Should Jasper Philipsen be DISQUALIFIED for THIS Sprint? Tour de France 2023 Stage 3

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[@CarlosChavez-ij5ki]

Really Im just glad Wout had the brains to just give up the stage rather than to risk his life. When you are on a sprint, things happen so fast and decisions have to be made in miliseconds. Kudos to Wout for his good reaction.

[@thejudge8892]

Same , it happened in the past where tired Mind is saying go, but other half , break. Not worth it . Btw it was sneaky squeeze , deserve relegation . Gino was not enough guys , for this month ?

[@Zenus_peter]

我感觉Wout只是累了，没力气去争什么了……这是我的看法

[@Tibovl]

​@@antoinedoinellYou don't win if you're dead either...

[@ericallinone7840]

​@@antoinedoinell?

[@July2023Freemusic]

I don’t agree with antithat as it’s up to the rider what to do. I applaud his ability to contain himself, but wouldn’t fault him if he did go for it

[@maxt1617]

It would be good if the UCI applied a rule to themselves: *The barriers must be perfectly straight in the last 100 metres.* And with parrallel red lines superimposed onto the overhead shot, any deviation by the winner of 2+ metres is instant disqualification. Very easy to implement all of this.

[@hansdegroot8549]

The problem is that ASO, the TdF organisation, doesn't follow all the UCI rules. ASO feels/is superior to UCI, because they have more money.

[@boardriderz]

More like 200m at least.

[@edt8660]

Yes great idea have lane lines on the road like the finish of an 800m running race. This way the commissaires can read if cyclists are deviating from their line.

[@bastianpost8673]

I think you are absolutely right, last years with showed that clearer rules and saver finishes are indeed needed

[@JPRidesRoad]

If your goal is to protect the riders, than this should be a DQ every time. He clearly tried to block Wout and like many said, if Wout didn’t let up this could have been disastrous!

[@wraith8323]

Beyond this, the whole world knows this was a cowardly way to win. If this was F1 and you win by forcing your opponent to either crash possibly killing you both or stop racing to avert disaster you have 'won' a hollow victory.

[@AndrewG99]

@@wraith8323 That was Verstappen's whole MO a few years ago lol Not so much now with the best car... Still, agreed.

[@jensz2029]

If your goal is to protect the riders you must not place the finish of a sprint behind a curve. Apart from that, the barriers were not placed properly. The organization is in the wrong more than Philipsen and they realized that.

[@Circletakesthejake]

Agreeeeeed. Don't even like WvA but ya he didn't leave any space

[@karl8805]

​@@wraith8323tell me the penalty perez got this weekend when pushing max on wet grassbat 20pmph... Ill wait

[@katiehirsche1640]

Things like this shouldn't have to be as bad as Jakobson's coma and awful injuries to lead to a disqualification. Van Aert saved himself a lot of injuries by stopping his sprint, and Phillipsen absolutely should have been DQ'ed whether or not this was intentional. Even if it was a tactic not meant to cause Van Aert harm, it's too dangerous to let continue.

[@skylerschwendeman]

Agreed - Philipsen definitely endangered Wout by deviating.

[@sillypuddystl2907]

Agreed. This is why WvA is my favorite rider. He’ll race any time, any course, any conditions. He’s got the power and the brains. Knowing when to pull up on a sprint is another level of road savviness.

[@gregmuon]

There's no way that wasn't intentional. It's a very old dirty trick.

[@craigcarlson4022]

Agree!

[@LisztyLiszt]

@@skylerschwendeman He didn't deviate though. He's following the white line with little deviation and then the barrier suddenly encroaches across the line, which is why he nearly crashes into it himself.

[@cyclingartist6827]

Philipson definitely tried to block him without making it look like a full block. Definite DQ for me. Really sutprised there were no crashes on that finish

[@cedricb17]

It is certainly a debatable sprint. But for me, only 1 side is at fault. And that's not Jasper or Wout, but the ASO. They should take an example from Flanders Classics in terms of safety. Every year there is still a wrong finish in the Tour. At the finish they could improve a lot. Like they use Boplan barriers in Flemish races, for example, which are much stronger, safer and separate the public from the riders much better. Time to make some quick changes there if you ask me! This certainly sets Flanders Classics apart from the ASO in terms of organisation.

