Is The Option-O LAGOM MINI Still Worth It?

[@johncoleman1930]

I would absolutely love a video on the difference between conical v flat burrs and how the coating affects them and the coffee. I definitely think that would be a great video for people who want to know the difference and what they want to look for in a grinder!

[@KyleRowsell]

In the works! 😁

[@johncoleman1930]

@@KyleRowsell Well now I'm extra excited for that video!

[@daveblane6442]

Yeah. conical or flat -- THAT IS NOT WHAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE!! yada yada

[@Dongnes]

Mine just arrived 1 month ago, love it! Might upgrade to the P64 in the far future, love the machined body of Option-O grinders!

[@KyleRowsell]

Glad to hear it! Enjoy and thanks for the comment!

[@jacobfiksel3600]

I just got a Lagom Mini with moonshine burrs as an almost exclusive espresso grinder, and I'm loving it. Hardly takes up any room, looks really nice next to my Cafelat Robot, works right out of the box, and super low retention/static. Plus I love that it's stepless.

[@onefive10]

what does the retention look like? I currently have the sette 270 and im so frustrated with how much it retains and the inconsistency of it

[@jacobfiksel3600]

@@onefive10 I find it has very minimal retention, you just have to let it run for 5-10 seconds after it’s mostly done grinding to get all the grinds out. You can also buy a cheap billow online if you really want to get everything out, but I haven’t found that necessary.

[@angiifrenchfry]

How long does it take you to grind 18g for espresso with the moonshines? Wondering if significantly longer than with obsidians as I know you have to go a bit finer.

[@jacobfiksel3600]

@@angiifrenchfry a little over 30 seconds usually, 45s max. It’s never been a huge issue since I always have to wait for water anyways, and never do more than 2 shots back to back

[@angiifrenchfry]

@@jacobfiksel3600 thanks! I can definitely deal with that. I use a flair pro so have other things to do in the meantime and can probably grind a bit coarser anyway

[@Myusernamehere33]

I use it daily for espresso. Never used it for filter. Never had any stalling after a few months. Loving it so far.

[@KyleRowsell]

So stoked to hear that

[@NoZenith]

What type of beans do you use?

[@Myusernamehere33]

@@NoZenith lighter side of medium roasts

[@NoZenith]

@@Myusernamehere33 thank you!

[@sdcisaac]

Yo how did you dial it in for Espresso? I just got mine and struggling to find the setting because of the lack of numbers on the dial. I guess I’m trying to ask how many turns did it take for you to find that sweet spot that works for Espresso?

[@ChristopherMichaelR]

I have a DF64 w/ HU burrs and Lagom Mini. This is how I look at it. If you're going to dive deep into espresso, hands down get the DF64. If you just need a good enough grinder that you dont want to tinker with, get the lagom mini.

[@tonywang7704]

Hi Christopher, I am considering between these two grinders. Did you get SSP for your DF64?

[@mcvrs1223]

Almost had a heart attack when I saw this video posted since I pre-purchased this grinder because of your initial review. Glad your opinion hasn't changed since, and I hope mine doesn't stall too

[@KyleRowsell]

Haha! My opinions can change with time but not this one. Thanks for watching!

[@t0m714]

Great review Kyle. Your original review was one the reasons I ordered mine it he first place. It’s only just arrived (with the obsidian burrs), and so far it’s brewing great coffee. I completely agree with you that whilst ultra compact, it doesn’t have enough weight or stability in the base to turn it on or off one handed, which can be frustrating. Likewise, having to use two hands to rotate the dial can also be annoying at times, especially as you have to remove the magnetic lid. But the biggest frustration for me has been the removal of the printed numbers on the latest version, particularly as they did this between my ordering it and shipping. I can’t understand the rationale, and it makes dialling in and switching between filter and espresso far more difficult than it should be. Whilst I love the coffee it makes, the Niche easily retains it’s crown as ‘King of the workflow’, and I won’t be selling it anytime soon!

[@KyleRowsell]

Woah they removed the numbers? Dang. That’s a bummer!

[@t0m714]

@@KyleRowsell Yep. Really frustrating, and hard to understand the rationale. Apparently it was because people were struggling with the fact that the zero point wasn’t consistent across grinders - but removing the numbers makes it a lot harder to dial in, and I have to re-zero between every grind. This seems like a backwards step from a company who usually make sensible decisions with the end user in mind.

[@simply_psi]

I've had my Logom Mini 48mm for around a month and love it, use it for pour over, espresso and even for the Moccamaster and it does a great job in all of them, my c40 does have more clarity in pour overs, but to use it to grind 60g for the Moccamaster is just a pain, so the Logom Mini is perfect for that, I've had no stalling yet even when feeding in 60g for the Moccamaster. I would be keen to try the moonshine burr, but I think I will wait until I've recieved the Kopi Deva (fingers crossed) as I really want to try flat burrs before trying more conical. Loving the content Kyle, thanks

[@KyleRowsell]

Ah yes the Kopi. I’d love to get my hands on one.

[@simply_psi]

@@KyleRowsell me too still waiting for mine although J do know a few people who have gotten theirs now, If you lived a little closer I would let you borrow it (once I'd had a chance to play with it of cousse), but shipping over to you from the UK would be a costly option.

[@SarntAKluss]

The Kopi seems to be great! Unfortunately the AKKU feature is a absolute no go for me...

