Kyosho Mk2 v.s. Tamiya TT-02 - Who's Faster?

The Kyosho Fazer Mk2 FZO2 v.s. Tamiya TT-02 Rally Shootout is under way and so far, it's a surprisingly level field!
In today's video we're going to test the top speed of the Kyosho Fazer Mk2 and compare it to ‪@MarkBryanRC‬ 's TT-02. Who do you think will be the faster car?
We're also going to compare prices. This can be a huge variable when choosing your next RC car, so let's see how these two stars of the rally course match up in terms of cost.
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[@MarkBryanRC]

Woah Fil, that's freakin crazy!!! 😅 I can't believe how evenly matched this has started! My battery is pretty new, but in all honesty, with a clearer road and a servo that worked I reckon I could match the 42! But very cool that you called it a draw! The game is definitely on!! Great edit of this video dude, I found it very entertaining! It'll be interesting to see what others think for future tests in the comments. Cheers bro! 🍻😁👊👍

[@poorboysrc]

Well I felt the draw was fair, as my 40km/h was with a 4200mah pack, just as you used. So to be totally fair, we're spot on! This is shaping up to be a very interesting competition. Let's bring on the next phase! 😉👊🏼

[@allanritchie1539]

Well I'm not surprised with the result to be fair it's more about how they handle in the rough dirt and gravel. Noe that's where I expect the biggest difference is going to be. 2 - 2 it's all to play for go for it boys and may the best car shine.😊😊😊😊

[@allanritchie1539]

The higher Mah battery would only give you a longer run time not more speed, but good on you for calling it a draw.😊😊😊

[@SoyabMewati-fi4yq]

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[@ShawnMoreland317]

You know Fil, to me the biggest difference is that with the Kyosho, you get the motor that it came with, with the TT-02, you can put a cheap brushless system in it, get alot more speed, and still end up being evenly matched on the price. I like have the option of putting whatever I want to put in it from the beginning instead if getting a rtr and then having to buy a different motor, if I don't like the one they put in it. Just my 2 cents though....😂

[@poorboysrc]

Hey that's a good position to have, makes total sense. Most RTR's leave a lot to be desired in the performance department, so it's nice to have your say in how a kit gets built up. Cheers, and thanks for watching! 👊🏼

[@AddamsPlayground]

Nice rip with the Kyosho and I am a little surprised that it wasn't a bit faster. The TT02s are geared on the low side so I assumed this one would be a faster one out the box. That 15t motor he has must be whirling out some rpms!! Great match up so far! I think and beaver slalom course seems fitting!!! 6 beavers spaced out 3-4 meters apart and you have to go up and back 2-3 times for a time.

[@poorboysrc]

That's a lot of 🦫, but if anyone can handle all that beaver, it's Mark and Rob! Hahaha. I love the idea, Addam! 😉👊🏼

[@WestyCoastHermit]

Great stuff! That was pretty sweet that they matched speeds. I really like the Fazer platform and I see Kyosho just announced the Fazer MK2 with the 240z body set. I've been holding off getting a Fazer, but you and Kyosho have convinced me it's time. Thanks a bunch!

[@poorboysrc]

Oh it looks so good with the 240z body on it, too! You won't be disappointed, the Mk2 is a great bang for the buck RC. 👍🏻

[@electricnitrorc]

Nice speed run. Seems like you could fit a bigger pinion when driving on-road, so it would probably reach 45-50 easily. But for off-road like it's meant to go, I guess the gearing is spot on?

[@poorboysrc]

Yeah I definitely could add a couple more teeth to the pinion and give it heck. To be honest, I didn't think I needed to, I really thought the Mk2 would've been quicker out of the box. 🤦

[@velocityinstereo]

I'd like to see an off-road top speed contest for rally cars.

