Ladi Reacts To Metallica's Unforgiven Trilogy -- PART 2 -- 1ST Time Reacting to "The Unforgiven II"

In this second episode of a 3-part Ladi's Rockucation, Mark has Ladi react to Metallica's "The Unforgiven II."
In Part 1, Ladi reacted to "The Unforgiven."
In Part 3, Ladi reacts to "The Unforgiven II," and Ladi and Mark talk about the trilogy as a whole.
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[@zeinhikal8737]

I’ve always interpreted this song differently,to me it’s about a woman who is also unforgiven like him and that’s why they are meant for each other,”I take this key and I bury it in you because your unforgiven too” In the video he puts the key where her heart is,so he’s given her the key to his heart because she understands him. Just my interpretation of the song

[@LikeMindedLunatics]

I think that's a beautiful interpretation of the song. One of the things that elevates these songs is the ambiguity of their lyrics. They lyrics are ambiguous enough so that the listener can read themselves into the song, and in my head, that's one of the distinguishing characteristics of high art; its ability to be "read" in many different ways.

[@Fordman7575]

My take on this song is he gets older and meets a woman, who is also damaged/ unforgiven and they fall in love. They are trying to open up to each other to try and heal/ let each other in.

[@LikeMindedLunatics]

I think that's a great reading of it. The beautiful thing about his trilogy is the ambiguity to it. The "meaning" of these songs can change according to who's hearing them. I think that's indicative of high art.

[@chrisoverby819]

Ok, I made it over here lol. The first one was basically "I can't forgive you". This one leans more towards "I can't forgive her". The young man from the first one has grown up and is facing much of the same issues from his childhood with his (I'm assuming) partner. That's my take on it, anyway.

[@scorpionking4012]

I really like that song on that album, something about it made me connected.

[@injairgun]

The steel guitar sound is James playing a B-Bender Fender Telecaster

[@ThielKlenner]

YES - the Truth is hurting most. I agree with your analysis - The Cave of Plato and also Ladi's story about the letters from then "women" are fitting - so does the Matrix ;-) Love you guys! One word about the reaction of many "fans" to Load and Re-Load: it's disgusting. Every time I read something about these albums on facebook (or similar platforms) I already know what happens next: Buhu, not "real" Metallica, sell-out commercial etc. < you know the crap. Unforgivable... 😉 I HATE HATERS < even if it maybe paradox ;-) Btw. these 3 albums are my favourites by Metallica. ;-)

[@LikeMindedLunatics]

"One word about the reaction of many "fans" to Load and Re-Load: it's disgusting. Every time I read something about these albums on facebook (or similar platforms) I already know what happens next: Buhu, not "real" Metallica, sell-out commercial etc." I totally agree with you. I've never understood that mindset. Sometimes an artist will make something I don't get or just isn't for me, but that whole "they sold out" nonsense has never made any sense.

[@carlgibson285]

​@@LikeMindedLunaticsI've never understood the "Metallica sold out" mindset either. It was inevitable that after the success of the Black album, Metallica would evolve musically. Before the Black album, the band were only touring with other metal and rock bands and they weren't really exposed to other genres or influences outside of metal. Then the Black album hit, Metallica became huge, and suddenly they were playing shows like the Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert with legends from every genre of music. Metallica didn't sell out, they just discovered new influences through the new opportunities they had, and they incorporated these new influences into their music.

[@spleen3524]

You should make him react to Fade to Black too ! He'll never recover 😂

[@LikeMindedLunatics]

I'm on mobile or I'd include links, but if you search the channel I have a pretty good matchup of "Fade to Black" from the pandemic. Ladi isn't in it, but I compared the studio version to a version Het and the boys did acoustically. You might like that one. And if you haven't already watched it, check out the Unforgiven III reaction. That one really gets Ladi. Maybe he found the lyrics to that one a lot more moving, or maybe it was the compound effect from listening to all three in a row, but Part III really gets him. And thanks for checking these out. I hope you keep checking our stuff out, and if you aren't already, please make sure you sub and stick around!

[@spleen3524]

@@LikeMindedLunatics Yes I saw the Unforgiven serie XD I'll watch the fade to black reaction, thanks for your content !

