Lancia's Deadly Delta Was Too Fast For Rally

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Delta was a name worn by 2 cars very important to the history of rally. The first was a Group B monster, quite possible the fastest rally car the world had ever seen, and a car that shook the sport to its very core, arguably acting as the impetus to bring an end to the entire class. Then the Group A follow up didn’t just seize the torch but used it to light up every rally stage on the continent, over and over again. This is the story of Lancia’s famous, and infamous Delta rally cars.
Written by: Fred Knight
Edited by: JD Minny ( @jdminny )
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[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

So the car fell off of the mountain side because of the lack of railing and it is the car's fault?

[@automobilistic]

@@Eduardo_Espinoza did you watch literally any of the video leading up to and/or after that point?

[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

Yes, but I have attention problems.@@automobilistic

[@dictumobiter1365]

​@@automobilisticbrilliant video...👍

[@scottl.1568]

​@damarfadlan9251You mean since SEGA Rally Championship in the arcade (1994) 😅

[@JoshuaNicoll]

Man, group B was already insane, group S would have been something truely special.

[@thesis4349]

Or more deadly.

[@daveb4128]

And yet current rally cars are now setting even faster times on those same stages that Group B raced on - technology has marched on!

[@bassblowbackrecords8932]

​@daveb4128 That may be true but group b will always be the best age for rally the technology was revolutionary and the fans were more into the sport than ever

[@pixelnazgul]

Have them use no guide, and no knowledge of track. Then you'll see that rally is not real driving, they're just flying through it by slight corrections.

[@pixelnazgul]

Groups S is called Paris-Dakar.

[@derimeri21]

Kankkunen said to his co-driver when 1987 began in testing: "It's going to be a long year." They were used to Group B power, so that's why it was going to be long. He also claims that he drove the car one handed and all out in some test. His co-driver said druing one test: "Press the damn accelerator." Juha responds: "I have been flooring it for awhile." Source? Teknavi interview. 50th birthday of Juha Kankkunen. It was a episode where Juha and Markku Alén were going through memories.

[@pekkokuopanportti6859]

It was either Kankkunen or Alén who joked about the 1987 cars that you could drive them one-handed and use the other hand to wave at the crowds.

[@vaenii5056]

The Group A cars in 1987 were also quite underpowered, even Lancia Delta producing only around 240 hp.

[@alanb9337]

Kankkunen did a regular interview/ column with Martin Holmes for motoring publications in the 1980s. Juha's early impressions of the Group A Lancia Delta after the 3rd wrc event Portugal (4th place) were first there were the burning paint odours of the new car and by the end of the event burning oil odours from the engine. Rhorl said when they tested the Group B car at Bauxites (Acropolis stage) it was over 200 km/h and the Group A Audi 200 Quattro was 170km/h.

[@johnmichaels4330]

That must have been so disappointing and maddening for those drivers.

[@ricardopereira2746]

@johnmichaels4330 Absolutely. As I said in other comment, if there wasn't for the bad, irresponsible, life threatening behaviour of the public and the organisers not willing to put more money into security, as we see nowadays, this wouldn't have happened. Of course Attílio and Henri's deaths had to be taken into consideration, but danger (in the competitors view) has and still is part of the game. Stopping Group B and not going forward with Group S may seem to have avoided more deaths, but how many deaths we had following that, either in group A, N, Kitcars. It was a stupid decision to ban cars and not putting more work in crowd control. Nowadays I go to see WRC in Fafe (Portugal) and there's still huge crowds as back in the day. Just better placed and controlled. It has been my opinion throughout the years and yet nobody really managed to convince me otherwise.

[@4zkin]

you should do more about rallying, i really like your rally vids

[@davidpistek6241]

Great stuff, pikes peak would be great too

[@AlexWeiss94]

I 100% agree

[@lukedanielgalon1596]

@@davidpistek6241hunter moon does that And trust me you can believe in him

[@JohnDoe-vy5hh]

Ya

[@goldenageofdinosaurs7192]

Those Group A Lancias are so freaking gorgeous, man. The Integrale Evo is one of my favorite cars ever.

