Lag Testing Retro Scalers

[@ToddsNerdCave]

Great video Bob! Look forward to your video on the GBS Control setup. I have the hardware, but just haven't got around to setting it up. I should do that.

[@RetroGamerBB]

I did mine with a pi and raspian but this method might be easier

[@patjohnny57]

Great video Bob. I’m still happy with my framemeister but it was nice seeing what’s out there. I’ll probably keep it until the ossc pro comes out.

[@RetroGameHuntersRGHDudes]

you deserve wayyyyy more views. These videos are so precise and informative.

[@RetroRGB]

Thank you!

[@dbnpoldermans4120]

This is a very important video. Thank you. I will be revisiting this video in the future as well. I currently do not use any processing. Everything is connected with their best output/cables. But that might change, as long as it's lag free. Also chapterized all the sections in the description. Also saying you were wrong, that takes a man. And you just did not know, no problem. Again thanks for all the testing, I hope you can test new scalers as they become available.

[@ArtemioUrbina]

Excellent work as always my friend, kudos!

[@MrPete1985]

That's one creepy Joker laugh

[@o1phoenix79]

Great description 😆

[@KyleFalconer1]

contagious laughter for sure :D

[@SavetheMachine]

Fantastic job, man. So glad to see this and how you laid everything out. It's nice to have a reference video when discussing this with others.

[@patrickworking3065]

Knocking it out of the park as always. Thanks for all the work you do Bob!

[@dionr1168]

As a proud owner of both the Retrotink 2x Classic and the Retrotink 2x Pro, I'm proud to say that this was a combined $220 well spent!

[@RedArremer]

Hey Bob, is there a schematic of that sync combiner Ste did for you? That would be great to document and archive for people designing PCBs. Great video by the way!

[@choco_easty]

agree! really interested in this cable! thanks!

[@OOOAAAIII]

Assume it's this one! www.retrorgb.com/building-a-passive-sync-combiner.html

[@o1phoenix79]

I had to watch it twice to notice that everything fell down at 4:43 😆

[@arcadeperfectreviews2653]

I've used the HD Retrovision wires since the first batch released and I haven't looked back. Then again I game on a CRT with component in, but still they even helped me with a unique problem I had and the wires look and sound perfect.

[@silvershocknicktail6638]

I'm putting together a public games room. Wanting to use VGA flatscreens as I have to transport around 25 machines and fuuuuck bringing that many CRTs. Wanted some low-lag converters to give better signal than the shitty composite + old TV the previous games room was using. Your recent videos have turned me on to the existence of the custom firmware for GBS Control Scalers and I love it. Much cheaper, I can build it myself, and the lag/quality is more than acceptable for a public room. Thanks!

[@heilong108]

GBS-C on the come up!

[@BasementBrothers]

Great coverage. I keep the Framemeister around for video capture. Most capture devices don't play well with the OSSC.

[@RetroRGB]

The Framemeister is one of the best streaming solutions out there: It's compatible with everything! That's an excellent use for it.

[@stabinghobo57]

Framister is an awesome pice of tech.

[@anthonybuller]

One of your best videos. Keep it up RGBob!

[@SNBfilms]

Thanks for being thorough, Bob!

[@daniloberserk]

Are you saying that I finally play properly my old consoles without my CRT TV? I skipped Framemeister exactly because it adds one frame of lag! This is beautifull!

[@cheapergamer]

Great video Bob.... that laugh lol I wake up everyday and remember I own one of those Scart To HDMI boxes and I feel like a lesser person each time.

[@ncc1701p]

Great Video! I recently got my Lag Tester and I wanted to test some crappy pound cables. Can you provide a link or something on exactly you how tested that cable w/ a lag tester?

[@RetroRGB]

Thanks! I went over the full chain in the video, but the one custom thing was wiring RGBs to a multi-out, so I can connect the pound cable. You'd need the Time Sleuth, connected to an HDMI to VGA converter. Then into a sync combiner like the HD152SCART, or Extron RGB interfaces. Then wire RGBs from that to the multi-out port. Then connect the Pound cable and go from there.

[@soridosuneku]

At 7:10 I'm guessing the TV signals aren't a problem because you don't have to interact with it?

[@ethantaylor8306]

Good to know I made a good choice with buying a GBS with GBS Control for my Sega Genesis. Just need to finish putting together the cabinet that's housing everything.

