LAFD RTX Walkaround

[@ph11p3540]

I like the fact it has a slightly more narrow shorter footprint for operating in more tight inner city spaces.

[@derbusfahrer9650]

Well i think thats bcs its based of the German Version ( Rosenbauer RT) which was build to alos fit in our old City Centers

[@pythons206]

Its because it is bassed off european standards

[@stuartcotterill9475]

Finally I've seen a US firetruck with a quick supply 1" high pressure line..

[@CBB-dg9jy]

Talking with someone old timers who used to run high pressure I would really like to see some UL research on the topic.

[@Sarge084]

A high pressure hose reel on both sides of British fire appliances is standard Home Office specification. When I was a fireman the hose reel was first choice in over 70% of call outs.

[@billpizzaman4700]

UHP Is the way. I would like to see more UHP on rapid response vehicles

[@steadylads8337]

i love how the seats swivel, easier to face each other and thank each other for their service!! love it!!

[@wurmiron]

What he didnt mention, inwards facing seats are saver, since flip-overs are the most likly cause of injury

[@WorldTravelA320]

Not to mention with the tablets, they can keep watching soap operas enroute to pulling Grandma's cat out of the tree

[@e4mafia_tn]

😂🤣😂🤣 best comment 🏆

[@benjaminh958]

That's really all first responders do, thank each other and pat each other on the back.

[@riff2072]

Have to love the 129 thumbs up for the sarcasm.

[@AuntieHauntieGames]

You forgot to show how those LED panels on the sides can light up a street at night. It's stunning every time.

[@Ilander86]

What an awesome machine! I'm just an enthusiastic bystander in the industry, but the ability to just leave the truck "ON" seems like a huge advantage versus the old fleet. Since BEVs are using so little power idling, it seems very clever to have them one step closer to being ready to roll out of the firehouse and save some seconds when they count.

[@larrymoore326]

I drove a fire engine for 29 years. Believe me this one is awesome! Wish I could drive and pump this one !!

[@stevehofmaster4292]

Awesome what an incredible fire truck,would love to see one up close.

[@LauRoot892]

Yep

[@NachumRobbins]

How are the mirror cameras legal? Is it because it’s an emergency vehicle? Regular trucks and cars aren’t allowed to have that yet in the US.

[@RedLine_Vibes]

I want mirror cams

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

mirror cams exist on large semi trucks and also cars over here for years already ... not sure if there are any in the US and Canada though

[@Thecrazyvaclav]

We’ve had them in Europe for 3-4 years, Mercedes were an early adopter of them, joys of being in the civilised world outside America I guess

[@PpAirO5]

Beautiful firetruck 😍

[@garciakevin293]

The Inner cab is pretty bad ass Kinda like the spartan big cabs

[@American-pl8fo]

the whole truck itself is ewww

[@oscarosullivan4513]

Welcome to the future

[@ffjsb]

Stupid Ca., no SCBA in the seats...

[@finn7750]

​@@American-pl8foAmerica RAAAAAA The only country where looks matter over function

[@American-pl8fo]

@@finn7750 its ugly

[@commonsense31]

Great guys you are catching up to the European Technology. that can operate easier in tight city streets.

[@stigandrmyrardalur5208]

Damn, a modern austrian fire-truck in America 😳😳😳😳 I really didn't see THAT comming....

[@SoCalFB2]

Finally I’ve been waiting for this.

[@brennanwhite9872]

How much is the purchase price for 1 of these trucks? What is the tareweight? What is the max GVW?

[@lightenupindustries7522]

Watch in a year from now LA is going to announce they are switching to the European style helmets 😂

[@jonase6339]

😂

[@d.w.d.w.3031]

Exactly! And no Q2Bs, just a whiny hi-low brit sound.

[@WLAs_Finest3x]

@@d.w.d.w.3031 I used to like that European hi-lo. They need to bring that back, but all this new stuff, these electronic sirens, the abbreviated dept name letters on the back of the turnout coats, this isn't FDNY. LAFD needs to keep most things traditional.

[@d.w.d.w.3031]

@@WLAs_Finest3x Amen to that! Pierce has been testing an electric Fire Engine in Madison, WI for the last 3 months and it's performing like a champ. And it looks like a real, American fire engine, it has real manual valves, and also boast a Q2B on its bumper! I can only hope that if LA embraces electric, they will turn to American manufacturers like Pierce. or will insist that a Euro brand NOT look like an RV made for a road trip.

[@WLAs_Finest3x]

@@d.w.d.w.3031 yeah, this thing does look like an RV. Lol

[@JackMacLupus]

I can already say: This vehicle IS a gamechanger! The field test that the fire department of Berlin had with a prototype of a similar vehicle for over a year exceeded every expectation and showed some small things that needed improvement but in the meantime they ordered FIVE vehicles for the regular service. Some of the biggest advantages is the fast acceleration and braking, (Ever seen a Tesla accelerating? Well, this truck can do that too!) the all-wheel-steering what makes the vehicle VERY agile, the big cabin and the larger compartments that allow it that no, or less, equipment needs to be stored on the roof anymore and everything is easy to access.

[@Gwmcmi02]

Not a firefighter, so outsider question. How cost effective is this truck compared to a traditional diesel, particularly with regard to longevity? What is the anticipated life span of the batteries & cost of replacement? Could this actually be the most effective EV application where batteries have an 8-12 year anticipated life span?

[@intellectualredneck1813]

This vehicle would cost 2-3 times as much as a tradissional diesel truck. It's a HUGE waste of tax payers dollars and a prime example why LA is filled with homeless and crime.

[@claasengelbart2268]

@@intellectualredneck1813 🤦‍♂Thats totally Bullshit...

[@billdavis2439]

It’s not none of this is. These guys blow more money. Buy more ambulances as 90 percent of the calls are car accidents not fires.