[@foldupaudi7645]

Well said Sir❤

[@Lapsontheboy]

you sad it

[@scroobiussvenson7679]

It's as if ASO is looking for controversy... The finish bends to the right so of course Philipsen is is trying to find the shortest way. But look at he white line on the road, there is room until the boarding is placed half a meter into the road. Very dangerous finish indeed.

[@cedricb17]

​@@scroobiussvenson7679 exactly!

[@mongopopable]

100 % agree the tour is a joke on this point, seemling not caring at all for the riders safety. thank god nothing happen. Van Aart did the right thing. IMO Phillipsen should not be disqualified, but the disqualification of Skjelmose yesterday seems like a huge joke comparing to todays sprint.

[@FlotFyr13]

Can't believe the jury spent THAT long and ended up NOT relegating him. Atrocious.

[@frankburn6312]

Because if the relegate him, who would they pick to win the stage?

[@00Visor]

@@frankburn6312 Bauhaus of course. Still unfortunate for Wout, but at least Philipsen isn't rewarded for riding like that.

[@danmorgan7775]

Looks to me like Wout's good sense and bike handling skills are all that kept jasper disaster from relegation. Dont really like these bending spriny finishes though.

[@ExplorinDoranRBrown]

I feel like Philipson did, I didn’t see how badly he deviated when I watched it live from the first angle, but then the replays showed he swerved over to block Wout a ton.

[@lwlwlwwl]

@scpython1 ngl I've seen you on every tdf comment section in YT spamming this lol

[@alvinrisdianto]

@@lwlwlwwl 🤣🤣🤣

[@NeoPayneHK]

you can tell by the reaction from WVA.

[@ilkerg]

Rules are pretty clear about deviation. JP should have been relegated. Wout avoided a nasty crash by not contesting.

[@jhands1988]

It’s not deviation when the road is winding.

[@fanda6122]

2.3.036 "Riders shall be strictly forbidden to deviate from the LANE they selected when launching into the sprint and, in so doing, endangering others.” Jasper launches. Chooses his LANE which is a breadth of road in front of him NOT a narrow line. he then moves incidentally within that lane. if wout was endangered it was by the barrier and he has a responsibility to position himself better within his own lane. insane that people expect these guys to maintain a 10cm line while putting out 1800 watts in the most competitive hectic sprints of the season. it's not the rule. jasper did not make an illegal sweeping move or chop wout. you're mistaken. legal sprint case closed.

[@Penalist]

If there is a bend, the lane is bendy..

[@arandombard1197]

@@fanda6122 Jasper started in the middle of the road and pushed all the way to the barrier to the point that he almost hit it. The whole team as he is moving over, he is push Wout closer and closer to the barrier until Wout has no room. How can Wout 'position himself better' if he has zero room to move? He had his lane next to the barrier, Jasper took a route that cut right up to touching distance of the barrier.

[@Baykbasic]

Wout being so pro. He knew what will happen. He already seen it. Plenty of stage to come, to win. Keef safe! LETS GO JUMBO!!!!!! ♥️♥️🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭

[@MarriedWithBackpacks]

Your channel is such a godsend for me, I can't always watch the race, but this recap is just brilliant. Every year I look forward to it. Nice, clear, well explained and I always get the most important parts. Thanks man!

[@PTP.decorating]

Tough one to call, I like jasper philipsen, but I can see why he was in question. My problem with this is that the kink in the barriers was apparently obscured by the tree, well, from what I can make of it Van Aert was already through that bit before he started slowing down. There's no denying philipsen did come in close to the barrier. Possibly cutting off van Aert, but it looks to me like Van Aert van had already given up when philipsen started moving over. I'd also question whether it was intentional, or whether philipsen was simply trying to keep control and balance whilst sprinting through that turn.

[@ambulowan]

It's not that Jasper changes his line, the barrier goes into the line and is what is changing look at the street markers

[@speedoflite1]

Missed opportunity to reinforce UCI sprinting rules, in being "strictly forbidden to deviate from a selected lane when launching into the sprint and, in so doing, endangering others" and, to punish violators as soon as practicable.

[@stefanrogers2436]

When he starts his sprint he's pretty much in the middle of the lane. He then heads straight for the barriers when he feels Wout next to him. Guys have been DQed for way less.