[@pippin3430]

14:00 Yeah The Framemeister may be the king but the input lag especially in 480i (2 frames) may hurt the reputation of it. Hence I can see why the cheaper options have less or zero lag

[@anthonydotmoe]

Great analysis! I really appreciate the effort

[@alexandreandrade5365]

Forgive my ignorance, but I didn't get the top, middle and bottom part. Of course, the signal takes 0ms to be drawn on the top, but, on middle and bottom there's a significant difference. But in pratice, should we consider the top left reading only?

[@RetroRGB]

That's simply how long it takes a CRT to draw a full frame: 0 to start at the top left, 8ms at the middle-right (so 7ms at the middle-left) and then 16.5ms to get to the bottom right. Any numbers over that are lag added.

[@jamon1567]

Bob, was wondering if you've ever lag tested (or could in the future) whichever HD-SDI converter you've used on your BVM. For some reason I'm thinking I've read places (or even heard you talk about it here) that HD-SDI is a bit laggy. I have a D series BVM and plan on hooking my PS3 and Wii U up to it, but I was going to use component given that I understood HD-SDI to add lag. I'd be interested to see an actual measurement though if it's possible.

[@RetroRGB]

The one I tested was zero lag, but due to compatibility issues I normally just use component video, not HD-SDi. 720p is the only signal that ever worked reliably for me and 480p doesn't work at all.

[@jamon1567]

@@RetroRGB Interesting. Thanks for the reply!

[@laneelms8943]

Thanks so much for this video. Who makes the HDMI to Component DAC at about 3:34, and do they make a composite version, or have you seen an HDMI to composite converter that has no latency?

[@laneelms8943]

i think it is a portta? can you confirm?

[@turtlerespecter]

To test cables like the HD Retrovision, how did you plug them in to both the Time Sleuth *and* the monitor? The other end of the cable just plugs in to the console. I'm confused, but I want to understand!

[@RetroRGB]

I used the converters I showed at the beginning.

[@turtlerespecter]

@@RetroRGB In testing the snes levelhike cable - Is there a female end snes port to hdmi cable or something? That's the part I don't understand.

[@sumez4369]

Great coverage. Are you gonna cover those Hyperkin HDMI cables for various consoles that LRG among others are selling? I keep hearing people talking about buying them, but at the same time I've never heard anyone who knows what they are talking about even mentioning them, so to me it's hard to believe they can be trusted. But it would be really nice to actually have some hard evidence either way to back up a conversation.

[@RetroRGB]

Those cables are exactly the same as the ones I showed here. I've spoken to Josh from LRG about this and he doesn't care. Definitely avoid those at all costs.

[@sumez4369]

@@RetroRGB Thanks for specifying! I feel like there are way too few warnings about them out there, and way too many people who don't even delve into latency issues that just go official saying "these aren't great but completely fine", in youtube video and reddit posts or wherever else you see people talking about them :(

[@extremawesomazing]

This video tickles my nerd-bone. Thanks!

[@andreg3912]

Thank you, this video was really helpful.

[@iCach0]

lmao, my reaction to the AK scaler results was exactly the same X^D

[@Rotoid]

Just got my Hyperkin cable for PS1/2 and damn there's lag, tested on Crash Bandicoot 3, really hard to play. Too bad I cant find Rad2x cable for PS1 anywhere on the Internet. I would definitely buy it.

[@AceTrainerX3]

RetroGamingCables UK is one good seller. It's just the stock that's the problem.

[@DueM]

really curious about the component to hdmi converter i use for my wii now, great video thanks for doing the work and posting your results.

[@RetroRGB]

If it's just analog to digital conversion, it should be zero lag.

[@DueM]

@@RetroRGB oh cool thanks for the reply, yeah it's just a converter no upscaling or anything like that.

[@chrisw.2359]

Since you built a custom setup to test SNES, can you also test the Eon Super 64 and tell us how much it adds with and without slick mode?

[@charlessmith5188]

Are there reverse-scalers? I want to hook my TG Mini up to my RGB arcade monitor.

[@RetroRGB]

There's one box that can do what you need, but it's complicated. I'll have a video on that soon, but if you want more info now, check this out: shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=63226

[@chrisgoff3414]

Does anybody know the brand of the HDMI to Component converter used in the video? I don't see it listed on the amazon link and I am looking for one that I know is lagless

[@RetroRGB]

They're in my Amazon store link in the description, but they've been out of stock due to everything going on. I keep checking and will update that store link if another zero-lag one comes back in stock.

[@SpectraPrime]

I've been wanting to make my own upscaler for a while partially for fun and partially because i don't like any of the solutions I've seen, and i think it can be done with no more than a couple of scanlines of lag

[@enricofoglietta6274]

how can i convert hdmi or displayport for gaming? (low latency)

[@ethanevans8909]

Id like to see a video dedicated to the gbs control, or the extron dvs 304. Theyre super low cost stuff that doesn't seem to get a lot of attention

[@TobyRieper48]

Thanks for this Rob, great video. :) have you tested the kaico. Ps2 / ps1 HDMI? It's like.a.cable with a little aluminium box.

[@NervysMitnick]

I'm using an Xbox One to passthrough the OSSC HDMI signal. It seems to me that the sync time for resolution changes on OSSC improve a lot with it. Could you test it and confirm? Also, could you see how much lag does this solutions adds up to the OSSC? Thanks in advance.

[@alextirrellRI]

Is a sync combiner always necessary? When I was looking at getting a VGA to RGB cable for my MiSTer and PVM I was told rather than sync combine to just connect the grey cable. Not sure if that's just related to the MiSTer INI settings though.

[@RetroRGB]

In that scenario, you are 100% correct: The MiSTer will output RGBs, so if you have a 5BNC cable then you'd just not connect the 5th wire. For standard RGBHV (VGA) signals, yes, you would need a combiner.

[@JMLRetroRoom]

I use the Pound for OG Xbox combined with mClassic and take the 480p and it gets upscaled to 1080p. Seems okay to me with the supposed lag. I mean, I play Crazy Taxi 3 and do quite well in that game.. maybe I know how to adjust on the fly I guess 🤷🏻‍♂️. I’ve used lots of adapters and the only one that seemed bad to me was the PS2HDMI device. Now I did buy a custom Xbox HDMI Adapter from a FB mod group. I’d like to see if the lag is better on that. I don’t use it much because I’ve noticed slight (ever so slight) banding in the video capture.

[@RetroRGB]

That's different and your scenario is still probably zero lag. See, for consoles that are already 480p, the "HDMI Adapters" usually just convert analog to digital and it's almost always zero lag. The problem with most cheap converters is they hurt the signal a bit, either through interference or what you described. Still totally fine for someone on a budget though...just use it until you eventually get an HDMI mod or the Chimeric solution that I showed in my xbox video.

[@cablemodem]

I own both Framemeister and OSSC. I cannot get the OSSC to play nice with my old-ish plasma panel. So in the meantime, I'm trading a single frame of lag for a super clean looking signal that works on my TV. I can't tell the difference in lag. I'll re-compare both when I get a new TV.

[@TheBlueArcher]

I have the first version of leo bodnar's lag tester (the red one before it was called time sleuth). 240p output and microsecond display would be extremely useful. I wonder if there's a way to update the firmware...

[@Arek_1]

It didn't later get called the Time Sleuth. Those are two separate devices. For you and everyone else reading, the Leo Bodnar Lag Tester is an old device from Leo Bodnar. It comes in 720p OR 1080p models. The Time Sleuth was made by Dan Kunz and Christof last year. It can measure in a wide array of resolutions. Bob of RetroRGB reviewed the Time Sleuth while also comparing it to the device from Leo Bodnar. www.retrorgb.com/time-sleuth-lag-tester-review.html

[@mjc0961]

You have betrayed me this day, Framemiester. 😭 (on the plus side, I got one before all these other options were available, so I can't be too upset at myself)

[@mjc0961]

14:38 - Oh _now_ you tell me 😋

[@DeathToJihad]

I look forward to hearing more about that GBS! If its downscaling works through an HDMI adapter, it might be just the thing for playing those retro mini consoles like the SNES Classic on CRTs!

[@thecygnusserket]

Excellent video with hard evidence that is hard to refute. Still, be ready for the flat earther, I mean, lag denier comments to come pouring in.

[@nightwinn]

Here's one. Higher lag trains our precognition.

[@robbiej111]

Hey Bob! Is lag just as bad on 480p consoles (dreamcast, Xbox, ps2) when using hdmi pound cables?

[@AceTrainerX3]

If they actually do some scaling, then yes. Passthrough cables shouldn't add any major lag.

[@RetroRGB]

@Dominick Weiss is correct: If they just convert analog to digital, they SHOULD be fine, but if they scale the image, they'll probably be just as bad as the Pound.

