Language vs Vision: What's harder to solve? | Ishan Misra and Lex Fridman

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[@themiddleman781]

Makes sense. If the robot can't see me sneaking up behind it to unplug it then they can't really take over

[@ScottAdair]

Without language, you get instinct.... so for survival this is fine, but for working in groups, creating and transferring knowledge you need something like language or writing. The lack of this leaves room for only better suited designs, more ferocious instincts which at some point are diminishing returns. I don't want AI and robots to be superhumanly fast and reactive but not provide or store anything of use other than genetic algorithms to improve the latter. Even cuneiform in clay tablets stored and transferred knowledge. Advanced AI will integrate both, even if the challenge for us in making computer vision is higher, the value is not as tangible.

[@aiscribe]

I think they'll fundamentally become the same problem. These notions of language and object detection are human and our sensory organs don't operate independently.

[@heathweeks1985]

Right. Think of when language was first being used. It was to convey something we were seeing. Food, Danger, Shelter, etc...

[@raphaeldayan]

I disagree. Many animals developed vision, but only humans developed language. If vision were harder than language, all animals would have language while only smart animals would see. Nature shows us the exact opposite: many animals can see but language is reserved for the few smart animals (mostly humans, though dolphins and chimpanzees demonstrate some language)

[@renansilva3879]

When you're communicating you are make assumptions about what the other might understand and the though the other is trying to pass to you. Some patients who lost the ability to speak coherent sentences were still able to understand what others were saying. Maybe, language is a tool to pass thoughts in ways other could interpretate, but other part of our intelligence is complementary to it? I don't know. I think he refers to language as words only, but separating it from the thought translation our brain does. Vision can be more complex, not because it "requires more intelligence", but because of the whole image processing it needs to get the information right.

[@mkiv175]

Language is way more convoluted than vision.

[@ricefarmerchina169]

I just had the worst lsd Tripp before this

[@Chaosdude341]

whatcha see?

[@akash.deblanq]

When you're awake, share more lol

[@Chaosdude341]

I don't think either are particularly difficult challenges, it's but a matter of organization.

[@icemancometh1188]

What's your iQ if you think none of this is difficult? Lol

[@Chaosdude341]

@@icemancometh1188 IQ =/ self regard lol

[@Chaosdude341]

@@icemancometh1188 I grew up listening to Christopher Hitchens and I am who I am now.

[@icemancometh1188]

@@Chaosdude341 I'm a fan of Hitch too. These are difficult problems though. I was just wondering if you were a bonafide genius lol

[@Chaosdude341]

@@icemancometh1188 self referring polymath. Wbu?

[@roymillsjnr5172]

if you had quantum computers say its one brain and it as,different sub structures to learn, you gave vision as we have it would learn by itself like a baby it would build up its own data base like we do site, language, smells , i always say simplify a problem the universe does 👍