[@PascalWaanders]

After what has happened with Jakobsen in Poland 2 years ago, things like this should be clear enough. If van Aert had continued his sprint instead of backing out this could have ended in the same way as Jakobsen or worse. Things like this should be punished harder, ban them from the rest of the tour or this kind of behavior will continue throughout the peloton and big crashes with serious consequences will keep happening.

[@dirkwest6378]

Nonsense. Van Aert said in an interview that he trusts the judgment of the Tour organization and wouldn't file a complaint.

[@BurgerTime7441]

The main problem here is that turn at the end. They shouldn't set up the finish immediately following a turn in the road. Phillipson had the lead, and you can't really blame the lead rider for taking the shorter line through a turn. You can't have a turn in a course and then relegate the lead rider for taking the apex line. ETA - I do see that he also went further right after the turn finished. By that point WVA had already let off and dropped back and then JP had clear space to do that without impacting anyone. If WVA was still on his right, he would have crashed and that'd be a big deal.

[@sebastianszalek6345]

If they had gone straight until the finish line, he would have been most likely disqualified. This little bend before the finish line saved him the stage as Van Aert wouldn't have had much space anyway, so we can't be totally sure whether he would have had enough room to sprint for the win.

[@MegaToddski]

Officials got it right, there was still a gap but with JP pulling on the bars so hard they would have locked elbows and both come down hence WVA backing off. The exertion JP was putting out he nearly put himself into the barriers 5m before the line. Another bike race over hundred's of km's again with chicanes and roundabouts in the final. The wonky barriers need to be sorted too.

[@tommahnke]

I think the 'Disaster' earned his nickname on this one. He pushed Wout into the barriers.

[@jakubwierzbicki6219]

It's an another example of the "if the other guy doesn't crash it's acceptable" approach. Then a crash happens and there is a long discussion about what can be done to make the sprints safer... total BS.

[@maxb148]

I think the problem is the barrier come out slightly, i think without this Wout doesnt have to back out but with how the barrier is set out it makes it look like he is being squeezed more than he actually was.

[@jcmac185]

Looks bad on the overhead, but with your head down, he is pretty much following the lines on the road. I would say the organizers caused the crap finish. It’s like they have no clue what is important! Grates, barrier legs, and curved road lines into the barriers…..brilliant!

[@afcajax6]

MvdP was in the Alpecin train the whole time, it was SInkeldam who was on his own in the front (he also has the ex Dutch champion bands on his sleeve),

[@MalcolmTroon]

How much of a bend in the road is necessary to change this argument from "lane deviation" to "if you don't take the apex then you are a chump and will lose"? My point is the applicability of the line deviation rule fails proportionally with the un-straightness of the finish.

[@CP-lh8vm]

Does this not remind us of that horrific crash Fabio Jakobsen suffered in Tour of Poland 2020? Groenewegen pushed Jakobsen to the barrier who was trying to level with him in the side. If Van Aert attempted to accelerate, same could happen to him too. Shoutout to Wout with a clear mind!

[@umutaymakoglu4418]

Pogacar and Philipsen checking out the video is a fantastic Kodak moment.

[@tymanski1]

it kind of made me nauseous

[@vincen12364]

Let's get the barriers straight or in smooth line first. I have a feeling that fans are able to push those around a bit as they are jammed in waiting all day for the finish. There are a couple of places where the barrier has been pushed onto the course. What are the odds of this random tree being in the way of the helicopter shot again. Wasn't it Cavendish and Sagan years back where there was a tree that blocked the view?

[@itszaque]

I feel like I remember Van Aert doing nearly the same thing to Sagan last year in a similar situation. It’s sketchy but it’s hard to say what’s intentional and what isn’t.

[@stevestewart-sturges2159]

Kelly said at the time he thought Philipsen was safe, my mate and I who were watching were of two minds about it, it was a bit of a cheeky move but he was also lucky the the barricades were uneven.. Wout was smart enough to say stuff it, notice he didn't protest or lodge a protest afterward...

[@akatgif]

This is bike racing. This was NOT reckless. Note: Inside the peloton, riders are moving over on each other most of the race. Bicycle racing is a sometimes a contact sport as long as it's not reckless and dangerous. People going soft probably have man-buns 😂

[@ፍሪፕረስ]

I don't understand, they should make safe and wide at atleast enough range for sprinting. Its not fair for WVA. Cycling is messy sometimes

[@Baum17]

At first I thought Philipsen deviated from his line and caused WVA to break but he actually took the fastest line through the bend and only deviated after Wout already stopped sprinting because he got beat through the corner. That win was fair and square.