[@sebfre]

Interesting views on the lyrics. I've always thought that the first song is indeed about his childhood and youth years and his parents are the unforgiven. "I dub (name) thee (them) unforgiven (can't forgive them)". Part two can surely be interpreted multiple ways but if you focus on certain keywords, such as "the door" and replace it with "my heart/soul", it'd most logically refer to a romantic relationship in my opinion. A little bit of my analysis: The door is locked now But it's opened if you're true If you can understand the me Then I can understand the you - Replace "the door" with "my heart/soul". Now the rest of the verse start to make a lot of sense. The door cracks open But there's no sun shining through Black heart scarring darker still But there's no sun shining through - Like he's beginning to trust "her" but isn't quite ready yet. What I've felt, what I've known Turn the pages, turn the stone Behind the door, should I open it for you? Yeah, what I've felt, what I've known Sick and tired, I stand alone Could you be there? 'Cause I'm the one who waits for you Or are you unforgiven too? "...Behind the door, should I open it for you?" -> "Should I open my heart/soul and trust you?" "...Or are you unforgiven too?" -> The last line of the chorus in my opinion translate to something like "are you worth my trust or will you treat me like my parents did? (in which case you'd end up dubbed the unforgiven like them)" Come lay beside me, this won't hurt, I swear She loves me not, she loves me still, but she'll never love again She lay beside me, but she'll be there when I'm gone Black heart scarring darker still, yes she'll be there when I'm gone Yes, she'll be there when I'm gone Dead sure she'll be there... In this verse I take he's fallen in love but he's not quite sure about her trustworthiness... Lay beside me, tell me what I've done The door is closed, so are your eyes But now I see the sun, now I see the sun Yes, now I see it "The door is closed..." -> He's closed his heart/soul again "...so are your eyes..." -> This could obviously mean anything but one of the last lines of the song is "I take this key (never free) And I bury it (never me) in you Because you're unforgiven, too" -> so it could mean that she literally died and he buried the key to his heart/soul along with her or then he metaphorically left his heart/soul to her after they broke up but that'd give "so are your eyes..." a different meaning. Phew...it's one hell of a song There's a million ways to read James' lyrics and it's hard not to overanalyze them. You guys however just earned a subscriber. Looking forward to seeing more.

[@LikeMindedLunatics]

I think that's a great reading of the song. I go back and forth on the meaning of it, and like you indicated, there's a lot of different ways to interpret them. When we've done the serious reactions like this in the past, we've had conversations about what constitutes "high" versus "low" art. The one thing we all agree on here at LML is that "low" art essentially has one meaning. For instance, Winger's song "17" is about Kip Winger wanting to bang 17 year olds. That's "low" art. We might still like it, but we recognize its limitations. "High" art is something like this where there's intentional ambiguity in the lyrics. The listener is almost required to read themselves into the lyrics. For my money, Het is one of the best in the business at creating lyrics like this. So much attention gets paid to his ability to write riffs, his downpicking, the energy of the band, etc, but in my head he's a poet at heart. Thanks for checking this one out and subscribing! We're really glad you're here. Just a heads up: Sometimes we treat the music very seriously like in this one. Other times we watch "low" art and have beers and have fun!

[@ladislaoloera6095]

Am I that short, or did Mark get really tall?

[@LikeMindedLunatics]

I won't wear my platforms in the future.

[@reddirt9117]

Educate Ladi on some Disturbed......i love the education myself... ✌️❤️🤘...

[@LikeMindedLunatics]

Oh man that's a terrific suggestion! I love Draiman and Disturbed. We'll definitely do that in the future. Hopefully you're subbed to the channel so you see when that happens.

[@JoeBlythe]

You've probably already been properly filled in on the song meaning by now, but I'll chime in anyway. This song is about a girl, who has begun to steal the heart of a man who has made a living out of shutting himself off from any intimate relationship, or love. His solace (and now I see the sun), is his forcefield against any other human trust, or companionship. And at the end of the song, he murders his love interest (probably metaphorically), and realizes he is now a slave to being the only way he has always been ... alone

[@LikeMindedLunatics]

"been properly filled in on the song meaning by now" As far as I know, and I looked at a lot of interviews, James hasn't directly addressed the "meaning" of the song, so any meaning that's derived is audience-based reasoning. Additionally, even if James had commented on the "meaning" of the song, there's something in literary criticism called the "fallacy of intent," which basically tells us that we should try our best to ignore the seductive nature of allowing an artist to define the meaning of art because once art is released into the world, the audience is what supplies it with meaning. So your reading is a good one, but it's not the only valid one.

[@don63]

Listen to Metallicas Mama Said

[@robvegas9354]

Probably the worst song on Reload by a country mile. And that is saying something, lots of clangers on that CD.

[@ARandomInternetUser08]

The fuck?

[@LikeMindedLunatics]

Definitely a hot take.

[@Jay-mt6nu]

Okay bro....take your snickers

[@Lady_Justice]

Hetfield's best singing era was 96-99 (Load, ReLoad, Garage Inc Disc 1, S&M).

[@LikeMindedLunatics]

I guess it kinda depends on how you define "best." I'd agree that's about the time his range sort of peaked, but I think his ability to emote as a singer has only gotten better. Watch him in this 2019 version of "Unforgven III." When he gets to the big crescendo at the end, he's doing some of the best singing of his career: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKebiHxnjJyiebs