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[@BillWong]

根本一直沒積極處理回收物品，我自己一直有分類，但放入政府的回收箱都是去堆田區。點推行呀？

[@read4fun]

分四個回收箱，一起掉落同一垃圾袋過去堆填區，順便唔批有心做回收既廠續租，去左星加玻

[@inone2777]

第一，公共政策唔係出街食飯，唔可以隨興而為，政府要推任何政策，都必需要做好事前準備，垃圾徵費唔緊要，之前有冇做好政策推動??? 如果前期研究和推動冇做好，輔助政策和相關支援冇到位，我覺得先係香港市民對環保政策不滿的關鍵。澳門雖然細香港好多，但論環保政策真的比香港到位好多，膠袋費收取之前，澳門政府已經係民間推廣環保袋，十年前在很多大型活動如美食節或清潔運動宣傳大會上已經免費派咗數以十萬計的環保袋! 不單市民，甚或旅客都知道澳門未來是要全面取締膠袋的使用。而且係男女老幼都知! 雖然我都仍不時有用膠袋，但D膠袋的重用率真係多咗，至少用黎購物幾次之後才會當垃圾袋使用!

[@taipocheung-gm6tj]

政府自己完全控制既公屋，咁多年都冇攪垃圾分類，依家要d三無大廈，村屋，老人大厦攪？

[@wongwalter]

共屋有垃圾分類..但係收垃圾D人將垃圾掉回垃圾車...只係口頭垃圾分類...

[@benleung2112]

成個回收業都未整好，就去推垃圾分類，真係搞笑

[@wongwalter]

@@benleung2112 因為公屋收垃圾都係外判公司..價低者得...邊可能會做得好...不停膠袋問題..冇左膠袋..增加9倍紙張..到時周街垃圾..

[@wongwalter]

@@benleung2112 垃圾分類台灣就係一個例子...台北以外地方根本做不到垃圾分類...D垃圾四圍掉...香港人已經好自律..

[@homelam5488]

e+每日用一个袋，徵费後也要用一个，咁典能样用少咗呢？

[@dennispoon6650]

係叫你用少d野，唔係用少個袋😂。不過個袋係未變成袋之前嘅野又會去左邊呢？

[@soranokagami565]

樓下都重未有廚餘機 搞條命咩

[@leochan6682]

其實垃圾徵費成件事根本就唔係為環保，認真便輸了！

[@kityeeflorachong8800]

❤

[@tommywan622]

邊有諗過垃圾徵費會有得退俾市民，香港政府有咁好死，你開胃喇。

[@peterso7965]

高官啲人工就喺咁樣支出！😂😂😂😂👍👍👍

[@wunhunglo9796]

門責官員.何時變咗無責官員.

[@hohoho13]

以前用超市免費膠袋裝垃圾送去堆填區，依家話要用政府收費膠袋裝垃圾送去堆填區，你話環保環喺邊度？

[@castmo]

謝謝分享

[@user-rh5ct3ft4j]

點解對於垃圾徵費，傳媒重點一直都放在香港自己的屋邨居民點樣處理上，而作為全港性法律，來香港旅遊的每年幾千萬人次的外來遊客其實同樣都要接受相應規管。咁請問如何教育來港旅客？對這幾千萬遊客如果出現違法的話，政府打算怎樣執法處理？無人討論過。就只識搞自己香港人。

[@wunhunglo9796]

D高官lQ咁高.未想到呀.咁都要問😂😂

[@kwokkeunglaw-ro9dj]

做甚麼事都要heart才能感動人，不是跑龍套。做環保政府有heart嗎？減少建築費料沙田濾水廠可以停建嗎？土地根本沒有需求。政府車輛可以暫停更換嗎？傢俬可以用木或竹木嗎？用電子版代替hard copy. 銀行已廣泛使用。飲水器代替水樽紙杯。減少替換傢俬。 環保是習慣是信念，現在是要市民徵費作交數他們就交差，是不是祗許州官放火不許百姓點燈。官是甚麼官？官不似官民還是民嗎？但現在官是不許駡，那麼秦檜，魏忠賢，和坤也應該是愛國教育的一部份