[@Tetadeux]

a typical ICE engine will need a full rebuid after (on average) 133k miles, and the average EV battey will now comfortably last 200k miles or 15-20 years... thats increasing litterally year on year. To answer the cost question - $1.2m, average pump truck is about $1m so only slightly more.. that cost should fall over time.

[@Texaca]

​​@@Tetadeux 🤣🤣🤣 those cost figures are outrageous! 😳 Battery service and upgrades will nullify any longterm Cost Savings. Corporate America doesn't care about longterm maintenance, upgrades, recycling, or End of Life disposal of spent battery packs. They're focused on selling More Units 😏 See: #LoneSkum, aka Elon Musk 🤨

[@alexrascol]

Looks great! Idk about the digital mirrors. What if the display malfunctions? Needs a set back up mirrors just in case.

[@ryanrichardson5951]

Digital mirrors have been a thing in Europe for years now and haven’t seemed to have any major issues. Proven tech as far as I’m aware

[@afcgeo882]

@@ryanrichardson5951US laws still require physical mirrors, so those have to be retained.

[@Gurfi28]

Do you have redundancy on a traditional mirror?

[@afcgeo882]

@@Gurfi28 No. You’re not allowed to operate without a mirror. You are allowed to operate without a camera, however.

[@Gurfi28]

@@afcgeo882 Wait what? Somehow I doubt that.

[@Kdfclincher]

I’m curious about the location of the Diesel engine. Also how much electrical issues it has. Just glad it’s not a Ferrara! Pierce should be another good one that’s on the street now too.

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

it's at the rear top of the truck if I remember correctly; It's a relatively small diesel engine from a BMW

[@Floh-yf7yz]

Its time for America to step up on firefighting technology.

[@primus6419]

Schönes Fahrzeug 👍🏻

[@FirePoAm]

Incredible electric firetruck. Rosenbauer deserves top 1 in firetruck manufacture in the world

[@chrisbarr1359]

I think booster reels have an unjustified bad reputation. Years back some would pull them on structural fires with of course bad results. But they have a place for small, outside fires like rubbish, brush, etc.

[@firefighter11223]

Booster reels have there place. You don’t use them for structure fires whoever told you to do that is an idiot.

[@michaelz.7140]

also car fires and dumpster fires

[@Bernie0481USMC]

Why I quit training academy for City of Charleston FD prior to Super Sofa Fire. First thing they teach, bragged and lectured about was using boosters for structure fires. NOPE!!! Boosters are great for leaf piles, trash and mulch fires.

[@michaelz.7140]

@@Bernie0481USMC never go into a structure with just a fast attack hose (or booster hose) why is it called booster hose when often it is the only hose available? But I have seen firefighters without booster hoses being so slow, that the whole car burned down before they sprayed it with water

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

@@michaelz.7140 depends on each country and department; Some definetly will go for an interior attack with their booster line

[@josephbrosius7255]

Air packs not in the seats? Or are they covered by the cushion?

[@paxundpeace9970]

Wondering too. The German one hat them integrated.

[@josephbrosius7255]

I've heard of places going to "clean cab" with no gear in the cab but didn't think LA would waste that much time

[@solarissv777]

@@josephbrosius7255 I like the Dutch solution for this: after the fire a support van comes, takes all the turnouts for cleaning, provides clean ones, brings full air bottles and takes the empty. They also seem to help deconing the SCBAs themselves. Or, and they also bring drinking water, coffee and snacks. This seem to be much more reasonable, then to delay firefighters by putting their gear in external storage.

[@oscarosullivan4513]

The newer Irish ones have such space for dirty gear and storage for spineboards and extra bottles outside the cab interior.

[@01natedawg]

Holy Shit, that actually looks super cool

[@ticky2586]

Wait so how many of these are the LAFD getting ?

[@d.w.d.w.3031]

Just one, I hope. Lol.

[@MrFlyboy1313]

They have to test the effectiveness of this one first before considering more. They are the chosen Guinea pig. The next 12 months will be interesting

[@d.w.d.w.3031]

@@MrFlyboy1313 I'm sure you're right. I live in Engine 82's first-in district in Hollywood, Los Angeles, so I'll be a seeing it around the neighborhood a lot, I bet, just as I normally see the traditional Engine 82 making runs all around my area. - Goodness! - Lordy, Lordy, as my grandmother would have said!

[@paxundpeace9970]

They will do some testing and then we will see.

[@ticky2586]

Thank you guys for the answers

[@randygravel2057]

So is the pump directly attached to the Diesel engine or a electric motor?

[@culbyj3665]

it seems he stated it is electrically driven.

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

the pump is powered by the battery; The diesel is only required as backup once the battery goes below 20%

[@solarissv777]

I believe, there is a video where Rosenbauer representative speaks more in depths about RT. AFAIR, he stated, that the engine can be connected directly to the pump via clutch.

[@emmata98]

@@solarissv777 it is directly connected to an electric motor. Maybe they have it as an option for petrolheads

[@solarissv777]

@@emmata98 It is always connected to a generator, and can be connected to pump (directly). I believe, at least the European version can function as a pump only with all electric systems dead.

[@raintarrant7771]

Love this FireTruck

[@jaynorthrup3050]

Having spent 32 years in the fire service, this new type of mainly electronic apparatus will have constant issues. We had some Rosenbauer ARFF vehicles that were delivered with issues.

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

it was tested at some of the busiest stations in our capital city. It spent less down time at the repair shop compared to equally brand new diesel powered apparatus based on a commercial chassis

[@garmack12]

Did you develop some verity of auto release charging connector so the truck can be charged at the station and automatically disconnect when the parking break is released?