[@DeathToJihad]

Even the ones that may not have lag have a washed out image. Don't buy them.

[@robbiej111]

@@RetroRGB Thanks for all your videos and for opening up a clear retro world 👀🌎

[@gamesdomeutempo2311]

The best cost-benefit is GBS Control !!!

[@MasterZebulin]

What about AV to HDMI?

[@RetroRGB]

The ones I've tested were all really bad. I think there's some "gaming editions" out there, but the ones I've tested were far worse than connecting composite directly to a flat-panel...which is almost as bad as it gets.

[@MasterZebulin]

@@RetroRGB Look, man. I just need a AV to HDMI converter that doesn't suck.

[@RetroRGB]

@@MasterZebulin One of these is what you're looking for: www.retrorgb.com/retrotink2x.html

[@SageOwl]

11 people just want you to play the fucking game.

[@gamesforyou2351]

See what i do is i have my rare 60 gig ps3 and i modded it so all my nes snes gb gbc gba sega ps1 ps2 and ps3 and psp games come out nice in hd. For my 3ds my ds n64 and mame. i just use my phone and cast it to the tv and use a bluetooth controller. I don't get any lag or button press lag. My old moto z2 force phone works great with my tv to not have that problem. I also use my ps3 to play my snes msu1 sound hacks as well. So with the 2 together i don't need to use my old systems. It also lets me save wear on my old systems as well. I have 2 ps1 system that should be dead by old faulty lasers but they work great because i don't use them. Plus with streaming or modding you can get up to 4k video on your tv something you can't really get with a converters and most if not all that can will have lots of input lag problems. This is why i thought of doing things differently and it has 100% paid off for me. Note not all tvs are great for casting some smart 4k tvs have problems with that. Aka Vizio lg and Samsung. Sony is normally ok never had a sony give me input lag.

[@RetroRGB]

You know there's a bunch of lag with software emulation, right?

[@gamesforyou2351]

@@RetroRGB i have no software lag with any of my emulators it runs great for me even my rom hacks run great haven't ran in to one game that failed me yet. I have ran around 16000 different games with no problem. I think it all comes down to knowing what emulators to use and whats the best phone to use. Moto z2 force witch is a old phone runs 1000 times better then the Samsung Galaxy s20 because of how there cores work. Samsung does wired things with there cores to were shit gos crazy but Motorola seems to have a very stable set of cores. And if you can't get what you want use the dev op on your phone to make it run 100 times better. As for tvs sony seems to have almost 0 if not 0 input lag were most all other brands do.

[@MegaFinalRound]

No HyperKin!?

[@RetroRGB]

It'll be somewhere between the Pound and LevelHike...so very bad.

[@nightwinn]

@@RetroRGB Pfff, more like Laghike.

[@12inch_monster]

don't think there's a video where bob doesn't mention lag

[@o1phoenix79]

I loved you laugh while you were testing the SCART to HDMI box. Great touch 😆

[@RetroRGB]

That was my legit response. 100% NOT intentional. Funny, right :)

[@o1phoenix79]

It was such a delightfully evil laugh that I couldn't help but laugh when I heard it 😆

[@boogiemanspud]

@@RetroRGB I've seen the hardcore neo geo crowd using this as a solution. I can't imagine playing Metal Slug on this.

[@laconictom6851]

That laugh comes from Figure It Out Productions. Bob, did you actually play the damn game during your testing.

[@theretronavigator]

Yo, that Kawhi Leonard laugh when you tested the SCART to HDMI. Beautiful, my brother.

[@Sirotaca]

For me, the most interesting result was the Framemeister. For years, people have been claiming all kinds of numbers ranging from 20-30ms, and that it has the same lag for both progressive and interlaced sources. Apparently before now no one had ever actually bothered to do proper lag testing on what was for a long time the most popular retro gaming upscaler.

[@Agamemnon2]

That's just a symptom of people deferring to perceived authority and blindly following them.

[@amoore2600]

Seeing the GBS-C in your review is freaking awesome! THE HYPE IS REAL!

[@methanoid]

I can't wait for Bob's full review :-)

[@dlang6487]

I'm a believer now as well!

[@RetroSho]

So what you're saying is that I should get a GBS Control Scaler before the inevitable price hike.

[@FARDEENKHANQWE123]

when do you think that will be though.. around october???

[@RetroSho]

boyke Wouldn’t know. Depending on what has been said a video might be around the corner for it. I’m sure the price would rise very soon after.

