BRIEF GUIDE TO BUYING A HANDGRINDER: Which is best for you with Burr Man

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[@itsxris]

hey babe wake up burr man posted another video

[@TylerH266]

Love your videos too bro!

[@karigrandii]

Burrman go brrrrrr

[@austinkurkowski]

the quality increase of these videos over the last 2 years has been crazy!! thank you lance!

[@nodirbekable]

He really leveled up both in terms of video quality and personal style.

[@dzk004223]

This guy posted at IMPECCABLE timing, bc today I woke up on the market for a new hand grinder

[@jirkav]

Glad you are recommending the K6, it didn't get much praise in your ultimate handgrinder comparison video, even though it's absolutely fantastic and kicking waaay above it's league, comparable to (or even beating) grinders 2 to 3 times the price.

[@eriksmuiznieks7403]

Agreed, bought my k6 in February and for the price it's been an amazing purchase, which I have been using for v60 and aeropress, but I found that my v60 cups sometimes come out a bit muddier than I like (nevertheless, enjoyable), though aeropress has been fantastic. I also got a flair 58 on black Friday and the pairing has been performing very well so far. Overall if you're looking for something budget k6 seems like a no-brainer. Probably going to upgrade to a Pietro when I can, because I like a lot of clarity, and want a flat burr grinder to use.

[@EstelonAgarwaen]

when i looked at grinders to get at a decent price (i got a barista express) i landed on the k6. it just works. coffee from french press to espresso is great.

[@projectvagrant8197]

Managed to grab a lightly used K4 for $75 on the coffeeswap subreddit

[@Rotorgeek13]

Def liking my K4! @@projectvagrant8197

[@mrmohammedshehata]

Honestly, I am confused myself. In the previous video which he referred to, he didn't highly recommend the K6. While here ، he did! I want to but it from Aliexpress. It's now about 111$. This is supposed to be my very first grinder.

[@TheAlfahDj]

I have been using the K6 one year almost everyday for V60 and Aeropress, and ocasionally with my flair pro 2, and without a question it has been a gamechanger. I borrowed a K plus 1ZPresso for a couple of weeks, and was sure it was my destined grinder, but was unable to find it in a reasonable price due to import rates. So I made due diligence and got the K6. Trust Lance, trust me, it is worth every cent, it is a steal, the quality of the grind from the 1Zpresso I could not distinguish at all. Build quality might not be the same, but the important stuff (burr and adjustment system, and the ability to get a perfect shot from any espresso machine) its right there with the comandante and 1zpresso k series.

[@full_metal2452]

Could you give me your recommendations on what grind setting to use on the K6 for a light roast Gesha on a v60?

[@TheAlfahDj]

@@full_metal2452 for specific grains like that I have no idea. But my rule of thumb with new coffee is to start at click 85, and from there I adjust according to acidity, too sour and I go finer (normally never past 75), too biter and go coarser (I have never needed more than 92 clicks for v60).

[@full_metal2452]

@@TheAlfahDj thank you

[@bent7131]

I have a K6 and am totally happy with it now that I understand that the settings on the grinder may be significantly off and cannot be recalibrated. As someone new to making their own espresso, I did what probably everyone does as a beginner. I googled "how many clicks" to make espresso on Kingrinder K6 and also used their settings grind chart. I was losing my mind for months because I was using other users click setting suggestions. What I didn't realize is that one of shortcomings of the K6, from my understanding, is that it can be up to 45 clicks off from zero and still be considered within spec. Once I found that out and started to go 10-15 outside of other users suggested clicks for a cafelat robot, I've been having great results. So not a big deal once you figure that out but I have to admit that when I didn't know, I didn't touch my robot for months.

[@ferologics]

thx this was really well thought out, structured, and delivered, im leaving here well informed and set for purchasing the Q2 grinder, thanks!

[@ccbroughton4]

Highly recommend a Kingrinder k6 for best budget grinder and Q2s for best travel-size grinder. Everything else is diminishing returns, your welcome.

[@jirkav]

I have both, both are great. I usually take the k6 to work and when traveling "heavier", and Q2 is what I take for a weekend trip with a backpack only. Perfect combo. Initially bought k6 for car camping and work but soon realized it's too big to backpack with, so I waited for a good deal on q2 and I'm sooo happy I got it too.

[@willowmallow]

Brilliant to have an update on the currently available grinders from someone so knowledgeable. Thank you.

[@RubenRC94]

I got the kingrinder K6 for €88 on Amazon (about $95) the build quality is amazing. Managed to get the first propper espresso shots on my flair neo. I'm sure it'll last me for many years to come

[@vinct7023]

In theory... There are several comments here and there about K6 starting to losing grind set up after a year of 3-4 shoot per day. Like many Chinese stuff, they do look good at first but quality control and reliability over time very rarely compare to (much expensive) Western counterpart or even Taiwain made product (1Zexpresso).

[@rossbrown6649]

I just gave myself the K6 grinder as my wife's Xmas present to me, being a past Hario user, and really find this a great grinder. As an advocate for noting burr separation, if possible, I decided to do so for the K6. A little trigonometry gives a value of microns/click = 16 * Sin(Burr-angle) and I measured the burr-angle ~15 deg, so that means the burr separation = 16 * Sin(15) * #Clicks = 16 *.25882 * #Clicks = 4.14 microns * #Clicks. A good approximation would be ~4 * #Clicks so 25 Clicks ~ 100 microns. Now I can compare that with the same burr setting on my df83 and see how the respective shots compare.