[@mtnride4930]

It probably has a quick disconnect. just like the exhaust system disconnect for the other equipment

[@SGWChaosteam]

Isn´t that the case for every vehicle? We have a "Rett-Box" (Rescue-box) in germany, which has one plug for power and high pressure air. It disconnects as soon as you open the drivers door. It´s implemented in every truck and car in our department, even volunteer trucks, and is a standart in germany. I thought it´s just a copy of a us system, as most new firefighting equipment in germany is.

[@UpxSetter]

I wish we could’ve looked at the Deck Gun and also assemble the Tower Lights. We call them ‘Light & Air’ or ‘Breathing Support’ in CALFIRE. This is an awesome piece of equipment for Commercial, High Rise, & Wide Rise Fires.

[@mondo9.2.5]

Looks awesome goodjob guys .

[@stuartandrews4344]

Impressive! Rosenbauer never fails to impress.

[@windsorcorbin1005]

The proof will be how it's performance will be after running service calls because gremlins just love electrical systems but this is one beautiful piece of equipment I must say

[@paxundpeace9970]

Berlin used a similiar model of Firetruck with the same system and the tested it in real life. It worked. The biggest issue was the charging station not working. Now the truck is at Rosenbauer for extensive analysis ...

[@Ichqwertzu]

To add onto what pax und peace said: This truck is basically the same one that was tested in Berlin, just adapted to the american market. During the 13 month testing period they responded to 1600 calls, driving 14000km (8700mi) in the process. Out of those calls over 95% were handled completely electric! And even though they had some problems charging it at first (partly due to the charging station, but there also was a bad software update at some point), it never went out of service. Overall the Berlin Fireservice was very happy with the performance and they want to purchase more of them. Its obviously impossible to say how it will perform after 10+ years of service, but it does look very promising. Especiallys considering that this was a prototype, so some kinks were to be expected.

[@kilodeltaeight]

I honestly expect it will perform very well, given the results in Berlin, and where it’s being used in LA makes perfect sense: at the foot of the Hollywood Hills in Little Armenia. Even the flat, straight roads there are either incredibly narrow and tight or so congested a typical American truck struggles to get through. Once you’re in the hills, the extreme grades and curves flat-out exclude any American-normal truck or engine on size alone, much less on engine power to haul 500-1000 gallons of water up there. Electric traction is going to be revolutionary there. I’m not worried about charging either. Cali and LA have long led the country and arguably world in charging infra for electric cars. If the stations DCFC fails, there are numerous other DCFC chargers within a mile or three, including several owned directly by the city. Indeed, many blocks in the Hollywood area have 1-2 city-owned Level 2 chargers mounted on power poles, meaning the truck could even plug in while on-scene at some incidents, if they wanted.

[@johnhill4964]

@@paxundpeace9970 The charging station problem was at one fire house, had nothing to do with the rig. Berlin's stats said the rig ran 90% battery only on runs. They were hoping for 80%.

[@capuckett545]

The water tank has already ruptured.

[@davidgreenwood6385]

Did I miss where the SCBA is kept???

[@nmak]

Looks like mounted on a slide-out at 6:26. Perhaps also stored below seats in the cab.

[@paxundpeace9970]

LA is operating a clean cab. So no SCBA in the seats.

[@oscarosullivan4513]

over here if we had stagnated Firefighters would still be turning up in Engines with pumps controlled on either side, slopped back with escape ladders and firefighters wearing modern tunics and trousers but Cromwell county cork helmets potentially high plummed and in black.

[@oscarosullivan4513]

Dublin that is the real Dublin from 988 AD keeps theirs in the seat.

[@richardpoitras3472]

how does it operate in winter climat?

[@brandons2411]

it's la, they really don't have a "winter climate" lol

[@SMT]

Very nice Fire Truck. Greetings from Stuttgart (Germany)

[@FPCCEM]

What does "2 hours of operation" mean? How is that measured? How long can it pump on battery alone, or what is the pump capacity on battery alone?

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

60 to 90 minutes pumping on battery alone

[@oscarosullivan4513]

At least you could always plug it in to a street charger

[@nickluther263]

Is there a reason why the frame has a noticeable flex where all the weight is?

[@jphanks]

I noticed the Clark County Engine have serious balance issues on turns. The COG seems way off

[@MrJimheeren]

@@jphanksany idea how heavy those batteries are. These trucks probably have the best road balance on any ICE truck around

[@viktor7712]

Firetrucks are awesome

[@FirefightersSochi]

Wow! Very interesting fire engine, I did not expect electric fire engines to appear so quickly. The future is here today, thanks to the Rosenbauer team. It will be interesting to see how she performs in real-life firefighting for years to come 🚒

[@AB-ez4rm]

Such an environmental hazard this thing is.

[@rearspeaker6364]

@@AB-ez4rm we know it's guaranteed to catch FIRE!!!

[@emmata98]

@@AB-ez4rm why? Also bc throwing over half of your energy in your tank away is also wastefull and esp with the bad US-exhaust norms, the bigger environmental hazard are the ICE's used in the diesel-fire-trucks

[@jackjohnson6230]

​@@emmata98 did you listen to the video If the battery gets to 20 % a diesel generator kicks in to charge the battery Not so green Also the battery only lasts 3 hours pumping water so if the fire fighters are at a huge fire that takes hours to put out the diesel generator will be running most of the time again not so green

[@mhiebendaal3836]

3ft of water? Are all batteries secured and out of water?

[@Adelaide_Transit]

Glad to see an American truck with a High pressure attack line. They get used for everything here in Australia, initial attack on a structure fire to mop up for a brush fire.

[@MrRCGNL]

In NL they're standard for 40+ years

[@johnlikesfootball]

Didn’t this truck have a massive leak in the pump shortly after being put in service???

[@oscarosullivan4513]

I believe at fault of the users

[@KevinSmith-qi5yn]

I would worry about using a Lithium NMC battery on a fire truck considering the fire risk, especially when exposed to an area with a heightened temperature. The risk of a fire increases further when the battery is charging, like when the range extender is on. I couldn't find documentation on the chemical makeup of the battery, but it seems these are sourced from Volvo Penta which uses Samsung SDI prismatic cells.