[@poorboysrc]

Off road top speed, that's a good idea. I'll add it to the list. Thanks pal! 👊🏼

[@MauzyrockRC]

Noice! Very cool to see those results so far. Honestly wasn't quite sure what to expect as I have never used a Kyosho before. I would like to see: Slalom with pylons on tarmac, and then the same set up, maybe a little wider on packed gravel. To really see how these two handle turning under various grip conditions. Cheers!

[@poorboysrc]

I like how you think, Mauzy! A slalom course is a must have in my opinion as well. And loose surfaces... 100%! 😉👌👊🏼

[@lo2713]

Deffo want to see some off road challange. Could allso look at what upgrades there are for each one aswell 🤔

[@poorboysrc]

Good points, Richard. We'll have to make sure we cover these criteria as we move along with this shootout. 👍🏻🍻

[@madsrcbuggy]

Ha ha, Kyosho is not Fazed by Tamiya's TTeasing... Great run, Fil! If anything, I think your parking lot was a bit cleaner and your run was probably a bit easier to achieve... You know, for suggestion, how about you use the parking booth lines (make sure the distance is the same between them) and make a comparable slalom course, Make a course that can be replicated on any parking lot, everyone can have a go at it, he he... Bummer you didn't manage to go to the skate ramp, maybe next time...

[@poorboysrc]

I see what you're doing there Mads, very clever, my friend! Lol! :) I'm totally down for a slalom course! Mark and I discussed it the other day, and it's going to happen. The shootout must continue! And finger's crossed the skate park is open this time. Whoddathunk there'd be kids skating at 1:00 on a school day? Buggers!

[@mikeyfourbarrel8473]

I have one of each and I love them both…why the heck are these Kyosho Fazers so loud? Mine sounds exactly the same.

[@poorboysrc]

I really don't notice it as being overly loud, but you're like the third or fourth person to ask about their high volume. So I'm not too sure what to say, I think there must be some steel gears in there making a bit of noise perhaps? 🤔

[@John-yf8qh]

Poor Boys RC: When your RC car is worth more than your daily driver…. Well named!

[@poorboysrc]

Haha right?!?! 😄

[@rexrcs]

Awesome video idea, I’d like to see more handling tests but it depends so much on driver, would be great to see same driver both cars!!

[@poorboysrc]

I'd love to see same driver both cars, too. Maybe this can be written off as a business expense and I can go visit Mark in the UK? Wouldn't that be sweet? 🤗 We'll do our best to keep the playing field as even as possible. Handling tests on the way! 😉👍🏻

[@rexrcs]

@@poorboysrc yes, it can be a business expense but the business has to make the money to pay for it hahaha

[@poorboysrc]

@@rexrcs and therein lies the problem. Hahaha. One day buddy, one day... 😄👊🏼

[@Mark-g4z2s]

Are u running stock 32t pinion?

[@poorboysrc]

100% stock!

[@angrymelon]

Rally content is the best content ;)

[@poorboysrc]

Haha amen!!! 😄 👍🏻

[@kanenstuff]

Ha for sure you cant go to the skatepark or bmx track when its packed. Though another video would be good and the velcro is rhe trick to keep the dust out but not for hot weather countries like here in Asia especially atm.

[@poorboysrc]

Yeah especially with a bunch of kids. I mean, the kids are all pretty cool, but as soon as they see an RC car, they all lose their minds, and getting any good shots goes right out the window. 😭

[@Hillbillypunk]

I wanna start by saying, I love Tamiyas. I have and had countless of them. But, you gotta dump money into a Tamiya to make them perform. And even then, they still drive like a Tamiya. You know it, I know it, we all know it. That Kyosho right out of the box is a BAMF. I love mine, and I don't need any sort of test to know that Fazer mk2 will out preform my TT01e any day of the week. In USA, I paid $270 for the Kyosho. The TTO1e (fat fox) was 160 with an ESC and motor, but when it's all said and done, radio, servo, paint, ect. It's about the same price, but the Kyosho still waxes it.