[@uservpn1123]

層樓跌左咁多，你仲要令我生活成本上升?? 就算有徵費我都唔會跟，樓價升返先同我講啦

[@sugar6421]

垃圾分類係應該要推行，但現在嘅推行人根本無能力做到

[@bluestatice]

我們在加拿大的其中一個城市，十年前實行垃圾分類時，是每一戶免費派發給有三個不同顏色的膠桶，令市民垃圾分類，變成零成本。實行比率為一百巴仙。問題是：你到底想環保、定搵錢？

[@jojojo2891]

十幾億人都未收費，環保 政策係關乎執行力，你搵前線嚟搞又為乜？ 收咗費你肯定同環保有關係？

[@tommywan622]

大陸用膠袋用即棄膠餐具用得好開心，2050中國碳中和呢個目標，由香港先努力。🎉

[@LorentiChau-db3cb]

The original idea is not bad at all and suppose such a law should be executed long time ago and did it step by step with different districts in respectively . Nowadays to start , people from Hong Kong may find certain difficulties to adapt the change cause . A. Inconvenience - Due to lack of sufficient facilities in most of the public estates , is hard to support this idea as to work effectively at the present B. Additional cost burden for spending money with those environmental bags. It doesn’t apply to every families, but vast of the majority from root level find uncomfortable to take extra financial burden on this type of bags , especially the economy is not that inspiring nowadays in HKG. Every single dollar they spend have to be worth to spend according to the mentality from vast of the majority people ( from root level in particular) C. People have to spend time as to handle and categorise with different type of materials among the rubbish waste and put it into different type of bags . That’s not the type of practice people use to deal with and they need to change their habit now when this law will be executed .Therefore some people may find uncomfortable to do so. Present suggestion : - Set up sufficient facilities to well assure every inhabitants can find easier to handle their rubbish waste is the first thing Gov has to act on immediately . ( Understand what people need , if they have to handle all these rubbish waste subject to the new law. Furthermore , how to make their life easier as to handle all these rubbish waste) - To execute this policies from certain areas as for start . Once inhabitants can adapt it , the idea can extend to other districts gradually as well. like the time when Hong Kong begun with a few confirmed cases with convid 19 few years ago . Took vaccination were strongly be resisted by people at the beginning . Somehow , most people took it at the end cause they understood it was the way to go. For this policy the same , the government has to be well prepared and ensure such a law will not cause too much inconvenience and extra burden for the public when it will be executed . Is hard to change human’s habit as we all realise. In spite of that , it is not impossible. I believe one of the best way as to change the human habit is to implant the key idea to everyone and well assure they will understand what’s the benefit for doing so . If people realise the potential benefit and consequences , some people at least will do it voluntarily and automatically without require any reminder . Example , we know smoking is bad for the health and to stop it is good for our own self and family . In this case the same , Gov has to put a bit more effort on research and find out how to help inhabitants to handle all these rubbish waste effectively ,conveniently and economically as base on where they live. Complaints as arise from public is inevitable , but how to execute the law and make vast of the majority to cooperate with government happily with lowest complaints is the key . Not a lot of people understand the repercussions as bring up by the rubbish wasted as produce by Hong Kong Daily .Thereto , it is the responsibility of the Gov to explain what problems will be created if such problems will not be reduced . If this can be done from the pass decade through strong promotion and education , Everyone may already now fully adapt with this law as other countries do. Anyway , I hope my comments from above sounds logical and reasonable. If not , then sorry for troubling to read . Thanks

[@timcheung1745]

👍

[@kwyuenantony]