[@great_live_music]

I don't care about WVA or any other sprinters winning, but your comment is golden BS... Taking the fastest line --> cutting to the right for half of the road entire width... How could you say this is not a deviation? The beginning of JP sprint wasn't covering his right or left (he was in the middle of the road), which seems a big mistake knowing the road was turning right to the finish line. He was poorly placed, and decided that cutting straight to the right was the best way to correct his error (and MVdP's lead out error). He almost crashed himself in the barrier making sure nobody will pass him on the right... The last time we saw such deviation/push on the barriers, Jakobsen ended up in the hospital and almost died...

[@konvictcsgo1871]

Your first thought was right. How do you change you're thought after watching the replay, its obvious JP did a dangerous manouvre, if Wout kept sprinting, it was going to be a mess of injurys, like fabio jacobsen, but we all forget about that i guess

[@Baum17]

@@konvictcsgo1871 They are sprinting through a bend and not on a straight road. The rider who is ahead may take the fastest line through that bend. WVA is trailing Philipsen when they reach the corner of that bend and that is why he has to break and stop sprinting. Only afterwards Philipsen is truly deviating to the barrier but at that point he isn't endangering anyone. If WVA keeps sprinting he is at fault.

[@Baum17]

@@great_live_music You don't understand how sprints work. JP doesn't have to sprint through the bend in the middle of the road. He is allowed to take the fastest line to the finish which in this case means that he may sprint diagonally towards the corner as long as he is in front of WVA.

[@great_live_music]

​@@Baum17 Yet he did it again today on a straight road. He could be considered riding inside the rules limits, but he is dirty as f**k. He knows he is dirty, as he didn't celebrate at all today, knowing his move on FJ was bad... (one of the riders that openly said yesterday that Alpecin acted dangerously during the sprint). Defending him doesn't show that you love the sport, you're just acting like a 14yo fan with a JP poster in his bedroom.

[@borasumer]

100%. How did he get away with this? Wow.

[@SirPrizeMF]

He deviated, should be relegated. But more importantly, whoever thought up this finale, with a sprint around a corner, needs to be relegated from having anything to do with cycling for life.

[@R.Mollerup]

Ewan swayed Groenewegen. I don't actually think i was that bad, but considering the relegation of Skjelmose yesterday, i think he was Ewan was lucky that he didn't suffer the same fate

[@fernandobagnasco7365]

No issues at all. The right hand turn and the barriers made it look like he deviated but he clearly has a clear run to the finish and won the sprint fairly. This is from a huge WVA fan.

[@tj16ramos]

That bend just messed up the stage 3. It's not riders' fault, but organizers' fault, to be honest

[@kamilaliyev]

There is a fierce rivalry in the air between Pogacar and the rest of the Team JV. Poga, a bully so far, was humiliated by the Jumbo guys in 2022. Love spectating their gladiatorial contest though :))

[@Avianthro]

So, everyone's pooped from the first two stages, and it comes down to a sprint finish that has zero impact on the GC? Sprint finishes get riders inured, sometimes ending careers, and give us silly hurt-feelings controversies. Think we could do without sprint finishes?

[@fernandog.aguirre2791]

YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSS! This just opened the door again to support this DANGEROUS situation in the sport of cycling! Authorities waiting on a Roman Circus , again!!!!!

[@Requiredfields2]

I like how Tadej is just hanging around.

[@gregorslana7723]

Not a fan of Wout, but after watching this again, this was a clear disqualification.

[@getplaning]

DQ. Philipsen closed the door on him in the turn, and again on the final straight to the line. Hold your line is the rule.

[@ChromeLuxx]

YES disqualification, the rules AND cycling decorum say hold your line and win by your own merit. Philipsen DID NOT.

[@Medevil9908]

Why are the finish lines allowed to be so close to turns and bends? Is it too hard logistically to move the finish line a few hundred meters forward/backwards?

[@shreddersaurusrex323]

Blame the organizers. They can ban trivial things but they lacked foresight in allowing for a sprint finish with a turn.

[@MrSivilla]

If there is a question, there should be a disqualification. Sprints should by won be power and speed and not by blocking. Imagine a 100m run sprint if there were no lane separations.