[@toddpacker7058]

Thanks dad.

[@cmiller46]

The firetruck isn't actually in the fire...

[@theyearwas1473]

I don't know what fire department you've been at, but I've never been at one where we park the engine on top of the fire. Safe distancing and placement is always a pre-plan. I mean unless you're on some crazy rodeo cowboy department that you pulled the fire engine in through half the house that's on fire to get the water as close as possible. The rest of us have these things called hoses that reach quite a distance and if we need more guess what, we have more and can get more.

[@KevinSmith-qi5yn]

Issue with Lithium NMC batteries and should be worrisome in areas at heightened temperatures: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKLLd3SpjN13eLs

[@daltonx6177]

Yeah, you should really contact Rosenbauer about that, I'm sure they completely forgot about the implications of the lithium safety risks ! 🤣

[@haroldcashion7942]

So, if you have to run a diesel back up, why not just have a diesel motor with bigger fuel tanks?

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

you don't have to run it, it's just a backup for the rare but possible case of long lasting incidents or super busy shifts. It just doesn't make sense to run a diesel on 100% of the calls

[@arlanc8215]

Oh great, they’re bringing the ice cream trucks to the US now. Looks and jokes aside, I’ll always be against the digitalization of fire apparatus. Perfect example, one of the local stations has a quint which practically runs off an onboard computer. Its in the shop frequently, at one point last year spending several days a month in the shop over the course of four months, its cost them thousands. Meanwhile, you’ve got workhorses from the 90s to early 2000s running the show for our county’s fire protection, thats not to say these rigs don’t fail, they do, but it’s mostly due to age, not poor manufacturing. how well is this thing going to be running in 20 to 30 years? Im not against change or progression, but from what I’ve seen, these computers on wheels lead to large bills, and lack luster performance.

[@fbm314]

I’m a fan of traditional designs but also understand the need for progression. But I agree fully I can’t ever see pump controls being fully electronic/digital.that’s just a recipe for disaster

[@paxundpeace9970]

We can only judge about it when we do a few years with and professional fire fighting departments replace the Engine every 10 or 12 years like they do it in New York the oldest spare engine is from 2002 regular Reserve engines are from 2008 or 2009

[@LakesRegionEmergencyPhoto]

I hate the computerization of vehicles, and it makes me even more annoyed that electric vehicles COULD HAVE had LESS computers in them, but no, here we are. That is why I am looking forward to seeing the E-One Vector. It still has the standard pump controls.

[@alexanderkupke920]

Can only chime in on this from a European perspective, you see those pump controls as standard on vehicles 20 years and older without widespread issues, so seems to be reliable enough.

[@angelr.ricado3647]

They need to make money somehow. So they will probably get a 10 year life span and spend $$$$ more. Same way cars can be built to last for decades but now they last about 5 years. It’s just alll about $$$$

[@LuisLopez-ht7mk]

Did they space the air bags away from the chassis so they do not tear every 18 months like the 2012 models would.

[@glennjohnston2267]

This truly looks like a game changer.

[@Americafirst-i8q]

This is truly a disaster

[@pacificcoastfireapparatus8284]

@@Americafirst-i8q it’s ok e-one got us covered at least look wise

[@mhiebendaal3836]

Additional batteries allow for the recharge?

[@MrJimheeren]

No a small diesel engine. Just to reload the batteries in case that’s needed

[@ethanperry569]

We got a brand new Pierce about 2 years ago and I think 80% of the electrical system has had some kind of failure so far. I can just imagine the frustration when you have a structure fire 5 miles away and your “mirrors” won’t turn on.

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

mirror cams are definetly proven already ... they are used on so many modern commercial trucks. Trucks which might cover more distance in a single month than fire apparatus do in their lifetime. There's not really a problem with them ...

[@jamesgizasson]

Brace yourself. They're going to 'modernize' everything, whether it's more reliable or not. God, I'm going to miss toggle switches and crank windows!

[@mrwonderful2142]

I won't even touch a vehicle that's made post Y2K

[@TomManning-cs4el]

😂😂😂😂I am sure you got to the store

[@Joffboff-do1nn]

This is a German truck. not some 1950 US electronics... Europe is way ahead in som many ways when it coms to trucks.

[@jeffdittrich6778]

With those lithium batteries you get to bring the fire right into the fire house. Convenient. Why not just run it on diesel?

[@emmata98]

No, since typically you don't park your engine inside the fire, but at a safe distance^^ Running it el. is way more effecient, you have to do less maintanence, it is cheaper operating otherwise ("fuel"-cost), it is almost completely silent (better for the crew) and features like the independent steering of all 4 wheels are way easier to implement. Together with good right to repair laws (would benifit everyone), and the range extender for those long cathastrophies and multiple day-long other emergencies, it is just better than the outdated approach to run it on diesel.

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

as if diesel powered fire trucks never started a fire at the fire house ...

[@sandan500]

As a mechanic who has worked on many firetrucks to include diesel and gasoline I am sure the firefighters will love it because they love bells and whistles on shiny things. There is just more to go wrong with this and I am sure it is much more expensive to buy and maintain. More money than brains come to mind.

[@stevengunter4990]

Its more expensive because its electric, but if you compare apples to apples than a standard european firetruck is cheaper than an american one......

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

maintenance costs are kept low due to low downtime and few visits at the repair shop. Less wear and tear ...

[@Dave-dm7vt]

Great looking truck, but I have one question: What is the point of having headsets with an electric truck?

[@oscarosullivan4513]

Sirens

[@CDB8939]

Because they have always had them. It looks like they took them off the Engine that there 30 years ago

[@emmata98]

bc the US still uses them, while in Europe we don't for quite some time.