其實我覺得香港人已經好和善, 又好傾得, 又順民, 又夠醒目, 但係政府真係太廢、太聽大陸話、太無腦, 啲咩逃犯條例對香港社會有咩幫助, 垃圾徵費又等巿民自生自滅, 日本人有咩事已經鞠躬下左台, 香港就反對聲音激進少少又俾人話要紳士議會, 啲官做錯咩都香港人已經好健忘...一班廢老明明見盡中國歷史文革六四既歷史教訓, 都係民智未開咁款...禮義廉咁既款都仍然可以在香港立足... 香港已經夠亂, 大陸又不斷灌輸佢地強力威權思想, 問題係一套系統不在於絕對誰對誰錯, 在於做開大家有一定共識, 好似日本人咁其實做法好守舊、好迂腐, 相比其他國家好異類, 但係勝在大家都有共識去採取呢種做法。香港就干預太嚴重, 當英治時期注重制度時, 往往被大陸果種不尊重民意既做法去左右。坦白講, 大陸做開無民意基礎無乜問題, 有問題自然會當地政治體系自我調節, 但最差最差最差就係俾人指指點點, 做自己又唔係, 做你隻狗又唔係, 就變成宜家咁不倫不類

[@siumainie5725]

支持

[@trebleclef5001]

用唔同嘅例子帶出一個concept. 多謝。

[@user-ru1xi2ee8l]

推動環保產業，如幫公司系堔圳租地起廠，生產環保產品可在港減稅！

[@rosaleung735]

👍👍👍🙏

[@user-rn7em2lv1q]

齊鼓掌👏問責班離地膠官啦

[@antigreenies]

綠色和平，港人公敵!

[@Jason-vz2hi]

❤

[@hoishunchan3890]

垃圾收費只是環保其中一步，香港政府根本無問過大多數香港市民應該用怎樣的方式去減少垃圾，其實香港政府可以出幾個方法，用投票的方式令到市民作出選擇。 其實方法有很多種，例如用一種程式去計算，就像電費一樣，去掉的垃圾與回收的垃圾進行計算，令到人民的垃圾稅可以減免或回贈。如何增加土地與免稅與免租土地令到環保行業係香港發展。 只是香港政府想到用最簡單的方法，用懲罰的方法，去令到人民減少垃圾，如果減少有顯著的效果的話，後面就政府可以唔需要跟進，如果效果不好，政府才會另想辦法解決。

[@waimanho7668]

香港冇可能做到垃圾收費，三無四無大廈大部份老人家住，佢地點攞住＇－袋二袋去掉呀😢到時真係变成臭港

[@karenng6699]

謝謝蕭生分享👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@HapatSamson-ep7cw]

打包上市證券市場。

[@EricChan-gs3sq]

教市民用少啲膠，不是要高價膠袋來叫市民少用膠，可反轉教育市民獎勵市民。

[@desmond336]

垃圾徵費係為左23條轉移視線啫

[@alhambraalhambra734]

13:20 "蘇貞昌..." 那不就是國民黨講的嗎？ 不然老蕭怎知道？

[@charling2429]

🙏🙏🙏

[@sksmak2613]

與你蕭若元有甚麼關係呢？

[@wengvenson8568]

無良、燒山、癈佬已經完全無人格可言，係海外好食好住仲要旅行，仲唔cut 佢Patreon 都唔係人

[@fattydoraemon852]

和牛？

[@johnlam9001]

集團利益行先，壟斷其後，皮裏陽秋

[@takshanchok9409]

總要問責？

[@takshanchok9409]

叫街市不好比膠袋，大多數街市派

[@cubebb6675]

環保產業是由多個分工的產業, 由垃圾回收商, 到分解成原材料商, 到由原材料變回再制造商, 看看日本很多靚包裝紙都是回收的再造纸, 香水正苦又打壓後面環保產業同時又徵收市民環保袋費, 真是笑大人個口.

