Labour and Militant This Week TV Eye 1982

[@richmotroni]

I bet Thatcher was laughing like hell if she watched this.😂😂😂

[@andrewburridge5958]

No wonder it was 15 years later to win power with this madness

[@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095]

I remember it in real time, I was 20. It was a gift to Thatcher, fanning the smoke of ultra-left wing Militant infiltration in the Labour party. Shame there's no similar movement in the Tory party against the ultra-right wing. {:o:O:}

[@RustySekai]

Frankie Boyle hasn't aged a day has he?

[@colinfarren8326]

Lol

[@stephenholmes1036]

Ha ha ha

[@Jesus420.69]

At first I was like “I wonder who he means..” then boom. Doppelgänger

[@spartacusforlife1508]

I went to militant meetings in the 80,s. had friends in militant and they were a seperate party from labour

[@blackhope]

They were, but that is irrelevant for the reasons they were expelled. There were many in Labour. It was a scapegoat.

[@spartacusforlife1508]

@@blackhope let's have some honesty over the militant tendency. They were trotskyist in beliefs, the Labour Party wasn't. Even though I believed in much of the miltant beliefs, at that time, it was right for the Labour Party to throw them out. Militant was a cuckoo in the nest

[@thethirdman2135]

@Hussain Khan ,the hard left are the Tories guarantee of years of power, useful idiots

[@Endofthemap]

A party within a party, what like new labour and the conservative party XD

[@petermernagh9991]

40 years later and the only time a Labour has been in government was when they moved to the centre

[@simmybackup5000]

And how has the right wing leaning of the past 40 years done for this country? lmao

[@NotMarkKnopfler]

Militant 1982 = Momentum 2019

[@edmund184]

yes, and the British public told them where to go

[@politicalphilosophy-thegre3894]

TV Eye didn't do themselves any favours by inviting Austin Mitchell to this debate. Very aggressive and abusive speaker and prone to interrupting and shouting down anyone who disagreed with him (as he accused Militant of doing), as well as someone with a long history of misogyny. No wonder he never went anywhere in politics.

[@debbief9861]

Mitchell would have to compete with Spellar and the EETPU in terms of contemptible behaviour!

[@newjerseyyouth4853]

Tbf it was a last minute choice

[@JK-br1mu]

He did very well in the opening monologue, giving Militant the horse-whipping they deserved.

[@ianreynolds8552]

Austin Mitchell was shamed in the late 1980s after he was discovered working for Rupert Murdoch.

[@malcomhyde6929]

You never said truer word.

[@str.77]

So what?

[@plechaim]

"A party within a party" "A secretive organisation" Could be said about Progress in the current Labour Party.

[@g66ee]

+Night Operations So true re Progress

[@AlJalandhari]

Night Operations maybe not now Lord sainsbury is no longer funding them

[@johnhaywood1253]

Nothing secretive about Progress. And you have always had to be a Labour member to be a member of Progress.

[@konradblades93]

@@johnhaywood1253 Militant Members back in the day were card carrying LP Members.

[@whatamalike]

@@johnhaywood1253 secretive? They were literally a constant presence at trade unions events, clps and just in town And city centers selling their newspaper! How the hell is that "secretive"!?

[@conradmurray5850]

Militant were right

[@gyrovague]

I don't agree with everything about Militant (leninist?) but Taaffe was prophetic here - Labour didn't get into power until 1997 and the policies Blair & co laid down just didn't make much of an impact and some were in fact to the right of Thatcher. Why vote for a pale imitation of the Tories? Here he is.. satanic Tony looking guilty and deranged when talking about Thatch: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22073434

[@Nine-Signs]