[@TheDexterFishbourne]

I can see the "adjustable suspension" putting the unit out of service often, as well as the pump by wire "feature"

[@Knallteute]

Nah dude Air suspension is a standart feature of comercial trucks so its dependable.

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

not a problem at all; Was running at the busiest stations in Berlin already, had less downtime at the repair shop than an ordinary diesel powered fire truck (which btw doesn't have air suspension)

[@SGWChaosteam]

@@EnjoyFirefighting And as a german firefighter i can confirm that this truck was ideal for Berlin. They have a really high callout volume and even higher percentage of urban building fires compared to other big german cities. They also are, with Frankfurt am Main, a city which has a similar system as US Departments, with smaller but therefore significantly more stations all over Berlin. While other german career departments often have big stations with a lot of trucks and personel using the "Löschzug"-Tactic (2 trucks, 1 ladder and a small truck with incident commander and digital workspaces), they also now try to use the "single-truck"-tactic, sending only one truck with a low rank officer. For this tactic the Rosenbauer is the right truck. And on big fires it´s supported by the "Löschzug". The Berlin´ers loved it, evem though german firefighters are sometimes as traditional and conservatives as the americans. We have a big fight over new helmets too. Ours are not leather but WW2-era steel-helmets, which are going to be replaced by newer, lighter and modular helmets. Kinda the MICH Low-Cut helmet in a fire version. The older guys hate them and don´t want to replace their old ones.^^

[@comptegoogle511]

How hard would it be to have a water edge cutter nozzle running with a permanent magnet motor to cut door hinges and drywalls since the truck have so much juice available?

[@sharonbraselton3135]

That's red iceberg het drkvevuou OK vet t

[@Max-cg5fp]

Impossible, as magnet motors are not functional in reality.

[@Micsmit_45]

Something I've noticed with almost all American tricks is just how empty they are. Even this thing still has a lot of room left for stuff. Just comparing that to both our trucks, which hold a lot more gear it's baffling how empty American tricks are. for example: our main fire truck has 1800+ feet of hose on board, 2000L of water, one fixed pump, one portable pump, a portable generator, a fixed light mast plus two portable ones, a Ventilator, two ladders, four pumping hoses (larger and stiff to take water from lakes etc.), A small electric pump to clear basements, a plethora of normal tools, two rescue boards, four additional SCBA bottles, a sweeper set, 6x10l canisters of foaming agent, 6x10l canisters of oil binder, a medical bag, one pre-connect, two loops, two additional smaller nozzles plus one larger nozzle, a Monitor, and plenty more which I'm probably forgetting right now.

[@theyearwas1473]

That sounds pretty standard for every American fire dept I've seen.

[@Micsmit_45]

@@theyearwas1473 if that's the case then why not use smaller, more compact trucks? What's the benefit of using huge ass Trucks with loads and loads of empty space?

[@sterlingodeaghaidh5086]

Question, is there a way to make this new tech be available on the older style trucks? I dont mind the euro look but kinda would love to see also the EV technology on something more traditional.

[@snowshoe3274]

the only reason the truck looks like it does, is because it's based on the european RT truck. I'm sure they would also be able to build a more american looking truck, like they do with the rest of their lineup.

[@emmata98]

I mean older doesn't mean better, so changing the tradition is better, if the new design is objectively better

[@walther007]

How long do the batteries last and what are the cost of replacement?

[@doktorjohn5276]

WoW - that was amazing to see that you finally installed a high pressure booster reel. You should have done that years ago. What a fantastic truck you got there. I hope you will have many more if this type in the future. In Europe I don't think that any fire department has an electric truck yet. Good job.

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

"In Europe I don't think that any fire department has an electric truck yet." they do. They were the ones testing this truck before it went into serial production. By now the first department even has replaced its entire fleet of front line Engines with that electric truck.

[@sadlersquad]

After riding around in a Pierce Arrow XT for the past 5 years, this truck looks like a breath of fresh air. Congrats to LA.

[@Americafirst-i8q]

Oh really you really think that this is the solution to the problem you see if one stopped voting for the Democrats one would need these electric vehicles

[@sadlersquad]

@@Americafirst-i8q Never said it was the solution to anything. I just thought it was a cool rig. Anytime a department gets a new truck it’s suppose to be a good time. Fuck all the politics.

[@CaptainRon13]

As someone who has held 3 “working” ranks in the fire service, I think this engine has potential. Change is good , if we’re improving delivery. But, with fire fighting, sometime the simple things are the best things. My experience has taught me that electricity and water don’t always play well together. For me, an electronically controlled discharge valve is a red flag. I always liked my driver’s to be engineers, not a chauffeur. What’s the GVW of that rig? Might play havoc on the roadways.

[@emmata98]

electronically controlled only means that there is an electric controller controlling the valves, the valves themself could be pneumatic, like they are on todays engine with such automations. Also with todays tech you can have way more than good enough seals to make it safe. Like you also protect electronics from the rain etc succesfully. The European RT version has a maximum gvm of 18 (metric) tons, which is standard for bigger engines (15 or 18 t are the 2 common classes for the chassis). So half of what normal semis are allowed to have (40 to 44 tons), so perfectly fine for roadways.

[@davidbryant2872]

Interested in the hybrid design. The LAFD said they were pleased to be reducing the Diesel emissions to zero, but they aren't really accomplishing that. It isn't unlikely that the equipment will be needed for the stated 2 hour battery capacity, at which point the Diesel "range extender" kicks in. So, how do the emissions from the range extender compare with a conventional truck's Diesel engine during such extended operations? Are the emissions standards for large truck engines (if there are any) actually stricter than for the range extender? Is anything special done to minimize the Diesel exhaust from the range extender so that it does not cause the same sort of exposure to fire crews that the LAPD said they are trying to reduce with this gear?