[@simply_psi]

@@SarntAKluss The AKKU works well for me, I have limited sockets available on my kitchen counters so it means I can site the grinder close to my espresso machine and I only have to unplug the espresso machine while I charge the Deva, usually over night. So I don't have any time I can't grab an espresso fix. Mind you she's a heavy beast the battery packs.

[@MonopolyBag]

I've had mine for 2 months and I only grind light roast. Never stalled. I use it for espresso and occasionally pour over, but I find my comandante to be superior for pour over.

[@bowieknife]

You're not the first I heard to say this. I wonder if the Moonshine can better the 48 Obsidian and be more comparable with the C40.

[@KyleRowsell]

@@bowieknife as I mentioned in this video, after weeks of testing and comparing I feel it does.

[@matiaschacana5768]

Awesome update! A burr coatings video would be great. Never seen other KZbinrs explore that topic.

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for the comment! Will keep in mind!

[@arianyazdannik968]

Hey Kyle, Thanks for the shout out man. I actually have this grinder from February and I'm extremely satisfied with the workflow and look. But I had the stalling issue from the beginning after a couple of weeks they sent me a newer version of power brick and it fixed the stalling with Obsidian but as soon as I installed moonshine burrs it came back and it came back big time. After our talk in discord I contacted them for a replacement. They told me a stronger power will fix my issue. I will share an update once I tested that.

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks Arian! Please post an update in the discord when you have one!

[@evanm.2300]

If u can let us know in this comment thread too please 🙏

[@KenChiwo]

I originally ordered the normal 'obsydian' burrs last week with no clue that the 'Moonshine' burrs existed, because at the time, it was not an option on their site. But then the great folks at Option-O reached out to ask if I wanted to change my burrs to their new 'Moonshine' burrs...I said yes, without knowing anything about 'clear-coat' vs 'aggressive-coat'; this is also my first ever coffee grinder. Needless to say, this video has really relaxed my nerves, from wondering if I made the right decision, to knowing that I did! Super excited for the Lagom mini!

[@KyleRowsell]

Ah Kenny this made me smile! Glad to help!

[@LizzBowlen]

I've had a Mini with obsidian burrs for about 4 months now and it's been great. I got it after seeing one of your earlier vids on it. I'm new to espresso so I wanted something at a lower price point to get my feet wet with dialing in. I've never had stalling, and at most am using it a max of 3 times a day between espresso and filter. One thing for daily use is that mine's definitely not zero retention. I always have to knock it to get back what I'm putting in, or run it for a while after you'd expect it to be done to get everything through. It's definitely improved my shots and I'm really enjoying using it, so thanks for putting it on my radar! I will say, US customs clearly took mine apart, left it in pieces, and lost one of the 3 very necessary screws during shipping. I had to wait a while to get a replacement before starting it up. So it runs great, but shipping with the screws in some kind of protection would probably improve the whole initial experience.

[@angiifrenchfry]

How long does it take you to grind 18g for espresso with the obsidians?

[@huezda02]

Got mine last week with the moonshine burrs! Love it! Your Lagom Mini videos (vs Ode and Niche) are what made me commit! Thanks Kyle.

[@angiifrenchfry]

How long are you finding it takes to grind 18g for espresso with the moonshine burrs?

[@AnskarKong]

This is the best pairing grinder for the Niche Zero. For those who want to 'upgrade' to flat burrs like the P64, you should try this one first to test if you really like the clarity of modern espresso. If not, it can still be your pour-over only grinder. If yes, your upgrade to the P64 will not disappoint. I think Timemore 064S + Lagom Mini will be the BEST PAIR for espresso + pull over just before the "diminishing of return " at 2024

[@machineslave3]

I’d love a video detailing the best grinder for cold brew. I always see videos about espresso and pour overs, but I’ve found grinding coarse to be problematic with how many fines are produced, yet coffee shops continue to make cold brew better than I can and I’m sure its due to the grinders.

[@MrOscar5690]

$10 mr coffee grinder (blender, more like) made delicious cold brew.. 80g coffee. 16 oz water (water bottle) in French press. Cover, but don’t press. Leave it on counter for 24 hours. Press pour into mason jar. Drink next day. Added milk and ice and syrup. My wife and I shared. (made 4 servings) Had wiiiiiide awake, haha. Fyi, I just followed a 2 minute Starbucks video. For espresso I have much more expensive set up I won’t get into.. it’s been waaay harder to get consistently good espresso 😬 🍻

[@JayLoden]

Recently got my Lagom Mini, sadly too late to get Moonshine burrs with it but hopefully Option-O will sell the burrs separately eventually as I’d be interested to try them. One thing that bugs me, and it’s by no means specific to Option-O. They claim for example that the Moonshine coating produces less fines and therefore impacts cup quality. You can’t prove a cup of coffee tastes “better” on a graph of course, but things like a PSD for a given grinder / burr set are certainly measurable. If you’re going to make a claim like coating X produces less fines and more clarity, I feel like it should be basically mandatory to post the receipts. What I’d love to see is give us a distribution graph from both burrs with the same coffee put through each, let the consumer see & decide from there. Otherwise it’s nearly impossible to judge as a customer if you’re just being sold a bunch of marketing based pseudo science. Not picking on Option-O here at all, this is just a wistful comment generally on the state of coffee marketing. All that said… I’m still curious to try the Moonshine burrs and see if I can tell the difference 😆

[@KyleRowsell]

Love this, would love to see the same. Thanks for watching!