I support Jeremy, because his team is the only team willing to TRY, to fix this: ****ECONOMICS & HISTORY 101: A CRASH COURSE FOR ORDINARY PEOPLE**** *WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR WAGES POST 1980 UK/US* i.imgsafe.org/36de5a2815.png *WHAT HAPPENED TO POOREST U.K PEOPLES POST 1980* i.imgsafe.org/36e6864622.jpg *WHAT HAPPENED TO AMERICAN PEOPLES PRE/POST 1980* i.imgsafe.org/36e9e77413.jpg *A REASON WHY WE DON'T TAX THE RICH ANYMORE & WHO WAS PRIMARILY RESPONSIBLE* i.imgsafe.org/4eff110ee0.png *EXAMPLES OF HOW CAPITALISM HAS FAILED THE WESTERN MAJORITY* UK: i.imgsafe.org/36efe3e86c.png US:i.imgsafe.org/4f4644f0f5.jpg *WHAT THE ELITES DID WITH OUR STOLEN WAGES* i.imgsafe.org/4f4c8af290.jpg *WHEN THE WAGE THEFT TOOK OFF. US DATA* i.imgsafe.org/36f5205e80.png *UK=A MIRROR IMAGE* i.imgsafe.org/36f7805a86.jpg I can replicate this picture in most capitalist countries. A model Exported via financial markets of US&UK over the 1980's and 90's is now dominant. It is supply side economics, and it doesn't give a damn how much money is in your pocket, you are a consumer only. Only when you can’t increase your consumption year on year by taking on more debt do the asset owning classes care(1929/2008) but only enough to pillage your country's savings to allow them to keep lending you the wages you no longer get for what you produce for them per hour, and haven't done since before 1980, never to change. Indeed, it’s getting worse: www.ifs.org.uk/tools_and_resources/incomes_in_uk As for poverty induced criminality, they get stuck in private cages for Group4Solutions and generate thousands of pounds of income per prisoner for G4S a year from their imprisoned slave labour. *HOW SOCIALISM CAN SAVE CAPITALISM FROM ITSELF & AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT UKLABOUR PARTY UNDER CORBYN WANT* i.imgsafe.org/36f9b776f1.png Along with this is a law that according to economics Prof R.D Wolff roughly states (paraphrased) any company selling up, merging, off shoring, closing, the workers will be given the option, to take control of and operate the company or the buildings and equipment that the company has here if a multinational chooses to leave, and the public bank Jeremy will create will provide the funds to do so. The Corporations will not be allowed to take the equipment and resources the UK taxpayer subsidized if they leave. The workers left behind take that over. It's called Democracy @ work and Germany already has similar laws including that 45% of the board of directors of a company employing over 1000people must be taken from the base work force. All combined, it’s a major reason why their manufacturing hasn't buggered off to China. If the UK had these laws by 1980 the last 40 years would have been very different indeed, it would have made it so much more difficult for capitalism to abandon the country's in which it grew up, and with the tools and factories left behind turned over to the workers the corporate elites would have to compete with the workers they left behind for their UK market share which they would lose once the word got out in favour of the UK workers at X factory v shoddy Chinese goods from x Global Capitalist Supranational Corporation. **Socialism & the Media* We are told three lies regarding Karl Marx & Socialism by our historians, teachers, parents, media, and the defenders and beneficiaries of Capitalism: The Media Says Marx = 1) Central planning. 2) Government ownership 3) Single party rule i.e. the USSR ... The only problem with that is the USSR practiced State Capitalism, NOT Socialism. Nor China, Nor Cuba, there has NEVER been a truly socialist state. GOVERNMENT is NOT supposed to own private enterprises under Socialism but is to manage the democratic provision of essential services, education, health, power, water, transport, and housing according to the works of Karl Marx. He never wrote a single word on these three topics above, nor did he ever propose "an economic model to follow". He was a critic of Capitalism. For the private sector, he wanted nothing less than democracy at work in order to save capitalism from itself and save us from Capitalism. He saw and documented the future from 150 years ago, and our leaders response was to discredit him through manipulations of economic fact and history taught from the youngest age in the farthest schools for eternity. His entire and ONLY focus was on the problems and injustices of capitalism and how to solve them, this is why our Captains of Capitalism, our education, our historians and the Media have lied to us for generations. His life and writing are a danger to the slave master relationship that the asset owning classes want regardless of the country where they control the show, capitalism promised to get rid of this slave master relationship which is a hangover from feudalism with liberty, equality, and fraternity and then it failed to do so anywhere on this earth, instead creating a global version of the hunger games with a trans boarder capable elite. In summary, Capitalism, has collapsed *twice in 75 years* and had 11 downturns in between, now entering the 12th. As I have proven, and many places are proving, we can do better than capitalism. We MUST do better than capitalism, or else it's only ever downwards for the western majority from here on out. We need to move far quicker than we are at reclaiming our economies for the many not the few. We are out of time... i.imgsafe.org/4f85693775.gif Give it a few seconds, large gif. *Congratulations* You now know everything you need to know about how capitalism is failing the majority and how to change it which is more than most politicians and economists. You may also have trouble sleeping at night if you've understood it all.