[@ryushev2000]

whats wrong with your wife

[@rossbrown6649]

@@ryushev2000 As regard to her choice of presents for me, absolutely nothing!

[@full_metal2452]

What grind setting would you recommend for a light roasted Gesha using the KinGrind K6 for a hario v60?

[@DV8CoffeeRoasters]

You are more than a wealth of information, appreciate all that you do. I had the pleasure of meeting your cardboard cutout last year in Portland for the SCA expo, very approachable yet strangely quiet. This video inspired the purchase of your recommended budget hand grinder (KINGrinder) and I’ve been impressed. Currently using for special requests on a small scale however it’s been fun comparing the brews against our Ditting lab grinder via pour over. First impression is appears to bring out brighter notes in fresh naturals and terrible notes in aged coffee. Looking forward to comparing espresso.

[@PetrusEskelinen]

really happy with my Kinu Phoenix. Fast, reliable, built like a tank and easy to use. Not the best for filter but good for aeropress and great for espresso.

[@AlejandroPDX]

Thanks to your videos I have been very happy with my k-ultra/max (whatever it is now) for a year now!

[@SX0T]

I've been slangin' a JX-PRO for quite some time. I think it's definitely on par with the K stuff (for the most part) and shouldn't be forgotten.

[@HenryPiffpaff]

Did you try them side by side? I also have a JX-Pro and wonder what other grinders might taste like

[@user-ge9uz9nn6j]

Finally made a decision and purchased the KinGrinder 6. I researched the options, relying heavily on all your hand grinder videos. The KG-6 has many features of much more expensive choices. I wanted to have a back up if my daily electric grinder failed, a good grinder for my guest set up and I will use it for travel . And value for money of course. A big factor is that the KinGrinder is available on Amazon where I already shop. Many other options require setting up new accounts and I am reluctant to send my info anywhere I don’t absolutely have to. Call it an old person (72) foible. As of this date, the Seattle public library system has been crippled for a week with a ransom wear attack, back to doing everything by hand. It can happen to anyone.

[@NiggletFarm]

Seattle is a cesspool

[@DerMaflon]

I got the Timemore X Lite roughly a year ago and I paid 105€, I feel like that was a great deal and the build quality is outstanding, absolutely amazing, also I agree that I don't really enjoy really light roasted coffee, I usually go for medium dark roasts. That's where that grinder shines

[@richardmiddleton7770]

I have the Kinu M47 classic and although it's the only hand grinder I've owned, it does a fantastic job of espresso and Turkish. One thing I did with mine, and this may apply to other hand grinders aswell, is to wrap one single layer of Cellotape round the shaft where the burr goes. This was because the burr had some slight play on the shaft and therefore would be misaligned and produce different size particals. This is probably unnoticeable, but it was such an easy fix I thought it was worth it to get the best out of such an expensive grinder.

[@peterr8538]

loves this spread, got the zp6 for light filter /aeropress k-max for light to medium espresso and on its way from taiwan a 1zpresso q-air (q2 heptagonal in a lightweight plasic shell) for backpacking light-medium or at home for dark roast had the j-max but sold it to getmoney for the k-max, and im not looking back :D

[@peterr8538]

Just got my q-air, it fits my go-bag very well inside a aeropress... and I kinda want back 😅 found a secondhand j-max 😂 so I got a handgrinder for each (conical) tasting profile 😂 no one need this... but it sooo nice!

[@michaeltroiano5705]

This was fantastic. Thank you.

[@Danielsworlds]

I love my JMax. its number system means i can switch between brew methods and coffees with ease. No counting clicks and guessing to reset back from 0 at the burs. and its super fine adjustments make it wonderful for espresso but the ease of adjustment means i can use it for filter and not be fiddling with clicks all day to reset it.

[@sixthdutch]

Really nice format with the overlays and production. I just got a ZP6 a few days ago and I'm working on dialing it in for my filter brews. I'm coming from an OE Lido 3, which, despite its strengths, is an absolute nightmare to adjust and use in terms of ergonomics. The ZP6's simple adjustment mechanism is a million times better. Retention is a lot lower as well.

[@jadein23]

I was torn on getting my first grinder and you made me feel very comfortable getting a 1z k grinder. thank you so much

[@AudiuX]

very good grinder choice

[@TilmanBaumann]

Ergonomics matter a lot! The Commandante is pretty much the max diameter I want to hold with my dainty hands. Long ago I had a Hario Skerton, it was torture.

[@conormclaughlin5811]

I think the one glaring omission here is the range from Made By Knock. Great build quality, does filter and espresso well, reasonably priced for all metal construction.

[@cantrellisgod]

The problem being that Made By Knock are a small Scottish manufacturer. I have an Aergrind and love it for both filter and making espresso on my Flair. But during lockdown you had to be fast to get one, they restock and then sell out all the time. They're very much a specialist UK brand. But yeah, I'd say they're a great option if that option is open to someone.