[@johnhermens5002]

These Pogi meme thumbnails are killing it.😂

[@deezynar]

Beat your competitors with superior athleticism, not by running them into a wall. Every rider should be told that they will be D.Q.ed if they even get close to pushing another rider off the course or into a barrier.

[@lukass2576]

Here we are one year later and Jasper Philipsen still be pushing van Aert into barricades

[@shyakaprince-bd7hp]

At least birnyam took the jersey 😂

[@warwickpadmore4644]

Sketchy. Philipsen clearly deviated from his path. Disaster was averted because Wout chose safety over valor. All tour sprint stages should finish with a minimum 200 metre straight run to the finish line.

[@Rev-tech_]

I agree apart from mountain/hill finishes as they will be significantly slower

[@JPL454]

*All tour sprint stages

[@warwickpadmore4644]

@@Rev-tech_ Good point. I’ll edit my comment.

[@famousatmidnight15]

The rule allows you to follow the line which means if there is a bend you are allowed to diagonally lean in to the bend. The rule also states no bends in the last 200m but here we are.

[@madyogi6164]

Even more, 350-400... Might be hard to find proper sites though.

[@cheesesandwich1236]

Guilty. He almost put himself into the barriers. He is not some local yokel racer, he is at the very top of the sport, he knows what he is doing.

[@briangoossens1519]

Should relegate whoever thought this was an acceptable finish. And who uses those barriers still in this day and age, embarrassing. Look at the barriers in Flanders classics races.

[@Bryan__X__]

Flanders the heart of cycling.

[@r3drum3k92]

Sponsors and politicians decide on the layout in stead of safety officers, thats for sure practice since the wheel was invented.

[@hoebertrabeck1621]

@@r3drum3k92 once there was a loveparade in duisburg. they wanted to sell more drinks and tried to funnel 1mio people through a 4 lane tunnel. many people died. no one took any responsibility. i was 100m in front of that tunnel and climed the fence to the side. that was the day i lost my believe in humanity.

[@rebeccabertrand3335]

Philipsen is so lucky he kept that win. If you don't start on the barrier and then almost crash yourself on the barrier you've drifted too far my friend

[@THExBLAZEx88]

Idk, it wasn’t philipsens fault the barriers stuck out as far as they did.

[@ernstand1185]

Yep, could’ve been an horrible accident similar to Fabio jakobsens….at those speeds ….

[@joehiatt1992]

@scpython1 YEP,the officials would of hada very hard time doin the right thing,they took the easy way out,and it was wrong.

[@hippo4g93]

“ then crash yourself “ you saw a different race buddy , van art was on his right and another rider could of fit in that space to the barrier ! Did Phillipsen hit a barrier ? Did van art hit the barrier ? What are you saying guy ? Just toxic

[@hippo4g93]

Ya’ll talking like can art literally hit the barrier 😂 , ya’ll sound like a bunch a pre crash with sagan cavendish’s right now

[@schuey999]

If Wout had gone into the fence after the tree, would there have been relegation?

[@yunghoene8753]

yes

[@bene4577]

of course lol they would probably have sent him home

[@IronHorsey3]

Yep, too much outrage then.

[@bene4577]

@scpython1 the rule is not clear, that's the problem

[@SouthernRotors]

Yep

[@scottvessey915]

Good on WvA for realising the danger and letting it go, Philipsen was in the wrong.

[@AshKetchhum]

Yup he definitely did it on purpose to block him he was Gazz, Ewan and Bahrain were catching up.

[@oneeleven9832]

Nonsense

[@kristianflamsted9038]

He was so focused on blocking the inside gap that he nearly crashed himself into the barriers. Wtf?

[@doommonger7784]

@@kristianflamsted9038 WVA can't beat the top sprinters.

[@Velodan1]

By the way did anybody catch Phillipsen commenting afterwards about his left to right deviation. He said this is the Tour, there’s no gifts. Well looks like he got one.

[@samj1185]

No gifts but robbing someone is fine? He tried to slam the door but wasn't in position to do so.

[@koko-lores]

Sounds to me like he got something wrong. It's the tour, which is a bike race. Not a place to put others in unnecessary danger.