[@poorboysrc]

Yeah the Kyosho is just more of a polished product. Hey, did you see how straight it drove in my vid? Man, I couldn't do that with my TT-02's if my life depended on it. 😂

[@Hillbillypunk]

*in a Mike Myers Coffee Talk voice* "It's like butta!" After I saw how awesome the Mad Van was, I got the Subaru without thinking about it. Thing is plush 👌👌👌

[@poorboysrc]

@@Hillbillypunk yeah Mad Van is so sweet! I'll have to get one some day. 👍🏻

[@Hillbillypunk]

​​@@poorboysrc IIRC the Mad Van VE (get the VE it's worth it!) had the same price tag as the WRC 🫡 The thing is insane on a 2S lipo. I bet the freakin brakes off mine.

[@ericchristopher9037]

Nice run Fil, it’s funny it looks like you’re driving a right hand drive car. Except your shirt is backwards, soooo. 🤣😂🤓

[@poorboysrc]

Tricky tricky! Haha. I had to use the selfie camera to keep the steering wheel out of my shot. 😄🤦

[@شهيواتخديجةبشر]

السلام عليكم فيديو شيق يستحق المتابعة شكرا على المشاركة لايك للفيديو 240يدوم التواصل

[@poorboysrc]

Glad you liked it! 👍🏻

[@Hillbillypunk]

I'll also add, you can off road the crap out of the Kyosho. Mine stays in the dirt. And it fuckin does it. You can't get the suspension like this in a Tamiya touring car. They just don't have the travel. And the stock Kyosho shocks are awesome. That was the selling point for me, I'm more into off road trucks. I got a MFX01 Rally Beetle and it's not very dirt worthy either. It's basically a TL01 with dirt tires and a shorter wheel base. No hate for Tamiyas, I love them. But not for off road rally.

[@poorboysrc]

Yeah man, the Fazer loves the dirt! I'm still shocked at the torque of that RTR motor. It's bananas!

[@Hillbillypunk]

@@poorboysrc does yours get way hot? I've only ran it once without the cover and I'll never do that again lol I run a 5200mah 2S lipo and gets pretty warm afterwards. Then again, it says "HOT" right on the motor so...

[@poorboysrc]

@@Hillbillypunk it gets pretty toasty, not gonna lie, but not too crazy! And that's with the cover on, and 90% of it velcroed to the chassis sides. I'll run it 'til it blows, then replace with another motor. 😁🍻

[@rc-dom-uk]

what real car do u have mate? i couldn’t identify it at all

[@poorboysrc]

That sweet piece of steel is a 1985 Toyota Camry. A.K.A. Sean Cammery. 🤣👌

[@rc-dom-uk]

@@poorboysrc nice . i don’t think we got them here . do love my toyotas almost as much as a lancia . we had celiacs and corollas here and the yaris . i think i’ve done 3 rally toyotas 🤔 actually i’ve got quite a few rc toyotas knocking about

[@simonkubacki9823]

Any Tamiya slop on the kyosho?

[@poorboysrc]

Just enough to keep things interesting. 😄👊🏼

[@MechanicallyFun]

Nice run, it handle better than TT02. It goes straight not like TT02 😂

[@poorboysrc]

Yeah that's one big difference out of the box, the Mk2 can drive straight, where the TT02 really struggles. 😳

[@fabianmcgale_9160]

Pile on the pylons!!! 😁👍

[@poorboysrc]

Yeeessss!!! That's what I'm thinkin'!! 🤔👌

[@JeepsCafe]

Oh yeah! Kyosho handles better than the tt02 for sure.

[@poorboysrc]

It handles SO nice! The motor and gearing are matched really well to the car. 👍🏻

[@Paul__FC]

Poor Mark , soon as a speed run breaks out, everyone wants to , "Get Mark!" 😉 Damn that kit moves.

[@poorboysrc]

Hahaha, he's too fast, so we all want a piece of him. 🤣😎

[@Paul__FC]

@@poorboysrc You know I'm team Tamiya! Time for some monkey business!