[@gabrielnicholascaparas9003]

I think the Delta is remembered for two things, one of the most iconic cars in rallying history and the car that ended Group B (due to Henri Toivonen and Sergio Cresto's crash. RIP to these two legends.)

[@fraserwright9482]

The ford RS200 crash in Portugal that killed spectators was more structural to Group B demise, Toivonen who is buried in Espoo was more symbolic. Marku noted the S4 has no brakes and unlike the old 037 which felt like a glove, the S4 as though someone else (spiritually the hand of god) was guiding it not him. The Pug was easier to drive, hence why it won that season. He has a Pug in his collection as do the other Rally drivers.

[@gabrielnicholascaparas9003]

@@fraserwright9482 speaking of the ford, was it harder to drive than the lacia or is it the other way around?

[@alexisborden3191]

@@gabrielnicholascaparas9003 Kinda, but in different ways, the Lancia was hard to drive and fast, and the Ford was hard to drive and slow. The Ford as far as I know and imagine, was difficult to drive in a dull knife sense, in that it sucked, was easy to overdrive into a mistake. By all accounts it handled quite well, but the power delivery was bad, and the engine had no power low in the RPM range.

[@GB-vn1tf]

​@@gabrielnicholascaparas9003the Ford was still under development at the beginning and the Lancia had been a progression. Ford had only started a few rallies with the RS200 in an attempt to join in on the group B series as it was hugely popular. As for the Peugeot Jean Todt created the ultimate group B team just as he did at Ferrari in F1.

[@GB-vn1tf]

​@@fraserwright9482spot on.

[@alexoconnell2175]

The S4 is my all time favourite car, an absolute marvel of Italian engineering.

[@codemy666]

While i love the insanity if Group B, i must say i kind of enjoy watching Group A alot more

[@xxNismo-]

Yeah I agree. Group A is my favourite era of rally

[@palupa42playz43]

I love the group A era as well.

[@bowlock9901]

It was a crazy era, don't forget group C too.

[@llmkursk8254]

I honestly wish the proposed 300bhp version of Group S had gone through. Imagine the crazy designs, with such a “meager” power output, pushing car technology in situations that could easily damage them such as the Safari or Acropolis Rallies. I’d actually like to see a video on all the “proposed” Group S prototypes. I use quotation marks because rallygroupbshrine places cars like the SEAT Ibiza Bimotor, which wouldn’t have the power output but the production potential, in Group S. You could fill it out with some of the Dakar special cars, such as the legendary Porsche 959 and Peugeot 405. For those who actually want to race the Group S monsters, in say, video games, you’ll be hard-pressed to find official licenses of them given out, much less any not-licensed versions. The closest for normal racing games would be the Toyota MR2 222D being used for a car in Wreckfest, while for a proper rally game, Art of Rally does feature most of the rallygroupbshrine cars. Thank you for the excellent content, here’s to more great videos!

[@theant9821]

I'm glad group s never happened, or the group a era would never have happened, group a was by far the greatest era for rallying. Not as spectacular cars but far more competitive sport and gave us some incredible road cars that could actually be bought. I'm only really interested in homologation cars. Hence why i couldn't care less about any of the fast cars for sale today, they've never won anything. Never done anything worth doing. The group b homologation cars were just unobtainable. But the spectacle compensated for that. But with group a, the close fought battles that had made group 4 so good resumed. And we could buy one ourselves again. In reality during the group b era, the British rally championship was far more exciting than the wrc, Jimmy Mcrae vs Russell Brookes both in the Opel Manta 400 was incredible.

[@retardray5701]

@@theant9821 I agree, after the initial shock of sudden change, group A proved to be a good deal for manufacturers, drivers and fans alike - being safe and similar to road cars, but also providing more exciting road cars for normal folks to drive. It also worked well with the cheaper group N, with the same base cars being able to be used in both categories. Group S feels like WRC, but 10 years in advance and with probably little relevance to road cars. They would've been cool cars though, make no mistake. But given that cost control wasn't much of a thing back then, it's likely that it'd become too expensive really fast. After all, apart from safety, another reason for FISA to plan a replacement for group B was that there were one or two manufacturers with winning cars - others were either spending millions to catch-up someday (Ford and Rover), entering the few rounds where they had a chance (Toyota in Safari) or just plain giving up (Audi with the front-engine Quattro).