[@ayoshi1351]

Hi Kyle, I am in a market for a new grinder. A small, compact, efficient and functional one that is electric and pleasing to the eyes. I think this grinder fits the bill. I already own a Niche Zero and I love it. I use it primarily for espresso and Moka pot. For pour overs, I tend to use a hand grinder even thought my Niche is capable of grinding for pour overs. I just find the process of changing grind sizes every day to be a hassle and sometimes my Niche misses grinding a bean or two when I change its grind size. I like the fact that this grinder can do espresso occasionally but I would dedicate it primarily for pour overs. Thank you for the video!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching! And glad this video helped friend

[@TheMarcioChannel]

Hearing a coffee guy talk about powerlifting made my day ☕️🏋️🏽‍♂️

[@KyleRowsell]

It’s about time I start using analogies to personal niche hobbies 🤟🏼

[@TheMarcioChannel]

@@KyleRowsell it was a great one! I think it was well explained for people who don't have first hand experience as well.

[@KyleRowsell]

@@TheMarcioChannel stoked to hear it resonated with you. All the best!

[@ForeverInBetweenBand]

Love this grinder. Had it for a couple months and get delicious results using a picopresso. No issues apart from the bottom of the dosing cup falling out, but that was a quick fix.

[@KyleRowsell]

So happy to hear this. Thanks for watching!

[@evanm.2300]

Was it defective? Or just a mod? How did u fix it?

[@anamrockstyle2726]

Can't wait to watch the review about p100. Hopefully you get one someday 😁✌

[@KyleRowsell]

Same 🥲

[@nachoote260]

Thank you Kyle, looking into pulling the trigger on this one 😁

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching!

[@BensCoffeeRants]

7:00 sounds like they set a torque limit to prevent damage if you get a jam, like a stone or other foreign object in your coffee, (which is a common thing for grinders to have, as a safety precaution) but maybe they messed up and set it a bit too low (or just put in a slightly more powerful motor in the later versions). 8:04 So not recommended to keep near the edge of your table... especially if you have cats :D

[@KyleRowsell]

Ha yes keep away from table edges 😅

[@evanm.2300]

@@KyleRowsell id live to buy an aftermarket weighted platform to keep it more stable but still be very compact. If i get one(very likely ) i might jut do some wood working to set a piece of wood under it trace it shallow out with a router. And cut the outside shape the same shape but bigger to look good and compact. And clear coat it or use bamboo or ceader raw. Anyone feel free to stral that idea 💡 its not ricket science and im no pro. But make a video if u can and let us know

[@evanm.2300]

Also in my experience, using that rubbery mosepad bottom material works super amazing. And usually u can just peel the fabric off cheap ones if u feel thats an issue for gluing it to the bottom of the base

[@marknachmias423]

One day after watching this video, Option O sent an email asking if I would like to change my preorder to Moonshine burrs. Since my daily driver is a C40, my answer was a resounding YES.

[@KyleRowsell]

Nice service. Well done Option O

[@scalwi]

Looks like 49th parallel coffee...great choice! Thanks for a great rundown on this grinder. I'm slowly talking myself into upgrading my espresso grinder, and love any of this kind of content I can find.

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks Scot! It is 49th! I try to represent Canada with my coffee choices on my yt videos. Thanks for watching

[@user-ey9bt7fs6n]

It’s your fault I did an ADD TO CART! Just messing with you. Been looking to upgrade from my very first grinder the Baratza Encore which has served me well. It will get a thorough cleaning and passed on to someone in need. Looking forward to my new grinder.

[@KyleRowsell]

Enjoy!

[@user-ey9bt7fs6n]

The Mini arrived last week and I couldn’t be happier. Grind quality is good and the lack of noise is GREAT!

[@simkool77]

You are NOT isolated re non-stalling, ie, I've also been using my mini for 6 months, I've never stalled. I use a different grinder, Niche, for espresso. When I feel the need to excercise, I use my comandante. Your review(s) are spot on from my perspective! thanks!!

[@KyleRowsell]

So happy to hear this! Honestly. I couldn't share that mine has stalled when it never has just because others on the internet have had that experience. I even stumbled across a reddit post where someone suggested I was a shilling the product or that I wasn't fully honest with my audience because I didn't share that mine stalled. I'd never do this. I was beyond bummed to read it. Anyways, glad to hear your experience resonates with mine.

[@nipunlokuwithanage3433]

reminds me of the properties of machining tools used in manual and cnc machines. coated cutters tend to have a softer edge which doesnt work well with light cuts. coating happens after the machining/grinding process so the cutting edges tend to be a little more rounded over. this does have benefits. a softer edge lasts much much longer and can take much heavier cuts without chipping. uncoated cutters can easily take very light cuts since they are sharper but are less resilient to wear and tear. its surprising just how much these carry over to burrs as well.

[@theflotograph4540]

2 months in on lagom mini usage just missing out on the moonshine burrs (obsidian). For my workflow 50:50 Chemex/espresso this has been worth every penny. Your minor improvement points are spot on, i position the grinder on a simple silicone mat to prevent slippage when operating, also tends to rotate when adjusting the dial, a minor niggle for an amazing well constructed grinder that I am hoping will be with me for many years to come.

[@KyleRowsell]

Glad this video resonates with your experiences!