[@brianb-p6586]

The standard applied would be the same regardless of whether the truck is conventional or series hybrid. Heavy trucks do have emissions standards (the increasingly demanding standards drove Caterpillar right out of the over-the-road engine market) but they are not more strict than for lighter vehicles. The BMW engine used will be no worse (and likely better) than a traditional engine. I assume that operation beyond the battery capacity is so rare that diesel emissions will be very small compared to conventional operation.

[@markdejong2309]

The emissions are actually a lot lower, since it uses an diesel engine from an BMW SUV, and it powers the generator and not the pump or the engine, so it runs at an constant low RPM. The Rosenbauer RTX is already in use at the fire departments of Berlin, Amsterdam and Vienna, and especially in Berlin they used it at several large incidents and even when the range extender kicks in, it's incredibly silent, which ensures an much calmer incident site. And as Brian said, operation beyond battery capacity is rare. Let's also not forget that this is an prototype vehicle. An operational prototype, but still an prototype which they will improve.

[@paxundpeace9970]

Those modes are rarely used based on experience from Berlin.

[@TonkaFire2019]

Me patiently waiting for Californias rolling brown outs and these trucks can’t charge! Pierce Volterra i believe is a better option. I live in a rural area and some calls have gone over 12 hours and trucks had to be refueled before returning to their stations.

[@brianb-p6586]

@@TonkaFire2019 the Rosenbauer RTX and the Pierce Volterra work the same way, although the RTX is a series hybrid and the Volterra is a power-split hybrid. In either case they are fully functional on battery power, and equally functional on diesel when the battery runs low.

[@nicholasdoura4371]

What's is the advantage, sorry it's not for emergency services

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

that you don't need to waste diesel on every single call even if it's nothing more than a false alarm, medical call or technical assistance / rescue. It can go all electric on most of its calls. And yes, electric fire apparatus can have a big advantage besides that: you can drive inside buildings without any need to worry about how to get exhaust fumes out. You can also drive into a smoke filled tunnel

[@oscarosullivan4513]

over here if we had stagnated Firefighters would still be turning up in Engines with pumps controlled on either side, slopped back with escape ladders and firefighters wearing modern tunics and trousers but Cromwell county cork helmets potentially high plummed and in black.

[@olsonspeed]

Good to see innovation in Emergency Services, tradition should never trump operational improvement.

[@sharonbraselton3135]

Yesvut should

[@olsonspeed]

@@sharonbraselton3135 "Safety First" aesthetics and tradition are not prime considerations.

[@oscarosullivan4513]

Agreed Olson over here if we had stagnated Firefighters would still be turning up in Engines with pumps controlled on either side, slopped back with escape ladders and firefighters wearing modern tunics and trousers but Cromwell county cork helmets potentially high plummed and in black.

[@karlscribner3838]

Lots of toys, how many big cities are in for the extra $$ for the big screen. How's it word in the -23 windchill we had in Michigan last week?

[@finn7750]

Why would the weather be a problem for it?

[@Hellivaguy]

Did I miss where the ground ladders are stored?

[@chei86]

Apparently you did. They’re in the back.

[@Hellivaguy]

@@chei86 Thank you, rewatched it and did find what looks like a single ladder compartment.

[@solarissv777]

@@Hellivaguy there seems to be 2 ladder comparments: one (lower) for a single ladder, and one (upper) big enough for at least two ladders.

[@acropolis4032]

Micsmit_45: Interesting comments regarding on-board equipment. I was thinking similar thoughts. What is your Deptartment, i.e. country, city, urban/ suburban/ rural, paid / volunteer/ mix thereof? Is your expansive load out common or are you a specialized unit? Are all your firefighters EMT or your equivalent?

[@soup5344]

This is being rolled out by the LAFD, more specifically this is first being sent to Station 82 in Hollywood, so almost entirely city and urban. The department budget in 2019 was $691M which is pretty expected of such a large city. I imagine since it's being sent to a station in Hollywood, expensive equipment is a little more common. From what I can see, all firefighters in the department are taught basic life support and evaluating patients for transport but I don't know the specifics of their training.

[@lilreb601]

The booster line pumps 100 gpm @ 600psi?

[@limwiching2277]

high pressure water pump, very common in asia, very use full using high pressure water force + form for to put down vehicles fire.

[@thisissparta789789]

@@limwiching2277 And in Europe. Very high pressure is common in firefighting outside of the US.

[@xshowda]

@@thisissparta789789 Actually, the 600 psi line is only called "High pressure", very high pressure is called "Ultra High Pressure System" (you can watch videos of it from Rosenbauer here on youtube) which operates at 1450 psi

[@justinleblanc1374]

The pump is ran on electric? Or did I miss something?

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

yes it is running on battery power

[@yonisamber8169]

I expected to see blue flashing lights and a hi-lo siren!

[@emmata98]

that was on earlier prototypes shipped from the EU :D

[@jurgenkuhlmann9194]

Awfully sorry! From now on it's "Tatütata in the USA"! All the best!

[@Anonymous551656]

The blue lights would be an upgrade. The hi-lo, not so much.

[@oscarosullivan4513]

@@Anonymous551656 At least they have a rhythm

[@h2ovilleed]

This is pretty awesome

[@viperq]

I like the designed, time will tell if this is worth it.

[@benjamin3615]

It's not. Water tank already ruptured and failed during acceptance testing, lol.

[@sharonbraselton3135]

Yes uts buy kne

[@emmata98]

@@benjamin3615 the European version succeded with a 1 year test running as a normal engine in the Berlin FD and the acceptance testing etc. So not an EV-issue ;)

[@finn7750]

​@@benjamin3615I heard it was human error 👀

[@trfmusic902]

This is definitely the coolest fire truck. Other than the Panther.