[@GB-vn1tf]

​@@theant9821but group B increased the profile of rallying more than anything which allowed the future of the sport to be healthy. The subaru impreza of mitsibushi evo probably would never have existed without group B.

[@BOABModels]

Great rundown. There are stories that Toivonen suffered blackouts but kept it hidden through fears he would have to stop driving. The irony of the Group B ban is that by 1990, Group A was faster due to the cars having better handling and traction.

[@vaenii5056]

Sounds like a story Lancia would spread lmao.

[@originalforgery]

Group B was slower than Group A...? Whatever you say.....

[@santsa9042]

No way, I just finished watching your video on the 037, released 6 months ago, and wondered: I wonder if he has a video on the S4? And you do!

[@automobilistic]

perfect timing!

[@hardyherrmann4154]

Mai 2 1986 was the darkest day in history of Rallye, as a German who visits Corsica for over 40 years now (since I was a boy with my parents), I regularly visit the plcae, where the desater happened......the trees are much higher now but the fire traces are still visible - RIP Henri & Sergio, you'll remain unforgotten 😞

[@johngeren1053]

An interesting fact about the S4's engine is that it is not derived from the venerable iron block/aluminum head Fiat twin cam used by previous Fiat and Lancia competition cars.Rather, it was cast in one piece of light alloy, like a prewar Bugstti. No head gasket to blow if it overheats or over boosts. Valve work must require some ingenuity.

[@jussiuutaniemi3767]

Best sound ever in rallying,that engine .

[@Quellodeltabacco]

When Italian engineering expresses itself. The Sistine Chapel of Motorsport.🇮🇹

[@redradhako]

I'm glad this channel exists

[@xiter8868]

My father was part of the team that was developing the engine of the S4, ECV1 and 2 in the mid '80s. In test sessions some engines were reaching 1500 HP and monstrous torque as well. This is what Lancia was aiming for future evolution steps of the S4.

[@marcberard7382]

Tri flux

[@npne1253]

Now you have so much rally focused content, you should do an episode on the modern 2017-2021 era of WRCars, those machines, are to simply put, what LMP1 is to Group C. Absolutely incredible cornering speed and grip, they're like prototypes for the dirt.

[@carlmorton2556]

Very well narrated and put together I was a mechanic on the Lombard rallies 85 to 87 and witnessed these changes,sadly group b was axed but while they were here wow what a group you could tell which vehicle was coming just by the sound ,Quattro,Manta 400,Cosworth R/S 500,LANCIA,and even Tony Pond in the v8 rover Vitese it will never be the same I had the opportunity to ride in an RS 200 on a special stage and it was mind blowing

[@davesiddons8921]

I see a Delta and I’m there, one of the greatest cars of all time

[@nickknee3515]

A very well done deep dive into Lanicas history, thank you.

[@aquaisuseful682]

I wish Group S came to be, basically LMP cars on dirt. So so cool

[@gavinc.morrison1147]

the idea that fisa wanted to make group b faster is absolutely insane

[@tomba33]

🤔

[@gafrers]

Love the Delta S4 ECV and ECV2 Triflux engine ❤❤🔥🔥

[@falt.a7350]

But I think only few guys knows what is a triflux engine.... Limoni- Lombardo engineers And Beppe Fontana preparator....😢 Greets from Italy an Italian former mountain trooper Alpini 🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹 genX 😂😂😂

[@gafrers]

@@falt.a7350 Yes, very light info on wiki. But if you search you can read quite a lot about it and knowing Italian is the key to it. Trifulx was insane. Alpini Rules 🇮🇹🇮🇹

[@falt.a7350]