[@miles611]

Jumped straight from a Hario Skerton to a 1zpresso K-max Absolute night & day, the K-max is insanely nice to use

[@Adam-vx6to]

Got the pietro with pro brew burrs after watching your first video on it. Such a fantastic grinder. Can't reccomend it enough for those looking for clarity in coffee.

[@marvinl7450]

have you tried espresso with it? I got the pro brew burrs as well but can't really estimate whether the espresso from it is any good since I am new to espresso.

[@Adam-vx6to]

@@marvinl7450 with pro brews it’s very difficult to grind physically and the adjustments are not great. It works well for turbo shots, but the pro brew burrs struggle with traditional espresso as they just aren’t designed for it

[@niccoloaurelius1587]

@@marvinl7450 I do turbo shots all of the time, and the Pietro pro brew is great for espresso (I didn't try traditional espresso recipe). It's comparable to my DF83 with SSP lab sweet burrs, but sometimes slightly less fidelity (or in other words, slightly less discerning of flavor). But clarity seems comparable when it comes to my turbo shots. I plan on traveling with it with my Flair, and just got back from a Thanksgiving trip where I used it for pourovers daily; I don't see a problem going on road trips with it at all. It's almost the same size as any other good hand grinder.

[@PetrucciMusampa]

I was about to pull the plug and buy a Comandante c40 hahaha, and now I'm really looking into the 1zpresso K series thanks for all the information!

[@Timo-qb1gf]

Handmade in Germany paying decent wages instead of China in questionable conditions I think should go into the decision process.

[@LanceHedrick]

*Taiwan. Please don't bring sinophobia onto this page.

[@yeehsuencheng4102]

Very proud to have Lance mentioned Apollo B plus! Apollo user here, cheers! :D

[@Bauderjoh]

Future video idea: How do handgrinders and electric grinders compare in case of filter and espresso. Id be really interested how price compares to taste and where my K Ultra is placed against electric grinders

[@trystanjames2687]

Just got the K6 today, upgrading from Porlex. MY GOD! Made my first pour over. Truly is a massive step up!! Taste is incredible in comparison, UX is also great.

[@ElFlipo1337]

Are you reading my mind? Was just waiting for a video like this.

[@Joao_tb]

6 months of ZP6. Best coffee investment I haver done! Cheers grinder burr man

[@martinj001]

Just ordered a ZP6 Special yesterday, and very much looking forward to it. My Lido 3 has treated me well for many years now, and my Opus works great for espresso needs as well as pour over (though seems too fine for use with my Pulsar, depending on the coffee).

[@Tristan_the_ultimate]

I love this video, sir Lance! Huge thanks! Looks like the Kingrinder K6 is really the best bang for buck handgrinder (considering that the Q2 pentagonal doesn't have external adjustment and has less granularity when dialing in) in the market now unless you are willing to spend at least 200$ or more.

[@Glormpo]

Zp6 is so tempting. Have had a c40 for 5 years and have been happy, but more clarity and grinding finer without astringency is so appealing. But then many say the difference isn’t so big

[@mprz8188]

I've seen videos from people preferring the ZP6 over the Pietro.

[@Adam-vx6to]

No you haven't. Pietro WITH pro brew burrs is not the same as the normal one. It's much cleared that the zp6. Can't compete with flat burrs. Just simple geometry@@mprz8188

[@stefenheif]

The Chestnut X was much lower priced during black friday, using it with a french press can be tricky depending on roast. No mention of weber stone grinder 1, I felt that it is a hefty omission!!1!

[@michaelnicholson4598]

One of the things that put me off 1Zpresso at first was the sheer amount of choice they offer, though i have no doubt they are superb performers and well-valued. I just wish this video was out when i was in the market for a hand grinder 😅though i’m very much happy with my Timemore Chestnut X, and i completely agree with you that it’s more geared towards darker roasts

[@BensCoffeeRants]

I just sold my Weber HG2. I liked it though. I found the profile was actually very similar to the K plus except much smoother. The flavour clarity might also be higher on HG2 after adding the slow feeder on it (or Weber Key) which it needed to prevent popcorning (fixed with the Key v2 now). Those mazzer burrs with Webers treatment at low rpm seem like they're a conical burr trying to be a flat burr. I was initially expecting a lot more blending of flavours and more body. There's not much body but seems to produce micro fines which don't seem to negatively affect taste but provide a light silky body sometimes. I compared with a friends HG1 without the Weber burr treatment and we found his was a bit higher body and less flavour clarity so if you're looking for a more conically conical then the uncoated burrs in the HG1 or Craig Lynne HG1 prime will be cheaper and better for you vs Weber HG2

[@hotfishy]

I love my hg1 prime and happens to have a flat burr grinder as well (Ceado e5sd). Between the two, I always pick espresso made from hg1 prime due to it’s flavour profile as it’s more rich and highlight it’s core flavour without much noise

[@nefeluyar6496]

I am very happy with my jx pro for espresso. Very consistent

[@LPUD1mon]

Just got my KinGrinder K2, man those grinders are really good. Please pay your attention to those. K4 is the sweet spot in their lineup, so don't event hesitate

[@Yirgamalabar]

From my experience K4 is not the sweet spot. I have the K0, K2, K6 and a K4 as a semi-permanent loaner from a friend, and the K4 is the only one I don't enjoy using. Its speed to effort ratio is too high. It's very fast, but requires a lot of effort. The K2 is perfect in this regard and the K6 (which is slower) is still great. The K0 is very slow if you try to use it for espresso, but it's perfectly fine for pourover.