[@silvershocknicktail6638]

Given they're DIY projects from pretty common components, the price shouldn't be that bad if you just get the parts from China and make your own. Like I'm gonna ;-)

[@souljastation5463]

they mass produce them in China, I don't think the price will go up much.

[@officegossip]

@@souljastation5463 $400 on ebay.

[@joshmiller887]

That’s what I like about you Bob. You are never afraid to say you were wrong! Love all the information.

[@WrestlingWithGaming]

That laugh at 9:22 is the same one I make every time I open up my CD-I box.

[@pcm2fchris]

Dude, this guy's content is incredible. I knew nothing about retro gaming and after watching this guy for a few hours I feel like I've gotten damn near college credits. Distills things so well, nothing he says is unnecessary.

[@RetroRGB]

Thanks very much!!!

[@pcm2fchris]

@@RetroRGB Dude, I’ll shoot you $20 on your “donations” tab if you could link me to a Tv/monitor youd recommend for RetroTink Mini and NES, SNES and N64 that would have no latency. Gotta be under 14.5 inches tall and around $120 give or take (or cheaper if it made no difference.)

[@RetroRGB]

Well, no flat-panel will have "no latency". If you're looking for a small monitor, why not just pick up a 13" consumer-grade CRT with composite video inputs? It'll be much cheaper overall and the consoles you mentioned will look excellent. If you find one with S-Video inputs, you wouldn't even need a switch: SNES = S-Video N64 = Composite NES = RF

[@pcm2fchris]

@@RetroRGB You know, I’ve thought about just sticking w CRT like you say. Durabrand 13inchs are on ebay for like $100. See any problem with one of those?

[@RetroRGB]

I'd get one locally if possible, but ANY CRT that's not an "HD CRT" would be perfect to use for those consoles. If you use light guns, get one with a curved screen.

[@TooBokoo]

I bought the generic SCART to HDMI converter a few years back, despite knowing it was bad, just because I had to try it and it was worse than I could've imagined. I'm not someone who is critical of a tiny bit of lag either (I still love my Framemeister, despite owning an OSSC). But, that generic converter made games, absolutely, unplayable. I don't know how anyone could say that they enjoy using it!

[@DrLilo]

I've been building a GBS-control scaler this week, was happy to see it in the video :)

[@technozombie789]

I didn't even know that was a thing until this video. I need to that with mine

[@TanukiTakey]

I've used a scart to hdmi device because it was cheap and I played Super Metroid on it a bit. It was "playable" for me, but the lag was really really noticeable. I'm just an average gamer, no speed-running, etc. I love my retrotink 2x pro aside from the fact that my capture card has weird skipping with it. Excellent video, I've been waiting for this exact data for a long time just out of curiosity and glad to know the 2x pro doesn't supply additional latency.

[@TheCoolDave]

Would love to see a updated video on this subject.

[@RideRedRacer]

i keep telling people to not buy the framemeister because of the input lag but people argue with me telling me i cant feel the lag... its getting so old

[@DoctorPoo]

There was a time when Framemeister was a great option. Once OSSC matured, though, it outperformed FM in price and speed. No reason to go back now.

[@EricFraga]

Awesome as always Bob, this is the video about lag we all were waiting for. On thing to note: the HDMI input on HD Video Converter is not a passthru; it really digitizes the already digital HDMI signal (you can see the color saturation changes on the output, etc) adding those frames of lag you measured. Thanks again Bob!

[@gamesdomeutempo2311]

It's really cool to see the "Cosmic Effect" commenting here !!!

[@allenmitchell09]

I got a framemeister when it was basically the only game in town.

[@voltz15]

If they made this thing an interger line multiplyer within a boardered frame instead of a scaler, I would have pulled the trigger on getting one.

[@RetroGamerBB]

Loved that you covered the gbs with cfw at the end. That was my first line doubler and eventually line tripler. I had it set to 720p@60 into a cheap vga2hdmi. Very nice for a cheap setup. It doesn't do svideo tho so I switched to retired extron scan converters.

[@vrakula]

Great video. Still love my Framemeister. I don't notice any lag in real life gaming.