@@gafrers Yes bro.... But if you want... searching for Beppe Fontana garage or triflux engine on yt... You can find a few videos about this genius widow.... She detained all the aluminium block of ecv2 inside her garage and many collectors "flirting" with her family if she maybe want sell all garage with all the unfinished cars and chassis... Whit secret deal.... Research on yt my friend!!!!! Again greets from Italy 🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹 One time Alpini, forever Alpini

[@falt.a7350]

@@gafrers I forget.... Not in English Searching for..... Motore triflux or lancia ecv2 test motore gruppo S There are only Italian channel.... Greets again... "Ferro inique ad eccelsa" 🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹

[@falt.a7350]

Sorry..🤗 is Beppe Volta ( Fontana was another Abarth preparator) And engineer was Claudio Lombardi....🤗

[@fossilfueled27]

Fantastic video, a really great watch.

[@operaatio5117]

I heard that the panels in S4 were so weak that you could floor the pedal literally through the floor and it would get stuck.

[@automobilistic]

yes I even mention that exact point in the video

[@GeorgeTsiros]

@@automobilistic the pedal did not have a stop? ... how... ?

[@joaogaspar9184]

It did stop but the when it stopped the throttle was stuck like the driver was going all out ​@@GeorgeTsiros

[@jimbrown5091]

Can you imagine a 4wd 037? 😊

[@JK061996]

The late Beppe Volta developed a 037 4WD-H back in 2012, it had an electric motor on the front axle

[@jimbrown5091]

@@JK061996 Noooooooooo!😣

[@francouz23]

S4 is literally 4wd 037

[@jimbrown5091]

@@francouz23 except it's a "Delta sedan"

[@nicholascanjuga6000]

Thanks for an awesome video on my favorite group b car!

[@toml5451]

Great run down. Jolly Club actually did take the Delta to WRC victory for the 1992 season, as Lancia pulled out at the end of the 1991 season.

[@car-eNthusiastV8DFV]

Mate great video. You should definitely do more on other rally cars!

[@piotrgancewski6736]

I absolutely love your Rally videos, especially as there aren't many this type of video about my favorite ever rally car is fantastic, make more Rallying videos as those are really good ones

[@JohnCharb87]

Lancia Martini Racing would live on...in videogames. The Lancia Delta HF Integrale was featured prominently in the popular Sega Rally Championship for the Arcade and Sega Saturn. Also in the Gran Turismo series.

[@cwj2733]

the 037 stradale, delta hf integrale evo, s4, stratos stradale and fulvia coupe rally are in fh5 😃

[@joaogaspar9184]

The s4 in I the grand turismo 4

[@Rentta]

There were 2 considered specs for group s. Lancia also had ECV-2 which looked nothing like any Lancia road cars.

[@RobJaskula]

Tony Pond taking third in the debuting Metro 6R4 at the 85 RAC was a great drive!

[@noahman27]

I just finished watching the new movie Race for Glory: Audi Vs Lancia. It was a big let down. Flat flat flat story telling. I came to youtube to do some research into the story that inspired the film and I ended up here. Gotta say, you did a great job on this video. Interesting, well put together and exciting. Keep it coming!!! Great work.

[@johngeren1053]

Reports immediately after the Corsica crash were that the fuel tank was punctured by a broken chassis tube, not a tree branch.

[@nickpoma9901]

Great video man! I would love to see more rally stuff!

[@captainbarbossa5201]

I personally think that the Delta S4 was too powerful for it's own good (like that one time Jeremy Clarkson tested the Mercedes Brabus SL - it was nigh uncontrollable). Out of the 12 rallies in 1986 (not counting Sanremo for obvious scummy reasons), the 205 T16 E2 hit first place 6 times whereas the Delta S4 hit first place 3 times - the 205 T16 has lower horsepower and was only turbocharged, unlike the twin-turbo S4. Even in Sanremo, Peugeot won the rally but since Lancia said "ThEy HaVe iLlEgAl sIdE SkIrTs !!1!!11!" the win was instead given to Lancia. It wasn't until further investigation when the FIA concluded that Peugeot never even had (edit: illegal side-skirts) side-skirts in the Sanremo rally, let alone any of the other rallies prior - leading to the nullification of the Sanremo results.