[@TheAlfahDj]

I say most people will be fine with a K2, which is same burr as k3 but not coated, it goes great with both espresso and filter, and it is cheaper than the hario ceramic ones (which suck).

[@efendibey965]

thanks for talking about all the options you've encountered not just the one you have in fron tof you

[@xinyaowang3710]

Liked your comments bashing the C60. The hand grinder market is very mature and not as it was when some one making a stupid thing and charge whatever they wanted. Keep up with the good work.

[@BBB_025]

a 12 minute coffee video from Professor. Burr??? I didn't think it was possible 😝 I am wishing for a ZP-6 as a travel grinder. Maybe some day!

[@emmanuelvanderschelden9474]

Great work Lance! How does the X-pro from 1Zpresso fit in this list? I have this grinder for a year now and quite happy with it, both filter and espresso. Recommended it to a friend in combo with a gaggia classic pro, over the jx-pro, since I believe it is better suited as an all-round grinder. Jx-pro is more espresso-focused. Would you say you agree? Edit: grammatical

[@namtae]

The x-pro is pretty much the same burr as the Q2 hep so same would apply quality wise.

[@cfijosh]

Nice video! I basically have the same question as above, how does the X-pro and X-ultra fit in? Specifically, how do they compare to something like the K6 or Kmax for pourovers? Thanks!

[@user-yk5ln8lp2v]

the X-pro is basically a beefed up Q2 with a new dialing system, larger capacity, and 12.5 micron adjustments over 25 micron adjustments so it can do espresso well. it's nearly IDENTICAL burrs to the Q2 hepta and the Commandante. I have both.

[@johnmpifer]

@@user-yk5ln8lp2vGreat summary. I also have the X - pro, and I am amazed every time I use the grinder at what a great pour over it makes. I also have the fellow ode generation one, and, for some coffees, I prefer it for pour over, but sometimes I enjoy the more blended flavor of the XN pro. I like to try each grinder on every coffee that I buy. I bought it because I wanted the ability to be able to get into espresso, eventually, and I am probably going to get a flare 58 sometime in the next month or two. It’s such a great grinder for travel as well. I really like the external adjustment.

[@user-yk5ln8lp2v]

@@johnmpifer I had the Flair 58 and the Robot.... trust me, get the Robot. it's less finnicky and the workflow is way better. also, the X-pro/Q2 Hepta are INCREDIBLE grinders for the money. I prefer the K-max more though because it has better flavor separation. The Xpro is sweeter and more complex, but if you like fruit forward light roasts the K series is unbeatable with how clean and precise the flavors are. you can pick out the individual flavors from teh acidity so much better IMO

[@Tom-sq9co]

I got to play around with the Apex at SCA Portland with Doug and Barb. First, they are the nicest people in the world. Second, I want that grinder so bad.

[@GunfighterAlpha]

Very helpful video. I'm about a month into my coffee adventure, a very analog human obsessed with the finer details, so hand grinders really appeal to me. Currently doing french press/pour over until I gain a little more knowledge and branch out into different machines. Will be binge watching your entire channel! Thank you for what you do.

[@deluxgaming6742]

I know you dont like Commandante but for me it's the best Grinder because I just know it's good and also the practice they do with EZspresso is standard procedure for brands which they have to do by law to keep their share. It's just a personal preference. I used Commandante since 6 years now and it still works like a charm.

[@danymeeuwissen5973]

There's a not so subtle difference between enforcing IP and bullying every single EU reseller of other brands based on a very questionable claim. The reasons Lance mentioned in the video for not recommending them are nevertheless completely valid. Overpriced compared to basically everything else on the market, and a pita to use.

[@LanceHedrick]

Tbh I'm over internal clicks and floating burrs if the grinder is over $150

[@himself4]

what do you mean by floating burrs?

[@HaveAGoodHeart]

Commandantte is coming out with a even more super espensive one!!! omg!!! still it is internal clicks... @@LanceHedrick

[@deluxgaming6742]

I see the convenient part but tbh it's not such a huge deal for most consumers probably setting the grind size every other day. Floating burrs I can get behind tho. @@LanceHedrick

[@jordangay5344]

Coffee grinder go BURRRRR

[@Armedcor]

Ordered myself the ZP6 during black friday. Excited to try it against my SSP MP and Cast V2!

[@thamtham4924]

Can you report the comparison. Is it worth the hype?

[@CDdogg303]

Absolutely appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experience

[@KanielD]

I think the J ultra replaced the max & the X ultra they also have an X ultra now. Any plans to cover these in the future? Anyway, thanks for all you do!

[@kylelockhart7066]

Love the over views, especially of comparison videos from a long time ago, mega helpful!

[@mgsboedmisodpc2]

Lance H. Comandante C60 Barracuda a review awaits from yes with is one two three all grinded up

[@southsouthsouthside]

Bought a K6 for like 90usd, I can't wait to try it!

[@TheAlfahDj]

you cant go much higher on grind quality from there, I believe you will be really satisfied I guess

[@seinteller]

Nice budget choice, but I think C40 or M47 will be much more fun.