[@ianjohnhorwood2605]

A standard TAMIYA TT-02 kit always handle like poo . They are Cheap unrefined , have a lot of slop to the chassis arms and wheels etc . The TT-02 is a bottom tier 10 scale RC kit , The TT-02 does not outperform the KYOSHO FAZER period 😎 .

[@poorboysrc]

I hear ya, pal. As a proud owner of both chassis', I really figured the Fazer would slay the TT02 in any contest. I've been proven wrong... lol! More action to come in this series, so stay tuned. Oh, have you watched the slalom comp? 🤔

[@aut0bahn]

The FZ02 is consistently noisy. I have two and they are so loud.

[@poorboysrc]

Hmmm, I didn't find mine too noisy, I actually kind of like the sound. Have you checked the gearbox for grease? RTR = Ready to Rebuild. 😉😄

[@Hillbillypunk]

Mine isn't loud. My Mad Van VE however, is loud ASF, just because it's a VE and has metal gears.

[@Paul__FC]

First comment!

[@MarkBryanRC]

Arrrrggghhh!!!! You beat me Paul! 😅😁👍

[@poorboysrc]

Quick like a ninja!

[@RCBirds]

Awesome run. I really like to see a comparison on gravel or dirt. I mean... they're rallye cars. Maybe you both have access to running tracks in sport arenas.

[@poorboysrc]

You're absolutely right Dirk, we have to get these cars out on the dirt to see how they perform off road. 👍🏻👊🏼

[@theoagrc]

Well I am surprised that wasn’t faster. Sure looked it when you took off!! Volley back over to mark. I think we need an off road gravel or sand test??

[@poorboysrc]

Shocking, isn't it? I could've sworn it was faster, but the proof is in the video. Time for some off road action next!

[@TheTankRC]

Nice test, I should test my on road cars and see if there a difference du to tire size.

[@poorboysrc]

Yeah I bet the taller tire has a better top speed. It's worth a test, for sure. 👍🏻

[@TeamJunkYardDog]

You made me a TT02 fanboy so I am cheering for Mark! lol

[@poorboysrc]

Haha I only have myself to blame... 🤣👊🏼

[@rc-dom-uk]

the fight is on . but surely with rally it’s all about the acceleration and handling and of course …. which can do the scandi flick 👍

[@poorboysrc]

Acceleration and handling. Great criteria for a rally face-off. Thanks Dom! 👊🏼

[@rc-dom-uk]

@@poorboysrc it’s got to be done . also which counter steers best . ie- throw them into a corner , slide out and then which recovers the quickest and zooms off into the sunset 😂👍 oh and i burnt me toast .😬

[@Hendaz89]

It's tt02 for me as you well know 🤣🤣🤣🤣Kyosho maybe better out the box but tamiya is easier cheaper to upgrade and get to a decent standard

[@poorboysrc]

Yeah the TT02 has no shortage of upgrades available! Haha. But man oh man, that Mk2 Fazer chassis is SO good!!! 😎

[@bladeblade8443]

The kyosho camaro supercharged can go with nimh batery 55 Kmh. Fantastic rc cars that kyosho is making.

[@poorboysrc]

Absolutely! Kyosho's killin' it with this Fazer series.

[@laserbeam1620]

The speed increase may have been because of the 1000 more mah in the zee. More mah can release more juice quicker

[@poorboysrc]

Agreed! 💯

[@jone7940]

... I wonder how they would each behave going over ramps of varying heights 🤔

[@poorboysrc]

Yeah this is another criteria that we'll have to toss into the mix. How the chassis handles a jump. 👌😉

[@coygtrc]

So it's a draw for now 😂 I wonder what's next 😊

[@poorboysrc]

For now... hahaha. Working on the next stages of the contest as we speak. 😁👊🏼

[@kashmurray1199]

I do like the Kyosho better. Gota go off road. That would be fun to watch.