[@johngeren1053]

What? You can see the skirts in photos and videos. Peugeot claimed that they were to deflect stones from hitting and damaging the underside - probably not true - and that the skirts were too small to be very effective in providing down force - probably true. At any rate, Paris accepted Peugeot's explanation and restored the San Remo points.That reversal was announced immediately after Alen had won the last rally of the season and thought he had won the Championship, which must have seemed cruel to him.

[@captainbarbossa5201]

@@johngeren1053 If the skirts weren't illegal to begin with, and since they did exist long before the Sanremo rally (not to the illegal extent that Lancia claims), why wasn't Peugeot disqualified earlier in ANY of the other races prior to Sanremo? They were the SAME skirts for the past TEN rallies, and only in Sanremo were they deemed illegal by LANCIA themselves. It wasn't Audi, MG, Ford, Toyota, nor Renault that claimed the skirts illegal, neither did the smaller teams (Citroen, Opel, Porsche, Mazda, Volkswagen, Subaru, Skoda, and Fiat) claim them as illegal. Oh, but it would be too much of a COINCIDENCE that Sanremo was the ONLY ITALIAN course in the 86' championship. It would be too much of a COINCIDENCE that LANCIA is an ITALIAN car brand. It would be too much of a COINCIDENCE that LANCIA was losing to Peugeot BEFORE the Sanremo rally (Peugeot had 141 points vs Lancias 119 points in the past 10 rallies leading up to Sanremo). That's a lot of coincidences against simple side-skirts built to deflect stones from hitting the underside. - Here's another coincidence. Sanremo's chief scrutineer, Lanfranco CANESCHI, inspected a Peugeot 205T16 (Andrea Zanussi's 205T16) in the European Championship's Piancavallo rally stage seven weeks BEFORE Sanremo. After Caneschi's inspection on Zanussi's 205T16 in Piancavallo, he declared the car CLEAN (that includes the "side-skirts"). However, when he was asked why the same car used in Piancavallo was now illegal in Sanremo, he stated that he only checked the brakes and suspension in Piancavallo - which is a lie. The thing about Lanfranco Caneschi is that back in 1981, Caneschi organized a campaign who's purpose was to outlaw the Opel Ascona 400 - the first NON-ITALIAN car that won the Italian Rally Championship (IRC) in 1981. The Opel was successfully excluded in 1982, giving the championship to Ferrari in the Group 4 category. FISA's Technical Commission chief, Gabriele Cadringher (absent from Sanremo; on Formula 1 business), had personally advised Peugeot that the strakes were legal, and rally organisers on every event SINCE March had accepted the legality of the strakes. Peugeot designed the strakes to give protection against sideways impact as the fuel tanks were positioned under the seats in a vulnerable place. Similar to how the Delta S4's fuel tanks were placed, but this time, protected. - Contrary to what you said, the Sanremo points were NOT in-fact RESTORED. Instead, on December 18, 11 days after the end of the Olympus Rally (the final WRC round), the FISA Executive Committee issued the verdict to remove the whole event from the championship that year. This awarded the Makes championship to Peugeot and the Drivers title to Juha Kankkunen, instead of Lancia and Markku Alen respectively. Just to add to all of this, Lancia's team boss (at the time) Cesare Fiorio disagreed that Peugeot's side-skirts were illegal. And to add even more, quoted from Markku Alen himself in an article written by Richard Heseltine, published on "Classic & Sports Car," “I still don’t know the full story of what happened,” admits Alén. “I don’t know if politics came into it, but I never understood why the Sanremo people didn’t let the Peugeots complete the rally and then throw them out. “It made no sense to drop them so late in the rally. By not letting them finish, and with the Peugeot team’s protest then being successful, they couldn’t simply reinstate them in the results. If they had, I might have finished second to Juha and perhaps still have won the title."

[@johngeren1053]

@@captainbarbossa5201 The skirts were intended to tunnel airflow to the extractor under the rear of the Evolution T16. The extractors were removed when ground effects were banned following the Marc Surer crash which occured after Corsica and before San Remo.