[@funnyguylol69]

Fantastic breakdown with all price points.

[@alexandregaudry1844]

Thank you very much to speak about Apollo grinder during a few seconds..it’s a fantastic grinder for espresso, i agree with you.

[@Becizzle]

Love my 1zpresso j-max. I splurged one black Friday and it's been amazing for my dark roast and light roast.

[@TheGuitarRoom]

You are obviously in the top of your field. I am new to hand grinding, but not new to coffee. I would be extremely grateful for your opinion for my flavor desires. I grew up in Puerto Rico with 28 coffee trees on my property. We lived, and what was considered the ideal coffee region, proven by the fact that our border farm sold to the Vatican for 80 years. my earliest memories are growing, harvesting, drying and roasting coffee. Then we would acquire milk from our neighbor and make café con Leche as kids. However, the preferred brewing style for coffee growers was simply hand grind beans, and then subject them to 195 to 200° water and pour them through a cloth sock or a metal sieve to retain more oil. I don’t particularly care for the filters, and I like to have more oil rich and that silkiness that hits you with less filtering. It’s 62 years old. This will be my first hand grinder. I was looking at a timemore C3 max pro. I won’t be making espresso, I will just be doing pour over. so I would like your advice on a entry-level grinder. I’ll spend 100 to 150. Also, if you can recommend some pour over coffee, coffee filters. Thank you very much.

[@AJHDC]

Thanks for sharing your unique and meaningful coffee experience. If you don't care for filters, why not go with a french press with the metal sieve? KinGrinder K6 is the one he recommended in the video based on your criteria :)

[@TheGuitarRoom]

@@AJHDChello and thank you. The older I get, the more unique, I realize my experience was. I would like to do both. But I do love the richness that comes through without a paper filter. Having visited many coffee farms around the world, I never met one grower who uses paper filters. However, it’s any other refined beverage, there are different flavor bases. Some people like white wines, some people like red bordeaux, red wines. IPA beers or dark molasses Rich, Belgian style beers. But I would still like a good quality grinder that’s not too terribly expensive. If I had the budget, I would buy a Comandante. Thank you for your response. I genuinely wish everybody could’ve had the opportunity to grow up the way I did. Literally, my earliest memories are harvesting coffee, Cocoa, sugarcane, coconuts, pineapple, several varieties of bananas, oranges, grapefruits, and limes, guava, Tamarindo, and every other tropical fruit you can imagine.

[@flipper2gv]

Comandante is more expensive because it uses better quality steel in their burrs and they don't use aluminium (also Germany wages). 1zpresso are much better value I agree but after seeing photos of chipped burrs (and metal specks in the grounds) in new-ish models, I'm not sure I'd recommend them for people that want a grinder to last a long time.

[@alburnto]

and honestly, I prefer to err on the cautious side and don't mix aluminum recipients with coffee (having acidic components). It's sad because of the competitive price of 1Zpresso, but I'll save up some money and get a Comandante eventually.

[@danymeeuwissen5973]

You can get a kinu phoenix cheaper than a c40, and it annihilates it in every aspect. Also, kinu is actually built completely in the EU, comandante?

[@bluemystic7501]

@@danymeeuwissen5973 Comandante is manufactured in Germany.

[@flipper2gv]

@@danymeeuwissen5973 most people that compared both side by side don't agree (from videos, I didn't compare myself), they most prefer the Comandante for pour over and they thought they were very comparable for espresso (if you add the red clix, which I agree is more $).

[@allig4t0r]

Any articles or photos to back that up?

[@CaveyMoth]

Most people say that the Timemore C2 and C3 are almost indistinguishable from each other. But after getting to try both of them, I find them to be quite different. The C2 has a larger bean capacity and is easier to feed beans into without them bouncing out. It is also better for espresso because of its finer tuning of grind size. And that's where the advantages stop for me. The C3 makes cleaner tasting light roasted coffee brews. It is a HECK of a lot easier to grind with, thanks to its proprietary S2C burrs (Although the C2 grinds a lot faster..with a lot of muscle involved). And the C2 is awkward to stand up with the catch cup detached. The grind adjustment dial juts out from the bottom and doesn't allow it to stand up straight on a flat surface. It bugs the heck out of me. The C3 is just the best all around to me, and it's usually the same price as the C2.

[@xanovsky]

As someone who had both grinders I do have to agree with you. When it comes to filter the c3 just seemed to have much clearer cups than the c2. I also tried the c3 with the esp grinder plate that alowed me to dial in for espresso pretty well. Got some really good results

[@kieranda3718]

Great guide. I do espresso (turbo shots of light roasts) all the time on my ZP6 though - it's really great for that style. Bit of a workout though haha. I actually prefer the ZP6 for some fermented coffees (heavy naturals, carbonic maceration etc.) over my DF64 with SSP MPs.

[@khungreen9773]

I have to try this ☕️

[@imsteevin]

thanks, I've been debating tons of options for like a week and finally just went with the K6 because it was 100 bucks on amazon with a coupon

[@0whitestone]

Great quick summery! i was hoping that you'd touch on the X-Pro, you seemed very impressed with it in your ultimate1zpresso comparison, I wonder how it compares with other non-1zpresso grinders. I have one and am very happy, but I'm sometimes wonder if I should get a Zp6 too since I really bought the X-Pro for espresso. But I realize that you can't possible mention them all. Thanks for the video!