[@edipisreks5535]

I’m tempted to get one, but I have plenty of grinders already (Niche, Ode with SSP, Orphan OG, Option-O Remi), and I don’t think it’ll get used enough to justify it (the hand grinders mainly get used for travel, with my Flair Pro). Of course what I should do is buy a P64 and then sell the Ode and the Niche. We’ll see.

[@KyleRowsell]

Haha I hear ya. But I justify it with being a KZbinr. My wife would likely not be pleased otherwise 🙃

[@paryzfilip]

Orange juice with aeropress, that's what I'm drinking to your video today ✌️😁 Great news on that Lagoom, it may be better than Niche for me if I'll ever decide on one of them 😁

[@KyleRowsell]

Enjoy friend!

[@robertwendel1805]

I’ve ordered one with the moonshine burr, based on your review. I drink espresso and pour over coffee and l like it often with cream. A long wait until September when shipping is promised. I normally don’t spend lots of $$$ on what I would call a food processor. A bit nervous about that. I enjoy you videos because they are down to earth and to the point. Thank you.

[@KyleRowsell]

I hope you enjoy Robert! It’s a great little grinder.

[@robertwendel1805]

After using this grinder for about 4 months I find only one problem with it. Some of the coffee beans are to large to feed into the grinder. You either have to dump or pry them out or maybe forcefully push them through. It works for me overall.

[@chrismccannIRL]

The design is superb. Imagine if they kept the compact shape but did larger burrs … Would be amazing.

[@entertainment6630]

Thanks for the great review Kyle. Your content quality and skills have been constantly improved, absolutely love it and also inspiring too!

[@KyleRowsell]

Appreciate it!

[@roryveronda9933]

Thanks for the review I’m going to order the Option-O - I bought into the hype of the Fellow Ode and have been a bit disappointed with the stock burrs and the SSP’s are never in stock; I’m also not sure that’s the answer to finer lighter roasted coffees in your basic V60 let alone an occasional Robot manual espresso - I really enjoy your channel, thanks for putting out regular content

[@joshuazhou]

Thanks, Kyle. I was wondering if there is a significant improvement on espresso compared to P64? I found nobody has done this comparison on the whole Internet. I think the answer is helpful for people who is considering upgrade to P64.

[@KyleRowsell]

The p64 is a flat burr grinder. Very different. This is a compact conical grinder. The p64 is easily a better espresso grinder but it should be for almost 4x the money. The lagom mini is a fantastic option if it’s in your budget

[@ericanderson1753]

With a 3D-printed funnel, and if you are cool slow-feeding beans, I’ve been SO happy with this grinder for both filter and espresso.

[@KyleRowsell]

Why the need to slow feed?

[@ericanderson1753]

@@KyleRowsell to avoid stalling when grinding for espresso (which I experience when I don’t slow-feed). For filter no need to slow-feed at all.

[@KyleRowsell]

@@ericanderson1753 have you reached out to option O? It seems based on my comment responses that most people are no longer facing stalling issues

[@ericanderson1753]

@@KyleRowsell I have not. Maybe I should do so.

[@deluxesofa]

Lagom mini 48mm vs DF64 taste difference in espresso and filter coffee ?

[@cameronwest5941]

The only guy out here talking about coating, and we’re here for it. 😎

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks!

[@arnabhere]

Check with a high altitude coffee with a light roast for staling. Nice review.

[@Boogerpoops]

As a filter coffee person, who happens to pull espresso with a lever machine on occasion, I really want to pick up this grinder. Currently grinding on the jx-pro and an encore, and brewing on a Flair Signature/v60, and I'm think this would be the perfect upgrade into my set up.

[@KyleRowsell]

I agree. If I was in that situation I’d also want the mini. All the best!

[@Boogerpoops]

@@KyleRowsell Hey Kyle, I just revisited this video for a refresher on the debate, but I was curious if you had a chance to side by side the Option-o Moonshine burrs to the Fellow Ode SSP burrs. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts. I recently picked up the Ode and upgraded to SSP, but still have my doubts on whether or not I made the right choice. Cheers

[@richterstitcher7936]

Thx Kyle sounds like a fun little grinder. Wish I could afford it! 👍☕️

[@KyleRowsell]

Grinders aren’t cheap 🥲

[@wenyulian9584]

I got mine two weeks ago. Love it. It is really quite.

[@KyleRowsell]

Glad to hear you like it! Thanks for the comment.

[@martinmanzi1830]

Nice Kyle! That grinders looks better everytime I look at it

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching!

[@marketingoutin8394]

Thank you for your 6 months review. I like the design of this grinder but I think although it's protable but still not chargeable for outdoor use.

[@KyleRowsell]

You’re correct! It’s not chargeable, it needs an outlet

[@NeverTakeNoShortcuts]

I bought it. It’s great. I use it for Moka Brikka Pot. Perfect for that. Are you sponsored by Lagom??