[@poorboysrc]

Yeah we'll definitely have to add some good off-road action. They are rally cars, and therefore they must rally! :)

[@NoodlesNJ1]

Is the steering servo a 3 or 5 wire? Subscibed..

[@poorboysrc]

3 wire. Thanks for the sub!

[@Gernotrametsteiner-dl6ns]

❤tamiya tt 02

[@poorboysrc]

No love for Kyosho??? 😄👊🏼

[@aviano72]

You should also compare gear ratio's

[@poorboysrc]

Good call!

[@bhdproduction2007]

bro, your toyota camry is awesome

[@poorboysrc]

Haha thanks dude! Sean Cammery, I call 'em! 😅

[@jone7940]

Great to see the cross-chanel comparison. Very cool .. and a surprising result!

[@poorboysrc]

Thanks! Mark is the best guy on KZbin to have this contest with. His intimate knowledge of the TT02 makes him the perfect target, oops, I mean, partner to have in this competition! 😉🤣

[@ferozferoz3965]

Next challeng; biggest pinion and the smallest spur. And after that a 7700 kv brushless motor . That would be nice to see🧐🤓😎😬😬😬😬

[@poorboysrc]

We did that last year, the 2023 Speed Run Challenge. Hahaha. It was bananas! I still have some TT02 trauma from that one.

[@ferozferoz3965]

@@poorboysrc I know i saw it ALL 😉🫠😏

[@ferozferoz3965]

@@poorboysrc in mine tt02 still has the 9000 kv and the 64 spur with 29 pinion ( and my backup spur is the 54 spur from my tt01 and a 34 pinion) some call me totall idiot🤪🤪🤪😬😬😬 i know i know ,but i am madness it self😈😈😈😈

[@johnricci7935]

I got 45mph on 3s

[@poorboysrc]

Wow, nicely done! 👌

[@JoevsRc]

Nice run! Kyosho makes some nice products

[@poorboysrc]

Yeah they really do. Parts support can be a pain, but their kits are really nice! 👌

[@John-yf8qh]

If you’re struggling for parts and need a few things at once, as we all do, just order direct from the land of the rising sun.

[@poorboysrc]

@@John-yf8qh yeah that's what I've been doing. Or Kyosho USA, which is in California, so they're very close to me. Thanks for the tip! 👊🏼

[@outbackrcaustralia4895]

Yehhhhhh!! What a great start to the new challenge👌. Game on fella's🏁🤠🦘🇦🇺

[@poorboysrc]

Neck and neck coming out of the first challenge. Crazy stuff, hey? Bring on the next challenge!

[@outbackrcaustralia4895]

@@poorboysrc Yeh bring it on boys😁👍

[@tm_vis-rc]

Awesome buddy! great test, and cant wait to get mine out! One idea, check the pinions and compare? that could be a huge factor! :)

[@poorboysrc]

Yeah gearing can make a huge difference. I'm sure I could go up a couple teeth on the Mk2, but for the purpose of this comparison, we're keeping the rules a little loose, just to get a feel of the Mk2 v.s. the TT02. Thanks for watching! 👊🏼

[@IowaBudgetRCBashers]

The fazer chassis platform is greater than the tt02 in many ways. What I don’t like about it is the wheels mount with a Phillips screw vs wheel nuts. I love my mad van on this platform.

[@poorboysrc]

Yeah my FZO2 uses an M4 hex screw to hold the tires on, which I found interesting. First time I've seen that on a hobby grade RC in some time.

[@IntroRC]

Haha, I think we're going to need a small walk around vid with that beautiful 1st gen Camry you have there! Nonetheless team tt02!