[@davidmc105]

So he wants Wout to hold his line, they both go down and take out half the field. Sure, I haven't raced a bike in my life but I don't like seeing half the field taken out by an unfair move. If he wants to close the gate, he needs to be good enough to be a length in front. He wasn't, didn't deserve the win.

[@ChildRebelSoldiers]

Holy shit no! Bad last km and even worse barriers. UCI gotta get their shit straight

[@Shotodore]

Like, literally? :D

[@briangoossens1519]

It's ASO organisation though but yeah you're right.

[@nigelmorris]

🤩👍. Lousy set up of the courses fences. DQ the course design.

[@nassozeebo]

​@@ShotodoreNo... Not literally...

[@huntingsynth]

Bad stage design…all those bends are crazy…truth he impeded Wout

[@kcdutt]

Yes, he was moving into WvA's line. In Wout's view it looked like the opening was being closed by JP. It caused him to back off his sprint. If you follow the barriers (not the road), JP keeps getting closer to them, and his final nudge causes Wout to bail. Should have been relegated. It happens, and I love JP, but these are the moves that need to be stopped.

[@user-vt4hd8hb4v]

The biggest fault here lies on the organisators for putting a curve in the final 200 meters of the sprint imo. Jacobsen never would have deviated like that had he not have to take a turn at full speed.

[@edud]

Not being spatially aware is your fault that could have caused accidents. The barriers are in a straight line but the road and road marking runs in a curve. He looks as if he’s following the marking.

[@alanocarlossur9440]

Peter Sagan would have been kicked from the tour if he had done the same move.

[@scottbaker5851]

Only if it was Cav. Because Cav would have went crying to the officials.

[@UbzUnclemax]

Zzzzzzz ... 6 years later and the Sagan fanboys - cryboys rather - still haven't resolved their childhood trauma. Lately I've had to verify my age through ID verification here on KZbin. Hasn't that been requested to you?

[@youbetu18]

@@UbzUnclemax hahahahahhaha you actually verified your ID to a company that only earns money through selling personal data. how to discredit yourself in one comment. lmao

[@pesahwear]

Philipsen won the stage at the cost of WVA. But WVA win fan’s hearts. He earned my RESPECT. Viva Wout!!!!! ❤❤

[@luisakinaga]

Disqualify, this kind of line should be banned.

[@invisiblescout6335]

Didn't think Philipsen's move was relegation worthy when I saw it on broadcast, but seing this replay I agree this was shady.

[@lvxxviii]

Lol, Niiice, that was clever of you to open with Jonas; that was goood!

[@TheGyldenlove]

How was this any less bad than what Skjelmose and Baggioli got relegated for yesterday?

[@invisiblescout6335]

Philipsen has the excuse of the bend

[@goozerboozer8543]

Indeed. And what about Ewan? Ewan is doing exactly the same as Skjelmose did yesterday.

[@tiagonunes1996]

@@invisiblescout6335 It has no excuse, after the bend he could have rided forward and he kept pushing to the right side like showed on the video, i talked to my friends before the video of LR came out and said the same thing. I'm glad WVA played it safe because this could have been a serious accident if he continued pushing, i think the decision for Philipsen was mantained because Wout wouldn't win either way and because of that Jumbo didn't seem interested in contest. Either way the barriers positioning is shit either way and that's something they need to improve, god bless nothing happened.

[@Stavros_Polymeropoulus]

@@goozerboozer8543yes, actually Ewan had less space and still made the move

[@I_AM_HYDRAA]

what does relegated means sent home?

[@martinhelgren]

Letting this go after the declassification of Skjelmose and Bettiol yesterday seems a bit contradictory. Different rules for different riders...

[@andersbjrnskov8130]

like in F1 😒

[@suckieduckie]

@@andersbjrnskov8130 Yeah stewards in F1 are way harsher on the bottom half of the field. At this point Magnussen getting shown the meatball flag while other drivers are allowed to go on their merry ways has become a meme.

[@cincydooley]

@scpython1 shut. Up.

[@thomasvanpelt2989]

Loads of words for a simple fact: JP starts in the middle, ends up completely in the right... even when Wout stops his legs JP is going farther to the right... JP knew exactly Wout was beside him...

[@eamartinez88]

The rule should be stay in your lane and not a straight line when you start your sprint. If the road curves you should imagine its like a track with lines and you should stay in your lane leaving space for the person on the inside. I agree though the barriers were awful and very jagged.