[@sherkhanmy]

Love your channel Kyle, been your avid follower from the earlier days. Awesome videos - content and delivery! I'm in the market now to find a compact grinder for filter, I've my Mignon Oro Single Dose, it's a pain to switch from espresso to filter and back!.. so.. lagom mini seems to be very high in my list! BTW, I've asked ChatGPT on obsidian vs moonshine for filter coffee. This is what the response! Both the Obsidian and Moonshine burr sets for the Lagom Mini are high-quality burr sets that can produce excellent results for filter coffee. However, there are some differences between the two that may make one a better choice depending on your specific needs and preferences. The Obsidian burr set is designed specifically for filter coffee and is optimized for a clean and bright flavor profile. It is known for producing a very uniform grind size, which can help to ensure even extraction and a balanced flavor. If you prefer a bright and clean cup of coffee with distinct flavor notes, the Obsidian burrs may be a better choice for you. The Moonshine burr set, on the other hand, is a more versatile burr set that can handle a wider range of brewing methods, including espresso and pour-over. It is known for producing a slightly more complex flavor profile with a fuller body and more sweetness. If you enjoy experimenting with different brewing methods and prefer a more complex and sweet cup of coffee, the Moonshine burrs may be a better choice for you. Ultimately, the choice between the Obsidian and Moonshine burrs will depend on your personal preferences and brewing style. If you primarily brew filter coffee and prefer a bright and clean flavor, the Obsidian burrs may be the better choice. If you enjoy experimenting with different brewing methods and prefer a more complex and sweet cup of coffee, the Moonshine burrs may be a better choice.

[@BrandonBaileyIG]

Thank you - you're awesome. very helpful. I mainly do espresso - 1-2 a day - requested the moonshine - I think it should do the trick. Appreciate your videos!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching! Enjoy friend!

[@NoZenith]

I'm saying thank you as I hit play before I even watch it. I've been waiting for your re-review of this product before I committed

[@KyleRowsell]

Ah right on! Thanks for watching!

[@NoZenith]

@Kyle Rowsell came back with a new question. Your personal recommendation Niche vs Mini... I intend to pull at minimum one shot A-day probably 2 possibly 4 fairly regularly. My secondary brew method is A 6 cup mokapot. I do occasional pour overs and the neighbor brings her Drip-o-later for board game nights. I am afraid I might burn the Lagom Mini up but its versatility, Obvious appeal to both you and Lance and it's compact size are all massively appealing to me 🥲. I'm not seeing much about how much brew grinding you can do with it just that you aren't supposed to pull many shots per day. Thank you.

[@user-lv7ph7hs7l]

It is a super cool grinder but I'm on a tight budget so I'll be going for K or J series as my allrounder for V60 and espresso to complement my Mignon, that totally sucks for dialing back and forth. Definitely tempting with the new burr and all. I think I'll give it a few years and let them improve the design further. As a total caffeine junkie I would go past the recommended daily grinding pretty quickly.

[@AlanKlughammer]

I bought a K-max as a general purpose grinder. I find it is a pain grinding medium or light roasts for espresso. I am saving up for a mini, unless something better comes along in the next few months.

[@user-lv7ph7hs7l]

@@AlanKlughammer X-Pro is supposed to be awesome for taste and all purpose but I can't vouch for how it is to grind very fine or light roasts. Still using the Q2 for brewing and electric for espresso, I was too broke and new models came out :) Gonna see what the next 6 months bring in the 1z lineup.

[@TwinPeaksCreative]

Aloha Kyle. In your video you mention reservations about using this Lagom Mini exclusively for espresso. We use an Ode 2 for French Press and are looking for a smallish electric grinder exclusively for light duty espresso grinding (2-3 cups per day on average). If not a Lagom Mini, then what to get? Mahalo for any feedback.

[@francistran5823]

Appreciate the video, I managed to swap my preorder to the moonshine burrs.

[@KyleRowsell]

Glad to hear it!

[@andrewtomlinson6664]

Great video as always!

[@KyleRowsell]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@Alsi21]

7:30 weird they have such a big power brick for this grinder. If you're buying something of this size, it should go without saying that space is limited. I'm going to wait and see if they address this on their upgrade.

[@MaxmillanHan]

Hi Kyle.. I know its been 1 year since u posted this video..But ya, want to share my thoughts... I am from Malaysia.. I have been using the Lagom Mini for roughly a while now.. And yes, I managed to stall my mini, and that's when I first started out where I mistakenly taken 0.8 of a turn as 8 small dots when grinding for espresso, so when it kept jamming my linea micra and after 5-6 trials, one after another (with 8 small dots setting), then ya.. it started to get quite warm and finally stalled, but what I want to share is, even it stalled, by opening up the space (increasing to 10-12 dots) it kinda re-grind back without switching off and on, which I knew I was working it too hard, so I stopped (then went back to the manual where it actually meant 0.8 of a revolution). Well, not a great experience, but just sharing my stress at the time. So, my thought is, unless we are grinding for super fine coffee like Turkish grinds, this grinder won't stall at all.. as I had tried 0.65 revolution and back to back 10 espresso shots, no issues (dint even get warm, kinda an indication for me to stop grinding and let it rest) Well, just sharing my experience so others don't have to go through what I went through..😬😅

[@slurpeesnearme]

Thanks for the video. How does the Lagom mini compare to the Baratza Sette 270 in your opinion? I mainly grind for espresso but I think single dosing is more suitable for my domestic use case.

[@KyleRowsell]

I’d prefer it. But the 270 had some bells and whistles like dosing and programable buttons.

[@michaeltrujillo9092]

Great review, trying to decide which grinder to buy. I need something for brew style coffee and for espresso. I train bartenders for a living and coffee drinks are more popular than ever. So I think the p64 is built more for what I’ll need. It’s just completely out of my budget.

