absolutely whisper quiet - everything. That and of course the fact that it doesn't seem to fight for its life like the Sage whenever I try to grind light roasted beans finely enough for my 58mm portafilter (the Sage was doing great paired with my 51mm Delonghi).

[@pitno716]

I'm very happy with my Zerno, it really is a great grinder. Great video as always!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching!

[@bassman12]

I own the Kopi Deva for 17 months now, and to me it has the best workflow of any SD grinder i have ever used. There are no workflow issues. You lost the peripheral that comes with it... This grinders has exactly ZERO retention when you use it how it's supposed to. I very much prefer pushing on/off 1-2 times to using bellows in addition to the fact that no bellows make any grinder prettier. It is different to other grinders, but better imo.

[@myatix1]

Thanks for sharing… What would you choose between Niche One, Niche Duo or a DF64 considering I drink mostly light espresso but also like the occasional filter coffee.

[@espressomatic]

DF64V pretty cool. But $600US. Ouch, when only concerned with Espresso. I’d switch to tea before filter.

[@joshjanes1]

I was so close to getting the Deva (it certainly is the most beautiful of the lot) but was worried about the retention issues and, to a lesser extent, the very small port for dumping the beans into which almost requires use of their included scoop. This is the first time I've seen someone actually show the workflow and how to deal with the retention, and it 100% validated my choice. Sad... this grinder is SO close to being perfect. On the other hand, the flow of grounds out of the DF64 2 is astonishing! I wish it was a bit more aesthetically pleasing. I really wish you would have shown workflow with the Zerno and DF64v the way you did with the others. Seeing and hearing how they work is so important... :(

[@azza2575]

Deva owner here. Its a phenomenal grinder and there are no retention issues. The grinds can sit in the shoot at times, more at the higher rpm but if you turn the button off and on a few times the grinds fall out. Beautiful grinder

[@Fabbolicious]

@Kyle: For Espressolovers: DF64 Gen2 or DF64P? Thanks :-)!

[@kevinjesmain5780]

Love your videos! Does the DF64V have the same plasma generator as the DF64 for retention and clumping?

[@JustSomeGuyJ14]

I have the df64 gen 2 and noticed the whirring after grinding similar to 24:00. Is this usual? Is it just stuck grounds? Asking as I've only ever used hand grinders before

[@tommybeen]

Great video. Also before anyone goes out and buys the wrong grinder, that is the DF64 Gen2 NOT the DF64 V2. Really poor choice of naming from the manufacturer.

[@ViacheslavGladilin]

Great review! Thank you! ❤️

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching!

[@robertjason6885]

How difficult is aligning burrs on both new DF 64 grinders? Kyle, in your experience were they decently aligned out of the box?

[@KyleRowsell]

Yes, they needed minor alignment, but about the same as the df83 for difficulty.

[@robertjason6885]

@@KyleRowsell Kyle, as a long time former Mazzer owner… SJ, Major, there never seemed to be any discussion of alignment. This was back in the early 90s. What’s the difference these days? Less robust burr carriers?

[@KyleRowsell]

@@robertjason6885 it was likely lack of widespread knowledge or care. Ek43s have been aligned for the past decade or two.

[@robertjason6885]

@@KyleRowsell Thanks. Granted, our grinders were massive, huge retention, but made comfort shots. I’d assume those thick chocolate laden shots/blends hid the lack of clarity in a cloak of massive crema!! Apologies for the off topic lean.

[@T_OneOneSeven]

Gotta say, while I do appreciate the removable chute on the df64V, I really still think it should have an ionizer. I don't want to take a chute off and clean it all the time, and I live in a very dry climate so static is no joke. I basically have to do RDT every time but it would be nice if the grinder was as low maintenance as possible.

[@Sneedles]

Yo Kyle love the content but please stop saying “very unique”! It is a binary term like on or off. You wouldn’t say a light is very on.