[@captainbarbossa5201]

@@johngeren1053 Again, the side skirts that Lancia claimed "illegal" were not the same side-skirts prior to the FIA's rule re-write. IF they were the same side-skirts prior to Surer's crash, then scrutineers in the WRC would deem them illegal. The only time were deemed illegal after Surer's crash was in Sanremo, which were compliant to the new rules.

[@johngeren1053]

@@captainbarbossa5201 "Again"? I don't recall discussing the Surer crash earlier.

[@tastefullynerdy1161]

Bro how did I not find you earlier!? Your stuff is fantastic!

[@captainsmartass3368]

I really hope that Mattel will a makes a Lancia Delta S4 Hot Wheels car. By the way thank you for doing my favourite Rally car

[@Corgman]

Deadly but beautiful

[@archive303]

When do we get the thing we are all waiting for! Peugeot 205 T16!!

[@Whiterabbit124]

Your voice is quite unique. You sound like middle-aged BBC broadcaster. I love it

[@raimonlopez5255]

I love everything about this video Really nice man 🔥🔥

[@giovannieusebi955]

I feel that an interesting rally car to go over would be the Toyota Celica, that removed the plate resrictor. Great video as always

[@ivaneurope]

From what I've watched and heard from this video (or at least my interpertation of it) is that by trying to cut corners when designing the Delta S4, Lancia also inavertedly sealed the fate of the Group B regulations. But Lancia now also had another car in the pipeline ready to conquer Group A in rallying. As for the crowds during Group B's years - the lessons learned from the 1955 Le Mans disaster and the 1961 Italian Grand Prix, which both took the lives of drivers and spectators, were more or less applied only on closed circuit racing. With Group B breeding more or less monsters that could give even Formula 1 cars a run for their money, it was a ticking time bomb anyway and it was only a matter of a time that a disaster like that in Portugal to happen.

[@bowlock9901]

This was a pleasure to watch, your going to do well young man, thanks for the content, earned a sub from me.

[@ThauVictor]

excellent video, congratulations directly from a Brazillian fan of rally

[@kimmoj2570]

Toyotas hottests driver, Juha Kankkunen was released easily from Toyota to Peugeot in late 1985. Ole Andesson just asked that he would return when Toyota have 4 wheel drive car. And actually Kankkunen DID return. Gentlemanly behaviour from all, Andesson, Todt and Kankkunen.

[@Vilphy37]

Ive been waiting for this

[@krono5el]

Shout out to the other kids who grew up with Sega rally Championship on Saturn ripping in the Delta for amazing gaming memories and rally love.

[@deusvult8544]

Aaaaaand…like and subscribe. Great video, mate!

[@R3ddyyg]

I hate what happened to Lancia in the 2000s to this day. "Look how they massacred my boy!"

[@Polly-f7o]

Using the power of decision gives you the capacity to get past any excuse to change any and every part of your life in an instant.

[@Luca-gp1vp]

i rate the correct pronunciation of "lancia"

[@bam_henry]

The four horsemen of Group A (on- and off-tarmac): Lancia Delta, Nissan Skyline GT-R, BMW M3, and Ford Sierra Cosworth

[@jmcst69]

Excellent video. Thank you!

[@RallycrossGT]

awesome video as always!!!! can we have something about Rallycross in the future?

[@egoalter1276]

The most high strung rally car of all time looking like a run of the mill ecobox fits perfectly I'd say.

[@deanthefish314]

Cracking vid 👌🏾

[@BulaMeister]

I can say I've driven many Integrale Evos and each one is just as fun as the last. Haven't gone rallying with them though... I will leave that up to the professionals! That said, everyone should drive an Integrale once in their life!

[@xyq384]

I read an interview of Harri Toivonen a few years ago where he said Lancia believed that there was a problem with the throttle. It was known, that the Delta S4 had problems with trottle pedal stuck open, also Markku Alen had that Problem. I know there is often to read that Henri was a little ill and maybe had a blackout or something like unconcentrated...but maybe the accident was not his fault but technical failure.