[@KyleRowsell]

Have you considered the df64?

[@simkool77]

PS to last, I looked yesterday 11 June at option-o to perhaps purchase moonshine, and I did not see it offered. Maybe I missed it? Depending on cost, assuming about $60, I would buy moonshine. And yes, the mini is perfect for my daily filter brews. Again, never had a stall here.

[@KyleRowsell]

Hm maybe my information of release was incorrect. I’m pretty confident they’ll be selling this soon.

[@viavelum]

Hi Kyle! Why do you feel icy recommending this grinder as primary espresso grinder? Thanks for this review by the way!

[@packkatisomsakul5967]

I have tried both Obsydian and Moonshine. Moonshine is definitely the killer with the flavor is as close to the Comandante. I don't think Obsydian is good for filter in my opinion. But anyway, I like the Lagom Mini with Moonshine.

[@KyleRowsell]

Glad to hear it, thanks for sharing!

[@yeli6398]

I want to update my bean to cup coffee machine to a real espresso machine. I think I will go with lelit bianca and the grinder which one will u recommend lagom mini is good especially the price is in my range, niche zero is bit over budget. For my whole family usually we take about 7 cups a day.

[@benkopec5103]

Hey Kyle. Trying to decide between this and the df-64. I’ll be using it 80% for filter and 20% for espresso. Mostly light roasted coffee and looking for high clarity. What are your thoughts?

[@KyleRowsell]

I’d personally choose this but I prefer ease of use and workflow and retention over “clarity” chasing.

[@seanprocha12]

Kyle great review as always! I also haven't had any stall issues with this grinder as I strictly use it for espresso with my flair 58. I use a fellow ode for filter. You go into depth with the moonshine burrs for filter but briefly with espresso. You mentioned higher clarity. Would the upgrade to the moonshine produce too high of clarity while loosing texture for espresso?

[@KyleRowsell]

I still think it’s a fantastic burr for espresso. Again - very similar to the c40. By no means is this a traditional unimodal burr.

[@seanprocha12]

@@KyleRowsell awesome! Glad to hear. I think a new burr is in my future.

[@stuyg86]

all i have/use right now is the 1Zpresso Q2 and i use it everyday; it's all i could afford/justify spending on a grinder. I've never been one to rush though the production of my morning coffee...but oh man is hand grinding for at 5:30-6:00 in the morning a task. i would love to have one of these, perfect size for my living space, no laborase hand grinding in the morning, it would give me the option to try my hand at espresso, looks like the have worked out a lot of the kinks; it's just that price tag. maybe one day it will go on sell; but considering they are still fulfilling batched pre-orders, i don't see that happening anytime soon.

[@KyleRowsell]

I hear ya. Grinders aren’t cheap 🥲

[@kstessel1]

How much is the moonshine cost? Can you order it separately? Great video. Thanks

[@erikfasnacht]

Have had this grinder with 48mm obsidian burrs and absolutely love it. I don’t normally use it for espresso, so I can’t talk to the stalling issue, but I’ve ground at the finest setting without issue. I am considering upgrading to the moonshine burrs, just not sure if it’s worth it

[@kstessel1]

So for espresso and breve's which would you reccomend? Lagom mini or the Niche zero? I'm torn

[@andrewpetersen3872]

Would the only reason to get the Mini over the DF64 be the desire for the conical burr profile?

[@KyleRowsell]

Yes, plus design and size. This works without any needed mods. But If you want an espresso powerhouse this may not be it.

[@PanzerIV88]

Very interesting video as always. Definitely looking towards ur Burr Coating video! Which one between the two 48mm would you think is best for 100% espresso brewing? Both my best friend and GF will be buying a "Gaggia Classic Pro" later this year and fully upgrade them. I was then looking for the best affordable espresso grinder for them. Hey would only be doing 2 cups a day, and my GF 3 cups on avg. We all live alone so no need of something that can withstand 100g/day or do espresso for 5 persons at the same time if you see what I mean. As always, quality over quantity and so far I haven't seen anything that seems to be his good for that price! I gave her the Sette 270Wi from my mom since I got her the new "Eureka Oro" that's obviously better but 2x more also than the Option-O so can't be compared. The DF64 looks like some fugly plastic junk and I don't trust the Chinese, nor something that's avg out of the box and needs SSP burr upgrade right away or even more mods. That's why I don't see what would be my other options if they don't want to spend 1000$CAD. By the way also... Why the heck is Option-O that popular and in demand, yet one of the few brands to always be BACKORDERED and available almost nowhere?!? Can't they hire more people, improve their manufacturing process and build more of them already?

[@dommymac7458]

Great video! 👍 I literally drink filter n french press everyday n have the odd espresso I do take milk with my coffee and have been advised conical burrs a better suited for coffee with milk? True? So I've been debating between the ode with ssp n the nieche so far for a while!! But seems like this might be the best option? 🤔

[@clovala]

I see people selling their Odes often, I rarely see the Niche or this Lagom Mini. I initially wanted an Ode, but have now changed my mind.

[@dommymac7458]

@@clovala yeh im now thinking nieche or lagom mini

[@KyleRowsell]

Any reason why the ode with stock burrs isn’t worth it for you? Why spend $200 on ssp? The lagom mini is great for filter. I love mine.