[@johnmpifer]

It’s basically a Comandante C40 with regard to cup profile. Possibly even better. But with better adjustment, and far cheaper.

[@0whitestone]

@@johnmpifer I've heard some people say it it leans heavy on the acidity, I enjoy the profile but as my only hand grinder I just wonder what else is out there. Probably just my GAS acting up...

[@johnmpifer]

@@0whitestone Maybe look at some of those others he talked about that lean more towards traditional espresso profiles.

[@savioneves8791]

I'm an 80% espresso guy, so I got a Kinu M47 Simplicity and I'm very happy with it. The espresso is fantastic, and the filter is decent enough for my needs. Though sometimes I'm tempted to get a ZP6 for the high clarity filter, like the ones I usually drink at my local cafe, which uses an EK.

[@SamplePerspectiveImporta-hq3ip]

I love that I clicked this video and I already own 3 of the 5 grinders out on the table.

[@ende421]

One of the features of hand grinders I care for is grind speed. The K-Max and the JX are about twice as fast than a C40. Waiting for an espresso capable version of the ZP6.

[@johnmpifer]

If they came out with an espresso capable version of the ZP6 special, I’d probably buy it immediately, even though I don’t really need it right now.

[@r2ro112]

Hey Lance, I love your videos and I bought a Pietro with your pro brew burrs and I love it. I really believe you have the best of interests for your viewers and coffee community. Maybe this was just my experience with them but I hate to say this and hope I don’t just sound like a hater on the internet but Pietro/Fiorenzato have really bad customer service. They kept me in the dark many times, maybe you’re aware of them doing that. I had a warranty claim that lasted a month of just emailing with weeks or days of no response.

[@LanceHedrick]

That's no good Screenshotting and sending them this.

[@shaheerrahman4278]

I got the time more c3 on my student budget for the aeropress. It does a way better job than my crappy worn out hario!

[@xwkshfrajerze1083]

i cant recommend the kingrinder k6 enough, after buying it and testing it back to back with a commandante i was shocked how similar they were :)) chestnut c2 is also awesome, definitely not as good as the k6, but still a great deal for the money (if you can stand the old school click system). i would definitely not recommend getting any of those hario mini slim type grinders with ceramic burrs, used it for a year and it suuuucked. looking back at it now its crazy how awful the particle distribution was and how long it took to grind 12g of coffee

[@Reeposter]

I have K4 and use it for espresso, it's just great for the price point. The only bad thing I can tell about this grinder is the rubber grip that after few months got loose and I needed to throw it away. Also assembling it back from cleaning is kinda painfull with that one small part that you need to somehow set with your finger. But in terms of the quality of grind it's just great. I've started my journey with also some ceramic burrs hand grinder, then switched to C2 and it was a colossal difference in grinding time, and then I've jumped to K4 as C2 wasn't really good with espresso (maybe only 2 clicks classified as espresso grind + it took me 1,5min to grind 18g).

[@xwkshfrajerze1083]

@@Reeposteryeah the little metal piece is a real pain to put back inside, my rubber grip is still holding up great (i only had the grinder for 4 months though). also, the loose lid/arm is kinda annoying and im worried about the thread on the catch cup

[@Reeposter]

@@xwkshfrajerze1083 for the arm you have a special rubber oring included to attach it better to the lid

[@aalokshah8655]

i know there is the patent controversy and they are pricey, but i like how easy/smooth it is to grind with the comandante c40. the 1zpressos are harder to grind (even if faster). I also don’t mind the clicks. I suspect it is a bigger issue for super user reviewers who are constantly trying new beans, brew methods, etc.

[@LanceHedrick]

Not only the internal clicks, but the alignment is crap. Floating burrs aren't acceptable at that price point

[@mprz8188]

​@@CaldwellCoffeeJX is as simple as the C40, but much better alignment, tighter tolerances. Even when both grinders are quite similar in their adjustment mechanism I personally find the JX much more solid and pleasant

[@aalokshah8655]

i’m not saying one is universally better and obviously i haven’t compared everything. but i get very consistent results, easy to clean and reassemble, easy to use, easy to grind. I’m not a fan of a company using patents to bully retailers, but on the actual device, I have no major complaints. And after using it my coffee tasted a lot better.

[@mprz8188]

@@aalokshah8655 C40 is a good grinder. Just overpriced and quite outperformed by many of its direct competitors at the quality department. Comandante floats over a community that fully support their hype. Nitro burrs are awesome and I believe this is their major advantage but in many other aspects C40 and even its bigger brother, the C60 fall quite short. Adjustment mechanism is just one of them, not to mention the exorbitant price, the floating burr design (while there are so many options in the market offering 2 or 3 alignment bears, even at entry level prices) and this is not hate against comandante. I think they are loyal to their philosophy and that's something to praise. But as customers we are free to explore, compare and decide, give our opinion and offer some valuable feedback to whomever is willing to hear.