[@itslaird]

I love how they regulated the cars more than crowd control

[@jonnywalker3208]

Great video.

[@longtailgt]

Hey mate, I'd like to know what BGMs you used in this video (in particular I really like the one at 16:50).

[@ThorOdinson-zc2kq]

Your glasses are disturbingly hilarious

[@jordanroberson5568]

Audi started pouring more money into and focusing more on GT stuff in the late 80s/early 90s, i.e. DTM. Cause this was around the time that GT style racing was blowing up all over the globe: DTM, JGTC, AVESCO etc.

[@jordanroberson5568]

And eventually putting more stock in Le Mans and later ALMS

[@hallo_welt_ag]

You forgot one bit. Group S had a cap on engine power. Each car had a Limit of 300 horsepower, it had to fit two seats and a closed roof. The Rest was a free-for-all

[@rumpoh8039]

their TYRE BUDGET was LARGER than the entire 6R4 BUDGET per year.

[@skeletorlikespotatoes7846]

More rally please

[@gordonjohnston684]

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see what was going to happen when you race through a tunnels of humanity.

[@cifani3f]

Consiglio di vedere l'intervista di Davide Cironi- Drive Experience fatta a Cesare Fiorio.

[@dirkvoninnsbruck9458]

Its quite interesting that the Fisa did not stop the Formula 1 yet this series killed possibly more drivers than any other car racing series.

[@GeorgeTsiros]

reality: spectators abandoning any sense of self-preservation and literally enclosing a _racecar_ - not a passenger car - during a _race_ , going _as fast as possible_ commentators and others: SUCH A DANGEROUS SPORT, WE MUST STOP IT!

[@lucasl.5084]

Lancia's downfall is kinda sad

[@Conster489]

Your channel has quickly become one of my favourites on the platform, and over the last few weeks ive found myself having worked through your entire backlog of videos. every video is a true passion piece and it shows, making excellent viewing and i really appreciate the research that must go in to every one of the short episodes. i wish you and your channel the best and a healthy growth over the coming year.

[@oblonghas]

the same marketing strategy worked for the impreza lol

[@leejuseop3693]

Can you make a video about Mercedes Benz CLK DTM next?

[@michaelgunning347]

4 cylinder engine code was wrong , the main reason they went 4 cylinder was to push it further bk , behind the steering rack and then lower

[@mtang65]

There’s no way any rally car can compete with the Subaru WRX STI. I’ve seen many STI with oversized mud flaps, front splitter, rear diffuser, vortex generators, a rear wing big as an A380 wing, dual exhaust tips and LED lightings. Man, theses STIs on my street are sick, They out ran my 1991 Toyota at a stop light every time. Lancia got no chance.

[@anhkietduongdo]

I think it's not fair to compare Group B era rally cars to street ricers

[@ReboyGTR]

*Audi Quattro when?*

[@slowerthinker]

Would you say that Lancia had a _plethora_ of issues in the final round 1992? ;oP

[@catalyzcodm8491]

Waiting for the galant or lancer 💯

[@tomba33]

Henri Toivonen 💓

[@MrReese]

It is insane to me that all they took from the group B fiasco was "the cars have too much power". In my opinion the biggest problem was not the power but that spectators were allowed to be barriers for the track and that the tracks themselves basically had zero safety measures. I realize that rallys are not held on a race course, but that shouldn't mean that you send your drivers and the spectators out to die. I also wonder why the car manufacturers invested so much money into their rally programs. I do not recall a time in my life where rally was ever popular in a way that it got huge broadcasting deals like F1 had that would justify such huge investments for a strong commercial effect for those manufacturers.

[@karelkolar3433]

I guess you are like 12-15 years old. Back in the day, no safety measures were taken because it was meant to be a challenge for the driver - avoid the spectators and complete the route as fast as possible. Part of the fun. Why they invested so much? Because they wanted to. Back then, it was a different world compared to todays. No restrictions form the FIA, EU... Just pure competitive spirit. Car manufacturers wanted to prove that theyre the best, that they can build the fastest, most reliable cars. And the world of rally was just the stage for them, to prove that, and to compete with the others.