[@dommymac7458]

@@KyleRowsell I just thought with ssp it would be alot better with the burrs that it comes with as they have a bad rep After this video I thinking more between lagom mini or Niche With me having milk in my coffee- I'm told conical burrs would be better than flats- what's you're take on this Kyle? (I drink medium/light roasts normally)

[@allenlark]

what do you mean by 3 cups a day? like an 8 hour cooldown between uses? a 12 hour rest after every three? 3 uses a day over 2 years before failure?

[@adamg.manning6088]

I’d choose neither, because I’m Pretty sure they are still back ordered for 8 weeks.

[@KyleRowsell]

Yeah that’s a bummer 🥲

[@adamg.manning6088]

@@KyleRowsell It’s a pity because I was in the market, but I instead went for a Fellow Ode for filter. Between some store credit with my local Roaster, and some cash tips at work, I essentially got 110 off, which is pretty great. The Ode will more than meet my needs for filter, especially for 190, but it would have been nice to have the smaller device and the option for espresso.

[@tobiasbouma4071]

Used it for a few months while I waited for my titan grinder. That means I missed the moonshine burrs by an inch (went with the obsydian 48 mms instead). Enjoyed it big time regardless, and never had any stalls. I use the 220V unit/power supply, which may have higher wattage than 110V version but idk if this affects real world performance. Anyway, for reference: I drink light-medium roasts for espresso only. The lightest I went with were the Nomad coffee filter roasts. Had a great time with quite nice clarity and I think the mini definitely punches above its weight in terms of price-to-performance. The one thing not mentioned in the video but something I thought was notable is that certain espresso blends don't really pop with the supplied obsydian burrs. The taste gets muffled by the high RPM of the weak motor and you're stuck with an espresso that doesn't have any opinion, if that means anything.

[@KyleRowsell]

Hey thanks for the comment! Glad to hear you had a relatable experience. Appreciate the response! As for your comment on espresso and RPM, I personally can’t relate but appreciate the feedback. If honest I’ve had an opposite experience. The rpm is actually fairly average speed for a conical but if anything slow for this size burr. Keep in mind that espresso has many variables. Maybe it was the coffee? The water? Temp? Puck prep?

[@tobiasbouma4071]

​@@KyleRowsell Thanks for your reply! Maybe I'm just too used to high-end grinders with which I compare the degree of clarity or lack thereof ? .. Anyway, I used filtered water from the same roaster that I received the coffee from. Temperature: Not sure! I tend to steer away from acidity by incorporating it into the finish and not into the overall flavour profile. Not all coffees lend themselves well to this so maybe I just couldn't find that particular sweet spot that I was looking for. Puck prep: it's an ever so debatable part of the whole, but let's just say I don't spend 30 minutes WDTing like some of the nerds on Diaspora ;) It should be noted that I didn't like the way the roaster dialed in his own coffee either! But I have had my friend dial it in on his Nautilus and I had a very good time then.

[@tonywang7704]

Hey Kyle, awesome review! I believe many people had watch all the reviews you made, that’s why we’re struggling between this and df64. What would you recommend if 80% latte 20% pour over without changing to a SSP burr?

[@KyleRowsell]

I think the mini fits the bill as long as you don’t need it for higher volume.

[@petervansan1054]

I think the chinese "copy" of option-o is much better than original. Bit bulkier but also sturdier and looks like it doesn't stall as much.

[@Noah-Lach]

How does this grinder work for cold brew? Can it grind coarse enough? And would I be able to grind, say, 200g of beans in one go by continually pouring them down the hopper?

[@Johnnie895]

Great video Kyle, very informative as always! Would it be fair to say that the Moonshine burrs are closer to traditional flat ones in terms of the level of clarity they can offer? Or is it still not fair to compare the two?

[@KyleRowsell]

I never compare flats and conicals. It doesn’t make sense to me. But I enjoy the moonshine over the coated 😄

[@willmitchell8500]

you talk about not grinding loads of coffee a day with this grinder. I've always understood weaker motors to have issues around grinding larger quantities of coffee, but 5 spread across the course of a day seems like less of a problem than grinding like 150 twice a day or something. Can you talk about why you cant do several small batches with time in between?

[@erickzhou5314]

Hi Kyle, you said that you won't recommend this grinder for people that primally make espresso, but it can still make great espresso. Why?

[@andybecker5040]

When it comes to third wave water, would you recommend the espresso or light profile for light roasted SO espresso?

[@KyleRowsell]

Espresso!

[@bowieknife]

Would love your opinion on how the Lagom Mini compares with the Varia Vs3, esp for occasional home espresso duties!

[@KyleRowsell]

Video already in the works. Kinda. It’s a larger comparison.

[@bowieknife]

@@KyleRowsell thanks so much Kyle.

[@Alexander-gd1bs]

Kyle - Question. Do you think the magnet on the bottom of the dosing cup will effect or damage the lunar scale? Great video by the way, still happy with my purchase!

[@KyleRowsell]

It hasn’t damaged mine!

[@Alexander-gd1bs]

@@KyleRowsell well that’s good!

[@NoZenith]

If my primary use is going to be pulling a couple double shots A-day and a 6 cup mocha pot as my alternate for larger batches, or perhaps several shots on a Bambino Plus, wuld I burn this unit up? I'm also kinda worried about overclocking it on those weekends days when both of us are up and around and drink several cups of coffee... I fell in love with the Lagom Mini when it was 1st being reviewed and Out of stock but I became very leery when all of the issues cropped up especially with people stressing it's only good for a couple shots A-day... I had already been sincerely shopping things to compete directly with the Niche Zero or Mignon series for the last couple of years as I did my research on what setup I wanted (how I found you). Would you suggest I just commit to the Niche Zero since I also occasionally do other brew methods and want a stand alone multi use grinder?