[@ChrisAllen-z8u]

You should do a video like the best coffee machine under 1k, 2k etc. but combos eg. best coffee machine and grinder for 5k just starting from scratch and would love to know what’s best combo for my budget.

[@mephitstophilis]

Kyle, I'm confused by your comment about plastic in the DF64. I have one and literally everything (base, body, forks, adjustment cap and upper carrier) is solid aluminum. The only plastic parts are the vinyl wrap around the body, the dial sticker on top of the adjustment cap, and the indicator light on the power button.

[@missinglink_eth]

☕️☕️☕️That budget grinder looks great. I’m thinking of upgrading my all in one grinder/espresso machine setup. You know the one from Breville, around $700. Been using it for 5-6 double shots a day for 3+ years and know I want to level up. I drink espresso, nothing with frothed milk so don’t care about that part, and prefer light roast coffee for the interesting flavors as opposed to “burnt” darker roast flavors. That said, with a budget of about $2500, what grinder and what espresso machine do I buy? Help me please❤❤❤

[@Nish2395]

If I go for DLC burrs, will it still give great espresso for lelit bianca??

[@SJHaack]

Good overview! Apologize for being an internet commenter - there are three L's in Italmill.

[@samuelbailey3683]

Whats the difference between the DF64 V5 and the DF64 Gen2? Thanks!

[@sebastianayala5621]

Do you think the Df64 v2 with ssp HU burrs better than df83v2 ?

[@seansweet1509]

The DF64 is Gen 2 (not V2). A pedantic, but important distinction. Go September!

[@jacobofman9051]

I currently have the Baratza Sette 270 grinder. Would it be worth my while to consider getting the DF64 Version 2, or are the differences not that great?

[@wrxzboost]

new to the espresso world, got a machine picked out, i need a grinder. love/want the zerno, but it's not available and who knows how long until pre-orders start going out (which i'm not a part of). is the df64 v2 good enough to hold me over until i can get a zerno, or is there a cheaper grinder for espressos than that?

[@Robinzorz]

Thanks for another great video! Do you know a good EU seller for the DF64gen2?

[@MarkZucc-t4p]

Did you end up also getting a Zerno Z1 (2nd edition?) and have you compared them?

[@jacobcalix3774]

Not to be that guy, but the Zerno is not 1200, it's 1200+some depending on the burrs!

[@Vortex1988]

So much for that Zerno Z1 review.....

[@KyleRowsell]

It’s coming… I haven’t received my updated zerno

[@mkoni27]

Can you review the Starseeker Edge grinder? Would be interested to see your opinion

[@troyduval4233]

Good morning Kyle, do you know about when you have a full review out for the Zerno V1?

[@arendhav]

If anyone out there is interested, I have a Kopi Deva for sale. It is located in Canada and in the original packaging.

[@chillfoo100]

I want the Z1 but it sounds like my vacuum when it's clogged

[@johnkennethcaimol6667]

Updated handgrinder for espresso please. Timemore c3 esp and kingrinder k2

[@SaulFein]

p100 still your favorite grinder?

[@KyleRowsell]

It’s up there, for sure. I love it. But there’s a few others I’m also very excited about.

[@SaulFein]

@@KyleRowsell Looking forward to the 01 from Option O but would be really excited something to see a new auger fed vertical 98mm with zero retention and a better work flow and alignment out of the box than the EK43.

[@KyleRowsell]

Yeah, I mean that’s essentially what the p100 is without the vertical auger fed. The retention is not an issue.

[@SaulFein]

@@KyleRowsell I love my p100 as well and I have no retention issues and I do not RDT. I was thinking about the vertical burrs as possibly being a better orientation for eliminating "regrinding" if that is a real thing on the p100.

[@JoshuaPeters3036]

Cost no object… If you could only keep one of those grinders which one would it be?

[@Val_Smith]

Oh I see you have mxcool aries at the back. How does it compare to key and niche in taste profile?

[@yakofdez4698]

When will the new DF64 Gen 2 be releasing? I can't find any info on it.