[@michaellee5334]

香港發生嘅事，喺台灣再發生一次，意想不到吧

[@alanlau5954]

很清楚講解，多謝！

[@pandoralee8707]

🙏thanks for info and support you

[@cheungkk7700]

Thanks SiuHk

[@Xoxoxoxoxo103]

Well said

[@user-vm4jx5jw4m]

國民黨同民眾黨係為中共做嘢，睇民意如浮雲

[@tsuikwanming4943]

港英年代,維港清潔成功,徵收排污費,水費加排污,用水排水收費,維港清潔了！

[@user-ss4xy9zo4r]

國會憲政改革，解釋好簡單… 人哋香港23 條幾個星期都過到… 點解台灣唔得？

[@teddychung6130]

非常清晰，又上一課👍🏻

[@manlokho5316]

剩系而家行緊廚餘機已經無命,d阿婆為咗包公仔面,掉d榴槤売重包住報紙,滿咗都重倒一漏到成地都系。勁臭。

[@kwokcheungchiu606]

你講得很好啊! 可惜, 他們是揸槍的, 只係識條鐵

[@kenlamhoyin]

That’s why those party big head no balls to stand up in front of people. Totally no responsibilities.

[@user-sk3xw6np8n]

住籠屋還要搞垃圾分類，自己都是垃圾了，麻煩政府分類啦！

[@Thetomlean]

蕭生, 最近網上盛傳你反對 鄭保瑞拍彭湖島, 並呼Fans底限九龍城寨, 打压香港影人，你要申明理据

[@choichuwong1313]

❤支持蕭生👍支持環保💪

[@pingnamtse]

你个千万富翁。你怎知道穷人要返工上班工都冇得做。还要用金钱时间做倒垃圾

[@CircleFong6209]

黃錦星

[@takwong4903]

民健联和工联会通過现在反对正9种

[@360mindless]

嗰推行者無誠信無民意，推乜都屎，再加埋好多中產、年輕一代移民，這些都係推行環保政策的中流砥柱，香港註定同普世脫勾而沉淪下去。

[@lamwai1639]

思想正確，好好學 習😂爛尾政策😊

[@quanmaxinfo166]

你的成本概念混亂，個袋貴係其商業原因，不是收垃圾成本，你的說法是之前係零成本零收費，才站得穩，你自己話有無可能？ 你的說法將收垃圾成本double count 了

[@saulinlaw8989]

我哋下一代教育，現今香港政府能夠付出幾多呢？乏善可陳囉。

[@kenlamhoyin]

This is the most stupid policy next to national security law in HK

[@pollyso991]

🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🫡🫡

[@vincentleung1813]

垃圾徵費如果再次押後，政府需要向公眾交代以下問題： 1. 垃圾徵費日後會如何再推行？路線圖是怎樣？ 2. 如何增加「綠在區區」回收設施？ 3. 如何推動回收及環保產業？ 4. 現在三個堆填區估計何時會全面飽和？有沒有需要興建第四個垃圾堆填區？如果需要，何時興建？ 5. 明年啓用的石鼓洲垃圾焚化爐可以處理的垃圾佔整體垃圾量百分之幾？有沒有計劃興建更多垃圾焚化爐？長遠是不是打算所有都市固體垃圾都會透過焚化處理？

[@user-ru1xi2ee8l]

您問得好👍

[@takwong4903]

共產黨做事不需要向公眾交代

[@quanmaxinfo166]

你重複傳播你的說法，但你重不想深一點

[@EricChan-gs3sq]

講咩環保，先浪費一大批綠色膠袋，根本政府由此可見，冇腦，個腦只會徵收市民錢。

[@torsionchu3343]

一拍腦代或一拍大臂 7:26 便做，共産黨己经玩了好多次，看看效果如何！

[@alhambraalhambra734]

KZbin的白，（+&痴又來censor了

[@alhambraalhambra734]

That's why I say AI application is still immature.

[@chishunwong6630]

台灣內部分裂，正中(中共)下懷

[@henrylam4934]

如果垃圾都要收錢，我就買少啲嘢 ，就好似膠袋收費 ，我以前去超市可能會買多幾樣嘢 膠袋收費後，我平時只會買一件起兩件止。對我嚟講可以慳錢、但如果個個都好似我咁就….

[@LUCKY11902]

零售業死快D

[@takwong4903]

​@@LUCKY11902我地多些去深圳香港快瓜得

[@kampiukwok6155]

聽君所言 勝讀十年書

[@manwahau]

也是燦化，管治的結果

[@chnkenji]