[@oskarberntson3777]

What is the biggest arguments against this grinder as a espresso grinder would you say?

[@Zoyb3rg]

What is the other grinder you mention at 6:16 ? I can’t find any info on it and as the mini is difficult / expensive to get in europe I was wondering if it could be an option ? Great video, I am actually waiting to get more info on the vs3 that is more available and cheaper in europe to pull the trigger for an espresso grinder

[@Crovenko]

Is it possible to use it for more coffees than 2? I mean when your friends come over and you have to make like 5-6 espressos. Thank you

[@kalval8777]

Love your video and have been following it! I’m on the same boat to being a fan boy for the small yet simplistic design that is proving to be a great grinder for its price range. I just have some concern, how would you put the conical burs of the lagom mini to similar price range flat burr grinders, say the sete 270 or the df64 in terms of espresso? (I would feel the lagom has the edge in terms of filter?)

[@KyleRowsell]

Well the 270 isn’t a flat, it’s a conical. And I’d take it over the 270 all day. But the df is a flat and that gets tricky. I just love the ease of workflow on this little grinder. So I’d likely lean to the mini.

[@jimdowell1729]

well i think i'm going to go for the moonshine burrs even though a obsidian burr with more body sounds fun! haha. thanks again man. quick follow up on my comment below. cheers!

[@ToddParker]

Is this lagom mini a variable RPM machine? If not, how low is the RPM, I want lower RPM for clarity and do not care how long grinding takes. thanks. Also, how does the moonshine burr compare to a flat burr for clarity; some are saying it really makes the conical better. I want higher clarity for lever espresso and I roast light roasts. On the spectrum, how does moonshine burr compare to a flat burr like DF64?

[@xx0samey0xx]

Would this be a better grinder over df64 for espresso since theyre in the same price range

[@danielsalinas9988]

Kyle my friend, currently using an IZ-JXPro. My daily coffee maker is a Moka pot. Trying not to get too crazy expensive with my coffee setup, would you say the option-o mini is worth the upgrade? I have no complaints with my hand grinder, but the idea of upgrading is always nice. Thanks in advance and I love the channel

[@KyleRowsell]

I’d love to say yes but hey, if you enjoy you’re current setup enjoy it! Upgrading won’t really make better coffee. Put that money into buying some incredible coffee instead!

[@c0mbat15]

I'm using the JX Pro to. From my previous reading I think the burrs on the JX Pro are very similar to the Lagom Mini. Given that hand grinding should reduce static slightly I can't see how it would be an "upgrade" other than the ability to save about 20 seconds in grind time?

[@adrianlee8786]

Hi Kyle, apology for commenting here which may not be directly relevant but I need your help. I bought the Lagom Mini upon viewing your first review, but it has been 2 months delay since the supposed delivery date and unfortunately I didn’t get any respond from the local distributor nor Option-O customer service (sent them email with the email address on their website). I kind of desperate to know what’s going on with my purchase and hope you can direct me to the right person to follow up on my lagom mini purchase/ delay. thanks in advance!

[@kisam2]

Is there a way i can buy moonshine burrs? It seems like they are not on option-o website. I own a Lagom mini with obsydian burrs. :(

[@duckies_8]

Thanks for the great review, how viable do you think it is to swap out burrs on other manual burr grinders

[@KyleRowsell]

Depends on the grinder! Many hand grinders use a proprietary burr so it will depend on the model.

[@jimdowell1729]

i hear you say it's good on retention, is that still with a drop of water?? or is this thing not retaining any grounds even without a drop or spray of water. currently using the jx pro and that thing loves a spray of water to not retain a thick coating of grounds post grind!

[@Andrew-wp1bz]

Great video as always! Which refractometer is that? It looks like the one from Aliexpress. Do you know how precise it is compared to more expensive ones? (You should review the Mac studio 😁)

[@KyleRowsell]

It is the aliexpress one. It’s okay! Not bad for the price. My vst died so it’s holding me off for now. As for the studio…. Haha we’ll see. I’ve thought about starting a second channel for random vids. Maybe someday.

[@Andrew-wp1bz]

If you ever get your hands on another VST you should do a comparison between them.

[@Wu.Tang.Financial]

Great review, subbed! Is there an option to order just the burr, not seeing it on their site

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks! Context them direct

[@Wu.Tang.Financial]

@@KyleRowsell awesome thanks!

[@sahand5938]

What’s the serving carafe you’re brewing the v60 on? 😍

[@notme123123]

If you make a video, I will watch it. You’ve earned that loyalty from me.

[@KyleRowsell]

You’re the best

[@matiaschacana5768]

I second that. Your videos are awesome Kyle. Hope you're feeling well. I would love to watch a video of yours about burr coatings, I've never seen that topic explored in depth here on KZbin. We are here for your content!

[@nternalPractice]

So Kyle, in your opinion, I take it that the Ode never really lived up to it's promise? I got one with the version 1.1 burrs and was disappointed that it didn't even come close to standing up to my C-40 or K-max (and not because of the grind range which is perfectly fine for my pour over style).