[@billyeveryteen7328]

I have a K4 because it was recommended for espresso over a K6. I picked it up last year for $80 US on Amazon. I think in the year since I've bought it, people have caught on to them, because now Kingrinder grinders on Amazon are more difficult to find, and more expensive. To Lance's point about them having a "similar" burr to 1Zpresso, I'm almost certain the parts are identical. I don't even mean they're "cloned," but are actually made in the same factory by the same company. In fact, I'm pretty sure Kingrinder and 1Zpresso are owned by the same people, and the idea was to have Kingrinder sold to the China and SEA markets, and 1Zpresso to the North American and European markets.

[@ivogievski]

I have the Q2 heptagonal for over a year now, and it has proved to be my best gear purchase in the last few years. Using it 5-6 times daily for aeropress, V60 and mokka pot, it comes with me on every camping trip, and never disappoints. Love that small thing.

[@user-yo8dw4eb4f]

I completely agree with Timemore Chestnut X. There are really great functions and they are really easy to use. In addition, it has a very rich sweetness and good clarity, making a really good cup for espresso. It's also a hand mill that can grind turkishi coffee, so it's a grinder I especially love.

[@brentroman]

Same here. Chestnut X for my picopresso and a STC grinder for Turkish!

[@coreycannon4511]

@@brentromanhow is the STC? I’ve been thinking about a dedicated Turkish grinder. My J-MAX will grind Turkish, but I find that I have to pull it apart and clean it out before I can use it for anything coarser. The STC grinders are so inexpensive that I kinda assumed that they were junk.

[@user-yo8dw4eb4f]

@@brentroman That's right. The espresso made by Chesnut X is really delicious. The very good concentration, honey-like sticky sweetness and subtle clarity are really fantastic.

[@brentroman]

The STC grinders are not junk. They are just well priced as they are made is Turkey. I ONLY use it for Turkish, and so it works great for me. @@coreycannon4511

[@MaltePersike]

I've been using the 1Zpresso J-Max grinder for about a year now and have noticed a very peculiar behavior. Extraction times are highly dependent on the speed with which you grind. I tend to dial in my espresso with a grind speed that is as SLOW as possible. So slow that I'm bordering on getting stuck when my muscles can't take any more tension. Now, when I increase rotation speed from this "barely able to grind"-level, this leads to significantly LOWER extraction times. One example: a few days ago I dialed in a new roast to extract in about 28 seconds, again with a painfully slow grinding speed. As long as I maintain that slow speed, extraction times are fairly consistent between 26 and 30 seconds However, when I increase the rotations per minute to as high as I can manage, extraction times cut less than half, settling between 12 and 15 seconds. Now, this might be due to a mechanical weakness of my J-Max grinder but in more and more videos, I hear people mention a similar relationship between grind speeds and extraction times for a vast array of grinders. What I'm asking is: is this a known and well-understood phenomenon?

[@tim9747]

Yes, it's no different than changing RPM on an electric giving different cups

[@MaltePersike]

@@tim9747 Is there an explanation why SLOWER rpm leads to SLOWER extraction? This would indicate that slower grinding - everything else being equal - yields finer particle sizes. Why is that?

[@tim9747]

@@MaltePersike I want to caveat that this is purely conjecture as I couldn't find a relevant scientific paper, but I am an engineer so here's my guess based on first principles: Holding all other factors constant and assuming that coffee fractures below some given torque value (materials break according to molecular structure, but also shape at the macro level - a sphere is stronger than other shapes per given unit of volume) - where the only variable is RPM there are only two factors that change - Power (torque x rpm) and fall time (affected by gravity, and grinder tilt/angle) A slower RPM could yield slower extraction due to more even particle size distribution. In a hand-grinder, we typically use cone burrs, which means as a bean breaks, it will drop to the next burr regime/gradient of the cone where the burrs are closer together and so-on. If you look at the entry point on a burr set, you will be able to draw a variety of widths before the first crack (peak-to-trough on burrs varies as it spins) and this hold true through the whole geometry. The peak-to-trough will look like an oscillating wave from above, but the gap at the trough will get finer and finer as you progress through the burr stack. Grinding slow would let the bean piece drop to the burr sets where they "match" width before shearing again; so you will get a final distribution that more closely matches the manufacturer's burr set distribution profile - hence why some grinders are more suited to filter and others espresso. Grinding fast would give a chance at chipping away the piece at an increment before it hits the "match" width. This could be from shooting/jumping through a gradient, smashing into another bean piece before both are crushed against each other - breaking into non-uniform sub-pieces, etc. I would bet money that popcorning is more prevalent at higher RPMs. Note that your filter bed preparation will also vary the extraction speed. When I grind directly into my portafilter, I get a different extraction than when I grind into a dosing-cup and dump THAT into the portafilter (even with a WDT). I believe this is due to particle sorting.

[@johnmpifer]

@@tim9747 very interesting post. Thank you. Something to experiment with, even though I just do pour over.

[@MaltePersike]

@@tim9747 Thanks so much. This is a very interesting and plausible model of how burrs actually interact with the beans. Great explanation!

[@mvadu]

Love Kingrinder K4, been a bestie for last two years.

[@Psychoh90]

In the espresso realm for medium and dark roasted coffee, under 180 euro, I would say to greatly consider the 1zpresso Jx Pro. Smooth, great body and nice texture.

[@louisburley1597]

We really love our K-Ultra. Easy to use, travel with and we have enjoyed most cups with it. I still think about the ZP6 occasionally though.