[@bell4289]

Definitely state of the art!!! Beautiful rig! Failed to mention the cost??? I’m sure local tax payers would be thrilled to know!

[@amboyfirebuff409]

1 million.

[@mfd78]

And subtract the cost of the fuel (currently at $6 or 7 per gallon)over the vehicles lifetime. Also subtract the associated costs that electric vehicles have none or very little of including oil, oil changes, engine cooling systems, drive transmission or maintenance, exhaust system, regen system and station exhaust mitigation. Yes, the backup generator will need service but that is more on the scale of small engine repair.

[@SpecterSeventy2]

@@amboyfirebuff409 I’d be shocked (pun intended?) if it was “just one million”.

[@amboyfirebuff409]

@@SpecterSeventy2 its like 1.2 million

[@SpecterSeventy2]

@@amboyfirebuff409I believe that … but I bet that’s not for the model we see here and only for the most basic model build available.

[@sfsgaming7831]

Can't wait to see the response videos of this

[@mrfirefighter360]

What happens if the electronic components fail while firefighters are conducting interior attack? 🤔

[@Jimmythefish577]

You do know pretty much every new fire truck now runs on electronic controllers and most pump panels are digital now, no matter the manufacturer right?

[@OfficerYeknom]

What happens when the diesel power engine throws a rod into orbit during interior attack? You call evac, transition to the next engine on scene, and keep doing your job. Any real firefighter has trained for this and knows its the same as if any major equipment fails.

[@JD-ig5vr]

Interesting ; It seems that all the features shown were well thought out and executed , however I still fail to see the practicality of having an electric fire truck. His main concern seemed to be the noise that a traditional fire truck makes and how it affects the fireman's hearing . Earplugs anyone ? , what about the noise from the raging inferno along with roof collapse, shattering windows , explosions , walls collapsing ? ? Does not sound very practical if it has to remain working at a warehouse fire for two or three days , how much diesel are you going to burn up recharging those batteries ? How long are those batteries expected to last under heavy use and how much to replace. Overall impressive layout and features congrats on bringing it to life .

[@emmata98]

the loudest things on a structure fire are typically the ICE's running, and every significant noise you can reduce (or here almost ellimiate) is a very good thing. Esp since explosions and collapses are way more rare and don't happen constantly for the hours of time you are on a big emergency, where you have those big incidents. It is more effecient to charge the batteries Dieselelectric than just use the ICE directly in a drivetrain, so negligeable (it's a (for US-standards) small car diesel engine optimised to use in the generator setup), and with very good numbers coming from the Berlin FD (over 95 % in their 1 year test as a normal engine, of all emergencies were fully electric, without the generator running at all) it is only needed in the rare cases, and even then at a later phase or on the drive back to the station. Also you don't work the truck 100% through those times, so the generator will shut off (even under full load btw), so it will be silent again, and will not be audible constantly like ICE-trucks. This is a right to repair thing mostly, but it should be over 10 years. Otherwise you can go 60 to 90 minutes of full pump use (which is unrealistically high of a load) before you reach the 20 % mark, where the generator starts.

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

at most fire scenes it won't be a fully involved structure fire with parts of the building collapsing.

[@ricklee4220]

looking forward to seeing what my city will do with electric vehicles

[@allans7281]

What’s amazing about that every feature is a human thought

[@josephbennett3482]

You guys should've went one step further since it's an electric vehicle you should've put solar panels in the rooftop so the vehicle can charge when it's out and about running calls and navigating the streets especially for Los Angeles with how big that place is the traffic would be a big issue for the vehicle.

[@matthewhaverkamp8657]

Would not generate enough power to do much of anything.

[@mfd78]

These charge at 480v in the station. As Matthew stated, a couple of solar panels would power the computer and that’s it.

[@ryanburbridge]

Solar panels are absolute garbage… Soo why?

[@oscarosullivan4513]

Also they could use street chargers

[@hawaiiboylasvegas8342]

Beautiful!

[@iankern1011]

I like the idea, but as a county guy, the infrastructure to charge this isn’t there, and I also am not a fan of the mirror replacement. as a techy guy, I am also bittersweet about the digitalization, mainly the giant screens in the center console. I also am entertained by the concept of hacking vehicles “watch dogs” style. But I do like the locomotive approach to the range extender. I almost feel though that the battery range needs to be extended because it seems that if you aren’t careful, you could be dead in the water on scene

[@TheDutchGuy27]

You don't have electricity at the fire stations in the countryside? That would indeed be a problem for the charging infrastructure needed for all fire engines of the future

[@jamesgizasson]

@@TheDutchGuy27 When there's a major disaster, the power often goes out. Especially in rural areas. The whole point of emergency response is to be able to handle emergencies. Which means being prepared for things like power outages. :3

[@evanputterill8286]

@@jamesgizasson that is why it has a diesel generator on it which can charge the batteries and power the drive train and 100% of all features after it runs out of battery.

[@jamesgizasson]

@@evanputterill8286 And a diesel truck can do all of that, plus NOT lug around the batteries. I'm not sold. But, I'm oldschool... I like things simple, even if they aren't always better. :3

[@tykeup4662]

Most fire stations have generators to so in a crisis where power is out somewhere is bound to have a working generator.

[@ntmeangreen]

That's the happiest little firetruck I've ever seen! I'm sure it will be a big hit at the PRIDE parade this year!

[@thenussbaum44]

They have a great modern truck with wooden ladders LOL.

[@greek7737]

wooden ladders are used for electrical situations, it's not a money thing.

[@thenussbaum44]

@@greek7737 They are the only ones who use them in the world that I know of.

[@thanojon1]

@@thenussbaum44 incorrect. San Francisco also uses wooden ladders. It's not just a tradition thing but they prefer them due to the enormous amount of electrical lines that cast over city areas / neighborhoods like spider webs.