[@lvxxviii]

Wout is too strong, you cant let him start his sprint lol. That was clean enough.

[@darkenangel101]

Finally some justice for WvA!! Dirty Jasper hold accountable in 2024

[@joewakelin198]

You identified MVDP wrong, he was on the white bike nearer jasper. The one you referred to was sinkledam who also has the ex dutch champ bands.

[@chuckcts-v3460]

If it was Sagan, he would have been sent home.

[@paulevans6403]

Actually the recent Macron-Xi summit was to discuss the details of sending Sagan to prison in China in the event that he swerves off his line in a sprint.

[@ppvc388]

​@@paulevans6403lmao 💀

[@ericsaari2901]

Definitely should have been relegated. He knew Wout was there and aimed for the apex. I think that since Wout was there he has to leave a little room on his right, passing the apex. It's worse after the apex though. He pretty clearly cut into the barriers and almost crashed himself into them, trying to keep Wout out of the inside.

[@adamjd7645]

Your acceptance that he "aimed for the apex" admits he did nothing wrong. WvA tried diving into a closing gap. Lead rider has the right to pick their line into a corner. 🤷‍♂️

[@ericsaari2901]

@@adamjd7645 Yeah he does. I think it's a grey area though, as I don't think you should be able to aim tight to the apex with someone half a wheel on your inside, and be aware of it. It looked like he was aware of Wout before he took that line, but of course he could say he wasn't, and also, the rules are a little ill-defined and let him do that even if he was aware. That's all I meant. That's almost moot though, as I think it was even worse after the apex.

[@morellish]

Started sprint in the middle, ends in the barrier.

[@harmen1832]

The road is not straight and became smaller towards the end. He followed a straight line on a road with 2 bends before the finish

[@morellish]

@@harmen1832 Pause it when he sits up - he is then in the middle measuring between the barriers. Pause when he passes the goal line - he is then next to the barrier. I agree the parkour was difficult when barriers don't follow the road paint but if the rules were enforced he should have been DQ'd.

[@harmen1832]

@@morellish that is also because the finish was narrower than the road before the finish. The barriers move inwards the closer they get to the finish.

[@tommyw197]

It's frustrating because of how obvious the situation is. Whether intentional or not, he deviated from his position on the road enough to negatively affect wva's ability to sprint and jasper almost caused himself to crash because of his deviation into the barriers. Just a bad ruling and it deteriorates the weight of any legitimate ruling in the future.

[@RHelenius]

Let's just have some more near death injuries to make The Tour more exciting...

[@wayneesterhuizen4998]

Unacceptable. Only difference here and the barrier squeeze by Dylan Groenewegen, is that no one got hurt as WvA was wise enough to 'tap-off'!

[@arandombard1197]

Yeah, so many idiots saying that Wout 'had space' and 'gave up' to justify that he wasn't cut off. Did he need to keep sprinting and be pushed into the barrier in order for people to take it seriously? It's like he is being punished for preserving his own safety.

[@thebudtrender]

At 3:59 in the video MVDP actually sits on position 26 on a white Canyon with a white saddle Jasper on his wheel but otherwise I love your videos.Cheers mate.

[@dubidoo8606]

Finally he disqualified today. He did it again with Wout

[@rangapae]

Definitely something going on with the barriers seemingly uneven

[@brianmartindale2221]

I saw that as well

[@apod2020]

I wonder if fans moved the barriers around or something. The barriers didn't seem very smooth.

[@letsgetbusychild]

Phillipsen moved to the right 5 bike widths from the start of his sprint. How is that staying in his lane?

[@sudsehun76]

because the road curves. there's no rule about staying in the lane. it's abt staying in ur racing line.

[@letsgetbusychild]

​@@sudsehun76wrong. 3.2.045 A rider starting the sprint outside the sprinters’ lane may not drop into that lane if it is already occupied by his opponent unless there is a clear cycle-length lead. Also, count the bike widths using the white light as a reference. Watch 6:30-6:50

[@sudsehun76]

@@letsgetbusychild again, u completely missed the point, 'the road curves'. he didn't drop into another lane 'because the road curves'.