[@user-ld3li7yw9m]

Do you ever use the K-Ultra for espresso and press? Or only one in particular?

[@xllvr]

1zpresso being Taiwanese makes me very happy that it's one of the to-gos in the hand grinder market. EDIT: Probably would've benefitted from this vid when buying my girlfriend's Christmas present over Black Friday 😂; though at least I went with the Q2

[@Villaboy78]

I just pulled the trigger on a c40 and now … now you drop this video 🥶🥶🥶

[@Trogdorflykid]

One big plus to the c40 that wasn’t mentioned here is the community. I don’t own a c40 but I find myself thinking about getting one because there are so many tutorials that utilize it, and as a result you can replicate them really well. I always have to find that proper grind sized based on description because the adjustment system for every grinder is different. You’re going to have a great time, cheers ☕️

[@mrwilliamwchang]

Just two things worth a mention. Commandante is made in Germany versus China, I feel there is something modern but artisanal about the design and manufacturing. I haven't seen a Timemore factory tour, so who knows. Secondly, the company (and distributors) stand behind it 100%. I actually purchased mine in Germany, brought it back to the States, and it was no problem handling an issue through a local distributor. In the end both the distributor and manufacturer took a minor issue seriously and sent out replacements.

[@MichaelMa]

Any thoughts about the Timemore C3 ESP which is espresso focused?

[@peekz2048]

Awesome vid, dude. I'm loving the 1zpresso X-Pro. Magic grinder for pour overs.

[@pavelgrebnev3868]

10:40 I think it's Timemore x LITE on the picture p.s. I'm using Pietro with pro burrs on daily basis, planning selling k-plus, and I love my ode2 with ssp mp :)

[@cade5400]

The burr man! I was combing through your videos earlier today to try and pick what burrs to order with my Zerno on Friday 😂 I think I’m going with the unimodal brew and multipurpose burrs, both for filter only

[@Pappa_Wheelie]

Interesting thoughts on the Comendante…. That grinder changed my coffee experience.

[@e30Birdy]

Just found this channel and good thing i picked up the k ultra thanks to a nordic roaster friend. Cant wqit to watch some more of your videos

[@jeffjones6667]

Crazy how hand grinders are like cheese to Speedy especially since there are so many great budget electric grinders now. I admit I have the disease too ( several nice commercial grinders at my coffee shop) but i still want an upgrade from my timemore C2 at home

[@omletdufromaj]

Thanks for the video. You forgot to include the new 1Zspresso J-Ultra for the premium espresso.

[@KrishnenduKes]

Can someone say how many kilos of coffee does it take to season a new handgrinder like say an 1Zpresso?

[@reenakazmann9183]

Thanks for all this information! I'm interested in a grinder for filter coffee but wonder if all the recommended grinders are easy to turn. I have had difficulty using grinders years ago, and never bought one. Have they improved?

[@itsabo03]

Please do you have video for portable electric grinders

[@333pro333]

I have been using the 1zpresso JX Pro for espresso for a couple of years, and am very happy with it. What electric grinder would be comparable (steps, uniformity, retention)?

[@lorenzocastellini9986]

I think that the 1Zpresso J-max is now out of production (is not available for purchase in the official website). And has been replaced by the new series J-Ultra. For my understanding this new grinder carries the same J-Max burr, but in the body shape of a K-ultra. And a even finer burr movement of 8 micron per click instead of 8.8 micron.

[@adriatana5475]

Omg! Just today I had the idea of buying a handgrider and you just uploaded this video! Thanks! I got my eye on an Aergrind, what's your thoughts?

[@ColdCoffeePhotography]

Thanks Lance, gonna order a K6 for my pourovers to replace a C2, like you say I hope I brew something tasty!

[@Guips96]

Hey Lance, have you ever tried the CafeSing Orca? It's a flat burr hand grinder, that comes with two burr set options, it's really interesting and for what it gives, seems really good for the price.

[@liiich6175]

I use a 1zpresso K-max. I considered going electric but in the end not worth $1500AUD+ to save 30 seconds of manual work. I found using thick rubber bands helps with grip and also a large hose clamp to give my fingers something to lock into, also roasting a touch darker helps with ease of use (I home roast). My only issues I find is I need to look after grinding to make sure no beans got stuck on the walls inside as large beans can get lodged, a thicker grinder would be better but then it would be harder to hold. Also unsure if its true about body/clarity but I feel like I lack body with this grinder As for clicks and adjusting, the K-max is more then fine, each click is maybe 6 seconds +/- possibly but crank speed also changes things too. Slow cranking is about 3 seconds +/-. I can easily get 15g in 30g out in 30 seconds at 2.9-3.0 set

[@tobaccoffee]

Am i crazy to save up for the Weber HG-2? I love hand grinders, they're so intimate, and the Weber one looks cool and it's so unique.

[@Adam-vx6to]

If you don't mind the price. It's a fantastic grinder and is built amazingly and performs very well, but you are paying a lot for the build/experience.

[@notyou7]

I'd love a review of the Flair Royal. The only ones I find are lacking in-depth analysis. 20 grams grinds how fast? Retention? Longevity of plastic parts? Consistency? Burr Man, you're my only hope.