[@MarineAqua45]

Conrad Murray Yes they were right, they set Labour back at least 15 years before they got elected again. All they did, was give Thatcher an excuse to trash more councils & industry. By the way, they were the reason for why she got into power in the first place.

[@thethirdman2135]

The hard left are useful idiots guaranteeing the Tories will stay in power forever

[@JK-br1mu]

They were far left totalitarian criminals, with no redeeming qualities.

[@neilcaff]

Hi Steve. How would you say Socialist Appeal's abortive attempt to do entry work in the SSP reflect on the decision of the Majority to do more open work in the 90's?

[@DWCartwright]

neilcaff Hi Neil, that's an interesting question to my friend Steve Brown. I've been in Glasgow since 1989 and could give a lot of information in reply. I'll look you up on FB to discuss the question.

[@briganti4072]

Taffe = top lad

[@matthewhendy5785]

Austin Mitchell's comments are still salient today.

[@ianreynolds8552]

Austin Mitchell was shamed in the late 1980s after discovered working for Rupert Murdoch. What are we to make of that?

[@timcomley3241]

A lifetime in opposition

[@DWCartwright]

Genuine socialists 1 Right wing careerists 0

[@badgershands]

If you count idiots trotting out cia conspiracy nonsense as winners. You're an utter dickhead.

[@timcomley3241]

You sure

[@andrewburridge5958]

@@timcomley3241 looking back these guys unlawfully harassed Jews and generated a huge Tory majority.

[@sparkspark833]

Austin Mitchell presumably thought that he and his fellow witch hunters were the best possible and most attractive face of the Labour Party.

[@hallneville1376]

Same old Marxist claptrap

[@owenmb984]

Marxists have done more for the average working man with than any Labour "moderates"

[@vincentreynolds2127]

Wonder why Liverpools- F - - - - D?

[@roadend78]

Scouse not English

[@vincentreynolds934]

Good Old LABOUR.???????

[@leikfroakies]

4 dacades later - fuck all change

[@carlbirchall1632]

Never learn the labour party....Corbyn?

[@user-tn4fw7gq8u]

What are those rings the militants are wearing? Married to the mob Fabian rings? They're on the right hand.

[@ianreynolds8552]

Trivial

[@badgershands]

Strange how Militant members have the same smug, self satisfied grins as current Corbyn supporters.

[@gaygambler]

badgershands shush now bellend.

[@Tom-sj5og]

Probably because they were right then, and they are right now !!! Only now they are called The Socialist Party. Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer, We'll keep the red flag flying here.

[@gaygambler]

Tom Maestri Their not the really the socialist party. Only the SPGB is the real Socialist and socialism party” Militant tendencies Is pale imitation and a vanguard party.

[@Tom-sj5og]

@@gaygambler Ha Ha nice try mate ! To be fair I have got respect for the SPGB (I always go and chat to them at their stand at Tollpuddle every year) and I think my grandmother (who was a very active communist) belonged to the SPGB, but obviously I don't agree about The Socialist Party being a pale imitation. I could, i'm sure, write a lot about why The Socialist Party is not a pale imitation and why they are more socialist that the SPGB (the SP's correct historical analysis etc) but it is late, I am tired, and you would probally get better information from the SP themselves as I have not been an active member of the SP for years. I would recommend looking at their website and maybe buy one of their books (I would recommend any book by Peter Taffe or Tony Mulhearn). Anything else I can be of help with your welcome to contact me.

[@gaygambler]

Tom Maestri email me @. [e-mail]

[@willie5958]

Frank their Feild running from the battle again!!!! Total Tory infiltrator

[@timcomley3241]

The only one with any sense

[@g66ee]

Read your history mr Terzian, Class struggle will always continue with capitalism

[@ianreynolds8552]

Class struggle will be sharpened by the further decline of capitalism

[@JK-br1mu]

class struggle is outdated, far left nonsense that belongs in a previous era

[@Tommyfazz]

The guy with the beared is before his time.

[@rattylol]

Old before his time you mean

[@str.77]

​@@rattylol Not that it matters, jut he looks the youngest on the panel.

[@ian_b]

Our whole society has subsequently suffered the same entryist takeover, using the same methods.

[@robbibittybob20]

You can't have entryism in society by society's own members.

[@str.77]

​@@robbibittybob20 There's mo such thing as society. There's only individuals, groups and the stste.