[@jmarkrof]

Conclusion Product avg Lag (ms) RetroTINK2x SCART (same as RAD2x) 0 OSSC 0 Framemeister 18(480p)-34(480i) Pound SNES Cable 42 LevelHike SNES Cable 74 SCART to HDMI Box 53-98 HD Retrovision cables 60 RetroTINK2x Pro 0 RGB2Comp 0 Comp2RGB 0 GBS Control Scaler 480i 24 GBS Control Scaler w/ GBS control 240p 4 GBS Control Scaler w/ GBS control 480i 0 GBS Control Scaler downscaler 7

[@discordinc]

Oh yikes, I recently got a Pound cable cause I thought they were a good brand

[@RetroRGB]

Hopefully you bought it recently enough that you can return it. There's a lot more to the story about how bad a company Pound is, but that will be addressed in a different video...

[@jfroco]

Excellent video as usual. Thank you, Bob

[@tonycrazy88]

Yes! Finally, the GBS control is getting some love. It is unbeatable in terms of bang for your buck.

[@AndehX]

wow I literally commented the same thing as you, without even reading your comment hahaha

[@helgynor]

Awesome video, thanks Bob for making such a great comparison between so many scalers.

[@otakujhp]

Awesome video Bob.

[@Robertkopp84]

Yeah zero lag Mr. Koralik, i suggest you go to a doctor. I hope somebody can help this man.

[@majinvipergaming]

I'm lost lol why would he need to see a doctor?

[@TheSwartz]

Excellent.

[@athomedadgamer545]

Fantastic video, thanks for the info! I would have loved to see the Eon products as well. Thanks again for doing this!

[@BambooShadow]

Really looking forward to the GBS-Control Review video. That thing's hot these days!

[@ezg8448]

If you think 3 - 6 frames of lag is bad for input lag then you haven't been playing on modern consoles *cough* switch... I switched to a wired controller to minimize lag and I'm not a twitch gamer.

[@RetroRGB]

Ha! Fair point! At least with modern games, developers are thinking about input lag, but that was never a thing in the 80's and 90's.

[@bengmo64]

That was quite the evil mastermind laugh

[@chutton988]

Epic video, Bob! Thanks a ton.

[@ceberuss_yt8266]

Still happy with my Ossc 😊 kudos from belgium

[@dqwno4900]

how many frames of lag is 50 milliseconds?

[@DrClaw77]

2, almost 3 IIRC

[@TheAfroman]

*stares in Koralik*

[@aspinia]

the mini brand shows no lag but video signal is low, I get it converting vga to composite would not take advantage of the video quality of a graphic card, but it sucks I couldn't read the text on my 22 inches composite TV.

[@RetrOrigin]

I can almost guarantee people complaining about retro games being too hard are playing their games on laggy cheapo modern TVs using cheapo scalers and wireless controllers.

[@josephmastromarino4458]

Thanks for documenting all of that! Is the equipment okay? I can almost hear the equipment fall and the words that must have followed in my mind.

[@RetroRGB]

Thank you...and luckily yes, the equipment was fine. I thought it was hilarious that it all stayed connected and still worked, so I left it in :)

[@nightwinn]

@@RetroRGB You don't have to copy Linus Sebastian's schtick to have a great channel. ;)

[@Deltax5]

Just looking forward to the OSSC pro. Hope the settings are easy to deal with. Mostly want it for ps1 and up now. Just wait for reviews.

[@wernervanhorenbeeck2483]

wonderful new video. thank you. out of curiosity, are you planning to do a video on that jamma interface / addon for the mister fpga?

[@donwilson]

I made a comment on your last video about input lag. I appreciate the hard work on this video, well done!

[@DuelingDragonAdventures]

But quality can't be measured, Bob!

[@nightwinn]

Ouch for that SCART to HDMI box. I've had better latency on overseas Skype calls.

[@rescuecomplex5115]

Hi. Great channel! One question, please: will i have less inputlag connecting an usb adapter to an official wired ps1/ps2 controller to a ps3, compared to the offical ps3 blutooth controler ( especially to ps1 games on ps3 )?

[@an_ancient_gamer]

This video is a beaut! Exactly what I needed to see! And that laugh....bahahaha soooooo perfect

[@Zionfarm]

As usual awesome video showing true testing numbers with a wide variety of scalers/alternate ways of hooking up retro stuff. I was on the arcade-projects forums a coupe of months ago. I was talking about using HD Retrovision cables along with my two Superguns. The Minigun supergun and the HAS. Man the grief I got from this one guy talking about how bad their cables are blah blah. Now I know arcade stuff can be finicky with different voltages and such.

[@RetroRGB]

Yeah. Also, the HD Retrovisions were never designed for use with arcade stuff, only the exact consoles they were built for. Kind of an unfair comparison.