[@poorboysrc]

I need to stop the RC and just focus on the Camry. I think more people watch my show for it, than RC. Lol! His name is Sean Cammery, and he's rad AF. I did a sweet 80's montage to him in one of my videos from the 2023 speed run challenge. Perhaps he'll get his own entire episode one day. 👌😉🤔

[@danjaz2000]

That is crazy close. I can’t figure out the details for a test. Slalom for sure. Build a mega cheap appropriate sized spec jump (fits in trunk) to test the hang time and landing quality on grass or dirt. Maybe an expression session for the finale? Voted independently perhaps. I don’t know. But I do know you got to jump it and drift it and I want to see the slow motion shots haha

[@poorboysrc]

Jump it, drift it, slalom it, love it! But what's an expression session? Never heard of that before, and it sounds intriguing. Oh and some slow motion shots are a must! 👊🏼😉😄

[@danjaz2000]

@@poorboysrc it's like a free run with points awarded for style. Like killer drifts for example.

[@yodadarksideGreenHawksRC]

Great video Sir, that was fun man! That's pretty much what I was expecting to be honest. I was saying to Mark last week that I didn't think there would be much in it speed wise. My Fazers clock around 27mph on a 70c 2s. It would be great to see a 'like for like' comparison on an off road rally stage, although that would be very hard to replicate the exact same conditions with so many miles apart! Surfaces need to be exactly the same to keep it fair. I love jumping my General Lee, it would be great to have a jumping competition off a similar spec ramp.... Points awarded for max height, and distance jumped? The Fazer jumps well. 😉 All good fun dude, can't wait for the next instalment! 👍 👍 👍

[@poorboysrc]

Thanks dude! I'm really starting to fall in love with the Fazer! It's a very well balanced and designed platform. And I totally agree that Mark and I need to venture off road with this competition. As you said, we can't replicate the testing grounds perfectly, but it'll still be great to see these two put through their paces. 👍🏻🍻

[@yodadarksideGreenHawksRC]

@@poorboysrc Oh for sure mate! I'm a Tamiya fan boy at heart, but would choose the Fazer over the TTO2 any day of the week. I've been thrashing the Hanky out of mine for two years now, and it just keeps coming back for more!! 👍 👍 👍

[@poorboysrc]

@@yodadarksideGreenHawksRC I agree 100%! - Tamiya for life, but Kyosho is leading the charge with this chassis!

[@simonbodill]

I’ve got to say it sounds sweet

[@poorboysrc]

Yeah the gears have a very smooth feel to them, the whole drivetrain feels really good. 👌

[@markconnor269]

Great video Dude 👍

[@poorboysrc]

Thanks Mark! 👊🏼

[@jemshobbies]

Cool vid fil

[@poorboysrc]

Thanks pal! Glad to see your name in the comments, it's been a while. Getting ready for some more speed runs? 😉😄

[@jemshobbies]

@@poorboysrc I’ve been running my limitless and just got my 4s batteries to try. Waiting to see what your plan for a chassis is this year for your challenge. Lol

[@miketuggle9273]

I got one thing to say - "Red Green!"

[@poorboysrc]

Haha YYYEEESSS!!! Someone finally gets the reference!!! My man!!! 😂👍🏻🍻

[@miketuggle9273]

@@poorboysrc Shweeeet!!!! do I win a free roll of duct tape? I need to recover the lawn chairs.

[@poorboysrc]

@@miketuggle9273 it's in the mail! Haha. And remember, if the women don't find ya handsome, they should at least find ya handy. 😏

[@Patricio711]

That car is so undergeared it's not even funny anymore.

[@poorboysrc]

Yeah she could use a couple extra teeth on the pinion, right?

[@Patricio711]

@@poorboysrc you can hear it reach top speed 3 metres after launching and then it stays there.

[@poorboysrc]

@@Patricio711 yeah the torque and acceleration are nuts! But it does top out quick. It's almost too torquey at times. Did you watch my running video? I had to shoot, and reshoot so many of the shots, as the torque was so crazy it was tough to drive, film, and not crash every time. 😄

[@rcinhand9671]

That's cool, how you're neck and neck with @MarkBryanRC

[@poorboysrc]

Crazy, right? I really thought the Mk2 would have been faster.