[@anttikorttinen4814]

Phillipsen deserved to win. He was faster. Wout made a big gamble with his line. He must seen that curve and the bend on right side of the road. So Wout thought that he could outsprint Jasper and be first in the bend. If so, Jasper needed to go left and take the longer line. In that case Wout could maybe win but he lost the sprint to that bend and backed off. He knew that he had lost. Wout did not even protest so much because he know that his gambe did not pay off. Why did Wout try this? Well, he knows that in straight line sprint he cannot win Jasper and the other real sprinters. Wout is not pure sprinter, so he had to try something else. It did not pay off, Jasper read his game and took the win.

[@ReverzEffect]

​@@sudsehun76 Philipsen starts on the left half of the road & ends next to the right hand barrier. He declared after the finish just took the most straight line to the finish... you're not supposed to ride a straight LINE but a straight LANE. If you start left & finish right you are never staying in your lane, bends or not.

[@jtv3st]

Relegation for sure, but also for the organisers who put up this finish with these bends

[@JobBouwman]

Jasper Philipsen should be disqualified for his idiot diagonal today on 3-7-2024

[@supernovanad8181]

I have no horse in this race but I’ll say that if the UCI and ASO want to prevent another Jakobson tragedy, they need to sanction this kind of riding. It was a clear and deliberate deviation.

[@narmo7989]

He was leading the race and he simply just took the racing line. If there is an S bend that means clipping the apex on the left before clipping the apex on the right. Stupid finish

[@vitalyurbanovich8119]

JP is lucky not to be relegated. He's probably the fastest pure sprinter at the moment but that was too dangerous - luckily WVA showed some maturity at this moment. But the referee's decision could lead to some bad moments at this TDF.

[@samj1185]

Nah... they'll burn the next guy. JF got a gift

[@showlate1]

should have been a penalty for sure. he knew exactlyyyyy what he was doing. remembering groenewegen and jakobsen, this could have ended the same way if wout wasnt thinking about his health!

[@dafsd4831]

Justice done today

[@jasonjohnson9072]

I know it doesn’t matter for Wout because he didn’t win either way, but if the UCI want me to get real about protecting riders then this would be a relegation. He did exactly what Groenewegen did to Jakobsen, Dylan got a year for that because Jakobsen kept sprinting. Sprinters are incentivised to do it because of results like this. The choice is deviate or lose. So the deviate and roll the dice with the UCI officials. On form it’s not a relegation. But that’s because the UCI isn’t consistent in application of the rules. I’m not against Phillipsen here either, he’s only doing what he is being incentivised to do.

[@showlate1]

100% right on that.

[@hoi6170]

If the UCI wants to get real about protecting riders, this parcours shouldn't have been accepted.

[@jasonjohnson9072]

@@hoi6170 he had plenty of chance not to do it. He knew what he was doing. Wasn’t the parkour, it was a calculated decision. You see them do it all the time.

[@dippegalant]

van Aert mentioned after the stage that it was more the spectators hanging over the barrier - and he hit them - that made him stop sprinting than Jakobsen...

[@paulos1111]

Yellow card for Phillipsen and a red card for the organisers. No disqualification, absolutely stupid finish. So at 70kmph+ on a bend, sprint straight... don't follow the lines on the road because they are not perpendicular to the finish line... and ignore the barriers because they are uneven... Well done Wout for dealing with it well.

[@rogerdc7279]

Good job in analyzing the controversy. Looking at the video there is no question that he squized Van Aert, and should have been renegated.

[@davidjanssens4184]

As always the jury is very inconsistent. The day before Skjelmose and Bettiol were relegated, with that logic the same should have happened to Philipsen as what he did for sure was at least equal to Skjelmose and Bettiol. But they real culprits here are ASO for putting an S turn in the last 300 m. of a stage that for sure will end in a bunch sprint and for the UCI to allow such a thing to happen. All those talks about riders safety are a big farce when you allow things like this.

[@davidh8600]

Really bad decision for the riders safety in the future. After the next horrible crash we will be discussing again what has to chance. These decisions have to chance. If the riders know, that they will be dq'ed they won't do thinks like this. Very good analysis👍

[@charlsjourney4480]

did you see it...before JP goes into the finish line when wout stop peddaling..he keeps going into the wout line and he almost into the wall before the line hahaha...now thats a clear dirty tactics....but it is wat it is..🤦

[@threelegstwowheels]

Not just Philipsen but every rider who had the cheek to finish ahead of the GOAT. 🤣🇮🇲🚀