[@greek7737]

@@thenussbaum44 no almost every single fire company has a ground ladder, just los angeles city fire and los angeles county fire put them on the outside of their trucks so they are easier to get out, los angeles ofcourse has a lot more electrical issues then most cities in the US.

[@thenussbaum44]

@@thanojon1 So you found one more department that does it. Those cities aren't much different than any other major city in this country and abroad with electrical hazards. I care less if they choose to do it I just made a statement pretty archaic.

[@michaelgolliher888]

Question what happens if the on board computer fails in middle of a operation

[@TheDutchGuy27]

Question what happens if the internal combustion engine fails in middle of operation

[@cmiller46]

Well, seeing as how internal combustion engines have been around 150 years or so... I can't say that I've ever heard of a software update breaking one either.

[@TheDutchGuy27]

@@cmiller46 You do know electric motors are older than the internal combustion engine by, say, 30 years? And way fewer moving parts thus more reliable. As for the software part, go take a look at your local car shop and count al the software issues in modern vehicles.

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

@@cmiller46 I've heard of modern diesel powered trucks breaking down due to software issues. Either the truck itself, or the pump with all its software

[@emmata98]

that's like asking what happens, when the ICE is broken on an older engine, and the answer is you have dead truck, which succs, but it's the same for every drievetrain

[@user-ie6jr4bg1w]

Finally a more European style fire truck, much more efficient!

[@davidrogers6287]

Price?

[@Navs126]

1 billion dollars

[@emmata98]

Ask Rosenbauer ;)

[@mikeschulte4271]

Wow that was one of the most souped up fire trucks I have ever seen

[@fdMT_EnGy]

What type of batteries are used to power this truck? Is there way to manually operate the pump in the event of an issue with the computer system?

[@solarissv777]

On videos of the European version, there was access to manual valves from the rear left storage compartment, however, don't see anything similar here.

[@doktorjohn5276]

How can't they have forgotten the 2 X 100m high pressure hoses. They could put out many small fires in seconds after ariving at the scene. Almost all Scania Rosenbauer vehicles has these also called "side hoses".

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

that has nothing to do with Scanias

[@doktorjohn5276]

I know - our Man fire truck also have these 2 X high pressure hoses. I think just about all european fire truck has these high pressure hoses. Minor fires are put out in seconds.

[@Commissar0617]

we don't use those in the US. there's the booster for small fires, and then we have 1 3/4 for attack like, and 2 1/2" for big water. plud 5" supply and 6" suction. generally around 100-150 psi (6.5-8 bar)

[@redwolf3040]

What about scene lighting

[@101scorpions]

Very nice. The engine looks similar to Japanese and some European fire trucks.

[@MrRCGNL]

It sure looks "un-american"

[@bloodravensterminator8594]

@@MrRCGNL well they are a German company iirc

[@oscarosullivan4513]

Anybody using the term un anything is bound to be small minded.

[@CDB8939]

@@bloodravensterminator8594 Austrian Company

[@DIGGER19860]

Who is gonna put the battery fire out(trick question you cant put a lithium battery fire out) if the fire truck is on fire

[@emmata98]

just like with the rare occastion when an ICE-truck burns, the FD. There are multiple. And you can put it out, it just takes a while, and you have follow up reactions (that are not fires), that you need to beware of for a day. Nothing huge.

[@mfd78]

Tour of electric fire engine ends with the sound of a diesel starting up! 👍

[@Vwkarman2]

The sounds of the electric motor was playing the whole video.

[@sharonbraselton3135]

Hybride.

[@reese755]

Beautiful rig, I wish we could get one down in South Mississippi. But I t might take 20 years to get one

[@ryanhobbs3362]

Almost more of a hybrid when it comes to the life of the charge with the onboard generator to refill the batteries. Interesting concept.

[@matthewgreener7069]

It has a diesel engine on it

[@socal33]

Mixing water and batteries. Sounds like a good idea to me!

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

no problem at all

[@drumset09]

That's great. What about thermal runaway? Those are some massive batteries, would probably burn for weeks.

[@Rafmeistr]

Weeks? Also, people seem to be forgetting that cars and trucks drive around with flammable liquids that explode when heated or ignited lmao. As far as i know a thermal runaway will gradually develop into something dangerous if its noticed in time, giving people a better chance is escaping, compared to say a leaking fuel system that catches fire. Managing an energy source is always a design challenge, whether it be battery or gas or liquid. People just have a weird attitude towards batteries it feels like

[@FPSBurns]

So the vehicle has 10 inches of clearance while driving and the batteries are on the bottom of the rig. My department would total it in a week driving on the roads in town just hitting potholes.

[@emmata98]

no, only when parked in low mode. The driving mode has 11 to 14 inches (just watch the video completely), which is way enough to drive over curbs and stuff

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

in can lift itself up to a ground clearance of 18.5 inches. That should be more than sufficient also for your roads and potholes

[@FPSBurns]

@@EnjoyFirefighting our current rigs are 20+ clearance and there are still some roads that we can’t drive due to how steeply they meet connecting roads. And our ladder is even more limited. I’d love to try it and see if it can get onto some of the roads we have

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

@@FPSBurns when 20 inches of ground clearance aren't enough, then it's either an offroad trail or piss poor planing; I mean no normal car has that much ground clearance, how are they supposed to drive there? This truck is designed for municipal use, and at least here, even in the places with extremly hilly terrain, you can expect roads to be built to suit any normal car, van and fire truck. That truck was designed in Austria, a country known to be very mountainious. It was tested in Norway, again a very mountainious country.

[@FPSBurns]

@@EnjoyFirefighting it is poor road planning and infrastructure that hasn’t been maintained. It’s just the reality of my town. Normal passenger will scrape because the intersection will be 1 flat road and a side road that is immediately steep. EMS also has difficulty getting ambulances up certain roads.