[@MrReese]

@@karelkolar3433 You threw out a wild statement meant as an accusation as much as for the sole sake of being a nuisance, then you made points that make no sense and it seems that you think that back then everything was better when it clearly was a death trap for drivers and spectators. What a disappointment.

[@egoalter1276]

At the time group B was making mkre money than F1. And yes, safety regulations in basically ecery walk of like were a lot looser. Life was cheaper, the constant impending sense of doom brought on by the cold war probably contributed to that.

[@samisuhonen9815]

Disbanding group B was one of the best things to happen to car enthusiasts, if you really think about it. After it was cancelled, manufacturers had to actually make a decent platform for mass sale. The reason why we had so many absolute units of cars made for drivers, was in big part because rally and racing rules got stricter, bringing the road car and the racing car closer together. Yes, that meant that racing cars got "more boring" and slower, but it also encouraged companies to make more fun versions of their car, in the thousands. Like the BMW M3, Subaru Impreza, Mitsubishi Evo, VW Golf GTI, and many more. It meant that technical developments made for racing, got partially used in the roadcars. And solutions were explored for racing, that could preferably also be used for the cars sold to the masses.

[@kimmoj2570]

Flimsy kevlar tub that spewed gasoline over pilots, lighted by turbo. Thanks Lancia. Henri and Sergio team was fastest driver/co-driver team for ages. There hadnt been faster driver than Henri in world after Bernd Rosemeyer.

[@lancemurdoc6744]

The 037 of 1984 was not unsuccessfull because of the lack of all wheel drive...It was unsuccessfull because Walter Röhrl left Lancia and joined Audi.

[@transcatgirl551]

"wait sainz isn't old enough to ha- oh right"

[@GeorgeTsiros]

if _that car_ was the one that caused trouble and it was due to insufficient safety, why ban _the entire group_ instead of correcting the problems?

[@Rupert-y8y]

The secret code they created made no sense, even to them.

[@markblake4425]

👍Brilliant

[@GrantBattle-w2m]

Lancia 037 was the last championship winning rear wheel drive car an the delta was the most successful rally car of all time

[@sird4vy501]

The S4 can be everything... But the nicest looking.

[@Ziesingracing]

I understand the S4 isn't the best looking car but was made to win not look good Im not trying to start an argument about what's the best looking car

[@traviswalker8933]

​@@Ziesingracingthe Quattro looks better and it won races while doing it.

[@flyingberserker3965]

​@@traviswalker8933a rectangular brick doesnt seem much attractive looks to me, the e2 variant is the exception

[@traviswalker8933]

@@flyingberserker3965 the Quattro hardly looked like a brick. Even the Peugeot 205 looked better than this.

[@IamfoxesK]

if i get a 205 t16 grpb car ill cry

[@bringmeblueskies]

give me the metro 6r4 any day of the week

[@originalforgery]

Interesting video but a few too many inaccuracies. I guess that's down to time....

[@cnoshoes7049]

Four door !!!!

[@pixelnazgul]

The delta is the same beta, but taken to an extreme. They should have gone back.

[@pixelnazgul]

Because Lancia are weekend toys, their reliability doesn't matter. 350Z and BMW e46 GTR were overkill.

[@Tacko14]

Citroën. That’s worth a vid. They’ve done so well with Loeb. And who would’ve thought? I mean, the Xsarah. The what? Rubbish. But it wasn’t, once they’d done their bit. If only the real world car had been 10% as good…

[@automobilistic]

I've covered the Xsara and Loeb previously on the channel :) its linked at the end of this video I believe

[@Tacko14]

@@automobilisticI just found out, gonna watch now. Makes my comment completely redundant, but I’m used to that :)

[@Tacko14]

@@automobilisticoh drat. I’ve already seen it. So much for dementia. Gonna rewatch it, then

[@alanhindmarch4483]

Lancia is a word that makes any one who not only enjoys the world of rallying and motor racing, but is also interested in the world of motor car inversion, ears prick up and listens. It is a magical word “”LANCIA.””